IRC log for #maemo-ssu on 20120723

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08:41.41chem|stamiconn: wpa enterprise background connection is not working ever since or are you trying to get some new stuff cracking?
08:45.10Palifreemangordon, do you know how to fix problem that gmail via SSL do not working in thumbed browser?
08:45.31Pali(also more sites do not working via SSL)
08:56.52freemangordonPali: it is a toolchain problem, will use linaro 4.7 to build microb-engine, hopefully today
08:57.13Paliok, good to know where is problem
08:57.25freemangordonPali: as a workaround you can disable TLS in about:config
08:57.45Palifreemangordon, can you also build browserd daemon with thumb?
08:58.31freemangordonsure, but what is the gain, afaik browserd is about 100k or something
09:03.18freemangordonPali: could you push the patches from KP51 in kernel-cssu?
09:03.35Paliyes, after autobuilder build kp51...
09:03.45PaliI tried to find problem now...
09:04.03Palialso I will update bq2415x driver for kp51
09:04.24Palinow I have working usbmode.sh script and applet for switching between peripheral & host mode :-)
09:04.42Paliapplet with 3 buttons: peripheral, host with boost, host with charge
09:17.40freemangordonPali: you're my hero man :)
09:18.12Palideb package + source code is now on: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/usbmode/
09:18.26Palibut it depends on unreleased pacthes for kernel-power
09:18.46freemangordonPali: any progress on autobuilder KP51 issue?
09:19.01Palimaybe I found where is autobuilder problem...
09:19.22PaliI need to push new version, but I'm waiting for error message of current build
09:23.23freemangordonok
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09:39.54Palitrying to push kp51 again
09:52.22Palifreemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85658
09:54.19freemangordonPali: great. unfortunately still no kp51 in extras
09:54.25freemangordon-devel
09:54.27Palicompiling...
09:54.31freemangordonhmm
09:54.46Paliok, going for launch
09:54.59freemangordonhmm, good idea :D
10:01.24Palitada... https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/kernel-power_2.6.28-10power51/
10:08.57kerio\o/
10:09.15kerioPali: i love you <3
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10:09.50kerioPali: but why an applet and not the battery indicator substitute that does magical things instead of bme?
10:10.23kerioPali: what does usb host mode with charging mean?
10:10.32kerioalso, why can't it just be boostoff?
10:13.00kerioDocScrutinizer05: something that's still not clear to me - if something else is feeding power to the usb device, does vboost drain the battery?
10:16.39kerioPali: hmm... there's a problem
10:16.50keriokernel-power-flasher depends on kp50
10:17.36kerioor fapman is being stupid
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10:50.23Palikerio, booston/boostoff is now obsolated by kernel driver bq2415x
10:50.42kerioPali: yeah but sometimes i just want to turn off vboost without starting the charge
10:50.51kerionot sure if it's useful though
10:51.00Palikerio, battery icon/bme will be next part
10:51.39kerioPali: will you (or someone else) eventually write a hald-addon-fakebme?
10:51.46Palikerio, host mode with charging means disable vboost and enable charger (with fastcharger detection disabled)
10:51.53Palikerio, yes
10:52.05kerioPali: "enable charger" i hope only up to 500mA
10:52.17Palikerio, yes
10:52.38Palikerio, only working is charger off and host charger
10:52.52kerioyeah, i figured
10:53.11kerioPali: yeah but after establishing the connection sometimes i turn vboost off if i'm powering the device in another way
10:53.18kerionot sure if it helps with the battery
10:53.33kerio(without charging, because the external power comes from a usb port)
10:53.33Palithen you can switch to charging mode
10:53.57kerioyeah but i don't know if there'll be enough power
10:54.06Palicharging mode is auto (without fastcharger detection)
10:54.08kerioso i wanted to set the charging mode to "none"
10:54.25Paliyou can do it manually via xterm
10:54.27keriowell, charging mode is "device" or something, isn't it
10:54.43kerioduring host mode
10:54.54Palithere are 4 modes for bq driver: auto, host, dedicated, boost
10:55.02Paliand 5th: none
10:55.11kerioauto is the one that switches between host and dedicated
10:55.14kerioyes
10:55.17Paliand none
10:55.27keriowell, yeah
10:55.41kerio...is it bad if you set a mode without having the correct hardware part?
10:56.10Paliyou can fry usb..., kerio ask Doc about it
10:56.13kerioD:
10:56.27PaliI do not want to test it...
10:56.35kerioso i can fry the usb if i set "dedicated" without anything connected?
10:56.43kerio...where does it get enough energy to fry itself?
10:56.48PaliI think no
10:57.22Paliyou can fry computer/other part of usb cable
10:57.44Paliwith some cheap usb board on computer...
10:57.44keriomusb_hdrc can be hosth, hostf, hostl and peripheral?
10:57.47kerioi see
10:57.55Palikerio, yes
10:58.01Pali(for rx51)
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11:02.17keriowhat i don't know is whether it's useless to set vboost off if i'm powering the usb device externally
11:08.13Palikerio, if you have external power you can turn boost off
11:08.23kerioyeah but is it useful?
11:08.38Paliyes, increase battery life
11:08.51Paliyou do not need provide voltage over usb
11:08.55keriohow is the power "split" if i have two things providing power?
11:09.21Palikerio, do not know ask your hub seller...
11:09.34keriopff, "hub"
11:09.43kerioi have a Y cable that has the power-only part connected to my laptop
11:10.54Paliso power from n900 usb is not connected...
