| 00:07.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: sysadmin? |
| 00:07.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://xkcd.com/705/ |
| 00:08.58 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: along the lines ;) |
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| 06:58.47 | kerio | merlin1991: i still can't believe that you won't use cat6 :( |
| 06:59.16 | kerio | it's like one whole more cat |
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| 10:13.41 | Jaffa | Hi, anyone seen https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12564 - andre__'s linked to an upstream patch for a resource leak in microb-engine |
| 10:13.43 | povbot | Bug 12564: microb-engine: Daemon does not shut down properly when no connection and browser closed when connection dialog opens |
| 10:14.22 | andre__ | I'm not too optimistic seeing the progress of my reports so far :/ |
| 10:14.31 | andre__ | (which is no criticism, just missing manpower, I guess) |
| 10:14.57 | freemangordon | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/microb-engine/commit/73ead33cb1df986e923b00b1290798086f9eb706 |
| 10:15.10 | andre__ | Yay. |
| 10:15.18 | andre__ | but why no comment in bugzilla? |
| 10:15.40 | freemangordon | as it is still on gitorious only ( and in cssu-thumb) |
| 10:15.51 | andre__ | I see... still cannot hurt :) |
| 10:15.55 | andre__ | thanks! |
| 10:16.00 | freemangordon | nothing released in -testing so far |
| 10:17.09 | freemangordon | np :) |
| 10:19.27 | Jaffa | Still, I agree with andre__ - comment in Bugzilla wouldn't hurt to show that the package is imported into CSSU gitorious and that the patch has been included |
| 10:25.38 | freemangordon | Jaffa: while i agree it is good, it works a little bit different according to what was agreed in CSSU. https://garage.maemo.org/pm/task.php?func=detailtask&project_task_id=1982&group_id=2300&group_project_id=3864 |
| 10:26.32 | freemangordon | have in mind there is no even internal build (besides thumb, but it's not official) |
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| 10:38.15 | Jaffa | freemangordon: It was agreed that there'd not even be a *comment* on the bug report? Citation needed, because - frankly - that's bonkers. |
| 10:38.35 | Jaffa | freemangordon: If a bug looks like it's not moved, someone else might try and pick it up and end up duplicating work. |
| 10:45.18 | freemangordon | Jaffa: well, it is hard to believe someone outside CSSU will start to fix bugs against CSSU. You probably missed it, but it was agreed that internal activities will be tracked through garage project. |
| 10:45.43 | freemangordon | that was some 5-6 months ago, so no citation :) |
| 10:46.45 | Jaffa | freemangordon: Except how does someone outside CSSU get inside? They want to scratch an itch. Obviously doing so without coming to IRC would be crazy, and I'm not trying to make too big a deal of this specific example. |
| 10:46.46 | freemangordon | so far the comments on the bugtracker for closed bug has been written after a relese in -testing |
| 10:47.35 | freemangordon | Jaffa: yes, exactly, they come to IRC (luf and zeq are very good examples) |
| 10:47.57 | Jaffa | freemangordon: If there's an "internal" task on Garage (although, given the apathy towards GForge in general, I'm a little surprised at going to it voluntarily ;-)) which is related to a bug, there should be a comment on the Bugzilla entry linking to the Garage item (and vice versa) |
| 10:47.59 | freemangordon | (though zeq is still not "officialy" in CSSU team) |
| 10:48.17 | Jaffa | freemangordon: It's not just about new joiners; it's also about visibility, tracking etc. |
| 10:48.25 | freemangordon | on garage there is ;) |
| 10:48.39 | freemangordon | along with the commit |
| 10:48.39 | Jaffa | freemangordon: Indeed, so it's the reciprocal link which is missing |
| 10:49.03 | freemangordon | yes, but so far there is no such practice afaik |
| 10:49.25 | Jaffa | freemangordon: _Statuses_ should change as things are released; but not commenting on the "public facing" issue tracker until the code drops is a bad practice that closed shops like Nokia did. It's not best OSS practice. |
| 10:50.12 | Jaffa | freemangordon: Understood. I'm saying I think there should be, it's practically zero effort and avoids any confusion (e.g. andre__'s efforts to identify upstream security bugs or fixes actually is going somewhere) |
| 10:51.23 | freemangordon | Jaffa, understood, it is just that there was no bug triage session since the commit. Usually it is merlin1991 who comments on the bugs when there is some progress |
| 10:51.49 | freemangordon | you know, holiday time, etc |
| 10:53.12 | freemangordon | Ususally I am trying to keep away from commenting on public places, soft skills issues :) |
| 10:54.01 | freemangordon | is afk for a while |
| 11:28.18 | Jaffa | freemangordon: Heh, understood. |
| 11:28.43 | Jaffa | freemangordon: I'm sure you won't offend if you just paste a URL ;-) Not even the most impolite person I know could fsck that up |
| 11:30.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 11:32.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi Jaffa btw |
