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| 07:13.20 | chem|st | o/ |
| 07:13.41 | freemangordon | chem|st: good morning |
| 07:13.48 | chem|st | good morning |
| 07:20.40 | kerio | moin! |
| 07:20.59 | chem|st | so many awake already |
| 07:21.12 | kerio | it's 9.21am here! |
| 07:21.24 | kerio | (CEST, UTC+2) |
| 07:21.40 | chem|st | looks at the shiny surface of his coffee and thinks about life |
| 07:23.17 | chem|st | kerio: I live UTC in a CEST country... and building modest last night did not help this fact |
| 07:23.57 | chem|st | fyi: stable is build so far |
| 07:25.08 | chem|st | although merlin and myself have no idea which combo of automake+X makes some stupid version check possible |
| 07:26.32 | chem|st | having 1.4 or 1.8 installed with 1.9 crashes on another step earlier having 1.7 crashes at the version check again |
| 07:27.25 | chem|st | who is able to build modest without hardcoding intltools directory into config? |
| 07:27.54 | freemangordon | chem|st: me |
| 07:28.22 | freemangordon | don't install 1.9, use the stuff from SDK |
| 07:28.31 | freemangordon | 1.8.5 or something |
| 07:29.03 | chem|st | hmm |
| 07:30.50 | freemangordon | chem|st: scratch that |
| 07:30.53 | freemangordon | automake1.9 1.9.5-1osso3 |
| 07:31.21 | freemangordon | this is what I have installed |
| 07:32.36 | freemangordon | and I am able to build modest with no problem, just tried it |
| 07:34.39 | freemangordon | chem|st: do you want me to build it for you? |
| 07:35.19 | chem|st | freemangordon: nope, with 1.9 it did not build... now I have 1.8 and it does (without 1.9 installed) |
| 07:36.24 | chem|st | freemangordon: it was only a intltool version check failing as the macro handing the directorystring over did fail |
| 07:36.41 | freemangordon | chem|st: ok. just in case: do you have osso-abook installed? I think I fixed the dependencies, but still. |
| 07:37.02 | freemangordon | (or was it missing in tinymail?) |
| 07:38.07 | chem|st | everything else is fine |
| 07:38.16 | freemangordon | ok :) |
| 07:39.12 | chem|st | in /usr/share/aclocal/intltool.m4 ac_aux_dir has no valid return |
| 07:39.23 | chem|st | it builds now |
| 07:40.00 | chem|st | merlin1991: read above for modest |
| 07:40.06 | freemangordon | chem|st: did you remove thumb from DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS? |
| 07:40.11 | chem|st | yes |
| 07:40.19 | chem|st | and no... |
| 07:40.49 | chem|st | first I removed it then reset target and had no buildoptions now I have build options without thumb |
| 07:41.45 | freemangordon | good :). sorry for asking maybe stupid questions, but i've seen lots of stuff breaking because of bad SB setup |
| 07:42.18 | chem|st | freemangordon: sure |
| 07:43.02 | freemangordon | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=maemo-launcher,parallel=4,vfp |
| 07:43.07 | freemangordon | ignore parallel ;) |
| 07:44.32 | chem|st | yep |
| 07:44.47 | chem|st | wrong version to have parallel... |
| 07:45.09 | chem|st | I'd love to... have a 16 core machine at work :/ |
| 07:46.03 | chem|st | freemangordon: so you have 1.9 installed after all... |
| 07:46.33 | chem|st | that keeps me wondering why it built it now with 1.8.5 and not 1.9 |
| 07:47.46 | freemangordon | chem|st: why parallel don't work for you? as long as package supports it it should work fine, at least it does here |
| 07:48.01 | freemangordon | NFC for autotools |
| 07:48.54 | chem|st | merlin said that debhelper does not support it in that version, hon I di not check |
| 07:49.17 | chem|st | freemangordon: modest builds now with 1.8 and 1.9 installed |
| 07:49.24 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 07:50.18 | chem|st | merlin1991: 1.8 is needed to have it working but it MUST be installed before 1.9 |
| 07:52.10 | chem|st | dumbfsck |
| 07:52.58 | chem|st | sort office|grep kitchen|more coffee |
| 07:53.34 | freemangordon | you forgot to ask sudo to make you a sandwitch :D |
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| 07:54.27 | chem|st | I'm not hungry |
| 07:54.38 | freemangordon | :) |
| 07:55.33 | freemangordon | BTW: everyone, you may want to look at this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1261277&postcount=67 |
| 08:06.50 | chem|st | freemangordon: honestly? is there T9? |
| 08:07.12 | chem|st | nice that someone made it happen anyways |
| 08:16.37 | kerio | TMO is slow as shit |
| 08:22.03 | chem|st | kerio: wfm |
| 08:22.43 | kerio | well you've got it cached :) |
| 08:23.08 | kerio | well apparently it's just me |
| 08:25.17 | kerio | weird, even bouncing the connection off my server doesn't work |
| 08:35.53 | freemangordon | chem|st: t9? why is that needed, we have word prediction? |
| 08:36.12 | freemangordon | and full qwerty |
| 08:38.27 | kerio | freemangordon: how i feel: http://i.imgur.com/4kmDD.gif |
| 08:44.33 | chem|st | freemangordon: I have fingers blocking my view so swipe or t9 is needed to get something useful out of it |
| 08:44.58 | chem|st | merlin1991: libhildonfm is build but I think it is the same in stable... |
| 08:46.03 | freemangordon | chem|st: in portrait? But how you can judge when it is not ready? |
| 08:53.55 | freemangordon | aah, maybe it is time to switch to github :(, gitorious:"503 Service Unavailable" |
| 09:00.57 | chem|st | kerio: gitorious is slow! |
| 09:01.14 | kerio | chem|st: wfm |
| 09:01.34 | kerio | =D |
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| 09:05.51 | chem|st | merlin1991: nevermind the hildonfm you did not inlcude it in last stable |
| 09:15.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | moo |
| 09:16.04 | kerio | µ |
| 09:16.16 | merlin1991 | chem|st: so 1.8 + 19 does the trick, silly :D |
| 09:16.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 09:16.23 | merlin1991 | s/19/1.9/ |
| 09:18.49 | chem|st | merlin1991: kinda... |
| 09:19.06 | chem|st | merlin1991: changelog is setup but invisible (commented) |
| 09:20.31 | chem|st | merlin1991: everything is built |
| 09:20.39 | chem|st | but not uploaded |
| 09:21.12 | chem|st | modest is rebuilt without intltools hack |
| 09:24.57 | merlin1991 | well with or without it should work :) |
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| 09:25.10 | merlin1991 | okay I'll try to find some time tonight so we can do the rest |
| 09:28.57 | chem|st | I have time later on (12UTC) |
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| 09:33.30 | merlin1991 | I'm not really avaiable though :D |
| 09:38.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | busy with learning? |
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| 09:42.15 | merlin1991 | learning / working / other stuff :D |
| 09:44.57 | luf | merlin1991: so it's easy. just reduce one thing (other stuff than CSSU) :D |
| 09:45.11 | merlin1991 | :D |
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| 10:07.36 | jon_y | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.38 | jon_y | s/(^\s+|\s+$)//g |
| 10:07.54 | jon_y | heh, infobot doesn't grok perlre |
| 10:08.45 | jon_y | test test test |
| 10:08.49 | jon_y | s/\ //g |
| 10:08.52 | jon_y | s/\ // |
| 10:08.56 | jon_y | nope |
| 10:14.24 | luf | jon_y: why backslash in front of space? :) |
| 10:16.17 | jon_y | luf: \s means whitespace |
| 10:16.40 | jon_y | gotta look for more regex porn |
| 10:16.51 | luf | s/\ //g - are you sure :D |
| 10:17.31 | jon_y | \s is very much perl, maybe |
| 10:17.37 | jon_y | includes tabs |
| 10:18.34 | jon_y | heh, numbers /^-?\d*\.?\d+$/ |
| 10:18.43 | luf | I know \s but you wrote "\ " |
| 10:18.45 | jon_y | I need to look for regex anonymous |
| 10:19.01 | jon_y | I tried s/(^\s+|\s+$)//g too |
| 10:29.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot does simple find in strings that don't have any special chars |
| 10:29.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/e/EEE/g |
| 10:29.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ /_/g |
| 10:30.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/chars/chars (No regex! *\)/ |
| 10:31.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/chars/chars (No regex! *\) The pun! |
| 10:31.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/chars/chars (No regex! *\) The pun!/ |
| 10:32.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | says "infobot also ignores *action* |
| 10:32.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/says/notes/ |
| 10:33.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's also some sane length limit |
| 10:33.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 10:33.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/x/Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy/ |
| 10:33.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/x/Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy/g |
| 10:38.46 | jon_y | heh |
| 10:39.34 | jon_y | that's what you get after looking through bad perl code |
| 10:40.06 | jon_y | some people write sloppy code, perl allows you to write even more sloppy code |
| 10:59.09 | chem|st | re |
| 11:11.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/x/o/g |
| 11:12.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has some maybe strange timeout too |
| 11:13.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously implemented on purpose specially for s///, since ~seen knows last post of people from 2 years ago |
| 11:13.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen estel_ |
