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| 06:35.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | git gui???? |
| 06:35.41 | freemangordon | ever told you I am lazy ;) |
| 06:36.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ever told you I'm basically a git noob (and a lazy gui junkie too)? |
| 06:36.38 | freemangordon | never, but git has gui :P |
| 06:37.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | where? how? how much ;-P? |
| 06:37.23 | freemangordon | it is either git gui or git-gui, depending on the distribution |
| 06:37.36 | freemangordon | in usual way, apt-get |
| 06:37.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow |
| 06:38.59 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: do you know gitk? |
| 06:39.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | gitwhat? |
| 06:39.53 | freemangordon | gitk |
| 06:40.06 | freemangordon | now you know it, use it smart :P |
| 06:40.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm about to learn repo (*uaerghhh*) |
| 06:40.40 | freemangordon | that is basically a history browser |
| 06:41.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | friggin useful |
| 06:41.10 | freemangordon | commits/branches/whatever history that is |
| 06:41.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | (hist browser) |
| 06:41.26 | freemangordon | yep |
| 06:41.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | while repo is so... |
| 06:41.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | git the hard way |
| 06:42.15 | freemangordon | repo? WTF is that, some android SDK tool? |
| 06:42.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart google |
| 06:42.20 | infobot | teaches google the basics, including how to RTM |
| 06:42.58 | freemangordon | isn't that integrated in eclipse? |
| 06:43.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | python wrapper around git, to handle forests (SIC!) |
| 06:44.17 | freemangordon | never heard about it. but having in mind I am not exactly linux developer, it is not unusual |
| 06:44.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: at my job I need to do kneedeep kernel development for android, no eclipse for me |
| 06:44.37 | freemangordon | aaah |
| 06:44.51 | freemangordon | feels sorry for doc |
| 06:45.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and *of course* we got owr own git repos for that |
| 06:46.25 | freemangordon | well, if it is git, you should be able to use *normal* tools to access them |
| 06:46.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | so all the public howto stuff is just a slight hint |
| 06:47.16 | freemangordon | at least you could try to use gitk and git-gui |
| 06:47.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | feckin repo works with manifests - XML shite I seem to have to write by hand :-S |
| 06:47.30 | freemangordon | WTF? |
| 06:48.09 | freemangordon | gets depressed everytime he sees .manifest |
| 06:48.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | a manifest describes a forest, or even a set of forests |
| 06:48.36 | freemangordon | sure, sure, don't tell me about it :D |
| 06:50.07 | freemangordon | WTF, stupid leafchat cannot search? |
| 06:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the method is: set up git (all the git -url foo.insteadof bar abomination, as well as other stuf like email, name etc), then do repo init -b branch -u label |
| 06:52.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is fetching the manifest for that label and branch, and that manifest then might install 3 dozen forests via git |
| 06:52.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually it does when you do repo sync |
| 06:53.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | which does dozens of git checkout or whatever the right git command |
| 06:53.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | git pull ? |
| 06:54.13 | freemangordon | could be git clone, fetch, cherry-pick |
| 06:54.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even `repo help -all` works unless you have done repo init |
| 06:54.28 | freemangordon | and several others I am not aware of |
| 06:54.44 | freemangordon | hmm, where is Pali |
| 06:55.06 | Pali | here, sleeping... |
| 06:55.20 | freemangordon | morning :) |
| 06:55.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, where is Pali? I was about to tell him booston never will be obsolete unless hald-addon-bme-fake will do all the nice warning and info notifications |
| 06:56.32 | freemangordon | Pali: either add me as a developer here: https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement or pull hald-addon-bme and libbmeipc from my repo, ok? |
| 06:56.59 | Pali | I do not know how to add developer for project... |
| 06:57.13 | Pali | I will pull both repos to rx51-bme |
| 06:58.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: I hope your hald-addon-bme / libbme'ipc' is using kernel events? |
