IRC log for #maemo-ssu on 20120918

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06:39.42chem|stkerio: *shut the fsck up pong*
06:40.14chem|stkerio: wasn't reading the log... was there something important?
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08:46.12freemangordonluf: bluez 4.99 has NEON optimized sbc codec, but one should enable NEON support by hand (-mfpu=neon)
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09:25.05luffreemangordon: so you suggest to enable it. Ok. I'll try. Does it work for you well?
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09:25.30freemangordonunfortunately I am unable to build the package :(
09:25.42lufWhy? What's the problem?
09:26.50freemangordonsomething with automake
09:27.07luf:(
09:27.34freemangordonif I do autoreconf it does not even do proper configure
09:28.13freemangordonand without that is fails on dh_install step, as some test executables are not built
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09:28.48lufstrange. I'm able to build.
09:29.06freemangordonyou have AM 2.63
09:29.17freemangordonwhere did you get that from?
09:29.25freemangordonas here is 2.61
09:30.13lufautomake1.9                                         1.9.5-1osso3
09:30.13lufautoconf                                            2.61-4maemo1+0m5
09:30.41freemangordonok, but your makefile is generated by 2.63
09:31.04freemangordoncan you do autoreconf --force -v --install?
09:31.13freemangordonto check if it still builds after that
09:31.24lufWhy I may want to reconfigure?
09:31.52freemangordondifferent toolchain?
09:32.29freemangordonusing makefiles generated for a diferent toolchain is not a good idea
09:33.47freemangordonhmm, after reconfiguring even in default SB target leads to unbuildable tree
09:34.20lufHmmm. I didn't reconfigure.
09:34.34freemangordonbut that should work
09:35.36lufconfigure.ac:4: option `color-tests' not recognized
09:35.42freemangordonyes
09:35.53freemangordonbut it is not important
09:36.03freemangordonhttp://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/html_node/List-of-Automake-options.html#List-of-Automake-options
09:38.25freemangordonluf: seems you take configure.ac from a newer AM. I don't think it will work :(
09:39.27freemangordonthough you can take the stock configure.ac and try to tweak it for 4.99
09:39.44lufI took package from debian ;) As usual
09:39.57freemangordonyeah, I see :)
09:40.18freemangordonbut we are too "old" for that. Packaging part I mean
09:41.33lufHmmm I did the same with curl and obex ... ugh. another new task :(
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09:45.32freemangordonluf: and this is what i get without autoreconf:
09:45.34freemangordoninstall: cannot stat `test/gaptest': No such file or directory
09:45.57freemangordondoing dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
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10:03.29lufstrange it should be build when you have --enable-test in debian/rules (DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS)
10:03.53freemangordonI know
10:44.18luffreemangordon:  do you have the place where to add  -mfpu=neon ?
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10:55.57luffreemangordon: I get it but it can't compile with -mfpu=neon in CFLAGS
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11:54.51freemangordonluf: (I got "luf Teď tu zrovna nejsem" in private chat, whatever it means :D ) it compiles ok with gcc 4.7.2
11:58.06luffreemangordon: It means that I'm not at computer (as you recognized) :D
12:02.02keriochem|st: deepy had a bootloop after installing cssu-s, but it could've been a hw problem
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12:06.08freemangordonluf: hmm, maybe something with SB, i'll investigate it
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12:46.16luffreemangordon: what may I report you to help with finding the problem?
12:47.24freemangordonluf: NFC, I'll try to fix it on my own by now
12:48.20luffreemangordon: ok.
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12:49.54lufI added it in debian/rules: CFLAGS := $(CFLAGS) -mfpu=neon
12:50.11freemangordonyeah, that is how it is supposed to be
12:51.30kerioi liek optimizations :D
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16:32.10chem|stkerio: my device bootlooped after installing backupmenu well it tried to boot maemo and or backupmenu for like 7 times then I removed the bat and tried again... worked... some devices hung up for some reason
16:32.20keriohm
16:32.43chem|st"devices" in some hardware in my n900 devices
16:33.14chem|stso some hardware error during boot I'd guess
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16:52.24keriofreemangordon: needs moar optimization
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21:06.10*** topic/#maemo-ssu is Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo5.1; (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo4.1 || READ!!: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1264963#post1264963
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21:06.16DocScrutinizer05infobot: wb
21:06.17infobotIt's great to be back!
21:06.27freemangordonmerlin1991: do me a favor and PURGE FAM FROM THE REPOS
21:06.30freemangordon:D:D:D
21:06.47tadzik(:
21:06.51tadzikis it that bad?