| 11:13.48 | infobot | estel_ <~Estel@Maemo/Community/council/Estel-> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 23h 43m ago, saying: 'happy trolling, i'm out.'. |
| 11:15.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen lcuk |
| 11:15.13 | infobot | lcuk <lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 357d 21h 14m 4s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
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| 13:38.32 | kerio | right in the feels |
| 13:38.34 | kerio | :c |
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| 16:53.37 | marmistrz | Hi |
| 16:53.48 | marmistrz | has anybody yet tested my updated sqlite3? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85587 |
| 16:53.53 | marmistrz | I'd like to have it included into cssu |
| 16:56.06 | freemangordon | chem|st, merlin1991: ping |
| 16:56.46 | freemangordon | marmistrz: you'll have to hang here until someone from the maitainers appear :) |
| 16:56.55 | freemangordon | s/from/of/ |
| 16:57.20 | marmistrz | ok |
| 16:57.22 | marmistrz | thx |
| 16:57.29 | freemangordon | marmistrz: chem|st, merlin1991 or MohammadAG |
| 16:57.49 | marmistrz | thx |
| 16:57.54 | freemangordon | np |
| 16:59.32 | freemangordon | marmistrz: though a new updates are due in both -stable and -testing so you might have hard times getting their attention :D |
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| 17:00.29 | freemangordon | marmistrz: BTW are there any build dependencies not satisfied by Maemo5 SDK? |
| 17:01.35 | chem|st | freemangordon: pong |
| 17:01.37 | marmistrz | iirc no |
| 17:02.57 | freemangordon | chem|st: do you have rights to create source code repo on gitorious? If you don't mind marmistrz's request of course :) |
| 17:03.09 | freemangordon | chem|st: in CSSU that is |
| 17:03.53 | marmistrz | brb |
| 17:06.05 | chem|st | marmistrz: go ahead |
| 17:06.28 | chem|st | marmistrz: merlin wil have a look later |
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| 17:14.45 | marmistrz | what should I go ahead with |
| 17:14.47 | marmistrz | ? |
| 17:16.11 | kerio | marmistrz: you need to avoid the attention of the one who scrutinizes and teaches |
| 17:17.02 | kerio | or he'll complain about changing a core package without doing the adequate testing |
| 17:17.26 | merlin1991 | marmistrz: wait out the current releases (stable and testing) after that I'll have time :) |
| 17:17.42 | marmistrz | merlin1991: sure ;) |
| 17:17.43 | merlin1991 | btw sorry I didn't response to you email, but atm I'm quite busy catching up with various things |
| 17:17.49 | merlin1991 | s/you/your/ |
| 17:18.07 | marmistrz | no problem :) |
| 17:19.32 | kerio | what about the clock dude? |
| 17:19.38 | kerio | did he come here while i was sleeping? |
| 17:21.20 | merlin1991 | _ade_ was here |
| 17:22.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: stop telling bullshit |
| 17:23.04 | kerio | aaaah |
| 17:23.06 | kerio | he has awaken! |
| 17:23.13 | kerio | flee for your life! |
| 17:23.48 | marmistrz | kerio: :) |
| 17:24.13 | kerio | flees |
| 17:24.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | marmistrz: the `old` version been plain upstream 3.6, new one 3.7, also proper upstream? |
| 17:27.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | marmistrz: also what's the changelog and particularly the expected benefirs? I read some packages depend on sqlite3.7, why? |
| 17:27.21 | kerio | also, is it backwards-compatible with 3.6? |
| 17:27.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd hope it has seen some performance improvements |
| 17:27.59 | marmistrz | DocScrutinizer05: sqlite3.7 introduced some new functions |
| 17:28.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course I hope it's backward compatible ;-P |
| 17:28.07 | marmistrz | and is faster too |
| 17:28.09 | kerio | 2010 July 22 (3.7.0) |
| 17:28.11 | kerio | damn |
| 17:28.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 17:28.21 | marmistrz | I didn't notice any problems with it |
| 17:28.32 | marmistrz | while using it on my main N900 |
| 17:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, to notice problems, yyou first have to investigate what to test |
| 17:29.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually some databases are berkley |
| 17:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | we want to ignore these and tortzre the functions that actually depend on sqlite, obviously |
| 17:30.40 | marmistrz | I'm using many apps and no problems. |
| 17:30.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | but except from increased binary size I wouldn't expect any incompatibilities for sqlite engine upgrade, it's pretty standard and no special Nokia bits in it i'd hope |
| 17:31.17 | marmistrz | it's the harmattan version, so there should be no problems |
| 17:31.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | marmistrz: I'm also using many apps, but I usually know which of them depend on sqlite and which don't |
| 17:31.56 | kerio | harmattan version? |
| 17:32.00 | kerio | why not the latest stable? :c |
| 17:32.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 17:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | marmistrz: random testing of "many apps" is a tad too sloppy for CSSU QA |
| 17:33.58 | kerio | marmistrz: perhaps it's better to add it to community-devel and wait for more people to test it? |
| 17:34.12 | marmistrz | if I can use all my apps without problems (215 non-hidden) it should be compatible |
| 17:34.15 | marmistrz | kerio: it's a good idea |
| 17:34.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | marmistrz: we'd need some idea of what to test in detail |
| 17:34.30 | kerio | wait, why is my sqlite 2.8.17? |
| 17:34.36 | kerio | oh, sqlite3 |
| 17:35.30 | marmistrz | DocScrutinizer05: apt-cache show rdepends sqlite3 |
| 17:35.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, *I* know that |
| 17:35.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 17:35.57 | kerio | marmistrz: assuming maemo packages have correct deps |
| 17:36.29 | kerio | huh |
| 17:36.43 | kerio | reverse depends: scribo, mp-remantle-generic-pr funambol-cpp-api |
| 17:36.50 | kerio | *fremantle |
| 17:36.56 | kerio | god dammit nokia |
| 17:37.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | marmistrz: what I'm missing is a post somewhere that's listing all those (plus those that may be missing there) and suggests what to look for in all those apps, to detect any sleeping problem |
| 17:38.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the tmo thread only trackerd got some consideration like that |
| 17:38.18 | marmistrz | I'm working on meecolay right now, and would like to focus on it |
| 17:39.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | inclusion to CSSU won't happen without pkg maintainer support (==you) |
| 17:39.45 | kerio | ooooh |
| 17:39.46 | kerio | ok |
| 17:39.48 | kerio | this is better |
| 17:39.57 | kerio | apt-cache rdepends libsqlite3-0 |
| 17:40.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | even after inclusion you usually should sustain maintenance, in case any issue rises |
| 17:40.15 | kerio | wait, wtf does funambol-cpp-api depend on *the command line utility*? |
| 17:41.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | marmistrz: any distro usually rather kicks out unmaintained packages, even after years of inclusion, rather than embrace and include them |
| 17:42.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | marmistrz: distro maintainers usually only can do packaging support, not mainenance of your package |
| 17:44.47 | merlin1991 | marmistrz: in short if you support yolur sqlite3 source in the future and there is a sane rationale to inlcude it, it will end up in cssu ;) |
| 17:45.43 | kerio | marmistrz: which version is this? |
| 17:46.16 | kerio | hmm, 3.7.7 |
| 17:46.25 | kerio | and the current release is 3.7.14 |
| 17:46.35 | kerio | damn, released two days ago |
| 17:46.36 | kerio | neat |
| 17:46.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know recently several poeple think CSSU should become a dump for packages that somebody considers "should go to CSSU" for whatever reason. But we are short on manpower and there's already lots of work with packages pending since long and package maintainers willing to take responsibility of their package. We can't pick up what's getting dumped in front of our door |
| 17:46.59 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: stop ranting, marmistrz means well |
| 17:48.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, I'm just trying to explain the somewhat uncomfortable situation the we experience here lately, not at last due to guys like estel and others promoting a radical change in CSSU policies |
| 17:48.27 | kerio | why are you so obsessed by estel? :o |
| 17:50.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: but probably you're right, your oneliner said it all |
| 17:50.57 | kerio | there is a sane rationale |
| 17:51.10 | kerio | the stock sqlite3 is old as shit |
| 17:51.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not a sane rationale |
| 17:51.28 | marmistrz | gotta go |
| 17:51.32 | kerio | and the new one makes both conversations and mediaplayer faster |
| 17:51.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's better |
| 17:52.22 | kerio | also there's a growing need for an updated version and the alternative would be DLL hell |
