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| 07:21.47 | kerio | hildon-desktop feature request: a way to disable every transition |
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| 09:45.04 | luf | freemangordon: had you find a time for installing new bluez? I'm just curious :) |
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| 11:17.31 | Lava_Croft | kerio: you can set the duration for transitions very low |
| 11:17.36 | Lava_Croft | making them near-instant |
| 11:18.56 | kerio | near is the keyword here |
| 11:19.00 | kerio | luf: i want to try it! |
| 11:19.02 | kerio | does it work? |
| 11:19.05 | Lava_Croft | kerio: near enough for me |
| 11:19.17 | Lava_Croft | (when i actually liked instant transitions) |
| 11:19.45 | Lava_Croft | kerio: tried the transitions.ini on TMO that says its 'fastest transitions' or whatever? |
| 11:19.47 | kerio | sometimes i see a frame between start and end D: |
| 11:19.53 | kerio | yeah, i'm using that one |
| 11:19.53 | Lava_Croft | well, yeah |
| 11:19.53 | luf | kerio: I hope it works :) |
| 11:19.56 | kerio | it's so smooth :3 |
| 11:20.09 | Lava_Croft | smooth are the Smooth transitions on TMO:) |
| 11:20.18 | Lava_Croft | i really like those |
| 11:20.40 | Lava_Croft | i guess the instant ones save you a little bit of battery life:) |
| 11:20.59 | luf | I used the previous version on my phone with day to day usage and the only problem I faced was with missing battery status (maybe also signal strange) on carkit. |
| 11:21.11 | tadzik | those 'fastest transitions' are nice indeed |
| 11:21.30 | luf | kerio: you can get it from http://merlin1991.at/~luf/bluez/ |
| 11:22.20 | kerio | luf: the thing is, i'm probably not a good tester for those |
| 11:23.05 | kerio | all i use bluetooth for is isync and a2dp/hfp |
| 11:23.25 | luf | You're better than none tester :) |
| 11:23.30 | Lava_Croft | i used BT on N900 for the first time yesterday! :D |
| 11:23.46 | Lava_Croft | to transfer to 2x2 pixel black wallpaper |
| 11:23.58 | luf | Lava_Croft: everyone use it some day for the first time :D |
| 11:23.58 | Lava_Croft | first time in 3 years :) |
| 11:24.21 | Lava_Croft | well, nearly 3 |
| 11:33.56 | kerio | luf: alright, done the second backup for the day |
| 11:34.00 | kerio | going to install the updated packages |
| 11:47.04 | kerio | luf: isync doesn't work |
| 11:47.49 | kerio | ok, toying around with the sync settings worked |
| 11:47.55 | kerio | (i didn't reboot after installing, i only restarted bluetoothd) |
| 11:49.16 | kerio | bt keyboard works |
| 11:49.23 | kerio | (i had to change main.conf again |
| 11:49.30 | kerio | to allow the "input" module to be loaded) |
| 11:49.42 | kerio | luf: bluez works, A++ would z again |
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| 12:15.27 | luf | kerio: what is A++? Does the isync work after reboot? |
| 12:15.40 | kerio | like the ebay ratings |
| 12:16.10 | kerio | hm, lemme try |
| 12:17.32 | kerio | weird, doesn't work |
| 12:17.34 | luf | BTW what is isync exactly? |
| 12:17.55 | luf | kerio: you see, you're good tester ;) |
| 12:18.21 | kerio | deleting the entry in "transfer and sync" makes it work |
| 12:18.40 | kerio | or just retriggering it manually |
| 12:18.43 | kerio | it's weird |
| 12:18.45 | luf | BTW what is isync exactly? |
| 12:18.59 | kerio | os x's sync system |
| 12:19.08 | kerio | (up to snow leopard) |
| 12:19.15 | kerio | (it's bluetooth) |
| 12:19.30 | luf | Hmmm. I have no apple and I'm happy. |
| 12:19.43 | kerio | bluetooth/calendar syncronization |
| 12:19.48 | kerio | via bluetooth syncml |
| 12:20.11 | luf | What version of obexd do you have? |
| 12:21.01 | kerio | 0.46-1maemo3+0cssu2 |
| 12:21.45 | luf | cat /usr/share/dbus-1/services/obexd.service ? I'm interested in Exec line |
| 12:21.57 | luf | and mainly in --noplugin parameter |
| 12:22.09 | kerio | --noplugin=mas |
| 12:22.24 | luf | sdptool browse locat ? |
| 12:22.26 | kerio | Exec=/usr/lib/obex/obexd --nodaemon --noplugin=mas --symlinks --root .obex-root --root-setup /usr/bin/obex-root-setup --capability '!/usr/bin/gen-obex-capability.sh' |
