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| 08:25.08 | chem|st | ivgalvez: would you mind to get your hands on nokia again to convince them to give out a few more devel devices to cssu?! (moh, merlin and me) I know they still have some, loaners would be fine with me |
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| 09:17.38 | ivgalvez | chem|st: I'd wish that was possible |
| 09:18.51 | ivgalvez | I think that Woody already commented that possibility with Qgil |
| 09:19.23 | ivgalvez | but there were no more devices or Nokia wasn't interested at all |
| 09:19.35 | ivgalvez | it would be better to talk with Woody about that |
| 09:19.50 | ivgalvez | however once we have a new contact in Nokia (if ever) |
| 09:19.55 | ivgalvez | we will try again |
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| 10:12.55 | chem|st | ivgalvez: good! I am considering to buy 2 devices from ebay for now |
| 10:13.05 | chem|st | merlin1991: do you need another device? |
| 10:24.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | N900? |
| 10:25.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | or rm6xx |
| 10:26.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: ^ |
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| 11:04.39 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: I'd take a n9 64gb as well ;) |
| 11:05.03 | kerio | meh, the n9 has aegis |
| 11:05.08 | chem|st | I need a second n900 to have testing and stable installed at the same time |
| 11:05.47 | chem|st | and actually I need a third for my girlfriend and a fourth for joy! |
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| 12:26.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: you on't have 5 already? |
| 12:26.49 | chem|st | nope |
| 12:26.51 | jon_y | so that's where all the N900 end up these days? |
| 12:27.00 | chem|st | yeap |
| 12:27.04 | jon_y | :) |
| 12:27.25 | chem|st | I'd actually like to have like 6... |
| 12:27.44 | jon_y | I just read the Galaxy S3 has a whopping 2GB of RAM, why can't a Nokia phone do that? :| |
| 12:27.48 | chem|st | to have at least one hardwired to my car... |
| 12:28.18 | jon_y | do that and run on pure unadulterated GNU/Linux |
| 12:28.21 | chem|st | jon_y: WTF? you do not compare devices with release date diff >2 month |
| 12:28.47 | jon_y | I mean there are no N-series anymore |
| 12:28.56 | chem|st | Nseries is dead |
| 12:28.59 | chem|st | Nokia is dead |
| 12:29.50 | chem|st | the only way how nokia could get back on track would be phoenixing maemo and symbian... |
| 12:30.14 | jon_y | or comodity phones, like PCs :) |
| 12:30.23 | jon_y | mix and match critter phones |
| 12:30.34 | jon_y | not sure if it'll actually fly though |
| 12:30.44 | jon_y | slot-in this and that |
| 12:31.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's not how embedded works |
| 12:32.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | neither technically nor economically |
| 12:32.16 | jon_y | yeap, which is why I'm not a product director of a company |
| 12:37.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | jon_y: the point is even complex chips are usually in the <10$ range, while tooling and b2b-connectors and housing with slots and flaps and screws costs fortunes and tends to get clumsy and of questionable reliability |
| 12:37.59 | jon_y | yeah, I can see that |
| 12:38.21 | jon_y | I have a friend who claimed she could solder surface mounted chips |
| 12:38.34 | jon_y | that itself sounds crazy |
| 12:38.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | not entirely |
| 12:38.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~joerg |
| 12:38.58 | infobot | rumour has it, joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 12:39.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~buzzfix |
| 12:39.16 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, buzzfix is http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/ and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-August/000267.html ff. |
| 12:39.40 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer51: how do you solder surface mount? |
| 12:39.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | depends on component |
| 12:40.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | 0402 get blown away by hot air, so solder them 'classic way' |
| 12:40.54 | jon_y | do you use flux or just the solder and metal? |
| 12:41.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | never without high class flux |
| 12:41.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | unless you use solder paste |
| 12:41.55 | jon_y | hmm solder paste |
| 12:42.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | solder paste not compatible with classic soldering though |
| 12:43.14 | jon_y | I have not used solder paste before |
| 12:43.23 | jon_y | only the classic soldering method |
| 12:44.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | solder paste is expensive, turns bad in 6 months, and only suited for reflow (hot air or IR) |
| 12:45.01 | jon_y | nope, I have no such equipment at home |
| 12:47.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | a pan with lid, filled with sand, is a tested reflow tool ;-) |
| 12:47.57 | jon_y | sand? |
| 12:48.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | fine sand |
| 12:48.43 | jon_y | heh, lung cancer :) |
| 12:49.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | eh? |
| 12:50.02 | jon_y | well, fine dust/sand/sawdust is known for causing tumor growth in the lung |
| 12:50.06 | jon_y | so I hear |
| 12:50.40 | chem|st | jon_y: so does living in a city |
| 12:51.04 | jon_y | well, you don't breath sand in the face of course |
| 12:51.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah, it's life causing that |
| 12:51.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | sand is absolutely harmless |
| 12:51.33 | chem|st | lately a study came to the conclusion that life kills people! |
| 12:51.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | particularly the cleaned white san you use for bird cages etc |
| 12:52.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | sand* |
| 12:52.17 | jon_y | hmm, no idea how fine those are |
| 12:52.35 | chem|st | we are not talking nano particles... |
| 12:52.48 | jon_y | average house dust might be a lot bigger, so not as dangerous :) |
| 12:52.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | not so fihe that it would build clouds |
| 12:53.08 | jon_y | :) |
| 12:54.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | we're still talking about sand, not about SiO2 dust |
| 12:55.04 | jon_y | ok, not too fine I guess |
| 12:55.17 | jon_y | not metalic dust |
| 13:09.04 | kerio | dihydrogen monoxide kills people! |
| 13:17.15 | chem|st | kerio: especially by drinking it! |
| 13:17.41 | kerio | well, fwiw *everything* has a LD_50 |
| 13:18.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | even neutrinos? |
| 13:18.34 | kerio | sure |
| 13:19.14 | kerio | well, you'd have to find a way to eat or drink a bunch of those |
| 13:20.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh, transcutane consumption doesn't count? |
| 13:21.58 | kerio | hm, i suppose it would |
| 13:23.24 | kerio | i bet the LD50 for neutrinos is bound from above by A(A(G, G), A(G, G)) |
| 13:23.34 | kerio | where A is the ackermann function and G is graham's number |
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| 15:23.44 | amiconn | also did a bit of soldering on surface mounted stuff |
| 15:24.05 | amiconn | Classic soldering only... it's possible as long as no bga is involved |
| 15:24.33 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: you know that charging the bupbat *is* something that cssu will have to add, right? |
| 15:24.54 | kerio | so, together with pselect, we need a cssu kernel |
| 15:25.08 | freemangordon | kerio: wait to see if it is charged or not |
| 15:25.23 | freemangordon | will discuss what to be done only if needed |
| 15:48.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: so what? |
| 15:48.45 | kerio | so kernel! yay! |
| 15:49.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, I thought we already agreed on kernel |
| 15:49.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | some kernel |
| 15:50.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | however I guess NOLO sets BBCFG to a sane value, and kernel not touching it at all |
| 15:51.10 | kerio | EWIN |
| 15:51.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | and that wouldn't be a real bug in the end |
| 15:59.31 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it is 0x1b |
| 15:59.36 | freemangordon | whatever it means |
| 16:01.09 | freemangordon | seems like enabled, lemme check the voltage |
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| 16:05.27 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: 3126 mV |
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| 16:53.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | 1b means: 'enabled' '3100mV' '1mA' |
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