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06:16.49lufI have a problem with testing MAP :( I have no device which support MAP and the client part in obex supports only SetFolder, GetFolderListing and GetMessageListing. So it doesn't support GetMessage.
06:17.45lufAny idea? Anyone wants test experimental code? :)
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07:45.38lufNo brave man? :D Ok it's not needed now as I find a way how to test it.
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08:51.36luffremangordon: ping
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09:02.39fw190DocScrutinizer: openSuse is killing my hdd - any hints how to stop it?
09:08.05lufDocS: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/you_hdd :D :D It stop all your troubles wit opensuse after reboot :D
09:08.38luffw190: don't do it ;) it removes all data from the disk.
09:09.09fw190well
09:09.19fw190I had this problem with buntukh
09:09.21lufYou should find what is writing so much ... or maybe swapping? iostat/vmstat should be friends
09:09.25fw190and managed to do it
09:09.35fw190the hdd is stoping
09:09.37fw190and starting
09:09.42lufAhhh that.
09:10.21lufusually it's some power saving feature.
09:10.25lufhddparm ?
09:10.39lufMaybe also some bios settings.
09:11.14fw190I found this http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Laptop-mode
09:11.23fw190they state that suse is a no go
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09:18.12chem|stmay I have some support here? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87038
09:18.24chem|stDocScrutinizer51: merlin1991 MohammadAG ^^
09:18.40chem|stfreemangordon: luf ^^
09:31.41DocScrutinizer51indexer
09:32.16DocScrutinizer51isn't it the same on all desktops?
09:32.17fw190DocScrutinizer51: Ubuntu had the same problem
09:32.34fw190I've been trying to use various hdparm command but othing
09:32.35fw190nothing
09:32.37DocScrutinizer51win and mac too
09:32.55DocScrutinizer51bs, that's not hdparm rel.ated
09:33.24lufDocScrutinizer51: stop and start disk rotation?
09:33.36lufhow can indexer stop disk rotation?
09:34.19fw190the disk was started and stopped for the last hour more than for the last 6 months with Ubuntu
09:38.53fw190hmmm  I did hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda and it stopped
09:40.00lufWhat stopped?
09:40.12fw190I found a sugestion to put a skript in /etc/pm/power.d  with #!/bin/bash hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda
09:40.23fw190well the disk isn't starting and stoping al the time
09:40.48fw190or a script like this: #!/bin/bash if on_ac_power; then   hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda else    hdparm -B 128 /dev/sda fi
09:40.55chem|stfw190: to disable spindown at all you set 255
09:41.09lufGood but the suggestion is strange. I think opensuse somewhere in start scripts set it ... so it should be easier to change it somewhere else.
09:41.44chem|stI set my drives with a windows to never spindown
09:41.48chem|sthardware wise
09:41.55fw190chem|st: thanks but in buntukh they sugested 254
09:42.05fw190well I could give it a try
09:42.09lufI don't think hdparm -B 128 /dev/sda is good for you even when on battery.
09:42.24lufLooking at "hdparm -I /dev/sda", seems the APM level on my drive was set  to 128, when the Ubuntu recommended fix is to set it to 255 (off) or  254 (lowest level).
09:42.36fw190the question is if I set it up to 255 will it be remebered after reboot?
09:42.39chem|stfw190: I dont know if you want to disable spindown?! I was just telling
09:42.40luffw190: it depends what you want and test ;)
09:42.47fw190luf: I didnt do the script
09:43.13fw190chem|st: 254 is quite long I think so it could be ok for me
09:43.24fw190luf: jus did the command with 254
09:43.53luffw190: if you want to learn more. Try to find where opensuse is setting hdparm for disks during boot. I think they do it as you didn't met the same with ubunut.
09:45.56lufchem|st: what kind of support you requested? I'm affraid I'm not keen enough for HW troubleshooting.