| 12:22.38 | luf | s/locat/local/ |
| 12:22.40 | kerio | mind you, right now it's syncing |
| 12:23.15 | luf | strange ... There should be two syncml server (syncevolution and Nokia's). |
| 12:23.41 | kerio | i don't have syncevolution |
| 12:23.46 | luf | It doesn't work for me and I change --noplugin=mas => --noplugin=mas,syncevolution |
| 12:24.11 | luf | You don't have syncevolution in sdptool browse local? |
| 12:24.24 | luf | Hmmm. strange. |
| 12:24.37 | kerio | it would be weird |
| 12:24.40 | kerio | i don't have syncevolution installed |
| 12:25.03 | luf | I'll check in the sources. |
| 12:25.12 | luf | I think it doesn't matter.. |
| 12:26.29 | kerio | luf: ooh, neat |
| 12:26.32 | kerio | now it's an audio sink too |
| 12:26.43 | kerio | how would that work? |
| 12:26.52 | luf | kerio: ;) |
| 12:27.28 | kerio | not being able to sync is kinda bad tho |
| 12:28.09 | luf | I don't understand how it's possible you don't have SyncML SyncEvolution profile ... |
| 12:28.23 | kerio | i'm reinstalling bluetooth-dun now, hold on |
| 12:28.30 | kerio | luf: why would i have it |
| 12:28.35 | kerio | isn't syncevolution an extra application |
| 12:28.44 | luf | kerio: I think you wrote you're able to sync. |
| 12:28.52 | kerio | yeah but it's flaky as shit |
| 12:29.02 | luf | kerio: because it's obexd plugin and it's enabled by default. |
| 12:30.34 | luf | Can you please upload sdptool browse local to pastebin or somewhere I can take a look? |
| 12:30.45 | kerio | oh ok, now i have OBEX server for SyncML, using SyncEvolution |
| 12:30.49 | kerio | (rebooted) |
| 12:30.58 | luf | kerio: that's the shit :) |
| 12:31.02 | kerio | that's shit |
| 12:31.06 | kerio | how do i disable it? |
| 12:31.45 | luf | as I wrote earlier: /usr/share/dbus-1/services/obexd.service - change: --noplugin=mas,syncevolution |
| 12:32.03 | kerio | and then, reboot? :c |
| 12:32.22 | luf | Or just a user killall obexd and start it manually. |
| 12:32.42 | luf | copy&paste the command from /usr/share/dbus-1/services/obexd.service |
| 12:32.50 | luf | Don't start obexd as root. |
| 12:34.07 | luf | I was surprised few days ago (I tested BT sync betweein two N900) that nobody reports that bug. |
| 12:34.27 | luf | It's also fixed in newer obexd ... |
| 12:37.27 | kerio | well, fuck |
| 12:37.35 | kerio | apparently the isync plugin doesn't work anymore, for some reason |
| 12:40.00 | kerio | hm, i'm getting a "Time out talking AT with channel... channel is now in a bad state" |
| 12:40.03 | luf | kerio: does obexd running? |
| 12:40.53 | kerio | yes |
| 12:41.00 | kerio | but it's not a matter of obexd |
| 12:41.04 | kerio | it should be bluetooth dun |
| 12:41.16 | kerio | ...does obexd want to deal with that too? |
| 12:41.37 | kerio | luf: also, audio sink doesn't work by default |
| 12:41.52 | luf | No. dun isn't touched by obexd. |
| 12:42.21 | kerio | yeah but my syncml always went through the same interface bluetooth dun uses, i think |
| 12:42.25 | kerio | at least, i always had to install it to make it work |
| 12:43.39 | kerio | luf: also, it can't be obexd |
| 12:43.40 | kerio | it worked before the new bluez |
| 12:43.40 | kerio | meh, i'm restoring the system |
| 12:43.43 | luf | kerio: I need logs (also hcidump should help) with bluez-4.99 and also bluez-4.60 (I think you'll downgrade). |
| 12:43.55 | luf | Ugh please some debug. |
| 12:44.00 | luf | I can't fix it without it. |
| 12:44.07 | luf | ~PBAP |
| 12:44.27 | luf | http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PBAP#Troubleshooting |
| 12:45.17 | luf | kerio: I think you want to disable syncevolution plugin from obexd. |
| 12:45.27 | kerio | i *did* |
| 12:45.54 | luf | I have to leave in 10 minutes and I'll be available on Sunday evening :( |
| 12:46.12 | luf | Please try to disable it also after restore. |
| 12:46.32 | kerio | luf: i have a full backup of a configuration that works, right before i installed the new bluez :) |
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| 12:47.54 | luf | I know. I hope we'll try it next time with more time from my time and you'll create debug logs ... |
