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| 08:38.26 | fw190 | after yesterdays struggle I finnally coming to terms with openSuse and must admitt it feels good ;) |
| 08:38.53 | fw190 | have to switch to no unity system but it is fast and stable |
| 08:39.05 | fw190 | DocScrutinizer - once again thanks |
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| 10:09.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | fw190: yw |
| 10:09.36 | fw190 | especialy the kadesu thing is usefull :) and ofcourse q and h ahahahahah |
| 10:09.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | KDE-su |
| 10:10.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | kdesu |
| 10:10.28 | fw190 | yes yes typo from me as usual |
| 10:15.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | fw190: btw you know you can select the desktop (KDE, LXDE...) in login screen? |
| 10:15.40 | fw190 | a saw something |
| 10:15.52 | fw190 | but decided to stick with kde for a while |
| 10:15.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 10:15.58 | fw190 | to check how it looks |
| 10:16.13 | fw190 | but lxde is always a solution |
| 10:16.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I need heavy tweaks to KDE theme, to make it usable for me |
| 10:17.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. I have a dedicated window-bar on top of screen |
| 10:21.15 | fw190 | hmmm but i thought that the point of suse is KDE |
| 10:21.31 | fw190 | if I would like to have lxde I could stick with lubuntu |
| 10:22.18 | kerio | k ~desu |
| 10:22.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could think of KDE as a point for Suse |
| 10:23.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | but actually Suse point is Yast and commercial maintenance |
| 10:23.49 | fw190 | hmmm that is a point |
| 10:23.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | once they even had Gnome as default desktop (around Suse-8 iirc) |
| 10:24.05 | fw190 | well I will check lxde then |
| 10:24.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | then switched back to KDE as default |
| 10:24.14 | fw190 | just to be sure what I want |
| 10:24.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | good plan |
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| 10:33.04 | chem|st | o.O suse kde... the devil in disguise |
| 10:38.46 | kerio | haha |
| 10:43.55 | fw190 | chem|st: it isn't that bad - since yesterday working al day long no problems oposite to Ubuntu Unity ;) |
| 10:51.06 | chem|st | fw190: my 5 debian systems have no issues... |
| 10:52.03 | chem|st | debian based... |
| 10:52.13 | chem|st | but no ubuntu |
| 10:52.32 | chem|st | make it 6... I believe my TV is a debian fork as well |
| 10:53.17 | fw190 | well merlin1991 pointes soem problems with laptop graphic cards as I recall |
| 10:55.27 | fw190 | damn typos again |
| 10:55.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | such things like gfx drivers are usually straight from upstream and thus basically identical on all distros |
| 10:56.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | some distros do a better job in their installer, to actually set the driver up in a correct way |
| 10:56.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | some don't |
| 10:57.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | in that regard suse might not be top of the bunch |
| 10:57.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | allegedly fedora is better |
| 10:58.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I pretty much hate fedory UI |
| 10:58.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | UX |
| 10:58.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever |
| 10:58.12 | fw190 | DocScrutinizer: Suse dicovered my partitions from Ubuntu and left home intact will that happen with other distros to? |
| 10:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and they have no yast |
| 10:58.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno |
| 10:58.45 | fw190 | this gave Suse a big plus from me |
| 10:59.02 | fw190 | 3h of copying files would hurt |
| 10:59.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's genuine installer stuff, and will differ massively from distro to distro |
| 11:00.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have to admit I rarely ever installed anything but Suse |
| 11:01.08 | kerio | "left home intact" what? |
| 11:01.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | just *used* other systems with ready installed distro |
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| 11:02.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: suse installer detects pretty much all existing partitions, analyzes them, and creates a sensible partitioning and mounting suggestion based on that analysis |
| 11:02.28 | fw190 | kerio: didn't wipe that wjile partitioning |
| 11:02.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: mounting another install's /home? D: |
| 11:02.54 | fw190 | so I didn't have to partition it by myself |
| 11:03.25 | fw190 | probably manulay partitionig would allow to have home intact on other distros but this can be tricky for unexperienced people lik eme |