09:49.32chem|stluf: supporting my idea of donating the devices to cssu
09:53.07DocScrutinizer51fw190: you configure such tings in Yast sysconfig editor
09:53.46DocScrutinizer51onviously suse decided you're running on a laptop
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09:54.52DocScrutinizer51there's also /etc/sysconfig/* but you got a nice editor for that stuff in yast
09:54.55fw190DocScrutinizer: give me a minute
09:55.12DocScrutinizer51sorry I don't have a minute
09:55.26DocScrutinizer51and I have no linux here at work
09:56.43fw190ok
09:57.01DocScrutinizer51generally on suse all scripts in etc/init.d make heavy use of config in /etc/sysconfig/*
09:57.03fw190I will check yast for this but do not know how does it sound in Polish
09:57.05fw190will have a look
09:57.08fw190thanks for the tip
09:57.15DocScrutinizer51np
09:57.54DocScrutinizer51just a tip to not mess with init.d/* unless you checked sysconfig
09:58.52DocScrutinizer51the sysconfig editor in yast is kinda nice, has search
09:59.58DocScrutinizer51chem|st: what's your ping been about?
10:01.06DocScrutinizer51support about what?
10:04.19chem|stDocScrutinizer51: supporting the idea of donating devices to cssu
10:04.51DocScrutinizer51fw190: if  you don't know where/how to touch/tackle: frep etc/init.d for hdparm. in that file you find a file from /etc/sysconfig sourced at beginning. look into this file and you know the name of the sysonfig $env you then can search for in yast's sysconfig editor (you *could* as well edit the file in sysconfig, but I'd discourage you to do so)
10:05.18DocScrutinizer51chem|st: sounds good
10:05.26chem|stDocScrutinizer51: I decided to have my desktop run in laptop-mode... saves power! apart of stuff like spinning down harddrives and stuff
10:05.47DocScrutinizer51got my last post trunkated?
10:06.30chem|stlast line is "file in sysconfig, but I'd discourage you to do so)"
10:06.42DocScrutinizer51k
10:06.48DocScrutinizer51bbl
10:06.54DocScrutinizer51much l
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11:25.48lufOMG why mp-fremantle-community-pr has dependency in busybox-symlinks-procps and disallow procps? I want to have nice ps not the shit from busybox :(
11:27.35lufI don't understand why there is dependency on all symlinks for busybox :(
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11:51.17kerioluf: because ham can't upgrade non-user packages without a dependency on the metapackage
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11:51.51lufBut how can I be notified about CSSU upgrade without metapackage?
11:56.44kerio\_o_/
11:57.06keriomake a fake busybox-symlinks-procps
11:58.21lufkerio: Are you joking?
11:58.27kerionot one bit
11:59.45lufWhy CSSU should force users to such fucking things like ps (symlink to busybox). It's the freedom I hear about here?
12:00.09keriowoooooooooooooah there
12:02.25kerioeasy
12:02.52keriomerlin1991: *poke*
12:02.54keriohow do we solve this?
12:04.10lufkerio: If the dependency on busybox-symlinks is a must then there has to be dependency like busybox-symlinks-XYZ || XYZ
12:04.23kerioluf: to be honest procps is a fucking mess
12:04.32luf:D
12:04.33kerioDocScrutinizer05: did you fix procps yet?
12:04.40kerioluf: it should be gnuified
12:04.46keriobecause, well, ps *is* a system binary
12:04.54kerioregardless of its substitutability
12:05.20lufgnuified makes sense.
12:05.32kerioexcept that procps isn't gnu
12:05.35kerio:3
12:05.37luf:D
12:06.25kerioi just don't get why this stuff doesn't use dpkg diversions instead of conflicting
12:07.05keriodivert /bin/ps to /bin/ps.distrib for everything except procps
12:07.06kerioand stuff
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13:48.58fw190this openSuse isn't bad
13:49.00fw190;)
13:59.26kerioidea: make apt use /home/.apt-archive-cache by default
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15:51.25DocScrutinizer05optify procps? are you mad?
