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| 01:14.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | OK, FFS. WLAN scan causes BT HP dropout |
| 01:15.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | every 5 minutes |
| 01:15.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | BUG! |
| 01:17.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | muhaha, N900 changed to local WLAN just this moment. I knew it would be now, since last dropout been 5min ago |
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| 01:49.55 | SpacedOut | Good luck working around that one. That's why I have the auto WLAN scan disabled. Same problem here Motorolla S305 bluetooth headset. Now if someone could figure out why they drop in hands free mode on a voice call when WLAN is off (and stays there), I would like to hear about it. It stops sending/receiving audio completely, not the wlan scanning couple of seconds of glitchy audio then back to normal. |
| 01:52.18 | SpacedOut | DocScrutinizer05: I also get the bluetooth dropout glitchey audio when leaving the access point signal range and it tries to scan for the signal again. |
| 01:56.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 01:56.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | iwlist scan spoils the party |
| 01:57.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | blames friggin coexistence |
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| 04:33.24 | kerio | or lack thereof |
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| 05:32.48 | SpacedOut | No kidding, I learned a while ago it doesn't work to do VoIP over WLAN talking with a bluetooth headset. |
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| 11:58.49 | kerio | heh |
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| 13:09.29 | merlin1991 | this university pcs suck ass, trying to compile pyhton3 I actually managed to have the build process stoped thanks to "cannot allocate memorey" |
| 13:09.52 | merlin1991 | also tpyo day :D |
| 13:14.08 | merlin1991 | omfg some idiot sysadmin decided to configure this systems to run without swap |
| 13:14.09 | merlin1991 | headdesks |
| 13:15.37 | luf | merlin1991: It's very fast :D to OOM ... |
| 13:16.05 | merlin1991 | well every 20 to 60 secs the whole desktop freezes and greys out |
| 13:17.23 | luf | OOM killer do the nice random job :D |
| 13:20.24 | merlin1991 | I just enjoyed a freeze from the time I wrote my last msg till now |
| 13:25.37 | luf | You know. The winter is coming :D Nearly everything freeze in so cold weather. |
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| 13:37.07 | luf | 0086-bluetooth-Remove-reference-to-audio_source_state.patch - it seems N900 doesn't support BT Audio Source from another device :) I'm investigating more. |
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| 13:54.23 | luf | So I'm sure. pulseaudio on N900 doesn't recognize Audio Source via BT :) So without patching PA we can't hear sound on N900 which comes from another BT device. |
| 13:58.14 | freemangordon | toldya :P |
| 13:59.05 | luf | freemangordon: idu (I don't understand) :D |
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| 16:46.56 | Pali | ping romaxa_zzz |
| 16:47.44 | freemangordon | Pali: where are u-boot configs stored? in /etc |
| 16:47.58 | Pali | in include/configs |
| 16:48.17 | freemangordon | :D |
| 16:48.19 | Pali | freemangordon, ah which configs? |
| 16:48.20 | freemangordon | on the device |
| 16:48.34 | freemangordon | .item files |
| 16:48.44 | freemangordon | or whatever the name was |
| 16:48.45 | Pali | if you mean bootmenu item file, they are in /etc/bootmenu.d |
| 16:49.01 | freemangordon | hmm, nothing here |
| 16:49.13 | Pali | yes, default uboot has no config file |
| 16:49.14 | freemangordon | no /etc/bootmenu.d, i flashed recently |
| 16:49.28 | freemangordon | but those on eMMC are intact |
