| 00:37.41 | merlin1991 | ShadowJK: the sdk problem is even worse |
| 00:38.08 | merlin1991 | thumb is part of the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, so only if a rules file checks for those it has an effect |
| 00:38.20 | merlin1991 | and only a few system packages actually do that |
| 00:39.45 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 00:39.59 | ShadowJK | would be interesting to check binaries in extras* to see how many are built with thumbee |
| 00:40.23 | merlin1991 | autobuilder has yet another set of DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS |
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| 03:22.39 | LaoLang_cool | Will cssu versoin add the feature call duration log in future |
| 03:22.43 | LaoLang_cool | ? |
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| 06:26.27 | ensoe | hello. I realize it's late (at least for some people). I was wondering if I could get some help. My n900 won't boot up - it keeps looping in a boot, I can't flash either because it can't enumerate USB device. I'm stuck. All I really want is try to backup my data. |
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| 07:45.27 | kerio | Estel_: install kernel-power-flasher (for kp51), make sure you're on the latest cssu-testing and upgrade everything there, then enable the thumb repo, upgrade everything except mp-fremantle-community-pr (because it would require you to change kernels for no good reason yet) with apt-get (you can probably apt-get upgrade, the metapackage will be held back because of the weird dependencies, everything else is a straight upgrade - if not, hold the packag |
| 07:45.27 | kerio | e with dpkg --set-selections) |
| 07:45.36 | kerio | whoops |
| 07:45.45 | kerio | - if not, hold the package with dpkg --set-selections) |
| 07:45.50 | kerio | and then reboot |
| 07:45.58 | kerio | if stuff breaks, restore your BM backup :) |
| 07:46.29 | kerio | (straight upgrade: the version is the same, but there's -thumb instead of -testing at the end, so it has a greater version) |
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| 08:57.58 | freemangordon | WTF? gitorious does not show thumb-testing branch of microb-engine |
| 08:59.49 | kerio | hey freemangordon |
| 08:59.49 | kerio | i love you <3 |
| 09:00.41 | freemangordon | naah, thanks, I have a GF :P |
| 09:01.43 | kerio | YOU CAN'T STOP MY LOVE |
| 09:01.47 | kerio | but srsly, kp > kcssu |
| 09:03.58 | freemangordon | kerio: today ot tomorrow there will be an updated KCSSU ;) |
| 09:09.20 | kerio | even if they're the same |
| 09:10.38 | kerio | "yay" |
| 09:15.09 | freemangordon | kerio: KCSSU == KP rebranded. And that is on purpose |
| 09:15.47 | freemangordon | right now what is in the repo is ===KP50 |
| 09:29.11 | freemangordon | merlin1991: stupid gitorious does not show microb-engine thumb-testing branch, any idea what to do. everything is pushed though. |
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| 12:19.08 | kerio | freemangordon: you should put http://i.imgur.com/k4wmw.jpg in the cssu-thumb thread |
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| 13:10.49 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ping |
| 13:28.47 | freemangordon | Pali: ping |
| 13:28.51 | Pali | pong |
| 13:29.19 | freemangordon | paly, what is that trickery KP is doing with joikuspot .ko? |
| 13:29.25 | freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ |
| 13:30.02 | Pali | do you want to use joikuspot with kp? |
| 13:30.13 | freemangordon | no, it is about kernel-cssu |
| 13:30.46 | freemangordon | i will push a new version with replaces:kernel |
| 13:30.58 | freemangordon | just wondering if it wouldn't break something |
| 13:31.03 | Pali | you need to load joikuspot.ko before starting joikucpot |
| 13:31.13 | Pali | then it should work |
| 13:31.31 | freemangordon | and it searches .ko in lib/modules/current? |
| 13:31.36 | Pali | joikuspot.ko must be recompiled for current runninf kernel |
| 13:31.55 | Pali | joikuspot loading module from /usr/sbin/joikuspot.ko |
| 13:32.06 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 13:32.20 | freemangordon | that is wahy you divert it |
| 13:32.23 | freemangordon | *why |
| 13:32.25 | Pali | it call "insmod /usr/sbin/joikuspot" |
| 13:32.41 | Pali | diversion is deleted in kp4? |
| 13:32.53 | freemangordon | ok, I got it now. so we distribute our own .ko |
| 13:33.01 | Pali | somebody say that it is not working anymore... |
| 13:33.07 | freemangordon | kp4? |
| 13:33.13 | kerio | is supporting joikuspot really a good idea? |
| 13:33.16 | Pali | no joikuspot |
| 13:33.28 | Pali | I do not care about joikuspot |
| 13:33.35 | Pali | and noody seems using it |
| 13:33.49 | freemangordon | Pali: if we still want to have community kernel, we should break as little as possible |
| 13:33.58 | Pali | if somebody want to test.... we still providing kernel module |
| 13:34.10 | freemangordon | well, joikuspot has foss replacement, so yes, |
| 13:34.16 | kerio | ...why does joikuspot store modules in /usr/sbin? |
| 13:34.21 | freemangordon | we can live without it |