15:52.30kerioDocScrutinizer05: wat
15:52.35kerioi said gnuify
15:54.06DocScrutinizer05aaah, yep, then you could even optify it ;-P
15:54.58DocScrutinizer05fw190: fine :-)
15:56.01DocScrutinizer05already is excited to call gps then instead ps ;-P
15:56.36keriowe'll make a stallmann cry if we put the procps stuff in /usr/bin/gnu
15:57.06DocScrutinizer05IDGAF
15:57.10fw190DocScrutinizer05: still I have no solution for the HDD
15:57.21fw190couldn't find the settings
15:57.22DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
15:59.48fw190mompls?
15:59.52keriogooby pls
16:09.54DocScrutinizer05~mompls
16:10.00DocScrutinizer05~mompl
16:10.00infobothmm... mompl is a stupid short form for "moment please"
16:10.22DocScrutinizer05fw190: please check >>  man hdparm|less -i +'/-S '
16:10.45DocScrutinizer05man hdparm|less -i +'/-S '
16:10.53DocScrutinizer05^^^for easier c&p ;-)
16:11.18DocScrutinizer05fw190: there's not a single call to hdparm in *my* /etc
16:12.10DocScrutinizer05only thing grep found been: /etc/sysconfig/ide:# mode) or any mode supported by hdparm (e.g. "mdma2", "udma5", ...)
16:12.27fw190DocScrutinizer: dumb question - should I put it into termina?
16:12.35DocScrutinizer05but that file "ide" only defines DEVICES_FORCE_IDE_DMA and that's never used
16:12.45DocScrutinizer05:nod:
16:12.53DocScrutinizer05a terminal/shell command
16:13.36DocScrutinizer05anyway -S is sticky
16:13.43DocScrutinizer05in HDD
16:14.03fw190I posted into terminal man hdparm|less -i +'/-S ' and something long poped out
16:14.07DocScrutinizer05while I actually never before heard of -B
16:14.46DocScrutinizer05lol
16:15.17DocScrutinizer05you *might* want to try <spacebar>, "b", <pgup>, pgdown>, and 'h'
16:15.18fw190something long isn't precise I know
16:15.52fw190ok I'm at the end
16:15.56DocScrutinizer05esp h and q are good keys ;-D
16:16.20DocScrutinizer05but <space> and cursor keys are also nice
16:16.57DocScrutinizer05sorry for the unconvenience
16:17.09fw190this suse thingy isn't as easy as I thought
16:17.26DocScrutinizer05Iprobably could've shared an instruction how to display the manpage in konqueror
16:17.38fw190I can see the man page
16:18.20fw190but the thing is how to stop the hdd stoping
16:18.22DocScrutinizer05yeah indeed it should be just like >> man hdparm << just with positioning to parameter "-S"
16:18.42kerioDocScrutinizer05: konqueror has a way to read man pages?
16:18.43kerio:o
16:18.56DocScrutinizer05that's written exactly on your screen when you do >> man hdparm|less -i +'/-S ' <<
16:19.04DocScrutinizer05kerio: indeed
16:19.10DocScrutinizer05#hdparm
16:19.20DocScrutinizer05and ##hdparm is the info page ;-P
16:19.22kerioi bet it's some KIOslave bullshit
16:19.27fw190DocScrutinizer: Get/set  Advanced  Power  Management feature, if the drive supports it. A low               value means aggressive power management and a high value means better perfor-               mance.  Possible settings range from values 1 through 127 (which permit spin-               down), and values 128 through 254 (which do not permit spin-down).  The high-               est degree of power management is attained with a se
16:19.30DocScrutinizer05prolly :-P
16:19.36fw190this is for B
16:19.57DocScrutinizer05fw, goddamn, do you think I haven't already read it?
