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| 08:00.09 | merlin1991 | Pali: ping |
| 08:00.19 | Pali | merlin1991, pong |
| 08:01.09 | merlin1991 | do you have a modest build tree around? I'm wondering what goes into intltool-update.in, because here it is empty and the configure script fails thanks to that |
| 08:02.47 | Pali | in my modest tree there is no intltool-update.in file |
| 08:03.51 | merlin1991 | it got created on build time here |
| 08:04.16 | merlin1991 | something is wrong with my modest tree, I'll do a clean git clone |
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| 10:08.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | (([2012-08-23 19:43:25] <Estel_> I'm just interested what ham may do "better" than me manually about repos + fapman about installing (other than using off-line mode to install system ugprade, which I mimic anyway) )) A) CSSU installer is using HAM (we wouldn't want to install fapman just to install CSSU) B) CSSU is tested against HAM C) we investigated fapman just enough to know we don't want to support it and it may/does have |
| 10:08.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | problems when it comes to CSSU D) eventually CSSU comes with massive CSSU specific augments to HAM (not fapman) --> If you want to compare your weird method to the way CSSU installer works, you just have to learn about, and understand all that. Plus fapman, which for obvious reasons none of CSSU team is interested in learning about even more than we already did |
| 10:10.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure nobody of CSSU team will investigate, just to answer your "academic" question |
| 10:13.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw I doubt your manual method is any faster than (admittedly slow) HAM, just you have a lot to do manually while with standard CSSU installer & HAM you could use the time HAM needs to complete the task unattended and automatically, to do some more useful things rather than fuzzinh around with manual editing of repo lists, checking .desktop files and scripts and thinking how to replace all that using fapman |
| 10:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just hope you never ever forget to mention this weird way you installed and updated CSSU, whenever you report a bug against CSSU-T (or rather maybe don't even bother to report any bugs, since due to this installation method all those tickets shall get closed INVALID) |
| 10:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not reasonable to think about possible causes in that installation method when it comes to whatever bug report, just useless nonsensical complications |
| 10:22.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | It's a real pitty you basically refuse to help debugging CSSU-T just to satisfy your rather ideological aversion against HAM - after all it's just 5 min of calm waiting you had to bear with, once for each CSSU install/update |
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| 11:22.05 | Lava_Croft | Too bad that's not a criminal offense |
| 11:22.10 | Lava_Croft | Right? |
| 11:51.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, a pun! hahahaha |
| 11:53.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | almost missed it |
| 11:54.23 | Lava_Croft | faintly smiles at DocScrutinizer05 |
| 12:00.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's just that: a pity. CSSU could use every single tester, but it for sure doesn't need bug reports that in fact are against a non-standard installation and thus waste everybody's time |
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| 12:00.52 | Lava_Croft | I'm not the one who has to be convinced of anything in this case. :< |
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| 12:01.11 | Lava_Croft | But a bug is a bug. |
| 12:11.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and investigating where from a bug originates makes no sense for non-standard deprecated installs |
| 12:12.39 | Lava_Croft | depends on your definition of deprecrated? |
| 12:12.48 | Lava_Croft | since the n900 itself is deprecated, idk |
| 12:13.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | fapman definitely meets general definition of deprecated for CSSU |
| 12:13.07 | Lava_Croft | and tbh, these discussions are an utter waste of time and your good mood |
| 12:13.33 | Lava_Croft | estel isnt a 'noob' |
| 12:13.36 | Lava_Croft | so why bother |
| 12:13.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just hoping for the best (I.I. a change in habits), probably due to my good mood |
| 12:14.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E.* |
| 12:14.06 | chem|st | Lava_Croft: boon? |
| 12:14.13 | Lava_Croft | noob tobias? |
| 12:14.15 | Lava_Croft | oh wait |
| 12:14.17 | Lava_Croft | noob saibot was it |
| 12:15.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | N.B. we started that discussion since somebody had a problem with installing CSSU |
| 12:15.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | utterly useless to claim "I never seen those problems - I used fapman" |
| 12:16.00 | Lava_Croft | thats what i mean, why bother with estel and this situation |
| 12:16.18 | Lava_Croft | he isnt a random poor user that runs into a real bug |
| 12:16.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I tried to be polite to everybody |
| 12:16.40 | Lava_Croft | that would be a first, right? :P |
| 12:16.43 | Lava_Croft | ok, that was a bit low |
| 12:16.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | my usual answer would've been less friendly and educational |
| 12:18.17 | chem|st | OT I'd like to backupmenu my device before starting off with next cssu-s release, any idea where a how-to is as tmo seems outdated |
| 12:18.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I deliberately ignored the fact that Estel_ is no noob and should've known better |