| 17:52.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | where's the growing need? |
| 17:52.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd like to learn about that |
| 17:56.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all such growing need might indicate there's even more to it than simply going 0.1 version up. Maybe we can handle this growing need properly only with what you've suggested: most recent upstream version |
| 18:02.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | speed increase is fine and a good argument (at least when both versions are plain upstream, not anything heavily tweaked by Nokia possibly to fit into fremantle resp HARM system/platform), for the benefit of not doing sloppy just because, I'd like to get the complete picture (icl where the binary lives, what's the diff in binary size as well as in app memory footprint) to feel comfortable with whatever I suggest regarding inclusion |
| 18:02.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | to CSSUI |
| 18:09.46 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: too lsate, marmistrz is gone ,) |
| 18:10.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I can't find any link or pointer to those new packages that depend on sqlite3, on tmo thread. Could you point into some direction for me? |
| 18:10.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: I 'argued' with kerio :-) |
| 18:10.56 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: kerio is a *luser* no point in arguing ;) |
| 18:11.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope marmistrz will come back to receive his account and git repo |
| 18:12.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: nah, kerio has really good points every now and then, when he's not currently trolling |
| 18:12.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas it's sometimes changing in one post between trollmode and good points |
| 18:13.23 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: I've got his email, so i'll contact him as soon as I'll find time |
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| 18:13.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine, much appreciated |
| 18:14.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't want to sound rude, seems I should get some conversation training |
| 18:15.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | or better filters, maybe at netfilter level, to relieve some of the constant bitching at me |
| 18:18.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hard to keep up a good mood when you have to deal with stuff like "I want a pink pony!!!!1!1!" [me:]"but you're in a dentist's office here, we got no ponies at all" "Look at Doc, this asshole doesn't like pink ponies! Doc you'll see pink ponies will conquer the world. And now GIVE ME MY PINK PONY, SUCKER!" |
| 18:18.51 | freemangordon | yeah, sounds lika a good idea :P |
| 18:19.45 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: no ponies? |
| 18:19.53 | merlin1991 | you have to be a serious man ;) |
| 18:19.53 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: well, when everybody else somehow manage to do it (usually) there is no reason you can't ;) |
| 18:22.40 | freemangordon | merlin1991: is the list for -testing update ready? |
| 18:22.51 | merlin1991 | sec |
| 18:24.20 | merlin1991 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1187630/ |
| 18:24.49 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.55 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: ^^ |
| 18:25.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I finally managed to spot the details that got me started at least. Been reports on tmo about browser not suffering or benefitting from aqlite3, and >>[2012-09-05 19:38:18] <marmistrz> I'm working on meecolay right now, and would like to focus on it<< |
| 18:26.26 | freemangordon | merlin1991: thanks. I'll have to make a post on TMO so -thumb users to wait until I am ready. Otherwise thay'll have to install Qt twice :D |
| 18:26.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess merlin1991 also has some stuff to focus at, so who's going to maintain sqlite3 package? |
| 18:26.56 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: who maintains hildon-desktop? |
| 18:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably the one of "us" who pulled it in |
| 18:27.17 | freemangordon | or modest, tinymail, etc |
| 18:27.24 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: no |
| 18:27.54 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: it's arcean who does it ;)= |
| 18:27.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? it's been you and you're too busy now with other stuff? |
| 18:28.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 18:28.19 | merlin1991 | and the one of "us" would be thp / mag |
| 18:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 18:28.36 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: thus my point ;) |
| 18:29.01 | merlin1991 | yeah we heaven't droped any packaet yet due to missing maintainers |
| 18:29.11 | merlin1991 | but on the other hand we didn't have any issues with bugs not fixed so far |
| 18:29.19 | merlin1991 | s/packaet/packages/ |
| 18:29.30 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh god don't start with the ponies |
| 18:29.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't institute a right for package maintainers to drop stuff here and go like "I'm busy with outher stuff, please include it to CSSU" |
| 18:29.40 | kerio | a couple friend of mine are MLP fanboys |
| 18:30.40 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: not that i would like such behaviour, but in case anything goes FUBAR we can alwasy revert |
| 18:30.49 | freemangordon | *always |
| 18:31.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | right, at least with such easy to handle stuff like sqlite.so |
| 18:31.36 | kerio | hmm, i wonder if you can rdepends with a version |
| 18:31.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why you didn't hear me shouting "NAAAW! core system, RISK!" |
| 18:31.59 | freemangordon | and having in mind that sqlite3 is wide spread .so, so even if we hit some bug in such an old version, i can bet it will be already fixed upstraem |
| 18:32.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:32.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | my words |
| 18:32.19 | freemangordon | peace :P |
| 18:33.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: why not? |
| 18:33.11 | kerio | because apt doesn't support it :c |
| 18:33.13 | kerio | dammit |
| 18:33.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ummm... |
| 18:33.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I got you wrong |
| 18:34.06 | kerio | i meant apt-cache rdepends libsqlite3-0>=3.7 |
| 18:34.11 | kerio | well |
| 18:34.20 | kerio | i meant apt-cache rdepends "libsqlite3-0>=3.7" |
| 18:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, a query |
| 18:34.31 | kerio | but it doesn't work that easily |
| 18:35.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd consider that lack a flaw in API of apt |
| 18:35.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a reasonable usecase for that, aiui |
| 18:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if manpages may help |
| 18:38.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | back to real productive work, where's that link merlin1991 posted |
| 18:38.40 | merlin1991 | which link? |
| 18:39.25 | freemangordon | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1187630/ |
| 18:39.26 | freemangordon | ? |
| 18:39.33 | merlin1991 | ah :D |
| 18:40.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | busybox-dbg_1.10.2.legal-1osso31+0cssu0_armel.deb |
| 18:40.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | really? |
| 18:40.38 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: what is your question? |
| 18:40.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | why do we need debug package? |
| 18:40.56 | freemangordon | what? |
| 18:41.07 | freemangordon | come on, it is in .changes file |
| 18:41.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | assuming -dbg_ means debug |
| 18:41.31 | freemangordon | yes, but it is installed anly if you apt-get install it |
| 18:41.36 | freemangordon | *only |
| 18:41.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 18:42.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought it's the list of packages that get shipped with next T release |
| 18:42.44 | freemangordon | yes, it is, but -mp thing depends only on part of them |
| 18:42.46 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: is just did a ls toupdate/ | pastenbinit |
| 18:43.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 18:43.02 | merlin1991 | as freemangordon mp only depends on a subset of those |
| 18:43.26 | merlin1991 | s/freemangordon/freemangpordon said/ |
| 18:43.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | which bb version is this now? the bloated power flavour or the bugfixed basic one, or even something 'old'? |
| 18:43.58 | kerio | stock+SIGWINCH patch |
| 18:44.02 | merlin1991 | just stock maemo + protrait fix from pali |
| 18:44.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 18:44.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | (though I admit I still haven't wrapped my head around that bug) |