| 16:49.32 | Pali | kernels are installing needed configs |
| 16:49.43 | Pali | on eMMC is generated script |
| 16:49.51 | freemangordon | Pali: I know, i will try to boot ubuntu 12.10 with 3.5.4 |
| 16:49.58 | kerio | luf: how do i disable the nonworking audio stuff in bluez 4.99? |
| 16:50.08 | kerio | btw, everything else works fine |
| 16:50.14 | Pali | ok, just create correct item file and run u-boot-update-bootmenu |
| 16:50.19 | freemangordon | Pali: so, there is no way to restore it. damn :( |
| 16:51.29 | kerio | freemangordon: restore them from your multiple BM backups |
| 16:51.32 | freemangordon | Pali: sorry, what was the command to generate uboot image from xImage? |
| 16:51.35 | kerio | i'm sure you have them |
| 16:51.44 | freemangordon | kerio: on my second device? |
| 16:51.50 | Pali | freemangordon, mkimage |
| 16:51.55 | kerio | yep |
| 16:51.58 | Pali | from zImage |
| 16:52.06 | freemangordon | yeah, zimage |
| 16:52.09 | kerio | because if you care about your data, you make backups |
| 16:52.17 | kerio | if you don't make backups, you don't care about your data |
| 16:52.26 | Pali | see u-boot-update-bootmenu for mkimage params |
| 16:52.32 | freemangordon | ok |
| 16:54.51 | freemangordon | hmm, no mkimage here, wtf? |
| 16:56.07 | freemangordon | the fuck, it ios in extras-devel :( |
| 16:58.14 | luf | kerio: I'm sorry I'm too lazy to search it in archive once again what problem do you have with bluez-4.99 audio? |
| 16:59.03 | kerio | luf: for instance, by default it claims to be an audio sink |
| 16:59.06 | kerio | and it can't be |
| 16:59.36 | kerio | luf: also, can we enable the "input" module by default? |
| 16:59.51 | kerio | idea for CSSU: include extkbd |
| 17:00.28 | luf | kerio: I don't want to disable. I want to support it ;) |
| 17:00.37 | luf | What is input module? |
| 17:00.53 | kerio | luf: HID devices, like keyboards and mouses |
| 17:01.07 | luf | there is hidd daemon in bluez-test |
| 17:01.22 | luf | is it this or something else? |
| 17:01.29 | freemangordon | luf: you should not need hidd |
| 17:01.36 | freemangordon | it is input plugin |
| 17:01.41 | luf | Ok, let me check. |
| 17:01.46 | kerio | luf: in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf there's the "input" plugin listed under DisabledPlugins |
| 17:01.55 | kerio | remove that from the configuration file and it works |
| 17:01.56 | kerio | ish |
| 17:02.05 | kerio | (you need a bit more support to choose keyboard layouts, for instance) |
| 17:02.14 | kerio | (but that's more userland) |
| 17:02.16 | luf | Ahh you want to change defaults ... |
| 17:02.22 | luf | No problem. |
| 17:02.46 | freemangordon | luf: there is |
| 17:02.53 | freemangordon | it is disabled in stock |
| 17:02.58 | luf | Let's change the main.conf as you want (Disable sink and enable input) ;) |
| 17:03.11 | kerio | yes, let us do that! |
| 17:03.16 | kerio | and by us i mean you :3 |
| 17:03.16 | luf | freemangordon: kerio is testing bluez-4.99 |
| 17:03.39 | kerio | right now the only change i made to the config files is that i undisabled the input plugin |
| 17:03.50 | kerio | i might try to disable the audio sink in audio.conf |
| 17:03.59 | kerio | so bluez doesn't LIE TO EVERYONE'S FACE |
| 17:04.04 | kerio | bluez: YOU LIAR |
| 17:04.38 | luf | kerio: come on I'm not even in beta phase so please help me with testing and feel free to change the config. We'll make the default from testing ... |
| 17:04.54 | kerio | freemangordon: what happens if you enable the "input" module without extkbd/extmou? |
| 17:05.10 | luf | kerio: I don't want to disable sink as I want to make it work. |
| 17:05.31 | kerio | luf: you better come up with some kind of UI to allow/deny connections too |
| 17:05.48 | luf | kerio: let's test. It's just plugin like another daemon. It does nearly nothing while only listening. |
| 17:06.01 | luf | kerio: I'm sorry I'm not UI dev. |
