| 00:14.05 | merlin1991 | hm new kernel in the debian repos |
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| 00:19.27 | merlin1991 | server rebooted :D |
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| 00:28.10 | merlin1991 | server back up with new kernel |
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| 06:38.12 | freemangordon | luf: you did find the bug in obexd? |
| 06:39.30 | luf | freemangordon: yes. As I disabled mas plugin also syncevolution plugin needs to be disabled (just config) due to bluetooth synchronization. |
| 06:40.12 | luf | freemangordon: the bug I mentioned is in MAP and I finally have stable initial map (this isn't in released obexd). |
| 06:41.20 | freemangordon | great |
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| 08:11.30 | freemangordon | kerio: wanna try thumb cstreamer? |
| 08:11.34 | freemangordon | *gstreamer |
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| 08:37.29 | freemangordon | kerio: if you want to, .debs are here http://merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/cssu-thumb/gstreamer/ |
| 08:37.41 | freemangordon | not tested, so be careful |
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| 08:44.48 | rantom | Hi. Can I ask a quick question about tuning the transitions with/for CSSU? |
| 08:47.29 | tadzik | go ahead |
| 08:48.46 | rantom | Thanks. :) So I just moved back for, now, to my N900 and tried to customize the transitions with CSSU Features/etc. That didn't work that well though (I'm on CSSU-Stable) and I thought what could I use in its place |
| 08:49.24 | rantom | Now I found cssutransitionstuner in packages, that's stuck in -testing, would that be good alternative to use since I already have Theme Customizer isntalled? |
| 08:50.15 | tadzik | huh. I just switched this .ini file somewhere ) |
| 08:50.20 | tadzik | never used any tool for that |
| 08:51.14 | rantom | Heh, ok |
| 08:51.33 | tadzik | I don't change the transitions every few hours, so that seems sensible |
| 08:51.56 | tadzik | freemangordon: actually, I can try this gstreamer |
| 08:52.01 | rantom | Yeah, it'll be once the settings are complete |
| 08:52.15 | tadzik | freemangordon: just download it all and dpkg -i it? |
| 08:52.23 | rantom | Just curious overall is there a reason not to use cssutransitionstuner |
| 08:52.29 | rantom | e.g. incompatibility |
| 08:52.44 | rantom | (which would be a bit ironic considering the name :) |
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| 09:37.10 | luf | Is here someone with tracker knowledge? I need to understand what part of query means: |
| 09:37.12 | luf | " FILTER (!BOUND(?msg)) " |
| 09:38.31 | luf | Does MAP message listing in /, /telecom, /telecom/msg returns some/all/none messages? |
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| 10:28.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | luf: ?? I fthat's what I think it is, you should read about sparQL |
| 10:44.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess it means there's a filter on a table, to return all records where the field 'msg' is NOT bound to any data |
| 10:46.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | luf: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#func-bound |
| 10:48.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | luf: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#tests |
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| 11:06.13 | rantom | But thanks |
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| 11:15.18 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: yeah that's it. Thanks. |
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| 12:13.39 | kerio | freemangordon: not now, but i'll try it later |
| 12:14.14 | kerio | i'm at the uni, no easy way to recover |
| 12:14.22 | freemangordon | aah, I see |
| 12:14.41 | luf | kerio: just ask the blond girl she'll help you ;) |
| 12:14.47 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 12:14.55 | kerio | haha |
| 12:15.08 | freemangordon | kerio: better ask wise, not blone one :P |
| 12:15.16 | freemangordon | *blond |
| 12:32.42 | luf | Ugh obexd patch againist orig grow from 130kB to 400kB :D |
| 12:48.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | luf: honestly, SPARQL is such a braindamaged crap |
| 12:50.18 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: true :) |
| 12:51.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | where in a decent language I'd define a condition like NOT ISEMPTY(data-element), in SPARQL I need a mindfsckng OPTIONAL { ?x dc:date ?date } . FILTER (!bound(?date)) |
| 12:52.41 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: :D that's the reason I don't want study such crapy language. |