| 12:47.57 | kerio | i'll try to figure out exactly *what* is going on when i do syncml |
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| 12:49.33 | luf | kerio: bluez debug (4.60) - add "-d" to the bluetoothd start (/etc/event..d/bluetoothd); (4.99) - add "-d '*' " to the bluetoothd start (same file) |
| 12:49.49 | luf | How to enable debug for obexd is written in wiki page. |
| 12:49.55 | luf | bye now |
| 12:50.02 | kerio | wait |
| 12:50.05 | kerio | where are the logs written? |
| 12:50.07 | luf | kerio: thanks for testing ... |
| 12:50.25 | luf | It's in syslog (in PBAP wiki page you find the info) |
| 12:50.31 | kerio | k |
| 12:50.53 | luf | I'm sorry child and her training is waiting for me. I'm sorry. |
| 13:09.40 | kerio | anyway, isync works (even with a new association) with the old bluez |
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| 14:30.47 | kerio | Adeon: contacts are *not* on the sim card, you know |
| 14:31.06 | Adeon | hmm, maybe I was wrong |
| 14:31.11 | Adeon | aren't the phone numbers there? |
| 14:31.28 | kerio | no, they're accessible, but the actual address book is in ~/.rtcom-something/whatever |
| 14:31.35 | kerio | a sqlite3 db |
| 14:31.38 | kerio | or possibly a berkeley db |
| 14:32.01 | kerio | anyway, nokia phones don't have on-sim contacts since... never |
| 14:32.15 | kerio | freemangordon: a new victim, btw |
| 14:32.24 | Adeon | if it is just some file, I'll just transfer them to the computer |
| 14:32.32 | Adeon | it looks like I still can do it |
| 14:32.35 | kerio | aren't you installing it already? |
| 14:32.42 | Adeon | it is not that far yet, I think |
| 14:32.49 | kerio | hm |
| 14:33.09 | kerio | the thing is, installing -thumb is somewhat dangerous |
| 14:33.24 | kerio | you're installing binaries that can't run properly without running the new kernel (that's also flashed) |
| 14:33.36 | kerio | HAM kills everything before installing them, and then reboots |
| 14:33.51 | kerio | doing stuff in between can lead to weird stuff |
| 14:34.12 | kerio | (there's a silicon errata from texas instruments regarding the thumb2 ISA) |
| 14:34.16 | Adeon | I'm at the part where it asks me to do the system upgrade |
| 14:34.24 | kerio | oh |
| 14:34.31 | kerio | then you're still able to cancel it |
| 14:34.45 | Adeon | I'll do the backups now |
| 14:34.53 | Adeon | good thinking |
| 14:35.02 | kerio | i don't get what's wrong with backupmenu, though |
| 14:35.08 | kerio | it makes awesome full backups |
| 14:37.15 | Adeon | that's what I'm installing |
| 14:37.53 | kerio | (note that you'll have to flash the latest stock kernel to restore the backup you'll make right now) |
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| 14:50.23 | freemangordon | kerio: victim? |
| 14:53.31 | Adeon | I did not know my /opt is this big |
| 14:56.51 | kerio | freemangordon: "user", as they call them |
| 14:57.15 | freemangordon | aah :D |
| 14:57.30 | Adeon | the backup is complete |
| 14:57.44 | Adeon | do you think I should transfer it to the computer? are the files in the card safe? |
| 14:58.13 | kerio | the card isn't touched |
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| 14:58.25 | Adeon | okely dokely |
| 14:58.35 | kerio | mydocs isn't touched either |
| 14:58.51 | Adeon | in that case, I'm proceeding with the upgrade |
| 14:58.58 | kerio | Adeon: btw, do you have PR1.3 from nokia right now? |
| 14:59.07 | Adeon | yes |
| 14:59.17 | kerio | alright, proceed |
| 14:59.34 | freemangordon | yep |
| 15:10.55 | kerio | freemangordon: btw, the new bluez has some problems for me :c |
| 15:11.59 | Adeon | I think it has updated now |
| 15:12.36 | Adeon | it rebooted and now I see there are some new features |
| 15:13.23 | kerio | yeah, those come from cssu-testing |
| 15:13.36 | kerio | ah goddammit, i forgot to make you check the free space before and after D: |
| 15:13.52 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 15:13.57 | kerio | (you can't check the tarball, the rootfs is ubifs, which is compressed) |