| 11:34.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd love to hear your take on cssu kernel and rules aboutr QA to apply to the patches we want to include. I'm afraid my take on that isn't common sense, and I'm not arrogant enough to think my ideas should prevail |
| 11:36.21 | freemangordon | Jaffa: will try to do it next time ;) |
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| 11:38.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa: so far I suggested a "triage" of all the patches in PK, regarding a few criteria like "is it a module without impact to 'core' that can get blacklisted?" or "is it a commonly accepted upstream patch that scratches a severe itch and nobody can see why it would work differently on embedded/N900?" |
| 11:43.01 | merlin1991 | andre__: we're not that bad, about 50% of your reported bugs are "FIXED" now :) |
| 11:43.39 | andre__ | true. thanks :) |
| 11:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa: alas nobody but me seems to consider proper review of all the patches a mandatory precondition, rather the degree of "nice to have" changes depending on whom you ask |
| 11:51.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa: ...while I don't feel comfortable with a cssu kernel (on my device) that may come with unknown number of severe potentially hw-frying bugs sneaking in with patches, of the grade of bq27200/I2C-locking-nuked desaster |
| 11:53.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa: so please guide me on what I shall think and try to support |
| 12:11.18 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer05: Can I finish my cuppa first? ;-) |
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| 12:37.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict cuppa |
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| 12:53.39 | andre__ | current vte version allows remote authenticated users to cause a denial of service. |
| 12:53.58 | andre__ | is that something worth to fix? that covers ssh, right? |
| 12:58.44 | freemangordon | andre__: does it make sense on a mobile device? |
| 12:59.25 | andre__ | that's what I wonder, as a simple person that doesn't really use ssh or stuff :) |
| 12:59.58 | andre__ | so somebody please tell me if I should file a ticket for you or not :P |
| 13:00.12 | freemangordon | BTW ssh is in extras, not CSSU material aiui |
| 13:00.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | andre__: denial of service or privilege escalation? |
| 13:00.28 | freemangordon | openssh even |
| 13:00.34 | andre__ | http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2012-2738 |
| 13:00.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | DOS is "harmless" |
| 13:00.43 | andre__ | you can probably judge it way better than I can |
| 13:00.48 | andre__ | I'm not very low-level |
| 13:01.04 | andre__ | I just want a "file it" or "don't: :) |
| 13:01.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | file it please |
| 13:01.15 | andre__ | ok :) |
| 13:01.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | we can triage later |
| 13:03.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know, on maemo there's a zillion ways for remote authenticated users to cause DOS |
| 13:09.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohwell, severity low |
| 13:10.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's obviously a DOS only, available to authenticated users of vte |
| 13:10.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | nice lil bug somebody can fix if bored |
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| 13:12.27 | andre__ | pango uses the freetype backend, right? |
| 13:13.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no clue |
| 13:15.04 | andre__ | WTF? http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/pango/trees/master - "source tree" just includes a tarball package and a patches subdir? sigh |
| 13:15.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, regarding CVE-2012-2738, we got a patch to vte already afaik (NK-enter fix), so adding a patch for this one doesn't hurt much |
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| 13:45.37 | merlin1991 | andre__: about the pango madness, that's what we grabbed from the official maemo sources |
| 13:46.00 | merlin1991 | one day I'll get mad enough at it untar the tarball and rewrite debian/rules |
| 13:46.40 | andre__ | :) |
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| 15:43.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: AIUI & IIRC that's exactly what we'd need to do for KP as well |
| 15:48.02 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: pango is even worse than kp |
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| 21:32.51 | merlin1991 | guys as a heads up so that noone thinks I got hit by a bus, I'll be in greece from sunday 12th to monday the 20th and probably will have almost no internet access |
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| 22:34.36 | kerio | D: |
| 22:34.40 | kerio | but how will cssu go on? |
| 23:26.48 | merlin1991 | :D |