| 06:58.37 | freemangordon | hmm, maybe create a new team and change the ownership, gitorious is fubar |
| 06:58.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I hope bq24150.ko is sending kernel events? |
| 06:59.09 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: right now it uses nothing, so it will use whatever we write there :D |
| 06:59.14 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, I do not know now |
| 06:59.26 | Pali | it use power_supply interface |
| 06:59.43 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: libbmeipc don;t need any events |
| 07:00.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: how is it to know about state changes in battery management? poll sysfs power_supply interface? |
| 07:00.26 | Pali | freemangordon, one bme (n9) dev will ask how to calculate temperature from ADCIN0 (twl adc) |
| 07:00.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: \o/ |
| 07:00.46 | freemangordon | it just needs to read the temp once called, i.e. open, read, close (/dev/twladc) |
| 07:01.12 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, value but value depends on some data from CAL |
| 07:01.26 | Pali | so it will not be easy forumla |
| 07:01.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | never expected that |
| 07:01.46 | Pali | freemangordon, I mean how to convert raw value from adcin0 to temp |
| 07:01.56 | freemangordon | I know |
| 07:02.19 | freemangordon | we have FOSS libcal replacement iirc. |
| 07:02.35 | freemangordon | hmm Pali, it was you to write it? |
| 07:02.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | something that can access CAL at least, yeah |
| 07:02.55 | Pali | calvaria and libopencal |
| 07:03.00 | freemangordon | well, libcal interface is simple |
| 07:03.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 07:03.12 | Pali | but when I tested libopencal it crashed |
| 07:03.18 | Pali | calvaria is only parser |
| 07:03.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | eew |
| 07:03.29 | freemangordon | libcal should be easy to RE |
| 07:03.37 | Pali | libopen cal can read and write to CAL but it is clone of diablo libcal |
| 07:03.56 | Pali | freemangordon, in SDK is i386 version of libcal |
| 07:04.05 | Pali | so this version can be disassembled |
| 07:04.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet little has changed in CAL struct for fremantle |
| 07:04.30 | freemangordon | Pali: i doubt it is the same as armel, but could help a lot |
| 07:04.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: wait wait wait |
| 07:04.50 | freemangordon | at least for interface definitions |
| 07:04.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: don't you think the x86 is a fake stub? |
| 07:05.00 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 07:05.02 | Pali | I think no |
| 07:05.13 | Pali | when I looked at it there was all functions exported |
| 07:05.13 | freemangordon | hmm, where it stores the data then? |
| 07:05.15 | Pali | with mtd code |
| 07:05.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, they could fake mtd, yep |
| 07:05.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and use a proper libcal_x86 on top of that |
| 07:05.52 | freemangordon | anyway i gtg, bbl guys |
| 07:06.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | same here |
| 07:09.56 | Pali | done, https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement |
| 07:10.32 | Pali | other question, do we need to use autotools? |
| 07:14.18 | Pali | ok i386 version of libcal is trying to open /dev/mtd1 :D |
| 07:14.31 | Pali | so seems that this is same version as for armel |
| 07:14.47 | Pali | Only NAND devices supported |
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| 07:36.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: nice :-D |
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| 08:04.28 | jonwil | Time to start working on collecting all the known information on the N900 dbus calls |
| 08:11.33 | Pali | somebody write wl1251-cal and <bluetooth>-cal programs |
| 08:11.55 | jonwil | I documented what wl1251-cal does a while back IIRC |
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| 08:12.03 | Pali | jonwil, link? |
| 08:12.25 | jonwil | I cant remember where I put it |
| 08:12.31 | jonwil | either the mailing list or the wiki |
| 08:12.43 | jonwil | why is having one useful anyway? |
| 08:12.59 | Pali | wl1251-cal is needed for setting wifi chip |
| 08:13.18 | Pali | (region lock, mac address, ...) |
| 08:13.31 | jonwil | yes but what is wrong with the current wl1251-cal other than that its closed? |
| 08:13.48 | Pali | regulation region lock |
| 08:14.06 | Pali | using non standard netlink kernel interface |
| 08:14.19 | Pali | so using upstream wl1251 driver is not possible |
| 08:14.26 | jonwil | yeah it would be good to replace it |
| 08:14.40 | Pali | for changing mac address has linux interface |