| 18:45.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably because I never use *any* portrait mode ;-) |
| 18:45.26 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's basically busybox shitting the bed when the terminal size changes |
| 18:45.30 | kerio | in a weird way |
| 18:45.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, never encountered that on zoom |
| 18:45.48 | kerio | i suppose it would be the same if you changed your text size from smallest to largest in a single step? |
| 18:46.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe |
| 18:46.04 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 18:46.16 | kerio | merlin1991: sure it is, change the text size from the settings :) |
| 18:46.23 | kerio | like, the menu |
| 18:46.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | right |
| 18:47.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's new in cssu-enabler? |
| 18:47.34 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: a really bad idea |
| 18:47.40 | kerio | uninstall script |
| 18:47.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 18:48.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ham I guess has seen some love from Pali, plus red-pill-mode? |
| 18:48.44 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh, you don't know? |
| 18:48.49 | kerio | (i assume it's the same version that's in -devel) |
| 18:48.58 | kerio | now apt-worker **is closed** when you close ham's window |
| 18:49.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | WOW! :-D |
| 18:50.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | just hoping it finished any *real* work at that point in time ;-) |
| 18:50.45 | kerio | imo if you use HAM you deserve the worst |
| 18:51.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsckng upstart, what's the story with this? |
| 18:52.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I smell RISK |
| 18:52.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka core system |
| 18:53.10 | kerio | hehe i've got a way to seriously piss DocScrutinizer05 off |
| 18:53.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh, amybe just some patches in initscripts? |
| 18:53.22 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the new upstart works for me! |
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| 18:55.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I feel yet a bit uncomfortable with upstart and policy-settings-rx51 (though pali promised it's absolutely identical), rest ok in my book |
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| 18:55.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc about upstart. What's been done for it? |
| 18:56.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | err was it Pali? fmg maybe? |
| 18:57.23 | kerio | oh |
| 18:57.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: you may want to actually copy the repo and toss me "url" so I can test update from an "outside" POV |
| 18:57.34 | kerio | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.35 | kerio | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.41 | kerio | it's like two changed files |
| 18:58.05 | kerio | one is the .awk script for fstab, the other is /etc/default/mount-opts |
| 18:58.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, why is this needed? (not to say I'd bother too much) |
| 18:58.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: thanks |
| 18:58.32 | kerio | oh, btw, the latter change kinda fights with kernel-power |
| 18:58.34 | kerio | or, rather |
| 18:58.40 | kerio | with a modification done by kernel-power |
| 18:58.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | WUT? |
| 18:59.00 | kerio | sh /etc/kernel-power/pre-mount || true # KERNEL-POWER-HOOK |
| 18:59.15 | kerio | that's appended to /etc/default/mount-opts by kernel-power |
| 18:59.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 18:59.30 | kerio | indeed |
| 19:00.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | has anybody checked security concerns regarding running stuff from VFAT? |
| 19:00.43 | kerio | it's basically a kludge done to allow the user to enable/disable/force fsck of home |
| 19:00.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I mean, no proper owner, no suid bits, no group...) |
| 19:00.59 | kerio | of course it has a proper owner |
| 19:01.01 | kerio | user:users |
| 19:01.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | globally |
| 19:01.16 | kerio | er |
| 19:01.17 | kerio | user:root |
| 19:01.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and safe as long that's not root:root |
| 19:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 19:01.37 | kerio | c: |
| 19:01.57 | kerio | both mydocs and mmc1 are mounted with uid=29999 |
| 19:02.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine, now we only need to get suid-emulation as well |
| 19:02.10 | kerio | while we're there we should probably add nosgid in addition to nosuid |
| 19:02.25 | kerio | and maybe gid=<users> |
| 19:02.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | right, something along that line |
| 19:03.02 | kerio | would a change in gid affect stuff? |
| 19:03.18 | kerio | meh, this kernel-power hook is really stupid |
| 19:03.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and first one to come pestering me with "but sudo gainroot..." will get killed by shooting with owl shit |
| 19:03.40 | kerio | but sudo gainroot! |
| 19:04.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | NO SIR, *MY* sudo gainroot ASKS for proper root password |
| 19:05.03 | kerio | **MY** sudo gainroot complains about the rd-flag |
| 19:05.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 19:05.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | my HAM allows installing of rootsh without asking anything :-/ |
| 19:05.40 | kerio | mine either :c |
| 19:06.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't there a way to teach apt to never again touch that package? |
| 19:07.47 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: add eeeeevil "catalog", install evil package, root |
| 19:08.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders a wrapper around apt-get/apt-worker that immediately nukes any newly installed rootsh et al |
| 19:08.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, BS |
| 19:08.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I need a HDsu wrapper around apt-* |
| 19:09.18 | kerio | no, you need a HDsu around HAM |
| 19:09.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | or that |
| 19:09.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | should call it a day |
| 19:12.58 | chem|st | X-Fade: ping |
| 19:13.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | wanders off, idly pondering how to write a hdsu with minimal effort, mumbles "zenity --entry --hide-text ..." |
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| 19:17.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait, what's [2012-09-05 20:24:49] <merlin1991> + microb and obedx / rtcom-eventlogger-async |
| 19:17.32 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: HAM should be passworded, to be fair |
| 19:17.34 | kerio | actually, easier |
| 19:17.43 | kerio | it should ask for the protection code |
| 19:18.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's with microB? |
| 19:18.15 | kerio | engine update i think? |
| 19:18.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I probably won't completely grok rtcom-eventlogger-async) |
| 19:18.31 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: what do you mean |
| 19:18.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | what has been fixed/done to microB? |
| 19:19.09 | merlin1991 | bug fix realted to colosing when you denied the connection dialog |
| 19:19.20 | merlin1991 | ouch my typing sucks |
| 19:19.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 19:19.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | how may lines of patch? |
| 19:19.53 | merlin1991 | check gitorious ;) |
| 19:20.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | is it tested? |
| 19:20.14 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 19:20.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm ok then |
| 19:20.30 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: for about 2 months, in -thumb |
| 19:20.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine with me |
| 19:20.48 | kerio | ...wat |
| 19:20.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | what works in thumb should work in plain as well |
| 19:20.58 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no it shouldn't |
| 19:21.04 | kerio | it's a completely different system! |
| 19:21.10 | freemangordon | WHAT? |
| 19:21.14 | freemangordon | bullshit |
| 19:21.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ignore him, he's trolling |
| 19:21.27 | kerio | c: |
| 19:21.51 | freemangordon | merlin1991: though upstart conflict with KP is a bad thing, maybe you should reconsider its inclusion |
| 19:22.20 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: what do you mean? also upstart conflicts with kp? |
| 19:22.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, except for slight discomfort regarding policy-settings-rx51 and rtcom-eventlogger-async I feel we might get a fine T rollout |
| 19:22.54 | kerio | merlin1991: the upgrade |
| 19:22.55 | freemangordon | not conflicts, but overwrite a modification made by KP. At least if you install it using apt-get |