| 17:06.07 | kerio | i mean, if you connect a keyboard to it |
| 17:06.40 | luf | kerio: feel free to try ;) I have no clue. |
| 17:06.58 | luf | kerio: and for sure you're good tester of bluez. |
| 17:07.00 | kerio | i'd rather ask the extkbd dude |
| 17:07.11 | kerio | freemangordon: question! |
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| 17:26.08 | luf | freemangordon: why there is problem in enabling bt input or any other plugins - properly tested? It's eating some memory but when not used it can't harm. |
| 17:33.05 | kerio | luf: the issue is that the keyboards you connect aren't properly configured, without a tiny extra piece of software |
| 17:34.38 | luf | So the input plugin should be disabled by default and enable in extkbd post inst trigger (or how is called). |
| 17:36.32 | kerio | that's what happens now :) |
| 17:36.47 | kerio | i wonder if you can just keep it enabled without too many issues |
| 17:38.15 | luf | kerio: user's confusion when connect kbd without extkbd? |
| 17:38.41 | kerio | yeah :c |
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| 18:00.16 | luf | freemangordon: ping |
| 18:00.43 | freemangordon | luf: pong |
| 18:00.57 | luf | Have you compiled pulseaudio? |
| 18:01.15 | freemangordon | yes |
| 18:02.07 | luf | And no problems? Nothing special needed? |
| 18:02.42 | freemangordon | IIRC |
| 18:03.55 | luf | I don't get the meanings of IIRC :) |
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| 18:04.03 | freemangordon | ~iirs |
| 18:04.07 | freemangordon | ~iirc |
| 18:04.07 | infobot | methinks iirc is "if I recall correctly" |
| 18:04.29 | luf | ok, thanks. |
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| 18:29.22 | luf | Just for fun: The fix from commit 8169a6a6c9 exppects A2DP source to be implemented but we do not need it for fremantle. |
| 18:29.56 | luf | So why people want A2DP sink in fremantle when they don't need it? :) |
| 18:43.33 | kerio | wait, what? |
| 18:44.51 | luf | ... one commit log in pulseaudio in fremantle |
| 18:49.34 | merlin1991 | luf: because they can ;) |
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| 19:01.12 | kerio | luf: do we really want to make audio sink work, btw? |
| 19:01.35 | kerio | freemangordon: is there a way to get a "<keyboardname> connected" and a "<keyboardname> disconnected" message? |
| 19:02.43 | luf | kerio: Why not? You have more choices how to handle audio stream. E.g you want N900 as HF for your computer ;) |
| 19:03.55 | kerio | luf: because it's hardly useful, really |
| 19:05.06 | luf | I know user which say this about N900 itself ;) BTW You're not and will not be forced to use it. |
| 19:07.58 | kerio | eeh, that's fair |
| 19:08.10 | Pali | kerio, a lot of (or maybe all) bluetooth headset cannot be used with two hosts at same time (with channel mixing) |
| 19:08.26 | kerio | i doubt there's enough bandwidth, though :s |
| 19:08.30 | Pali | so there is no way how to connect notebook and n900 to one bluetooth headset |
| 19:08.43 | kerio | if you want to do laptop-n900-bt headset |
| 19:08.46 | kerio | (is there?) |
| 19:09.19 | Pali | problem is that I want to use headset for voice/gsm calls (with n900) |
| 19:09.27 | tadzikarp | uh-oh, uboot wants to remove some cssu stuff now |
| 19:09.39 | Pali | kerio, so the only way is to use hsp profile |
| 19:09.40 | tadzikarp | or maybe that's thumb2 |
| 19:09.46 | tadzikarp | freemangordon: ping |
| 19:10.00 | kerio | tadzikarp: make sure you know what you're doing |
| 19:10.02 | Pali | kerio, so using laptop as headset server is not good |
| 19:10.11 | tadzikarp | kerio: I know, I did it before, just never on thumb2 |
| 19:10.18 | kerio | tadzikarp: you MUST use a thumb2-enabled kernel |
| 19:10.20 | kerio | ~2116 |
| 19:10.25 | tadzikarp | aye |
| 19:10.30 | Pali | n900 has good support for autoswitch between hsp and a2dp |
| 19:10.31 | kerio | no, wait |