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| 12:57.26 | luf | Wow. I finished initial MAP support for obexd. I'll upload it to the git and announce on the TMO. |
| 12:57.41 | luf | Is someone here interested to test it? :) |
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| 12:59.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not know how to test it |
| 13:00.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | for fun, figure how to literally transcode OPTIONAL { ?x dc:date ?date } . FILTER (!bound(?date)) to SQL ;-D |
| 13:00.55 | luf | I'm still a little bit normal :D |
| 13:03.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | select a.x a.y from mytab as a, b.x b.z mytab as b where notempty(b.z) and b.x = a.x |
| 13:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | somthing like that |
| 13:04.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/not// |
| 13:05.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | OPTIONAL --- pfffffbwahaha |
| 13:06.02 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: do you want to kill as? Or just kill out brains? :D |
| 13:06.12 | luf | s/as/us/ |
| 13:06.26 | luf | s/out/our/ |
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| 13:07.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know whom to kill: the one who invented that SPARQL shit |
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| 13:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could bet it's been a math graduate with second study CS who never wrote a decent working program before he finished his math study |
| 13:13.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | during his first semester of CS |
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| 13:54.01 | m0shbear | DocScrutinizer05: here's a question |
| 13:54.16 | m0shbear | wtf happened to just using ye olde sql for that kind of domain? |
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| 14:08.28 | luf | ok, new obexd is in git and also merlin1991.at :) I'll announce it on TMO in the evening or tomorrow. I need to fix dependency for librtcom-eventlogger1-async and rtcom-eventlogger-async. |
| 14:09.06 | luf | freemangordon: I think I'll take a look on bluez upgrade tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. |
| 14:09.12 | freemangordon | good, now you're back to BT :P |
| 14:09.34 | luf | freemangordon: :D as you wish :D |
| 14:09.35 | freemangordon | luf: don't forget my re-packaging ;) |
| 14:09.44 | freemangordon | :D:D:D |
| 14:10.08 | luf | Sure it's the first point. I want to learn because it should be interesting also for obexd package ;) |
| 14:10.12 | luf | I have to leave now. Bye. |
| 14:11.29 | merlin1991 | what did I think when I set up that domain? |
| 14:11.46 | merlin1991 | I kinda missed the point of unintentional highlights on irc :D |
| 14:29.56 | m0shbear | merlin1991: it's to troll those with op status in order to get /kicked :P |
| 14:31.21 | merlin1991 | hehe |
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| 14:52.40 | kerio | freemangordon: ok, i'm at home |
| 14:52.43 | kerio | what should i test and how |
| 14:52.53 | kerio | actually first i gotta poop |
| 14:53.05 | kerio | but i have a laptop, so don't worry |
| 14:57.03 | kerio | freemangordon: that's a lot of debs D: |
| 14:57.13 | kerio | also the versions aren't +thumb |
| 15:01.03 | m0shbear | i wonder how well-optimized mednafen's and desmume's virtualizations are, in order to avoid as much arm->arm translation as possible |
| 15:01.44 | m0shbear | since a ds is pretty much an arm965e and gba an arm7tdmi with a few peripheral fancinesses |
| 15:09.55 | freemangordon | kerio: yes, no -thumb in version, but that should not be a problem |
| 15:10.18 | kerio | it IS >:C |
| 15:10.28 | freemangordon | I thoink you have all, but gstreamer0.10-tools installed |
| 15:10.59 | freemangordon | kerio: not, it is not, if everything is OK, +thumb version will come with next -pr thing |
| 15:11.15 | kerio | link again? |
| 15:11.32 | freemangordon | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.12 | freemangordon | is on his way home |
| 15:12.57 | kerio | freemangordon: how do i test if everything is working fine? |
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| 15:44.06 | kerio | freemangordon: *poke* |
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| 15:50.00 | kerio | freemangordon: this is srsly weird, half of those packages don't even exist |
| 15:55.47 | freemangordon | kerio: ? |
| 15:55.55 | freemangordon | for dure they do |
| 15:56.00 | freemangordon | *sure |