| 19:23.07 | kerio | not sure if HAM will just ignore it and write the new config file |
| 19:23.14 | freemangordon | not sure what HAM does in such case |
| 19:23.19 | luf | DocS: what problem with -asynx? |
| 19:23.24 | luf | -async :) |
| 19:23.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | luf: I simply don't grok it |
| 19:23.46 | freemangordon | luf: he has no clue WTF is that :D |
| 19:23.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 19:23.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 19:24.01 | luf | :D Ok |
| 19:24.10 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: its a helper library needed by obexd (iirc) |
| 19:24.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, heard as much |
| 19:24.35 | luf | what is "grok" ? |
| 19:24.40 | freemangordon | aah |
| 19:24.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I fail to understand how much it impacts "normal" event logging |
| 19:25.00 | luf | No way impact. |
| 19:25.06 | freemangordon | "stranger in a(the) strange land" |
| 19:25.16 | freemangordon | luf: ^^^ |
| 19:25.27 | luf | It's only dbus daemon + client lib to access event logging (just read) |
| 19:25.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict grok |
| 19:27.39 | freemangordon | merlin1991: what ham will do in case there is a new version of a configuration file? |
| 19:27.56 | arcean | merlin1991: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/merge_requests/25 |
| 19:27.57 | arcean | ;D |
| 19:28.04 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 19:28.06 | luf | obexd can use only async backend. I see no comfort way to use rtcom-eventlogger async way so I took inspiration in ebook and wrote only some "async wrapper" for rtcom-eventlogger using dbus. |
| 19:28.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: I guess that's apt doing anything then |
| 19:28.46 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: iirc you may have a default behaviuor. And I think it is used, as apt-get asks |
| 19:28.55 | freemangordon | what to do |
| 19:29.01 | kerio | k |
| 19:29.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooooh, and I heard we got some supposedly bugfixed version of obnoxious opername widget |
| 19:29.14 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yep |
| 19:29.19 | kerio | haven't had the usual problem in a while now |
| 19:29.20 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 19:29.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ^^^ |
| 19:29.25 | kerio | so... i forgive you! <3 |
| 19:29.30 | merlin1991 | arcean: I'll get to together with sqlite3 when I've done this -testing release :D |
| 19:29.42 | kerio | although someone should really tell me how to stop this opername.log bullshit that's going on here |
| 19:30.05 | freemangordon | kerio: look at gitorious for the gconf key |
| 19:30.38 | kerio | k |
| 19:30.45 | kerio | it doesn't look like a complete log though |
| 19:31.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: please get latest opername-widget version |
| 19:31.24 | chem|st | == stable released == (test if you aren't scared) |
| 19:31.33 | freemangordon | LOL |
| 19:31.47 | freemangordon | camera-ui there? |
| 19:31.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: unless you decide to nuke it completely ;-) |
| 19:32.02 | merlin1991 | nuuuuuuuuuke ;) |
| 19:32.24 | merlin1991 | nah just menotring chem|st so I can not worry about -stable in the future |
| 19:32.26 | arcean | merlin1991: sure, thanks :) |
| 19:32.27 | freemangordon | merlin1991: no way, you'd better upgrade than leave the buggy version |
| 19:32.35 | kerio | ok, we definetely have a problem with operator-name-cbs-widget |
| 19:32.42 | merlin1991 | kerio: what? |
| 19:32.48 | kerio | the one from -devel |
| 19:32.56 | chem|st | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Community_SSU/ChangelogStable&action=submit#21.2011.38-1Smaemo4_.2805.09.2012.29 |
| 19:33.00 | kerio | logging_enabled and name_logging_enabled are both false |
| 19:33.05 | kerio | but i still get *part* of opername.log |
| 19:33.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 19:34.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's pretty weird |
| 19:34.56 | kerio | meh, it's just a log message that's not dependant by the gconf key |
| 19:35.06 | kerio | fixing it is just adding an if () { and a } |
| 19:35.14 | freemangordon | kerio: which one? |
| 19:35.21 | kerio | "service provider name match" |
| 19:35.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 19:35.39 | kerio | i don't have the source code in a greppable way |
| 19:35.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | could we still get THAT fix into T as well? |
| 19:36.06 | kerio | sure, it's a line |
| 19:36.10 | kerio | two |
| 19:36.21 | freemangordon | https://www.gitorious.org/community-ssu/operator-name-cbs-widget/blobs/9c19e807f04312b1e5d71d4283f4aa55bd152f0f/sbpluginsrc/operator-name-cbs-home-item.c#line690 |
| 19:36.49 | freemangordon | who the fuck invite that kind of logging :( |
| 19:36.57 | freemangordon | as if there are no macros |
| 19:37.06 | kerio | yeah, there are no macros anywhere |
| 19:37.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | awful, and it's crowded with that unconditional logging aiui |
| 19:37.43 | kerio | and also it uses stdio fopen/fprintf/fclose instead of posix open/write/close |
| 19:37.59 | kerio | no, no, "namelog" is the gconf key i think |
| 19:38.03 | kerio | so add that to the if |
| 19:38.16 | kerio | fun fact: stdio stuff has internal buffers |
| 19:38.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah right |
| 19:38.21 | kerio | so appending a line to a log is *not* atomic |
| 19:38.54 | kerio | it would be atomic if it was open()ed, write()d to and then close()d |
| 19:39.03 | freemangordon | merlin1991: could you fix at least that and include that shit in current upgrade, i'll cleanup the code (in 1-2 weeks) |
| 19:39.05 | kerio | also nothing checks the return value of open, write or close |
| 19:39.37 | freemangordon | kerio: well, it is not so important for debug logs |
| 19:39.49 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: please rephrease tht wihout shit but proper explanationt :) |
| 19:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/else if (priv->service_provider_name && !strcasecmp(priv->operator_name,priv->service_provider_name))/else if (priv->service_provider_name && !strcasecmp(priv->operator_name,priv->service_provider_name) && namelog)/ |
| 19:39.57 | merlin1991 | also don't mind my typos ;) |
| 19:40.27 | freemangordon | merlin1991: fix https://www.gitorious.org/community-ssu/operator-name-cbs-widget/blobs/9c19e807f04312b1e5d71d4283f4aa55bd152f0f/sbpluginsrc/operator-name-cbs-home-item.c#line690 |
| 19:40.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.gitorious.org/community-ssu/operator-name-cbs-widget/blobs/9c19e807f04312b1e5d71d4283f4aa55bd152f0f/sbpluginsrc/operator-name-cbs-home-item.c#line687 |
| 19:40.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: dammit, check for namelog first! |
| 19:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 19:40.59 | kerio | ...actually it could be a macro that checks gconf |
| 19:41.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | rrrright |
| 19:41.13 | freemangordon | merlin1991: and include the fixed version in current -testing |
| 19:41.14 | kerio | ...HOLY SHIT |
| 19:41.21 | freemangordon | kerio: no shit :P |
| 19:41.26 | kerio | that code is horrible |
| 19:41.52 | freemangordon | merlin1991: so we will have a version that fixes missing operator name when roaming |
| 19:42.04 | freemangordon | i'll cleanup the code on gitorious |
| 19:42.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | the results of learning C by stuudying disassemler listings ;-D |
| 19:42.16 | kerio | hahaha |
| 19:42.37 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: well, did you look at my RE work? |
| 19:42.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh you also leant C that wayß ;-D |
| 19:43.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 19:43.04 | freemangordon | exactly |
| 19:43.09 | freemangordon | :D |
| 19:43.18 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: when? |
| 19:43.41 | freemangordon | merlin1991: when I will cleanup the code? |
| 19:43.45 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 19:44.07 | freemangordon | when I am ready with new -thumb and have some spare time |
| 19:44.19 | freemangordon | I hope in 1-2 weeks |
| 19:44.26 | freemangordon | hmm, 2-3 weeks :D |
| 19:44.38 | freemangordon | i am on holiday strting tomorrow ;) |
| 19:44.40 | kerio | ok, when will you fix the bug? |
| 19:44.47 | kerio | or someone, i suppose |
| 19:44.54 | freemangordon | I asked merlin to do that |
| 19:44.57 | freemangordon | now |
| 19:45.09 | freemangordon | before building for new -testing |
| 19:45.17 | freemangordon | it is one liner after all |
| 19:45.58 | merlin1991 | ah so it's changelog entry and we're done? |
| 19:46.02 | merlin1991 | then I can do it |
| 19:46.22 | kerio | yeah, just add namelog && to that check |
| 19:46.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw fopen() for each single line to log is kinda .oO(@???0?!) |
| 19:46.31 | merlin1991 | it only seemed as if you have todo some other stuff |
| 19:46.41 | kerio | actually, the whole logging block should have a single condition i suppose |