| 19:10.32 | tadzikarp | I guess that's a no-go for uboot now |
| 19:10.44 | Pali | so is better for headset bluetooth server |
| 19:10.56 | kerio | ~2119 |
| 19:10.56 | infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. |
| 19:11.02 | kerio | tadzikarp: nah, it's still ok |
| 19:11.13 | kerio | but packages will depend on the "kernel-feature-something-errata" package |
| 19:11.22 | kerio | and uboot doesn't provide that |
| 19:11.39 | kerio | you can install a dummy package that provides it, so apt will be happy |
| 19:11.58 | kerio | but you still have to make absolutely sure to use a thumb2-enabled kernel |
| 19:12.38 | tadzikarp | uboot is pretty sensitive about using the stock kernel |
| 19:12.52 | tadzikarp | I'd rather not break my maemo |
| 19:12.55 | kerio | yeah but if you use the stock kernel SHIT WILL BLOW UP |
| 19:13.00 | tadzikarp | exactly |
| 19:13.13 | kerio | so tell uboot to boot with KP51 or KPCSSU |
| 19:13.50 | tadzikarp | thing is uboot conflicts with kernel-power. I should have the -bootimg installed though |
| 19:14.11 | tadzikarp | at which point I no longer satisfy the "know what you're doing" dependency |
| 19:14.22 | kerio | ask Pali about how you're supposed to fix the packages |
| 19:15.01 | tadzik | last time I was asking here about why precisely uboot wants stock kernel everyone yelled at me :) |
| 19:15.03 | kerio | it doesn't |
| 19:15.33 | tadzik | but it has the stock kernel sort of embedded in it, am I wrong? |
| 19:15.35 | Pali | tazdik, are you using my uboot build or same from maemo-extras repo? |
| 19:15.54 | tadzik | Pali: no, only stuff from repos |
| 19:16.14 | tadzik | no hard feelings, it's just convenient :) |
| 19:16.22 | kerio | tadzik: having the stock kernel in a payload doesn't force you to boot from it |
| 19:16.23 | Pali | tadzik, so then I cannot help you... |
| 19:16.31 | tadzik | Pali: yours is the one that supports bootmenu and stuff? |
| 19:16.31 | kerio | in fact, uboot's whole point is to boot with weird kernels |
| 19:16.39 | Pali | yes |
| 19:16.43 | Pali | from talk.maemo.org |
| 19:16.46 | tadzik | right |
| 19:17.09 | tadzik | thing is, if I screw up this bootmenu thing I'll boot from stock kernel and stuff will fuck up because of thumb2 |
| 19:17.18 | tadzik | which'll probably leave me with reflash |
| 19:17.24 | tadzik | is that right? |
| 19:22.01 | kerio | nah, at worst you're left with the reflash of the kernel |
| 19:22.05 | kerio | as in, you'll reflash kernel-cssu |
| 19:22.10 | kerio | or kernel-power :) |
| 19:22.23 | tadzik | but will I have a bootable system? |
| 19:22.33 | tadzik | (now backupmenu hangs the device. Gah) |
| 19:24.11 | tadzik | Pali: I just install your stuff with dpkg -i, no magic? |
| 19:25.01 | Pali | tadzik, yes only dpkg -i |
| 19:25.08 | Pali | but before uninstall other uboot versions |
| 19:25.29 | Pali | if you want to boot other kernels, you need to install bootimg packages |
| 19:25.54 | tadzik | I don't have uboot right now |
| 19:26.15 | tadzik | and kernel-power-bootimg seems to be installed |
| 19:34.32 | tadzik | Pali: okay, stuff Just Works :) Thank you! |
| 19:34.43 | Pali | ok :-) |
| 19:51.21 | tadzik | eh. Is it normal that my phone shows one "black" bootmenu, and then another "white" bootmenu? :F |
| 19:52.33 | kerio | you racist |
| 19:52.59 | tadzik | well, I must say "only the black one actually does something useful" ;) |
| 19:53.24 | luf | you racist :D |
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| 22:45.03 | luf | pali: It's dbus-send form on N900 for initializing HF: http://pastebin.com/eNPvZMbe |
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| 23:16.44 | luf | Good I have sound from notebook on my N900 :D |
| 23:17.41 | luf | Ok it's not ideal as the the sound is "strange" but it's something in module-loopback (I backported something wrong). |
| 23:18.21 | luf | I'll continue later :) |