16:20.12fw190sory
16:20.23kerioDocScrutinizer05: don't be mad at him :(
16:20.27DocScrutinizer05nah
16:20.30fw190it is hard to me to understand it in English
16:20.54fw190I mean the things you write and I shoul do
16:20.55DocScrutinizer05I'm happy, I'm out of office, and tonight a favoourite band of mine is playing live here
16:21.19DocScrutinizer05fw190: sorry. wait a minute
16:21.50DocScrutinizer05fw190: >> A value of zero means "timeouts  are  disabled"<< so please use:
16:22.14DocScrutinizer05hdparm -S 0 /dev/hda    <<replace hda with your actual drive name
16:23.01DocScrutinizer05instead of hdparm -B 254 you use hdparm -S 0
16:23.07DocScrutinizer05once
16:23.12DocScrutinizer05it sticks
16:23.23DocScrutinizer05it should, at least
16:24.08DocScrutinizer05unless *your* suse installation actually touches hdparm during boot (which I doubt, judging from my installation)
16:24.28fw190irc stopped working
16:24.32fw190a now it works
16:24.41fw190well the first command worked
16:24.50DocScrutinizer05umpf, what's last line you read?
16:24.54fw190setting standby to 0 (off)
16:25.08DocScrutinizer05lol, I meant IRC
16:25.24fw190I was unable to post
16:25.27fw190I can read
16:25.28DocScrutinizer05though >>setting standby to 0 (off)<< is pretty good :-)
16:25.31fw190anyway
16:25.46fw190the second command
16:25.55fw190doesn't work
16:25.57fw190I think there has to be the disc
16:26.03DocScrutinizer05sure
16:26.04fw190pointed
16:26.05fw190as a info table opos out
16:26.39DocScrutinizer05??
16:26.56keriofw190: is this a laptop?
16:27.03keriois the noise from the HD a problem?
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16:28.00fw190_sory
16:28.06fw190_webchat dead
16:28.40fw190_I was asking if now the disc wont spin down after next reboot?
16:31.21DocScrutinizer05fw190: if you gave command "hdparm -S 0 /dev/<your-drive>" and got answer "setting standby to 0 (off)", then the drive shouldn't spin down anymore form now on
16:32.00DocScrutinizer05if it still does, something is forcing spindown of drive, maybe your BIOS, or some weird shit in OS
16:37.13kerionope
16:37.50DocScrutinizer05eh?
16:38.08DocScrutinizer05nopen?
16:38.26DocScrutinizer05halebop:~ # hdparm -B /dev/sda
16:38.27DocScrutinizer05/dev/sda:
16:38.29DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
16:38.30DocScrutinizer05FWIW
16:38.38kerioi meant that fw190 left
16:38.39kerio:)
16:41.51DocScrutinizer05dang, last time I looked into hdparm regarding spindown has to be like 5 years ago
16:42.08DocScrutinizer05or longer
16:43.49DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: sorry, I'm not available today, will join a fehlfarben concert in an hour
16:49.07kerioDocScrutinizer05: i just listened to a song
16:49.12kerionot bad
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16:50.39kerioDocScrutinizer05: otoh, 4 days ago i watched radiohead live :3
16:50.51fw190kerio: yes a laptop
16:50.58fw190the noise isn't a problem
16:51.00keriofw190: do you want it to spin down or not?
16:51.17fw190I don't want it to spin down every 3s
16:51.26fw190as this is the way it happens now
16:51.29fw190jus rebooted
16:51.33fw190and the problem is bac
16:51.53fw190I have to type the command Doc posted again to stop it
16:52.02DocScrutinizer05then you probably have a setting for that in your BIOS config
16:52.06fw190stoping so often can't be good for the hdd
16:52.25fw190Ok
16:52.31fw190I will chceck the BIOS
16:52.52DocScrutinizer05however you can add that command to some initscript
16:52.55keriofw190: see, this is what happens when you don't buy a SSD ;)
16:53.04DocScrutinizer05or even create your won initscript
16:53.06keriorc.local is probably the place
16:53.20DocScrutinizer05no such thing on suse
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16:53.23keriomadness
16:53.36fw190I read a tutroial somewhere to
16:53.40DocScrutinizer05rc.local is madness
16:53.40fw190add a script for this
16:53.42keriooh, it's been poetteringized already?