| 08:15.07 | Pali | and for region regulation is here cfg80211 and nl80211 interface |
| 08:15.09 | jonwil | it shouldn't be that hard if someone with knowledge of kernel WiFi stuff wants to take a look at the notes I made |
| 08:15.42 | jonwil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Wl1251-cal |
| 08:15.44 | jonwil | Found the info |
| 08:16.26 | jonwil | thats all the info I found out in wl12510-cal |
| 08:17.01 | Pali | ok |
| 08:17.29 | Pali | the best way would be to create correct NVS data from cal and store it to /lib/firmware |
| 08:17.33 | Pali | on each n900 |
| 08:18.01 | Pali | there can be script which do it when n900 is first time started (or if that correct nvs data is not extracted) |
| 08:18.29 | Pali | I think that NVS data can contains mac address too |
| 08:18.41 | jonwil | The NVS data seems to change based on what the current country code is |
| 08:18.50 | jonwil | i.e. the MNC if any |
| 08:18.57 | Pali | yes |
| 08:19.07 | jonwil | MAC address comes from cal also |
| 08:19.10 | Pali | but it is same as if you change country with your wifi laptop |
| 08:19.16 | jonwil | not part of NVS data |
| 08:19.22 | Pali | so this data can be static |
| 08:19.38 | Pali | I mean that wl1251 kernel driver can read mac address from nvs data too |
| 08:20.16 | jonwil | If you roam to another country, you will get a different MCC returned by get_registration_status |
| 08:20.17 | Pali | so we can create script which convert wifi data from CAL to nvs firmware file |
| 08:20.42 | Pali | jonwil, but this is same as with your laptop if you road from EU to USA |
| 08:20.48 | jonwil | true |
| 08:20.51 | Pali | nothing is changed automatically |
| 08:20.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: while we're talking about it, how would I switch my restricted WLAN chan range on N900 to use full range? |
| 08:21.18 | jonwil | as for bluetooth, there is a script in /etc/event.replace.d called bluetooth-sysinfo |
| 08:21.23 | Pali | Doc, kernel cfg80211 interface is for that |
| 08:21.26 | jonwil | which handles the bluetooth mac address |
| 08:21.37 | Pali | you need to have wifi driver which use cfg80211 interface |
| 08:21.44 | jonwil | all the script does is get the data from cal via sysinfo-tool |
| 08:21.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's how it *should* be. i'm taling about how it's now |
| 08:21.58 | Pali | and then use standard wifi program iw |
| 08:22.07 | jonwil | and send that to /sys/devices/platform/hci_h4p/bdaddr |
| 08:22.08 | Pali | I do not remember param, use iw --help |
| 08:22.44 | Pali | jonwil, that sysfs file is again non standard interface |
| 08:23.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | one of my friggin devices (t900) refuses to work on chan13 |
| 08:23.08 | Pali | linux kernel can change mac address from userspace in other way |
| 08:23.38 | jonwil | well whatever way exists to change the bluetooth mac address, we can just make /etc/event.replace.d/bluetooth-sysinfo use that |
| 08:23.53 | jonwil | i.e. the tool that reads the value from CAL (sysinfo-tool) is fine |
| 08:24.09 | Pali | ok |
| 08:24.46 | Pali | I mean that we can 1) rewrite *-cal programs to use normal interfaces or 2) create proper nvs data for kernel drivers (which will contains all data from CAL) |
| 08:25.00 | Pali | and *-cal programs will not be needed |
| 08:25.25 | jonwil | yeah I think the best answer is to create a clone of wl1251-cal that uses official interfaces |
| 08:26.03 | Pali | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/wl12xx/calibrator |
| 08:26.08 | jonwil | then someone can run it and compare the results from the stock closed tool and the open tool to make sure you get the right results |
| 08:26.15 | Pali | this should be used ^^^^ |
| 08:26.20 | jonwil | yes it should be |
| 08:28.30 | Pali | it really also store mac address to NVS firmware file |
| 08:29.18 | Pali | so after creating proper firmware files (and using standard wl1251 driver) wl1251-cal can be deleted... |
| 08:36.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | NVS == non volatile storage? |
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| 08:37.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | then we should ponder an option to map NVS to CAL, as it basically is same thing |
| 08:38.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | so user could decide whether to use a file he can mess around with for NVS, or whether NVS gets generated(? during sysinit) from CAL |
| 08:39.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | l8r o/ |
| 08:57.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | wtf? my Iron900 doesn't auto-switch to GPRS anymore when IronLegend leave 2!*" range |
| 08:57.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | WLAN range |
| 09:01.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | but this time it didn't hang on 2!*" thinking it's still connected |