| 11:04.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | fw190: yast installer/partitioner will help even unexperienced users to tweak partitioning to whatever they like |
| 11:04.43 | fw190 | hmmm didn't dare to try it but I gave it a look just to see what that was |
| 11:04.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can accept the suggestion of the installer, modify it, or create a whole new partitoning scheme |
| 11:05.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | it won't destroy anything until you finally hit the "ACCEPT" button on the big warning screen. So you can ply with it all you like |
| 11:05.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | play |
| 11:09.10 | fw190 | debian was my second choice after suse |
| 11:09.18 | fw190 | and I would use lxde on it |
| 11:09.35 | fw190 | so probably no difference for me if I would use lxde on suse |
| 11:15.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | as mentioned before, debian probably comes without yast |
| 11:17.48 | kerio | yep |
| 11:17.50 | fw190 | yes yes I thought about the generall daily use when everything is tweaked and set up |
| 11:17.50 | kerio | it also comes with apt |
| 11:17.52 | kerio | which is better |
| 11:18.37 | fw190 | kerio: doesn't suse have something similar |
| 11:18.49 | kerio | yast, yes |
| 11:18.53 | kerio | but it's not apt |
| 11:19.04 | kerio | so it's definetely awful |
| 11:20.43 | fw190 | kerio: so why apt is better? just out of curiosity |
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| 11:21.01 | kerio | fanboyism, mostly |
| 11:23.05 | fw190 | kerio: I understand ;) |
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| 11:53.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | misguided fanboyism, since Yast is a GUI tool as well as cmdline, and it's using yum, which in itself is probably just as good as apt |
| 11:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably even beetr, since it can do search *and* install |
| 11:58.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | but actually I'd not be surprised if you wouldn't notice it when I'd symlink apt-cache and apt-search to yum binary, and you would accept output of apt-cache search XY as the true thing while it's in fact yum |
| 11:59.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops, s/yum/zypper/ |
| 12:01.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yum was on my centOS server, same thing basically |
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| 12:05.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://pastebin.ca/2215192 http://pastebin.ca/2215193 |
| 12:07.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: look at zypper (2nd URL) and wheep over your apt crap |
| 12:07.30 | kerio | why does it have a command to change config files? D: |
| 12:07.42 | kerio | my repos are in a text file! |
| 12:07.50 | kerio | this is blasphemy! |
| 12:07.53 | kerio | this is madness! |
| 12:14.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://de.opensuse.org/YaST_Module_Software-Management and THAT is yast, you obviously can't compare it to apt at all |
| 12:16.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | (actually just yast's software-management component) |
| 12:16.51 | fw190 | kerio: this is Sparta hahhahha |
| 12:17.15 | kerio | i see a lot of german |
| 12:17.20 | kerio | i do not speak german |
| 12:17.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I could advice you to install yast to see the screens in english |
| 12:17.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 12:18.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I couldn't find a webpage with english screenshots |
| 12:22.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://rajkov-blog.blogspot.de/ >>Apper<< well, I'm obviously old school linux nerd that wants to deal with computer, not "simply install stuff" |
| 12:22.56 | kerio | wat |
| 12:30.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | read blog and you'll understand |
| 12:32.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | bottom line: recently they replaced/accompanied yast-sw-management with some dead silly app called "Apper" that does behave pretty much as simple (and stupid) as you'd probably find on most other distros |
| 12:32.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | "too meet changed expectations of recent new generation of computer illiterates" |
| 12:38.43 | fw190 | DocScrutinizer05: and this is ok if you look from a point off view from people like me |
| 12:39.08 | fw190 | but the system should also have something under the hood for people with more advanced skills |
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| 15:26.24 | marmistrz | merlin1991: ping |
| 15:26.52 | merlin1991 | marmistrz: pong |
| 15:27.04 | marmistrz | so what are we doing with sqlite3? |
| 15:27.12 | merlin1991 | ofc including :) |
| 15:27.28 | marmistrz | ;) |
| 15:27.46 | marmistrz | yeah, but you said we need to find out the details |
| 15:27.56 | merlin1991 | yeah, ie where is your codedrop :P |