16:54.17DocScrutinizer05indeed, recent version got poetteringized
16:54.43DocScrutinizer05but that's not why rc.local never existed on suse initV either
16:54.49keriok
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16:57.20DocScrutinizer05echo "/sbin/hdparm -S 0 /dev/sda" >>/etc/init.d/boot.local
16:57.27DocScrutinizer05fw190: ^^^
16:57.43DocScrutinizer05then
16:57.52DocScrutinizer05less /etc/init.d/boot.local
16:58.01DocScrutinizer05to see if it looks good still
16:59.07DocScrutinizer05or >>mcedit /etc/init.d/boot.local
16:59.20fw190I did the two
16:59.33fw190now the tricky part
16:59.41DocScrutinizer05the tricky part?
16:59.43fw190how to explain what I see in English
16:59.44fw190;)
17:00.01DocScrutinizer05patbinit /etc/init.d/boot.local
17:00.12DocScrutinizer05pastebinit /etc/init.d/boot.local
17:00.14DocScrutinizer05actually
17:00.44fw190"/sbin/hdparm -S 0 /dev/sda"
17:00.49fw190this is at the end
17:00.55DocScrutinizer05or simply paste the output of >> tail -n 2 /etc/init.d/boot.local << here
17:01.11DocScrutinizer05well, looks good
17:01.20fw190one question
17:01.28fw190now in the terminal I have this script
17:01.33fw190how to exit it?
17:01.43DocScrutinizer05I hope sda is actually your HDD?
17:01.43fw190previosuly Ijust closed the terminal
17:01.49fw190yes it is
17:01.54DocScrutinizer05q
17:02.03fw190thanks
17:02.15fw190suse is not so easy as buntukh
17:02.18DocScrutinizer05toldya h and q are very useful
17:02.23fw190to long on it
17:02.32fw190I will reboot to see what happens
17:02.53DocScrutinizer05duh, you think this would've been any easier on buntkuh?
17:03.20DocScrutinizer05buntkuh less is exactly the same as suse less
17:04.10DocScrutinizer05however you actually should do >> grep -r hdparm /etc <<
17:04.26DocScrutinizer05grep -r hdparm /etc
17:05.06DocScrutinizer05and tell if there's any hit except that one you just created in boot.local
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17:07.02fw190DocScrutinizer: same thing after reboot
17:09.01fw190maybe the script should execute "hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda" instead of "hdparm -S 0 /dev/sda"
17:09.12fw190as only thi first stopps the madnes
17:10.06DocScrutinizer05well, then it probably should do that, yes
17:10.14DocScrutinizer05*sigh*
17:11.06keriofw190: hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda
17:11.07fw190I just posted yor comands sory
17:11.09keriobut then it won't spindown
17:11.09kerioever
17:11.23fw190will change that with kwriter
17:11.42fw190kerio: I thought that with 255 it doesn't spin down ever
17:11.55fw190anyway I had 254 on ubuntu for 2 ears
17:12.07kerio-S 0 disables spindown i think
17:14.41DocScrutinizer05yes
17:15.51DocScrutinizer05it's supposed to work since longer than -B even existed, and it's supposed to be non-volatile in HDD flash storage
17:16.49DocScrutinizer05but it might get reset when BIOS does some "-B" during POST
17:17.28DocScrutinizer05I'd really love to see fw190 following our suggestions, e.g. do the suggested grep in /etc
17:18.01DocScrutinizer05since I got no mood to fix this on a try&error approach
17:18.28fw190DocScrutinizer: I have missed that sugestion
17:18.43fw190this is maybe why  I haven't done it
17:18.53DocScrutinizer05[2012-09-26 19:04:10] <DocScrutinizer05> however you actually should do >> grep -r hdparm /etc <<
17:18.55DocScrutinizer05[2012-09-26 19:04:26] <DocScrutinizer05> grep -r hdparm /etc
17:18.56DocScrutinizer05[2012-09-26 19:05:06] <DocScrutinizer05> and tell if there's any hit except that one you just created in boot.local
17:18.58DocScrutinizer05[2012-09-26 19:07:02] <fw190> DocScrutinizer: same thing after reboot
17:21.07fw190"/etc/sysconfig/ide:# mode) or any mode supported by hdparm (e.g. "mdma2", "udma5", ...)"