| 19:46.52 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: meh |
| 19:47.39 | freemangordon | merlin1991: add && namelog here https://www.gitorious.org/community-ssu/operator-name-cbs-widget/blobs/9c19e807f04312b1e5d71d4283f4aa55bd152f0f/sbpluginsrc/operator-name-cbs-home-item.c#line687 |
| 19:47.48 | freemangordon | and you're good to go |
| 19:48.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | <freemangordon> it is one liner after all #### I actually pasted the sed command up here |
| 19:48.24 | freemangordon | there might be some other places, but i'll fix them when doing that cleanup |
| 19:49.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: some other places? |
| 19:49.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. other logs? |
| 19:50.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: actually you could rm the logs and see if the re-appear |
| 19:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | files* |
| 19:51.00 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: k |
| 19:51.20 | freemangordon | tbh I don't see any rationale for not using g_debug/g_warning/... |
| 19:51.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | except not being used to it? |
| 19:52.42 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I am not linux developer(at least not only), what now, shall I use OutputDebugString? |
| 19:53.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | not counting { and } lines, half the code seems to consist of |
| 19:53.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | FILE *f = fopen("/home/user/cbsms.log","at"); |
| 19:53.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | 258 |
| 19:53.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | fprintf(f,"%sincoming cell tower name %s, cell id %d\n",get_timestamp(),utf8,priv->cell_id); |
| 19:53.07 | freemangordon | yes |
| 19:53.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | 259 |
| 19:53.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | fclose(f); |
| 19:53.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | 260 |
| 19:53.21 | freemangordon | yes, yes, i'll clean that |
| 19:53.24 | freemangordon | :) |
| 19:54.34 | freemangordon | merlin1991: I think kerio will be glad to test it before the update is out :). So we will be sure it still works (i.e. does not segfaults) |
| 19:54.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | good plan |
| 19:54.52 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: that's the only entry that appears |
| 19:55.02 | kerio | at least, i think |
| 19:55.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: thanks a lot |
| 19:55.22 | kerio | just check every occurrence of "opername.log" |
| 19:55.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | the fastest bugfix in CSSU history ;-P |
| 19:56.19 | freemangordon | kerio: wrong, the check should be for fopen or fwrite :P |
| 19:56.32 | freemangordon | as there are several .log files |
| 19:56.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 19:56.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | two |
| 19:56.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 19:57.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | never got the rationale of that either |
| 19:58.07 | freemangordon | anyway, i'll trow that way, replacing the files with g_xxxxx stuff |
| 19:58.19 | freemangordon | *throw |
| 19:58.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | replace the logfile with a symlink to /dev/null ;-P |
| 19:58.45 | freemangordon | :D |
| 20:09.47 | *** join/#maemo-ssu M4rtinK (~M4rtinK@mail.melf.eu) |
| 20:13.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yawns loud |
| 20:13.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: a wrapper for hdsu is waaaay more useful than a patch to HAM |
| 20:14.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ...and more in line with general unix philosophy |
| 20:14.33 | kerio | which password do you ask for, though? |
| 20:15.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *could* compare encrypted password from user with whatever sits in etc/passwd |
| 20:15.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I think I'll just create a separate "password" for HAM |
| 20:17.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf, no cmdline interface to crypt(3) ? |
| 20:19.57 | kerio | sure there is |
| 20:20.00 | kerio | cryptpw |
| 20:20.26 | kerio | oh lol, it's in bb-p |
| 20:20.33 | kerio | how unconvenient! |
| 20:21.32 | kerio | also i hope the passwords won't be passed around as arguments |
| 20:24.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: definitely not ;-D |
| 20:25.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got my smal security ABC together |
| 20:25.21 | kerio | besides, if this is supposed to be a HAM-only password... |
| 20:25.47 | kerio | cat salt pass | md5 |
| 20:25.54 | kerio | er, md5sum |
| 20:26.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | mkpasswd (1) - Overfeatured front end to crypt(3) |
| 20:26.25 | kerio | haha |
| 20:26.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | (from desktop) |
| 20:26.52 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i have mkpasswd too |
| 20:27.01 | kerio | and it's still in busybox :D |
| 20:27.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | on fremantle? |
| 20:27.08 | kerio | er |
| 20:27.10 | kerio | busybox-power |
| 20:27.10 | kerio | yep |
| 20:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck! |
| 20:27.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | your suggestions seems fine enough |
| 20:27.46 | kerio | i've got fsck too |
| 20:27.49 | kerio | it's in e2fsprogs |
| 20:28.44 | kerio | anyway, serious HAM CSSU feature request: a setting to make HAM ask for the protection code before doing stuff |
| 20:29.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | always? only on interactive invocation? only when installing stuff? only when installing special stuff? |
| 20:29.34 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yes |
| 20:29.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | on every automatic check for updates? |
| 20:29.59 | kerio | serious HAM CSSU feature request: a way to disable the fucking autoupdate |
| 20:30.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | hahaha |
| 20:30.30 | kerio | i suppose it shouldn't ask for the code to update the repos |
| 20:30.38 | kerio | as for the rest, it should be configurable |
| 20:30.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds reasonable |
| 20:31.01 | kerio | [ ] Ask lock code when installing new packages |
| 20:31.13 | kerio | [ ] Ask lock code when upgrading normal packages |
| 20:31.24 | kerio | [ ] Ask lock code when doing system upgrades |
| 20:31.37 | kerio | [X] STOP THE FUCKING AUTOUPDATE |
| 20:31.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 20:32.03 | kerio | (those are separate check boxes) |
| 20:32.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | open a ticket! |
| 20:32.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | improvement |
| 20:32.30 | kerio | fo' srs tho |
| 20:32.50 | kerio | anyone that grabs my phone has root access |
| 20:33.01 | kerio | actually no |
| 20:33.05 | kerio | it's not about physical access |
| 20:33.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're eventually touching (resp already have touched) HAM anyway |
| 20:33.25 | kerio | anyone that can run and control HAM has root access |
| 20:33.27 | kerio | which is bad |
| 20:33.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:33.45 | kerio | everything else is kinda safe on my device |
| 20:33.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we need no aegis to fix that \o/ |
| 20:34.13 | kerio | asking for the lock code is kosher, right? |
| 20:34.22 | kerio | i mean, it's a nokia user thing |
| 20:34.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | should? |
| 20:34.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr nope, it's closed blob afaik |
| 20:34.52 | kerio | no, i meant that it's ok to ask for it |
| 20:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | no way to mess with lockcode |
| 20:34.59 | kerio | because users know what it is from the user manual |
| 20:35.00 | kerio | oh |
| 20:35.01 | kerio | :c |
| 20:35.58 | kerio | i don't want to mess with it, i just want the cute UI for it and then a check against the one stored in CAL |
| 20:36.10 | kerio | afaik it's just crypt(3)ed, right? |
| 20:36.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | we never get that thing completely tight, unless we find a way to tweak ROMBL code |
| 20:36.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 20:36.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it was, at least |
| 20:37.26 | kerio | i can't believe there's no /usr/bin/asklockcode that asks for the lock code and returns success or failure according to what the user inputs |
| 20:37.29 | kerio | :( |
| 20:37.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | blame Nokia |
| 20:38.11 | kerio | fukken nokia |
| 20:39.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | they never anticipated we (the devels) could come up with a usecase that's not including real locking of device in same context |
| 20:39.15 | kerio | or changing the code? |
| 20:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that is probably by purpose, for security reasons, so no rogue sw could change your lockcode and DoS you |