| 12:19.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | howto for BM? useless, it's as straightforward as it gets |
| 12:19.20 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: noob/boon also specifies people not helping the game by ignoring rules/facts/needs |
| 12:19.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, wasn't aware of that definition |
| 12:20.01 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 12:20.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: install BM, boot with slider open |
| 12:20.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | see menu |
| 12:20.14 | chem|st | people whom do not learn from their mistakes are included |
| 12:20.19 | Lava_Croft | chem|st: yup |
| 12:20.27 | Lava_Croft | newbies are fine, noobs are not |
| 12:20.51 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: extras-devel and just that? the tmo thread is confusing with the bootmenu stuff |
| 12:21.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess so |
| 12:21.14 | Lava_Croft | chem|st: thats what i used |
| 12:21.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think most recent and best version is in -devel |
| 12:21.30 | Lava_Croft | i think that goes for a lot of applications |
| 12:21.35 | chem|st | Lava_Croft: newbies are noobs... noob is n00b 1337speak for newb |
| 12:21.44 | Lava_Croft | chem|st: not in my book |
| 12:21.48 | Lava_Croft | newbies are new players, noobs are not |
| 12:21.57 | Lava_Croft | well, they can be, but mostly they arent |
| 12:21.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict noob |
| 12:23.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> Criteria for being considered a newbie vary wildly...<< is the key |
| 12:24.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | language is dynamic and meanings change during periods of as short as some days |
| 12:24.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | see "hacker" |
| 12:24.54 | chem|st | yes.... but, so you join a group and do not adapt to it makes you a noob in all cases |
| 12:24.55 | Lava_Croft | hacker is someone who jailbreaks his iphone right |
| 12:24.59 | jon_y | I prefer statically typed language :) |
| 12:25.16 | jon_y | these days, following a script will get you that |
| 12:25.28 | jon_y | learn2read makes you a cool hacker |
| 12:25.55 | jon_y | I know because I jailbroken iphone back in the 3g days by following instructions on the internet :) |
| 12:26.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders opening a shop called typecast |
| 12:26.23 | jon_y | lol |
| 12:27.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | today's offer: our all-in-one extra-complete "cool hacker" box |
| 12:27.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | comes incl sweatshirt |
| 12:28.35 | chem|st | don't forget the 'hacked' reading iphone case! |
| 12:28.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 12:29.19 | jon_y | I made good money from jail breaking iphones, those guys paid me, without me asking, free money is cool too :) |
| 12:29.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | now that's one awesome business model |
| 12:30.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas it would require me buying a spyPhone |
| 12:30.09 | chem|st | "little boxes on the hillside, little boxes made of tikitaki, little boxes all the same" |
| 12:30.24 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: why? |
| 12:30.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, indeed |
| 12:30.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | for RL-advertising? |
| 12:31.43 | chem|st | you don't need an preyPhone.... you need a shirtlabeler and a foilplotter and a supply of blank preyPhone cases |
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| 22:24.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, now better chances to revive infobot when it's down :-) |
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| 23:48.12 | gregoa | merlin1991, DocScrutinizer05: I've policy-settings-rx51 0.4.10.8+0m5 installed from maemo.merlin1991.at (since it's there) and my device hasn't gone up in smoke yet. anything specific I should look out for? |
| 23:49.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | gregoa: sure :-) many thanks! please check all audio functions |
| 23:51.26 | ShadowJK | with default maemo install I was particulary impressed how listening to headphone music, receiving incoming call, it didn't blast caller with music or mute caller to me, it paused music. Same for bluetooth |
| 23:51.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever you can think of: BT headset, BT stereo music, wired same, speakerphone, normal phone, ringtones, recorder via internal mic & wired mic in headset & BT. FMRX to any possible sink, FMTX from any possible source |
| 23:51.52 | gregoa | DocScrutinizer05: phone calls work, sms notifications are noisy, I can play audio files. - and I don't have any fancy headset with buttons or BT to test ... |
| 23:52.12 | ShadowJK | re bluetooth, amusingly, listening to device-local bt a2dp audio is more reliable than listening to device-local through headphone :-) |
| 23:53.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, and of course AV-out |
| 23:54.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | gregoa: almost every headset has one button |
| 23:55.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | fancy multibutton wired headsets don't work with N900 anyway |
| 23:55.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | the headset that usually ships with every N900 has a button as well |
| 23:55.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | inside the mic blob |
| 23:56.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | just squeeze it |
| 23:58.29 | gregoa | DocScrutinizer05: ah right, just found the original headset and it has a button :) what is it supposed to do? i.e. how can I test it? |