17:21.29DocScrutinizer05only one?
17:21.40fw190thera are now 3 line
17:21.45fw190but culdnt paste them
17:21.55fw190"/etc/init.d/boot.local:/sbin/hdparm -S 0 /dev/sda"
17:22.03DocScrutinizer05that's yours
17:22.04fw190"/etc/init.d/boot.local:/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda"
17:22.25fw190that is it
17:22.29DocScrutinizer05you better edit /etc/init.d/boot.local now
17:22.51DocScrutinizer05since you appended that line two times
17:22.56fw190I was just googling how tolaunch Kwrite from terminal ;)
17:23.03fw190with root privilage
17:23.07DocScrutinizer05sudo kwrite
17:23.14fw190when you told me to grep
17:23.22DocScrutinizer05or rather
17:23.27DocScrutinizer05sudo kwrite /etc/init.d/boot.local
17:23.37fw190not su?
17:23.43fw190sudo gives error
17:23.48DocScrutinizer05or you're probably already root anyway
17:23.54fw190damn
17:23.56fw190I am
17:23.59fw190it is on red
17:24.11DocScrutinizer05kwrite /etc/init.d/boot.local
17:24.41fw190"kwrite(2518)/kdeui (kdelibs): Session bus not found"
17:24.56DocScrutinizer05yay
17:26.13fw190"kwrite: cannot connect to X server"
17:26.25fw190damn I'm to stupid for this linux thing
17:29.35DocScrutinizer05fw190: in menu there's "execute command..." (second from bottom)
17:29.53DocScrutinizer05there'll pop up a small textbox
17:30.06DocScrutinizer05enter: "kdesu kwrite"
17:31.49fw190did that
17:32.09DocScrutinizer05sed -i 's/sbin/hdparm -S 0 /dev/sda//' /etc/init.d/boot.local
17:32.21DocScrutinizer05or you do that one ^^^
17:32.28DocScrutinizer05*OR*
17:32.38DocScrutinizer05in terminal, as root
17:32.40fw190I have Kwrite opened
17:32.46DocScrutinizer05fine
17:32.49DocScrutinizer05open /etc/init.d/boot.local
17:32.52DocScrutinizer05edit
17:32.53DocScrutinizer05save
17:32.56fw190shupuld I opeen the file and edit it from Kwrite
17:33.56DocScrutinizer05yes
17:34.04fw190done
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17:34.12fw190restarting the system
17:34.20fw190or check it onther way
17:34.21fw190?
17:34.35DocScrutinizer05fine, then I hope it will execute your magic hdparm command on every boot now
17:34.45fw190will test
17:34.47DocScrutinizer05you can test other way
17:34.47fw190ps
17:35.15DocScrutinizer05just execute the script
17:35.18fw190pm me on TMO your address - I owe you a biiig Koelsh or something like that
17:35.28DocScrutinizer05I.E in terminal as root you enter
17:35.41DocScrutinizer05/etc/init.d/boot.local
17:36.17DocScrutinizer05since that will do exactly what is done during boot as well
17:36.43fw190setting Advanced Power Management level to 0xfe (254)
17:36.45DocScrutinizer05just will show feedback diagnostic prints on your shell, unlike during boot
17:37.00fw190setting standby to 0 (off)
17:37.09fw190APM_level      = 254
17:37.22fw190that is what it showed
17:37.29DocScrutinizer05mhm
17:37.42DocScrutinizer05sounds good
17:37.45DocScrutinizer05boot
17:37.46fw190thanks
17:37.52DocScrutinizer05yw
17:38.00fw190koelsh it is
17:38.05fw190I need Lech Pils
17:38.08DocScrutinizer05cya, fehlfarben not waiting for me
17:38.17fw190bye
17:42.32fw190to all- sory for being clumsy and dumb with my problem
17:45.34DocScrutinizer05never excuse [J.L. Gibbs]
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