| 13:34.25 | Pali | sorry but app which load kernel module from /usr/sbin is BAD app |
| 13:34.29 | Pali | which should be removed!! |
| 13:34.30 | kerio | it's shit like this, developers of closed-source programs |
| 13:34.40 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 13:34.53 | Pali | we have more open source hotspot apps which working |
| 13:35.05 | freemangordon | Pali: do fcam drivers work with KP? |
| 13:35.13 | Pali | I do not see reason to support some closed source... |
| 13:35.21 | Pali | I do not know what is state of fcam |
| 13:35.27 | Pali | I never used this sw |
| 13:35.39 | Pali | maybe asking fcam devs is good idea |
| 13:35.52 | freemangordon | which software uses fcam drivers? |
| 13:36.06 | kerio | fcamera :) |
| 13:36.14 | freemangordon | is it in extras? |
| 13:36.17 | kerio | and hdr-something |
| 13:36.19 | kerio | yeah, they're opensource |
| 13:36.29 | freemangordon | ok, going to try it |
| 13:38.34 | ShadowJK | also lowlight |
| 13:38.59 | freemangordon | well, one application should be enough to test |
| 13:39.06 | kerio | hrmpf, maemo.org doesn't show reverse dependencie |
| 13:39.07 | kerio | s |
| 13:42.15 | freemangordon | fcamera works like charm |
| 13:42.34 | freemangordon | Nokia-N900:/root$ uname -r |
| 13:42.35 | freemangordon | 2.6.28.10-cssu2 |
| 13:42.48 | kerio | but... how? |
| 13:43.05 | kerio | Now compiles a version for the power kernel and a version for |
| 13:43.05 | kerio | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.08 | kerio | oh, cheating ¬.¬ |
| 13:49.26 | freemangordon | kerio: I don't have KP installed |
| 13:56.44 | kerio | you have something really similar |
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| 14:56.10 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: the gitorious webinterface is only slow as fuck on the uptake |
| 14:56.19 | merlin1991 | by now it does show the thumb-testing branch |
| 14:56.21 | merlin1991 | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/microb-engine/commits/thumb-testing |
| 14:59.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: Pali: seems you start to get my point why CSSU won't ship own kernel for a looong time to come |
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| 18:07.55 | amiconn | freemangordon: Which foss hotspot app exists that fully replaces joikuspot? I do have "mobile hotspot" installed, but that only does WEP, not WPA. So essentially no security... |
| 18:11.12 | kerio | oh god we found the one joikuspot user |
| 18:13.13 | amiconn | I'm not... |
| 18:13.31 | amiconn | Just saying there's no full replacement, afaik |
| 18:13.53 | kerio | so write one! :D |
| 18:14.06 | amiconn | never really needed a hotspot app so far |
| 18:22.22 | Estel_ | amiconn, joikuspot doesn't do wpa, and if it claims it does, it lies |
| 18:22.37 | Estel_ | any kind of mobile hotspot on n900 is essentialy ad-hoc, which can do wep only |
| 18:23.02 | Estel_ | QT MobileHotspot (nmot sure it it's exact same as mobilehotspot, seems like based on code of the latter) |
| 18:23.16 | Estel_ | +BTW, on N950, joikuspot also does wep only |
| 18:35.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | +BTW all this is rather irrelevant as we never know who's doing what wrt kernel modules, and a policy of "app $XY not compatible to our ACME kernel? so what, it can go get lost, as we don't care" is not exactly what the vast majority of maemo users will appreciate |
| 18:38.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | every user is free to do that decision on his/her own discretion, whether the kernel used should support all stuff like stock kernel (means it will be stock kernel after all, as I still don't see that ABI-compatible kernel coming), or installing any ACME kernel that has nice new features but doesn't support $XY anymore |
| 18:38.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU however will NOT force users to switch to any of those non-compatible ACME kernels |
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| 18:41.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | not until we need to fix some really catastrophic bug in *system* that in turn depends on a fixed/tweaked kernel |
| 18:42.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU will not introduce a "depends $random-kernel-feature" just for the leetness |
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| 19:05.13 | Estel_ | Well, I'm fine with that, but I'm afraid it may result in stall of cssu development, and need for someone to backport features from CSSU-thumb kernels |
| 19:05.20 | Estel_ | CSSU-thumb features, not kernels |
| 19:05.32 | Estel_ | it shouldn't be sop hard to do, but still requires someone working on it |
| 19:05.49 | Estel_ | I doubt that joikuspot (which works, BTW), will be enough to keep people on cssu-compatible |
| 19:05.53 | Estel_ | not my problem, though |
| 19:28.56 | kerio | Estel_: the problem isn't joikuspot, the problem is $bitrotten_closed_program |
| 19:29.12 | Estel_ | wut? |
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