| 15:29.15 | marmistrz | source, you mean? |
| 15:29.24 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 15:29.45 | marmistrz | http://marmistrz.net63.net/meecolay/sqlite3/ |
| 15:37.07 | marmistrz | is anything else needed? |
| 15:41.09 | merlin1991 | did you modify the harmattan packaging in any way, or just ran a compile of it? |
| 15:42.47 | marmistrz | I might've modified the build depends to work with the sdk |
| 15:43.05 | marmistrz | and no debian/rules or src modifying. |
| 15:44.02 | merlin1991 | hm what is lemon? |
| 15:46.41 | merlin1991 | hm they seem to be fairly similar, okay I'll look into including it |
| 15:47.01 | merlin1991 | can we count on you to check if something breaks thanks to updated sqlite3? |
| 15:47.52 | merlin1991 | and one more thing, in your repo the .dsc file is missing |
| 15:49.21 | marmistrz | ok, it's the 'deal': I may check whether its thanks to sqlite3, but I won't probably be able to fix it. brief look on the structure overwhelms me a little :D |
| 15:51.58 | kerio | D: |
| 15:52.07 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 15:52.17 | kerio | that's it, i'm getting doc |
| 15:52.18 | merlin1991 | just add the .dsc, so I can use dpkg-source -x ;) |
| 15:52.21 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: *poke* |
| 15:52.51 | marmistrz | ok, I'll add it later as my wireless mouse has no battery left! :) |
| 15:53.20 | marmistrz | and it'll be kinda hard right now ;) |
| 15:53.37 | kerio | why do you need a mouse D: |
| 15:53.59 | marmistrz | wait, right! :D |
| 15:56.36 | marmistrz | challenge accomplished :D dsc uploaded |
| 15:56.44 | marmistrz | gotta go, cya. |
| 15:57.04 | marmistrz | kerio: don't wake up the sleeping demon that scrutinizes :D |
| 15:58.16 | kerio | it is too late now |
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| 16:24.16 | merlin1991 | err kerio we've discussed including sqlite quite a few times already, it only never happened because of time |
| 16:45.45 | Pali | merlin1991, when will be meeting? |
| 16:46.50 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: ping |
| 16:47.11 | merlin1991 | and luf isn't even here |
| 18:02.48 | freemangordon | merlin1991: pong |
| 18:04.38 | merlin1991 | you need to push your changes re openssl :D |
| 18:05.05 | freemangordon | merlin1991: really? hehe, on it :) |
| 18:06.57 | freemangordon | merlin1991: done |
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| 18:08.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: eh? |
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| 18:49.18 | freemangordon | merlin1991: he is here ^^^ :D:D:D |
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| 18:52.06 | luf | fremangordon: I have to work for at least one hour. |
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| 19:03.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | how about ally ou trolls bother to take the burden and look up in chanlog about my last comment regarding SQLite, instead of playing silly sneaky games here? |
| 19:08.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | marmistrz obviously has NFC about my ultrasmart semantics-aware highlighting |
| 19:08.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
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| 19:18.15 | Raimu | :D |
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| 19:54.39 | merlin1991 | btw freemangordon the openssl packaging is correct for debhelper < 5 :D |
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| 19:59.55 | luf | Ok, I'm here for you. |
| 19:59.57 | luf | :) |
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| 20:11.07 | luf | merlin1991: ping |
| 20:11.13 | luf | freemangordon: ping |
| 20:11.15 | luf | pali: ping |
| 20:11.22 | Pali | pong |
| 20:11.33 | luf | Meeting? |
| 20:11.36 | luf | :) |
| 20:15.06 | merlin1991 | arcean: ping |
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| 20:40.28 | luf | It seems meeting will not be today. So I leave and I'll be inaccessible till Monday. I'll be on weekend house without internet connectivity. |
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| 20:40.59 | luf | I hope I'll muve futher with obexd + MAP so I can then focus on bluez-4.99 :) |
| 20:43.31 | wmarone | hmm |
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| 21:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, hoping for a happy coincidence for a meeting is probably not going to fly. We might have to schedule some fixed date |
| 21:49.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | tomorrow is Friday ;-D |
| 21:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I once read somewhere it's the day where we usually try to hang out here |
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| 23:02.08 | gregoa | merlin1991: (a few days later but still:) debsecan, for checking security issues on your install |
| 23:02.48 | gregoa | merlin1991: and/or subscribe to the security-announce ML |
| 23:03.37 | gregoa | merlin1991: and/or setup unattended-updates for the security repo if you like automatisms |
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