| 09:01.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | WLAN* ffs |
| 09:17.58 | jonwil | Its interesting to see how many .h files in the SDK say "dont use this" or "this is obsolete" or whatever and yet contain some of the most interesting info :) |
| 09:21.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | indeed |
| 09:21.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | idiot took wrong subway train :-S |
| 09:26.47 | jonwil | so far I found documentation for com.nokia.calendar, com.nokia.worldclock, com.nokia.csd.gprs.*, com.nokia.icd2, com.nokia.iphbd, com.nokia.clockd, com.nokia.phone.net and com.nokia.wappush |
| 09:28.11 | jonwil | what I did was to download all the source packages from the sdk-free repo, then all the closed binaries from the nokia-binaries repo then all the closed binaries that I didn't already download from the main phone repo |
| 09:28.29 | jonwil | So far the info I found comes from the /usr/share/doc and /usr/include locations for the closed bits |
| 09:28.52 | jonwil | Now I need to go through all the source code looking for any dbus stuff to add to my stuff-to-put-onto-the-wiki list |
| 09:29.34 | jonwil | then from there I can grab anything from the maemo API documentation and maemo wiki along with anything I previously posted (forums, mailing list etc) |
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| 11:23.18 | kerio | freemangordon: can i install cssu-thumb while keeping my beloved kp51? |
| 11:23.44 | freemangordon | I think so |
| 11:23.58 | freemangordon | hmm, not yet |
| 11:24.02 | freemangordon | kerio: ^^^ |
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| 11:26.19 | kerio | :( |
| 11:26.50 | kerio | not even by making a fake package that provides kernel-cssu? :D |
| 11:32.05 | freemangordon | kerio: today or tomorrow i will push a new update, with kernel-cssu == KP51 |
| 11:32.31 | freemangordon | and it will not install a new kernel if you already have kp51 |
| 11:33.50 | kerio | k |
| 11:34.07 | kerio | is it kp51 in kernel-cssu package or does the name change? |
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| 12:05.56 | freemangordon | it is kp51, the name is kernel-cssu |
| 12:08.05 | kerio | i see |
| 12:14.52 | kerio | so... the modules will still be installed in /lib/modules/2.6.28-power51r1? |
| 12:14.53 | kerio | or something |
| 12:15.16 | kerio | /lib/modules/2.6.28.10-power51 |
| 12:18.43 | kerio | freemangordon: right? |
| 12:27.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | if the kernel is power51 then the modules shall be there |
| 12:28.59 | freemangordon | if the kernel is kernel-cssu, then no |
| 12:29.39 | freemangordon | so the modules are in /lib/modules/kernel-cssu3 |
| 12:29.56 | freemangordon | and compat drivers in /opt/lib/modules/kernel-cssu3 |
| 12:31.08 | kerio | ... |
| 12:31.14 | kerio | "kernel-cssu3" is not a version |
| 12:31.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: I'm unhappy with the kernel naming |
| 12:32.01 | kerio | freemangordon: what's the output of uname -r? |
| 12:32.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | it might suggest to uneducated users that it's a core CSSU component |
| 12:33.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: could you call it cssu-thumb or cssu-extras please? |
| 12:33.24 | kerio | or kernel-thumb |
| 12:33.39 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: no, as the final goal is cssu, that is first, and it is available only in cssu-thumb repo |
| 12:34.11 | freemangordon | you can install it through normal repos |
| 12:34.15 | freemangordon | *can't |
| 12:34.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | eventually we *might* need to come up with a concurrent incompatible cssu-kernel |
| 12:34.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | then we're busted pretty much |
| 12:35.16 | freemangordon | incompatible? |
| 12:35.56 | freemangordon | kerio: 2.6.28.10-cssu3 |
| 12:35.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | as in 'hotfix for galaxy wide ipv4 exploit included" |
| 12:36.08 | kerio | freemangordon: i see |
| 12:36.22 | kerio | so the modules are in /lib/modules/2.6.28.10-cssu3 |
| 12:36.41 | kerio | ponders about making symlinks so he can restore kp51 backupmenu backups |
| 12:38.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: see kerio's comment! chose wisely! |
| 12:38.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | kernel naming is no pony baby name picking |
| 12:39.20 | kerio | i still don't get what's wrong with temporarily using kernel-power as the default -thumb kernel |
| 12:39.23 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: it has been that way for the last 2 months |
| 12:39.24 | kerio | until the kernel situation is fixed |
| 12:39.33 | kerio | freemangordon: hell, why isn't it just kernel-linux? |
| 12:39.35 | freemangordon | kerio: and what is the situation? |