| 20:40.27 | kerio | >against rogue sw |
| 20:40.32 | kerio | >rootsh and sudser in repos |
| 20:40.37 | kerio | >passwordless HAM |
| 20:40.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 20:40.44 | kerio | s/repos/default repos/ |
| 20:40.51 | kerio | wait, is extras enabled by default? |
| 20:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:41.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | since PR1.1 |
| 20:41.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 20:42.31 | kerio | i thought it was there but disabled |
| 20:42.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I'm going with shellscript, zenity, md5sum and a file in /etc/ root:root 700 |
| 20:44.57 | kerio | use maemo-get-passwd |
| 20:45.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 20:46.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, but haha |
| 20:46.32 | kerio | maemo-get-passwd "Gimme the HAM pass yo" | cat salt - | md5sum -c savedhash |
| 20:46.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you tell me the secret cmdline option to make it hide the "confirm: >>__________<<" line... |
| 20:46.47 | kerio | oh |
| 20:46.50 | kerio | i don't think there's one |
| 20:47.31 | kerio | hrmpf |
| 20:47.36 | *** join/#maemo-ssu trumee (~parul@78-105-131-61.zone3.bethere.co.uk) |
| 20:47.45 | kerio | why the hell do i have zenmap installed? :s |
| 20:47.57 | kerio | oh, installed with nmap |
| 20:47.58 | kerio | meeeeeeeeh |
| 20:48.15 | kerio | hm, it's actually kinda cute |
| 20:48.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | zenmap? |
| 20:48.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | what does it do? |
| 20:48.33 | kerio | the official nmap UI |
| 20:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 20:48.40 | kerio | straight-up frontend |
| 20:48.47 | kerio | it even tells you which options it's going to pass to nmap |
| 20:49.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, thought it been named differently |
| 20:50.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | zenity --entry --hide-text |
| 20:51.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | good enough for me |
| 20:51.15 | kerio | is this an apt-worker frontend? |
| 20:51.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm?? |
| 20:52.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | cmdline GUI tool |
| 20:52.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | zenity --entry --hide-text -text "please enter code for HAM unlock!" |
| 20:52.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | +- |
| 20:53.01 | kerio | no, i meant |
| 20:53.06 | kerio | where are you going to put that? |
| 20:53.21 | kerio | around HAM? |
| 20:53.25 | kerio | around apt-worker? |
| 20:53.45 | kerio | please use dpkg-divert, in any case :) |
| 20:54.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | around HAM, for a start |
| 20:54.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | zenity --entry --hide-text --text "please enter code for HAM unlock\!" |
| 20:55.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, indeed! I'd not want any CSSU update to remove the wrapper my installing a new version of HAM into place of wrapper |
| 20:56.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/my/by/. |
| 20:56.44 | kerio | around ham you say |
| 20:56.44 | kerio | hm |
| 20:57.05 | kerio | so people can still sudo /the/correct/path/to/apt-worker |
| 20:57.07 | kerio | without a password |
| 20:57.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | they could, if they had the right sudoers.d-file |
| 20:57.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then, who cares about apt-worker? |
| 20:58.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | would it take any parameter to actually install a pkg? |
| 20:59.59 | kerio | ...huh |
| 21:00.00 | kerio | yeah? |
| 21:00.09 | kerio | and they *do* have the right sudoers.d file |
| 21:00.13 | kerio | it's the one **used by ham** |
| 21:00.27 | kerio | ham doesn't magically install shit |
| 21:00.32 | kerio | it's not run as root, thankfully |
| 21:01.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, so it's not HAM that's root but sudo apt-worker? I see |
| 21:03.05 | kerio | it's a bit silly though |
| 21:03.25 | kerio | i mean, it's not like it's less of a security risk |
| 21:03.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | and not really more complicated to plumb my hdsu in |
| 21:04.15 | kerio | yes, it is :) |
| 21:04.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | no it's not |
| 21:04.24 | kerio | now you have to input the password every time apt-worker is restarted |
| 21:04.29 | kerio | aka on every operation |
| 21:04.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, because I'm a smart sucker ;-P |
| 21:04.41 | kerio | k |
| 21:05.24 | kerio | btw, <DocScrutinizer05> [...] I'm a [...] sucker [...] |
| 21:08.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might even exploit sudo's own timeout password cache facility |
| 21:08.54 | kerio | ooh, how? |
| 21:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | tricky |
| 21:09.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | still pondering |
| 21:11.28 | kerio | oh |
| 21:11.31 | kerio | we're stupid |
| 21:11.39 | kerio | and by we i mean you, because you're the one doing this |
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| 21:12.01 | kerio | -A (askpass) |
| 21:12.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | something like [`id` -eq 0] && apt-worker "$@" || zenity --entry | sudo $0 "$@" ? |
| 21:12.24 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: remember that HAM calls "sudo apt-worker" |
| 21:12.38 | kerio | askpass option in sudoers |
| 21:12.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 21:12.39 | kerio | neat |
| 21:12.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | something like [`id` -eq 0] && apt-worker_real "$@" || zenity --entry | sudo $0 "$@" ? |
| 21:13.13 | kerio | no, because that program would always run as `id` -eq 0 |
| 21:13.14 | *** join/#maemo-ssu nox- (noident@freebsd/developer/nox) |
| 21:13.31 | kerio | unless you mean that you wrap around HAM and then add this |
| 21:13.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, right |
| 21:13.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 21:14.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *really* should call it a day |
| 21:14.50 | kerio | just find a way to make HAM call apt-worker with -A |
| 21:15.07 | kerio | and then manually change the sudoers line |
| 21:15.33 | kerio | hell, serious CSSU improvement: HAM should call "sudo -A apt-worker" |
| 21:15.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, how am I going to do that? |
| 21:17.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll probably change the apt-worker sudoers.d-file to not allow user to call it. Then wrap HAM into sudo |
| 21:18.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | since I probably don't give a shit if HAM is run as root instead as user |
| 21:18.41 | kerio | i hope your root user can sudo whatever it wants with NOPASSWD |
| 21:18.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:18.54 | kerio | if so, you can just remove hildon-application-manager.sudoers |
| 21:18.55 | kerio | :) |
| 21:19.06 | kerio | oh nvm |
| 21:19.10 | kerio | that's exactly what you said |
| 21:19.16 | kerio | (kinda) |
| 21:19.23 | kerio | hm, i'm still not convinced this is a neat way to do that |
| 21:19.31 | kerio | sudo's askpass feels better |
| 21:20.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'll exploit it for invoking HAM |
| 21:20.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | mv hildon-application-manager hildon-application-manager_real |
| 21:21.19 | kerio | no! |
| 21:21.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | create a shellscript hildon-application-manager that just does sudo -A hildon-application-manager_real |
| 21:21.26 | kerio | use a dpkg divert! :D |
| 21:21.39 | kerio | also isn't HAM one of the maemolauncherized applications? |
| 21:21.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, I'll do that. Will ask you how to do |
| 21:22.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAHAHA good point |
| 21:22.41 | kerio | still, you should divert the symlink |
| 21:22.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2012-07-18 23:07 /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager -> /usr/bin/maemo-invoker |
| 21:23.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | fuuuuck |
| 21:23.29 | kerio | dpkg-divert --divert /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager --rename /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager.orig |
| 21:23.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't help at all |
| 21:24.05 | kerio | and then just make your shell script run maemo-invoker /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager.launch |
| 21:24.07 | kerio | :) |
| 21:24.11 | kerio | well |
| 21:24.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | invoking /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager starts maemo-invoker which in turn does dbus chat to his own elder already running instance afaik |
| 21:25.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | the older instance starts /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager.launch |