| 15:56.04 | kerio | freemangordon: gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-extra doesn't exist |
| 15:56.17 | freemangordon | where? |
| 15:56.55 | kerio | actually no |
| 15:57.01 | kerio | gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-extra doesn't exist |
| 15:57.11 | kerio | anywhere |
| 15:57.14 | kerio | it's not in the nokia repos |
| 15:57.17 | kerio | it's not in extras-devel |
| 15:58.37 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 16:00.22 | kerio | also, should i install stuff like gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-extra? |
| 16:00.24 | kerio | it's not installed now |
| 16:00.46 | freemangordon | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5463 |
| 16:00.49 | povbot | Bug 5463: Provide gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-extra (for gdppay or gdpdepay) |
| 16:00.52 | freemangordon | WTF?!? |
| 16:01.19 | kerio | WTF indeed |
| 16:02.19 | freemangordon | well, you may want to not install it |
| 16:02.44 | freemangordon | though it contains libgstgdp.so and libgstpango.so |
| 16:02.54 | freemangordon | whatever those are used for |
| 16:05.37 | freemangordon | kerio: it is to construct gstreamer pipeline over a network :D |
| 16:05.50 | kerio | neat |
| 16:06.43 | kerio | freemangordon: what are you going to add to the mp? |
| 16:07.27 | freemangordon | only what is in stock, but will leave that extra package on the repo too (no option actually, because of the .changes file) |
| 16:07.44 | kerio | i see |
| 16:07.53 | kerio | anyway, i'm actually not going to test it >:D |
| 16:08.04 | freemangordon | which one? |
| 16:08.08 | kerio | neither |
| 16:08.17 | kerio | s/neither/none/ |
| 16:08.21 | freemangordon | up to you |
| 16:08.30 | kerio | do you actually need me to test it? |
| 16:08.36 | freemangordon | no |
| 16:08.38 | kerio | i don't want to copypaste a bunch of URLs :( |
| 16:10.08 | freemangordon | i'll install it on my primary device for couple of days |
| 16:10.20 | freemangordon | s/it/them/ |
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| 16:21.42 | kerio | Pali: sup |
| 16:21.50 | kerio | there could be a kernel patch for you |
| 16:21.58 | kerio | freemangordon: what's the unaligned access thing again? |
| 16:22.00 | Pali | where? |
| 16:22.07 | Pali | what? |
| 16:22.37 | kerio | Pali: unaligned memory access is trapped in old kernels, but more recent ones let that slide on arm 6+ |
| 16:25.58 | kerio | Pali: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commit;h=8428e84d42179c2a00f5f6450866e70d802d1d05 |
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| 16:42.54 | freemangordon | well, all of the videos i have here still play, camera works, the music plays, so I assume gstreamer-thumb is ok for the next update |
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| 16:49.11 | kerio | yay |
| 16:49.13 | kerio | is it faster? |
| 16:49.24 | kerio | also yay gcc4.7 for mp3 |
| 16:50.59 | freemangordon | faster? how to check that? |
| 16:51.10 | freemangordon | unfortunately mp3 is nokia :( |
| 16:51.23 | kerio | ...wtf |
| 16:51.23 | kerio | why? |
| 16:51.27 | kerio | it's fukken gstreamer |
| 16:51.30 | freemangordon | no idea |
| 16:51.37 | kerio | well fix it |
| 16:51.49 | freemangordon | libgstnokiamp3dec.so |
| 16:52.43 | freemangordon | package gstreamer0.10-nokia-speech |
| 16:52.52 | kerio | that's bullshit and we both know it |
| 16:52.56 | kerio | fix it |
| 16:53.00 | kerio | please ;_; |
| 16:54.34 | freemangordon | unfortunately the parts that will benefit the most from using gcc4.7.2 are closed source - pulseaudio nokia plugin and gst mp3 decoder :( |
| 16:55.15 | freemangordon | curse Nokia for that |
| 16:58.38 | freemangordon | there are FOSS mp3 decoders, but those are out of the scope of CSSU-thumb :P |
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| 17:00.25 | freemangordon | btw did it come clear why tracker update screwed flac and ogg? |
| 17:00.30 | tadzik | freemangordon: why out of scope? |
| 17:00.56 | freemangordon | tadzik: as I am not going to reinvent maemo5 |
| 17:01.28 | tadzik | I see |
| 17:01.55 | freemangordon | feel free to pester merlin1991 and chem|st to add foss mp3 codec replacement in CSSU-T/S, -thumb will follow shortly :) |
| 17:02.51 | ShadowJK | iirc kulve already tested ffmpeg's mp3 and vorbis decoder back in 09 or 10, and performance was good |
| 17:03.39 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: hmm, I remember something about that. |
| 17:04.07 | freemangordon | And I suspect it will be much better when optimized with gcc 4.7.2 |
| 17:04.24 | freemangordon | but please, understand that I am the only one working on that |