| 15:14.00 | freemangordon | it would've been good |
| 15:14.14 | kerio | Adeon: restore the backup and do the process again! |
| 15:14.31 | Adeon | but I don't want to |
| 15:14.35 | kerio | ._. |
| 15:14.41 | kerio | so this is how you help the opensource process |
| 15:14.51 | kerio | anyway, uname -a pls |
| 15:15.16 | Adeon | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-cssu3 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jul 28 18:05:05 EDT 2012 armv7l unknown |
| 15:15.23 | kerio | yep |
| 15:15.56 | freemangordon | all is good |
| 15:16.05 | Adeon | I don't see any problems anywhere |
| 15:16.06 | kerio | Adeon: do you have a root shell? |
| 15:16.28 | Adeon | do you mean if I can get one? sure |
| 15:17.03 | kerio | try apt-get autoremove |
| 15:17.06 | kerio | don't remove anything, though |
| 15:17.14 | kerio | you shouldn't get autoremovable packages |
| 15:17.30 | Adeon | hang on, it is updating busybox first |
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| 15:17.38 | kerio | ...wat |
| 15:17.43 | freemangordon | what? |
| 15:17.54 | kerio | aren't you done with the update? |
| 15:17.59 | Adeon | no packages it doens't want to remove |
| 15:18.09 | kerio | or are you talking about busybox-power? |
| 15:18.09 | Adeon | yeah, but it asked me to update busybox just now |
| 15:18.11 | Adeon | so I did |
| 15:18.14 | kerio | oh |
| 15:18.17 | kerio | which busybox? |
| 15:18.22 | Adeon | I didn't look |
| 15:18.23 | Adeon | are there logs? |
| 15:18.24 | kerio | probably the -power one |
| 15:18.31 | kerio | apt-cache policy busybox-power |
| 15:18.42 | freemangordon | Adeon: did you have bb-power installed? |
| 15:19.22 | Adeon | apparently I did |
| 15:19.44 | kerio | neat, so you don't have to reinstall it after upgrading the proper busybox with cssu |
| 15:19.47 | kerio | :D |
| 15:19.59 | kerio | freemangordon: busybox-power is in the thumb repo |
| 15:20.09 | freemangordon | ORLY? |
| 15:20.11 | freemangordon | :P |
| 15:20.15 | kerio | YARLY |
| 15:21.21 | Adeon | does this upgrade contribute to world peace |
| 15:21.26 | kerio | Adeon: most definetely |
| 15:21.33 | freemangordon | massively |
| 15:21.46 | freemangordon | kerio: how big is /usr/lib/libdb.so? |
| 15:21.49 | kerio | freemangordon: btw, you still haven't updated busybox-power in thumb |
| 15:22.03 | freemangordon | I still don have updated source |
| 15:22.06 | freemangordon | *don;t |
| 15:22.11 | kerio | i don't have a libdb.so |
| 15:22.19 | freemangordon | sure you have |
| 15:22.26 | kerio | libdb-4.2.so |
| 15:22.27 | kerio | 815k |
| 15:22.45 | freemangordon | hmm, smashed to 533k |
| 15:22.54 | freemangordon | lets see if it works |
| 15:24.17 | kerio | ~cssu-thumb |
| 15:24.17 | infobot | [cssu-thumb] <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 |
| 15:24.22 | kerio | Adeon: ^ |
| 15:24.49 | kerio | Adeon: also you might want to grab the official leaked flash player 10 |
| 15:24.59 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 15:25.05 | Adeon | I don't think I've ever used flash on this phone |
| 15:25.17 | freemangordon | Adeon: never used microb? |
| 15:25.28 | Adeon | yes, but I've not viewed flashes |
| 15:25.46 | freemangordon | well, if you say so |
| 15:28.03 | Adeon | thank you for your help |
| 15:28.31 | kerio | Adeon: oh, another thing |
| 15:28.39 | Adeon | oh dear |
| 15:28.44 | Adeon | there's more? |
| 15:28.49 | kerio | if you now boot with a kernel without the thumb2 errata workaround, shit will blow up epically |
| 15:29.04 | Adeon | that sounds a rather serious another thing |
| 15:29.06 | kerio | or possibly you'll get some unexpected behaviour and some segfaults |
| 15:29.07 | Adeon | +like |
| 15:29.16 | kerio | so don't boot with a kernel without the thumb2 errata workaround |
| 15:32.08 | kerio | oh, and kernel-cssu is a rebranding of kernel-power |
| 15:32.10 | merlin1991 | kerio: sigill not segfault |
| 15:32.20 | kerio | that's even worse! |
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| 15:46.08 | freemangordon | Pali: ping |