| 21:25.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously NOT as root |
| 21:25.23 | kerio | SUDO_ASKPASS=maemo-get-passwd sudo maemo-invoker /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager.launch |
| 21:25.27 | kerio | gaah |
| 21:25.31 | kerio | SUDO_ASKPASS=maemo-get-passwd sudo -A maemo-invoker /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager.launch |
| 21:25.59 | kerio | ... |
| 21:26.01 | kerio | oh fuck me |
| 21:26.05 | kerio | this isn't gnu sudo, is it |
| 21:26.19 | kerio | GOD FUCKING DAMMIT NOKIA |
| 21:26.29 | kerio | WHY DO YOU ALWAYS SHIT THE BED LIKE THIS |
| 21:26.46 | kerio | THE N900 CAN RUN FUCKING OPENOFFICE |
| 21:26.51 | kerio | IT CAN HANDLE A SLIGHTLY BIGGER SUDO |
| 21:27.04 | kerio | doesn't even know why he bothers |
| 21:27.13 | kerio | shakes his fist at Elop, just because |
| 21:27.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | no -A ? |
| 21:27.23 | kerio | nope |
| 21:28.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually... |
| 21:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu inprovement request ( (c) kerio): get newer sudo with proper support for -A and genuine subdirs, get rid of update-sudoers abomination |
| 21:30.05 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: a proper sudo would just complain about a lack of tty when launched by HAM |
| 21:30.10 | kerio | and would try the default askpass |
| 21:30.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | hte increased size of sudo binary easily gets balanced by the obsolete bloated /etc/sudoers then |
| 21:30.37 | kerio | yay |
| 21:30.49 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'm sure you'll check for all the edge cases :) |
| 21:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll do |
| 21:31.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 |
| 21:37.19 | kerio | =D |
| 21:37.24 | kerio | i'm useful, yay |
| 21:50.49 | JZA | hi DocScrutinizer05 I got my phone updated to Maemo 5 SSU |
| 21:51.16 | JZA | DocScrutinizer05: however I still get a .ini error message when I tried to use the Extended features app |
| 21:51.32 | JZA | I followed the CSSU wikipage |
| 21:51.42 | JZA | and got the testing repos |
| 21:52.25 | JZA | I can use the 'fix config' but I am not sure if I should yet |
| 21:52.34 | JZA | want to ask your opinion. |
| 21:53.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not using it, since I gather the extended features app is unmaintained and out of sync to cssu |
| 21:53.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | check http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features instead |
| 21:55.33 | JZA | ok |
| 21:55.52 | kerio | yeah, just edit transitions.ini manually |
| 21:59.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | well there's a transitions editor too, no? |
| 21:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | or am I mistaken and that_is_ the cssu-features editor |
| 22:00.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | one is living in settings, the other in powerbutton-menu |
| 22:00.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | one of them never really worked since it always complaints about .ini incompatibility, the other one... dunno |
| 22:02.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU tuner (living in settings) seems to "work" |
| 22:02.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | the other one in powerbutton menu is the one complaining |
| 22:04.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | should get rid of that one |
| 22:06.58 | JZA | I see this clarifies it yet. Should I get rid of this CSSU features then? |
| 22:07.08 | JZA | I think I got the one that always complains about transitions.ini |
| 22:12.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | JZA: I think there's not much use in a CSSU features editor that doen't know about a significant percentage of currently available features and even wants to reset .ini file to a version that doesn't have all those features |
| 22:13.26 | JZA | I see, so should I limit myself to gconf? |
| 22:13.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | JZA: as stated above, try "CSSU Tuner" |
| 22:13.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | it kinda works for me |
| 22:14.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | might still miss some new features but at least doesn't barf up on them |
| 22:14.09 | JZA | ok |
| 22:14.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the rest you're left with gconftool ;-) |
| 22:15.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and editor of your choice for the transitions.ini file |
| 22:16.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | while somebody should either kick ass of some cssu tweaker tool maintainer, or claim maintainership and finally update that stuff and move it to cssu-extras |
| 22:17.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | since, while it's not strictly fulfilling the prerequisite of "not distributable via extras(-*) repos" it still is *clearly* a CSSU-only package, at least since it's completely useless on non-CSSU systems |
| 22:21.12 | JZA | oddly I cant find CSSU Tuner on my repo, maybe I need to get an extra repo? or I can install it directly. |
| 22:21.47 | JZA | I do have Community SSU (testing) repo. |
| 22:24.54 | chem|st | cssu features is in extras don't know about tuner lmc |
| 22:26.01 | chem|st | cssutransitionstuner is in extras-testing |
| 22:30.12 | JZA | ok got it, is on extras-dev |
| 22:30.40 | kerio | JZA: don't use them |
| 22:30.42 | kerio | they're all kinda bad |
| 22:31.29 | JZA | so whats the .deb URL for the package? |
| 22:32.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | JZA: you probably don't want Community SSU (testing) repo. |
| 22:32.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | err sorry, nonsense |
| 22:32.43 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but cssu-stable is old! |
| 22:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: what's bad with cssutransitionstuner? |
| 22:34.15 | kerio | hm, i actually don't know |
| 22:34.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems to 'just work' for me, even while it's missing a few features |
| 22:34.34 | kerio | it's only for transitions.ini though |
| 22:34.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 22:34.52 | kerio | meh, i edited very little of it |
| 22:35.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-09-06 00:14:51] <DocScrutinizer05> for the rest you're left with gconftool ;-) [2012-09-06 00:15:11] <DocScrutinizer05> and editor of your choice for the transitions.ini file |
| 22:35.18 | kerio | like, the only thing is that i made the background for tasknav and launcher stay still |
| 22:35.38 | kerio | and also parallax 1 for the home screens |
| 22:35.43 | kerio | but i only have one screen anywayt |
| 22:35.44 | kerio | anyway |
| 22:36.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I need to redo a few transition speedups, particularly flying thumbnails in taskswitcher (on ctrl-bs) |
| 22:37.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | while it looks 'cool' it actually sucks when too slow, it will not notice ctrl-release |
| 22:37.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | so no fast switching between two apps |
| 22:37.32 | kerio | oh, i don't have that one |
| 22:37.35 | kerio | i don't like it :c |
| 22:37.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I like it a lot |
| 22:38.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | switching between two apps back and forth in 0.1s |
| 22:38.14 | kerio | i find it faster to ctrl+bs and then q/w/e/r/a/s/d/f |
| 22:38.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I can do that still |
| 22:38.49 | kerio | yeah but the initial ctrl+bs changes stuff |
| 22:38.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | just release ctrl before bs |
| 22:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 22:40.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm using alt-tab all day long on my PC, wouldn't want to miss it on N900 |
| 22:42.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd like to add some 2 more hotkeys to the q/w/e/r/a/s/d/f: one for going 'up' to desktop, and one to go 'down' to app launcher menu |
| 22:43.17 | kerio | maybe ctrl+bs :) |
| 22:43.19 | kerio | oh no, up to desktop |
| 22:43.21 | kerio | nvm |
| 22:43.25 | kerio | hmm |
| 22:43.29 | kerio | up and down? :) |
| 22:43.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and app launcher could use a search feature just like e.g. in contacts |
| 22:50.41 | JZA | DocScrutinizer05: so how can I launch the CSSU Tuner? |
| 22:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | öook at settings |
| 22:51.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | look* |
| 22:51.25 | JZA | ah thanks |
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| 22:56.18 | kerio | wait, isn't cssu tuner a program? |
| 22:58.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, kinda |
| 22:58.47 | kerio | i don't remember it having a settings applet too |
| 22:58.59 | kerio | i remember it having a weird powerkey menu entry |
| 22:59.02 | kerio | for some stupid reason |
| 22:59.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, that's the other weird crap |
| 22:59.25 | chem|st | both are crap! |
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