| 17:04.51 | ShadowJK | Also ffmpeg/libav itself will have improved since then |
| 17:06.49 | ShadowJK | I'd also claim that current perf is "good enough" |
| 17:07.26 | ShadowJK | and that the difference in battery life measured back then came probably mostly from different wakeup behaviour rather than cpuseconds used |
| 17:13.48 | kerio | ShadowJK: idk, there's a *big* difference between gcc 4.2 and 4.7-linaro |
| 17:13.59 | kerio | optimizers are black magic |
| 17:16.16 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: did you see the comparison in openssl benchmarks? |
| 17:17.07 | freemangordon | the one compiled with gcc4.7.2 is about 2 times faster for some algos |
| 17:18.17 | freemangordon | btw does anyone know if sshd uses openssl? |
| 17:18.34 | kerio | i'd guess it does |
| 17:18.47 | kerio | actually no, maybe not |
| 17:19.06 | kerio | yes it does, it uses libcrypto |
| 17:19.45 | freemangordon | as i've never seen winscp copying a file with > 1MB/s speed. until an hour ago :D |
| 17:20.16 | m0shbear | kerio: less black magic than tons of program analysis math |
| 17:20.35 | m0shbear | they're becoming as advanced as decompilers, if not at that level, imo |
| 17:21.59 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: http://pastebin.com/Bpdt8nr7 |
| 17:24.18 | ShadowJK | is that in cssu thumb? |
| 17:24.24 | freemangordon | yes |
| 17:24.47 | freemangordon | device not overclocked |
| 17:24.51 | kerio | freemangordon: i wonder how much of that is thumb and how much is gcc 4.7 |
| 17:25.05 | freemangordon | it is deffinitely gcc |
| 17:25.45 | freemangordon | though AFAIK thumb2 allows compiler to schedule more effectively |
| 17:28.35 | freemangordon | wonders is it a good idea to recompile the kernel with gcc4.7 |
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| 17:31.29 | kerio | do it |
| 17:31.30 | kerio | i dare you |
| 17:32.30 | freemangordon | hehe. I already used 4.6.2 with meego kernel back in the days I was playing with ubuntu 12.04. it was ok |
| 17:36.12 | ShadowJK | is thumb kernel possible? |
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| 17:39.16 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: I didn't mean thumb-compiled, but gcc4.7 compiled |
| 17:39.37 | freemangordon | AFAIK our kernel is too old to be compiled with thumb2 |
| 17:40.23 | freemangordon | too many patches are missing |
| 17:40.29 | ShadowJK | Yeah I know you meant normal |
| 17:40.49 | freemangordon | otherwise even meego kernel can be thumb2-compiled |
| 17:40.57 | freemangordon | (iirc) |
| 17:43.02 | freemangordon | though I cannot imagine what would benefit from gcc4.7 besides filesystems(maybe). |
| 17:44.19 | kerio | ...everything? |
| 17:44.19 | kerio | idk |
| 17:51.34 | ShadowJK | That's why I asked about thumb, smaller codesize could benefit cpu cache etc :) |
| 18:04.08 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: yeah, but it is too much of a backporting :( |
| 18:21.22 | kerio | freemangordon: hm, why won't it compile with -mthumb? |
| 18:26.37 | ShadowJK | noticed sys cpu use was 20% playing video, but i guess that's mostly shuffling data back and forth |
| 18:27.29 | freemangordon | kerio: it will compile, but it won't work |
| 18:27.33 | kerio | why? :o |
| 18:28.38 | freemangordon | because of things like signal/exception handling and generation. MPU/FPU context, etc,etc |
| 18:30.07 | kerio | hm |
| 18:30.21 | kerio | well, it's time we got an up-to-date kernel anyway ;) |
| 18:30.45 | freemangordon | well, I agree, when are you going to release it? |
| 18:31.06 | kerio | tomorrow |
| 18:31.09 | kerio | if nothing else comes up |
| 18:31.18 | freemangordon | good, i'll wait for it |
| 18:32.13 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: it is your DSP that decodes it then :) |
| 18:34.26 | freemangordon | though most of those those 20% are most probably used by PA, there is only one large memcpy happening - from GST_BUFFER to framebuffer |
| 18:46.55 | ShadowJK | i didnt think pa used any measurable amounts of sys |
| 18:47.40 | ShadowJK | wonders if a2dp encoder is closed sauce |
| 18:48.14 | kerio | ShadowJK: it is |
| 18:48.19 | kerio | in the sense that you can't recompile a physical chip |
| 18:48.57 | kerio | until 3d printers become much better, at least |
| 19:23.11 | ShadowJK | uh |
| 19:23.35 | ShadowJK | I thought the a2dp encoder was software |
| 19:23.35 | ShadowJK | sbc or whatever the codec is called |
| 19:25.32 | kerio | there's not much change in cpu usage between audio through cordful headphones and bt headphones |
| 19:27.17 | ShadowJK | oh? I've got like 40% use with bt headphones |
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