| 15:46.18 | Pali | freemangordon, pong |
| 15:46.36 | freemangordon | Pali: any ARM assembler knowledge? |
| 15:46.42 | Pali | a bit |
| 15:46.52 | freemangordon | I need someone to assure me I grok a piece of code correctly |
| 15:47.28 | Pali | yesterday I rewrote rx51 relocation code in uboot :-) |
| 15:47.33 | Pali | so maybe I can help |
| 15:48.17 | Pali | but uboot started by x-loader (without nolo) still not working... |
| 15:48.24 | freemangordon | http://pastebin.com/j3kBZFBT |
| 15:49.04 | freemangordon | Pali: commented is the old code |
| 15:49.37 | Pali | I do not know syntax of inlined asm in c :-( |
| 15:49.58 | freemangordon | could you verify that new implementation of lock/unlock functions do the same |
| 15:50.01 | freemangordon | aah |
| 15:50.03 | freemangordon | damn |
| 15:50.20 | freemangordon | http://www.ibiblio.org/gferg/ldp/GCC-Inline-Assembly-HOWTO.html#ss5.1 |
| 15:50.25 | freemangordon | :P |
| 15:50.53 | freemangordon | Pali: please, that code is in berkeley db ;) |
| 15:51.15 | freemangordon | (i.e. contacts and email db) |
| 15:52.45 | freemangordon | i'll ask on #maemo too |
| 16:13.42 | kerio | ask in #c |
| 16:15.49 | merlin1991 | oh god, work is fucking with my brain, I automatically read c# instead of #c |
| 16:16.15 | kerio | heh, would c#'s channel be #c#? |
| 16:16.31 | kerio | or possibly #ↄ |
| 17:27.18 | kerio | Adeon: do you feel your n900 is faster? |
| 17:27.27 | Adeon | not really |
| 17:28.22 | kerio | :c |
| 17:28.36 | kerio | freemangordon: we need more dramatic improvements |
| 17:28.41 | Adeon | I'm sorry but it is true; I don't feel it is very different |
| 17:29.00 | Adeon | then again, I did not try to play with it too much |
| 17:29.04 | Adeon | for example, I haven |
| 17:29.07 | Adeon | 't tried the browser yet |
| 17:29.29 | freemangordon | 't? |
| 17:29.37 | freemangordon | aah, haven't |
| 17:29.38 | Adeon | accidental enter |
| 17:29.45 | freemangordon | :) |
| 17:29.54 | kerio | to be fair the browser *is* a dramatic improvement |
| 17:30.00 | kerio | fennec is too, compared to firefox 14 |
| 17:30.05 | kerio | it's actually somewhat usable |
| 17:30.08 | freemangordon | kerio: now way to see improvement with h-d |
| 17:30.17 | freemangordon | *no |
| 17:30.21 | Adeon | I'll try browsing some of the sites I usually do with the browser |
| 17:30.36 | freemangordon | h-d is slow because of the transitions ;) |
| 17:31.46 | Adeon | I can't tell if the browsing is faster |
| 17:32.21 | kerio | goddammit Adeon you could just lie to make us feel better |
| 17:32.51 | Adeon | I could lie and give you false feedback or I could be honest and give you bad, but probably more useful feedback! |
| 17:33.08 | Adeon | then again, I don't use the browser very often |
| 17:33.12 | freemangordon | Adeon: do you have adblock installed? |
| 17:33.15 | Adeon | so I wouldn't notice any improvements easily |
| 17:33.17 | Adeon | I don't |
| 17:33.33 | kerio | freemangordon: i have the css one, that stops flash too |
| 17:33.40 | kerio | adblock plus is seriously heavy |
| 17:33.50 | freemangordon | Adeon: do you have FB account? |
| 17:33.59 | freemangordon | kerio: only the version in repos |
| 17:34.02 | Adeon | yes, but I've never used it from the N900 |
| 17:34.14 | freemangordon | why? |
| 17:34.39 | Adeon | what do you mean |
| 17:34.50 | Adeon | I don't see it necessary |
| 17:35.00 | freemangordon | ok |
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| 18:21.41 | merlin1991 | looks at fallout in council thread and shakes head |
| 18:22.05 | Woody14619 | nods |
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| 20:12.43 | kerio | 'What about the multiple messages that appear in HAM regarding "ignoring wrong version from wrong domain"?' |
| 20:12.48 | kerio | ohohoho, nokia just shat the bed |
| 20:17.11 | merlin1991 | kerio: well apt-worker has the key based domain authority shit, and sine the keys from nokia expired those repos are not "valid" anymore thrustwise |
| 20:17.21 | kerio | yep |
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