| 12:39.53 | kerio | the situation is you making a thumb-capable -omap1 kernel |
| 12:40.06 | kerio | that makes doc happy |
| 12:40.17 | kerio | (by -omap1 i mean abi-compatible with the nokia -omap1) |
| 12:40.29 | freemangordon | if the situation is that you can't wait a couple of days, it is your problem, not mine |
| 12:40.37 | kerio | i mean, let's face it, -cssu3 is distinctly powerish |
| 12:40.42 | kerio | it does stuff! |
| 12:40.49 | kerio | it's not just for thumb |
| 12:40.53 | freemangordon | so? |
| 12:41.06 | freemangordon | i fail to see the problem |
| 12:41.55 | kerio | it's not a problem for me, but the standard kernel is installed in the "kernel" package |
| 12:42.08 | kerio | if it's the default kernel, it should go there |
| 12:42.32 | freemangordon | well, a replaces: does the same thing |
| 12:42.46 | freemangordon | but I still fail to see the point |
| 12:42.48 | kerio | a replaces: uninstalls the previous package |
| 12:43.10 | freemangordon | which does only "kernel" in our case, so no difference |
| 12:43.14 | kerio | my point is that this *has* to be installed for everything to work, once you install the thumb packages |
| 12:43.22 | freemangordon | yep |
| 12:43.29 | freemangordon | you know WIP is? |
| 12:43.36 | freemangordon | *what WIP |
| 12:43.40 | kerio | yes i do |
| 12:43.40 | freemangordon | ~WIP |
| 12:43.41 | infobot | rumour has it, wip is "Work In Progress" |
| 12:43.46 | kerio | thanks infobot |
| 12:43.46 | infobot | kerio: no worries |
| 12:43.55 | kerio | awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww :3 |
| 12:44.11 | kerio | freemangordon: i still don't get what your plans are for kernel-cssu |
| 12:45.07 | freemangordon | "my" plans are someday there to be a kernel in CSSU replacing omap1 |
| 12:46.16 | kerio | or upgrading omap1 |
| 12:50.52 | kerio | by the way, why are we still on 2.6.28? |
| 12:52.53 | _shadowx | yep. |
| 12:53.14 | _shadowx | btw where can I find the kernel sources? (or patches) |
| 12:54.35 | kerio | _shadowx: there's the source package i think |
| 12:55.33 | kerio | kernel-source and kernel-power-source |
| 12:55.38 | kerio | depending on which one you want |
| 12:55.48 | _shadowx | power-source ofc :P |
| 12:55.50 | _shadowx | 10x kerio. |
| 12:56.22 | _shadowx | btw is there big difference between the nokia and kp source ? or mainly configuration differences? |
| 13:21.16 | kerio | by the way, are the incremental apt updates something in apt 0.7? |
| 13:29.32 | kerio | freemangordon: hm, is busybox-power installed earlier in the PATH or does it just overwrite the builtin busybox? |
| 13:39.09 | kerio | oooh, if i don't dist-upgrade i can just upgrade the single packages |
| 13:48.31 | kerio | freemangordon: holy shit i have only 10MB of used swap |
| 13:48.34 | kerio | i love you |
| 13:59.22 | kerio | http://i.imgur.com/obnuu.jpg |
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| 15:01.54 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, for enabling fully channel range in restricted device right now, you need to call iw reg set JP |
| 15:02.00 | Estel_ | or iw set reg JP |
| 15:02.04 | Estel_ | whatever ;) |
| 15:02.09 | Estel_ | need iw-tools, obviously |
| 15:02.27 | Estel_ | unfortunately, you need to call it after every enabling of stock wifi stack |
| 15:02.34 | Estel_ | stock stick stack |
| 15:03.00 | kerio | where is the default stored? |
| 15:03.49 | Estel_ | in past, I've modified every script that enables wifi (so, enabled it first time via mscript in event.d, then modified adv.-interface-switcher scripts, aircrack related scripts that loadfs stock, etc) |
| 15:04.25 | Estel_ | now, advanced-interface-switcher have script files for various conditions (like wlan up), so it can be put there and not overwritten after every update |
| 15:04.30 | Estel_ | still need to modify other programs, though |
| 15:04.45 | Estel_ | kerio, I don't remember, honestly ;) |
| 15:04.51 | Estel_ | but it's not simple fiole edit |
| 15:04.56 | Estel_ | that's why You need iw tools |
| 15:05.33 | kerio | cal? |
| 15:05.52 | Estel_ | You tell me ;) |
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| 15:18.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep CAL |
| 15:19.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | at least that's root |
| 15:19.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | other layers on top may override |
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| 17:52.23 | kerio | i want more thumb binaries! :c |
| 18:13.33 | Raimu | Compile them! |
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| 20:58.57 | freemangordon | arcean: do you know where alarm sounds are stored on harmattan? |
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| 21:10.34 | arcean | freemangordon: /usr/share/sounds/ring-tones |
| 21:17.05 | freemangordon | arcean: thanks, found them :) |
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