21:07.01DocScrutinizer05hehehe
21:07.05freemangordonno, but you should not use it for system upgrades
21:07.15tadzikoh, I'm not
21:07.22tadzikI waited patiently for HAM
21:07.26freemangordonaah, ok
21:07.29freemangordon:)
21:07.43freemangordonHAM and FAM have different catalogs though
21:08.06freemangordontadzik: do you find any difference?
21:08.13DocScrutinizer05honestly cpu load applet and simple brightness are the 2 most essential things on my device
21:08.36freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: maybe i will give it a try...
21:08.49freemangordonafter you install -thumb on your primary device :P
21:09.09DocScrutinizer05might ahppen faster than you think
21:09.14freemangordonI know
21:09.35freemangordonthat was one of those semi-jokes ;)
21:09.55tadzikfreemangordon: I don't see any, honestly
21:10.04kerioDocScrutinizer05: heh, really?
21:10.05DocScrutinizer05after all I'm not THAT busted when my phone refuses to work, and I at least got a clue what to scrutinize
21:10.05Flyserwill -thumb be merged into -testing eventually?
21:10.08keriohave we converted you? :D
21:10.10tadzikmaybe windows switching is a bit faster
21:10.18freemangordontadzik: start microb
21:10.26tadzikI tried it already
21:10.31keriowoowoowoowoowoo
21:10.33freemangordonand open FB if you have an account
21:10.34tadzikbut I use Opera usually
21:10.39DocScrutinizer05Flyser: unlikely, though nothing is impossible
21:10.39tadziknah, I don't use FB
21:10.44tadzikmay try github though :)
21:10.48freemangordonok
21:11.11Flyserwhy is it unlikely? introduces too many bugs?
21:11.34DocScrutinizer05introduces too many packages to test
21:12.02DocScrutinizer05actually I'm not anticipating any bugs
21:12.14tadzikyeah, github runs pretty smoothly on microb
21:12.29DocScrutinizer05but that's (this time actually) a question of ideology
21:12.33freemangordontadzik: I bet you'll revert to microb :P
21:12.36tadzikand it doesn't seem to be swapping at all
21:12.52DocScrutinizer05or rather policy
21:13.34tadzikfreemangordon: well, I appreciate the reduced bandwidth in Opera, I usually go cheap when buying internet plans for my phone
21:13.38tadzikplus company loyalty etc ;)
21:13.43freemangordonaaah, ok
21:14.02freemangordontadzik: you work for opera?
21:14.05tadzikaye
21:14.26freemangordonhmm, tadzik is a singer :D
21:14.29tadzikhehe
21:14.35tadzikactually I'm after music school ;)
21:14.43tadzikbut never studies singing itself
21:17.03tadzikwow, 3 tabs open and it's still all in RAM
21:17.10tadzikdoesn't seem to be chocking much
21:18.34tadzikokay, I'm convinced it's pure magic
21:18.38tadzikfreemangordon++, good job :)
21:18.51freemangordonhehe
21:21.54tadzikhm, are conversations also running on microb-engine?
21:22.02freemangordontadzik: yes
21:22.19tadzikha, that's a huge win
21:22.29freemangordontadzik: BTW I may try to build opera-thumb
21:22.35freemangordontadzik: yes
21:22.45tadzikis it buildable? I mean, I don't think the source is available
21:22.59freemangordonhmm, isn't it OSS?
21:23.05tadzikI'm quite sure it's not
21:23.10freemangordon:(
21:23.24freemangordonwell, I can give you instructions how to build it then :P
21:23.42tadzikhm, I could maybe give it a try
21:24.07freemangordonyeah, gcc 4.7.2 and thumb2 makes all the difference
21:24.19tadzikI'll ask cow-orkers tomorrow
21:24.20freemangordonok
21:24.49freemangordonyou see how microb is affected, I suspect opera will benefit at least that much
21:25.57freemangordontadzik: BTW how big is opera? the executable/libs.
21:26.37tadzikI don't know, I'm not working on the browser itself
21:26.45peetahfreemangordon: sorry for juming in the conversation, but did zeq and yourself succeeded in building firefox for thumb2 ?
21:26.49freemangordonI mean installed on n900
21:26.52tadzikah
21:26.55tadziklemee see
21:26.58freemangordonpeetah: yes
21:27.24peetahis it available in CSSU thumb ?
21:27.37freemangordonhttp://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/pool/free/f/fennec/
21:28.02freemangordonpeetah: though it is still far from microb in terms of performance
21:28.33tadzikfreemangordon: it's about 11 MB
21:28.58peetahI guess so, but I'm ok with FF 14 on CSSU-T so I guess I will appreciate the improvements brought by thumb2
21:29.04freemangordontadzik: thumb2 compiled should be about 7.5 - 8
21:29.16tadziknice
21:29.58freemangordonpeetah: don't know. give it a try (if you have -thumb installed) and report how it is compared to FF14
21:30.33freemangordongoes for sleep
21:30.36peetahthe only thing that hold me back right now is the support for uboot
21:30.50freemangordonpeetah: what do you mean
21:31.15DocScrutinizer05conversations use browser as rendering frontend, but I guess what makes convo suck is something completely different
21:31.32peetahfrom what i read, installing thumb2 will reflash the thumb kernel, and I'll have to install u-boot again and find a uboot friendly thumb2 kernel
21:31.46freemangordonpeetah: you can choose between KP and kernel-cssu, both provide boot images
21:32.07tadzikwell, uboot + kernel-power is not trivial
21:32.10freemangordonif you have KP>51 no kernel will be flashed
21:32.14tadzikin my experience, at least
21:32.40freemangordontadzik: why? you just need to install bootimg and run uboot-update script
21:32.51freemangordonanyway, I am afk
21:32.54freemangordonnight
21:32.54DocScrutinizer05'just' ;-P
21:33.24tadzikIt "just" didn't work last time I tried :P
21:33.26tadzikgood knight freemangordon
21:34.28peetahI have KP51r1
21:36.00peetahhow is KP>51 changing the way kernel-cssu is installed ?
21:36.40Flyserpeetah: kernel-cssu will not be installed, if kp51r1 is installed
21:37.02peetahany reason for that ?
21:37.23Flyserkp51r1 contains all the necessary thumb patches
21:38.11peetahwoohooooo, thumb2 migration it is then !
21:39.14tadzikhehe
21:39.18tadzikcome, we have cookies
21:39.28FlyserI am kinda tempted too. the microb and firefox improvements sound very good
21:39.40kerioit's not firefox though, it's fennec :)
21:39.46keriofreemangordon: update fennec plskthx
21:40.09Flyserkerio: whats the difference?
21:40.35kerioFlyser: the icon is much less pretty
21:40.45Flyser... yeah ...
21:46.18Flyserfreemangordon started to optimize the SmartReflex voltage levels of kernel-power. Last time I checked he finished 800 or 850MHz, does anyone happen to know how far he got?
21:50.17Flyser(last time I checked was a few months back, so I am *really* outdated on this one)
22:01.43keriogaaaah, compiling gcc is awful
22:06.15Skrywhy are you doing that? :o
22:08.23kerioto get the latest and greatest
22:11.09Skrythen you should be compiling llvm/clang :)
22:11.32Skryjust kidding
22:12.05kerioSkry: heathen
22:12.48keriohehe, i'm getting so many warnings here
22:13.00keriosomehow i doubt this will work
22:13.15keriogoddammit i hate not having a more updated gcc
22:13.43Skrywhat version are you compiling?
22:14.00kerionah, the problems are with mame
22:14.05kerioi'm trying to compile it with a better compiler
22:14.13keriobut gcc 4.7 is probably too advanced for it
22:15.13keriooh goddammit, there's no gcc46 in the brew repository, only gcc45
22:15.52SkryI assume you're building mame for maemo
22:15.57kerionope
22:15.58kerioos x
22:16.06keriomame on the n900 will never work properly, it's useless
22:16.22keriomame is *heavily* cpu-based
22:18.29Skryso you're compiling gcc 4.7 for osx to compile mame with up-to-date compiler.. have you tried googling for "gcc 4.7 for os x" ? :)
22:24.23peetahbefore I jump, is there any incompatibilities between backupmenu and thumb2 ?
22:37.07peetahtoo late...
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23:15.09peetahfreemangordon: after cssu thumb installation, I installed firefox 17.0a1 with a fresh ~/.mozilla/fennec, but it segfaulted after "content loaded" :(
23:18.28dafoxkerio: why do you say mame will not work on n900? Wouldn't it depend on what gamesystem you're trying to emulate?
23:25.45keriodafox: i'll rephrase: mame won't work with good games without slowdowns/frameskipping on the n900
23:26.33dafoxI think you'll need to rephrase that a bit more, there are lots of good old games ;)
23:27.15dafoxI used to have emame on my old phone (p800), which worked wonderfully for lots of old classics
23:30.59Skryimo n900 screen is too small to actually enjoy gaming
23:31.42Skry..and after saying that, I realized I actually own nokia n-gage.
23:32.14dafoxSkry: thats why we have tv-out :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP_rEPSh3Q0&hd=1
23:40.06Skrysure, still would prefer doing that on a pc with 42" hd screen and decent gamepad though :)
23:44.27Skrypff, emulating n900 with qemu. too slow.
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