11:11.20keriowell, in h-e-n you have to enable boost for the gui to work properly
11:11.28keriobut once i establish a connection i turn boost off manually from xterm
11:12.20kerioanyway, i uninstalled cleven and hostmode-gui now
11:12.31keriocuz kp51 is more important :3
11:14.26kerioPali: what's left to do? get the -devel maintainer to put the packages in?
11:14.44Palikp51 is in -devel now!
11:14.58PaliI belive autobuilder it compiled without problem
11:15.05Paligoing to install & test
11:25.48kerio^_^
11:25.51kerio^_^ ^_^ ^_^
11:35.07Palistrage :-( rmmod bq2415_charger will reboot device...
11:36.08kerioD:
11:36.15keriothat's bad!
11:37.37Palimaybe I found problem...
11:37.57Palicompling kernel on computer and testing if will work...
11:38.33PaliSo I need to test if rmmod on all (or more) working too!
11:38.41Palimy faul...
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12:34.03kerioPali: so... is a fix expected to be released in a little while?
12:34.34Paliyes
12:34.44Paliits needed for new usb host mode
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12:41.45kerioi see
12:41.59kerioso... why is it still in the repos? :)
12:47.04Palibecause nobody (except X-Fade) cannot delete packages from repos
12:50.34Paliproblem fixed, now I will push new version 51r1
12:51.04keriowhat was the problem?
12:53.50kerioand package maintainers need a big red button with a removable plastic cover to SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING.
12:56.44Palidereference NULL pointer
12:59.28kerioD:
12:59.31kerioin the kernel?
12:59.32keriothat's bad
13:27.37freemangordonPali: make it v52, nnone knows how repos will react in 51r1
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13:31.08kerio51r1 > 51, i think
13:31.16kerioi mean, -power51r1 is greater than -power51
13:31.18kerioor something
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13:59.18merlin1991Pali: I had a look at https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv/merge_requests/1#13db9fe7131d06636a865dea17bb741195237455-13db9fe7131d06636a865dea17bb741195237455@1 we could use dnsmasq as dhcp server instead, it's always installed
13:59.35merlin1991udhcpd is only provided by busybox power afaik
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13:59.56freemangordonkerio: maemo-extras has its own understanding ;)
14:00.10keriowhat the fuck, autostarting a dhcp server?
14:00.12keriohell naw
14:00.15keriothat's bad
14:00.18kerioand you should feel bad
14:00.54kerioipv4 has link-local addresses, you should use that at most
14:01.31merlin1991kerio this is about pc <-> n900
14:01.43merlin1991in that case link-local isn't what you want
14:02.02keriowhy do i want a dhcp server?
14:02.45merlin1991because when you have a usb network adapter that has no ip or a different subnet than the n900 then it is pretty useless
14:04.50kerioip autoconfiguration where neither side has a "privileged" role should be done with link-local addresses
14:05.00keriowhat should usb networking be used for?
14:05.21merlin1991black magic or other stuff
14:05.31merlin1991freemangordon: did you see microb on gitorious?
14:05.42keriocool, link-local is black magic anyway
14:09.11kerionot to mention that autostarting a dhcp server would screw up all the mobilehotspot-like programs
14:12.04Palimerlin1991, udhcpd is in maemo extras
14:12.18merlin1991Pali: dnsmasq is in the rootfs :D
14:12.24Palimerlin1991, but if you can configure dnsmasq for dhcp server pactches are welcome :-)
14:12.45PaliI did not use dnsmasq for dhcp server, only udhcpd and isc dhcp
14:13.40Palikerio, ipv4 local link address needs avahi-daemon on both sides (computer and n900)
14:13.51kerioreally?
14:13.58keriocan't you just make up a 169.254.x.y address?
14:13.59kerio:o
14:14.06Paliand on both sides must be avahi-daemon for NetworkManager and ICD2 configured
14:14.59Palilocal link ipv4 address is assigned via some multicast packets to prevent colisions
14:15.22keriohm, RFC 3927 doesn't talk about avahi
14:22.31Paliit is zeroconf protocol
14:28.37kerioPali: is KP51r1 installable now?
14:29.22Palikerio, if autobuilder pushed it to extras-devel, then yes
14:39.52kerioyay, i has KP51r1
14:40.10kerio~pali
14:40.15keriohrmpf
14:40.18kerioPali: link to your wobsite?
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14:45.01kerioinfobot: pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/
14:45.01infobotkerio: okay
14:49.52kerioPali: hahaha i installed your usbmode
14:49.55kerioit's *everywhere*
14:53.27kerioPali: hmm, somehow bme was started when i unloaded the bq module
14:53.32kerioit was weird
14:56.16keriooh no, nvm, usbmode starts bme when it needs to
14:56.18keriosweet
15:00.48kerioanyway, your autoconf script doesn't work
15:00.51kerio:(
15:24.28Palikerio, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85658
15:25.33kerioyeah, that's what i installed
15:25.46kerioit's neat, but the autoconfiguration didn't work for me
15:29.24Palikerio, first attach usb device then change mode
15:29.47kerioi did
15:29.52kerioit was a pen drive
15:30.18kerioit cycled between low speed mode and full speed mode
15:30.27kerioand it didn't enumerate correctly with either, i think
15:31.37Palikerio, if autodetection of speed does not working try: open-xterm, run as root usbmode.sh host <speed> (change speed with low full or high)
15:31.52keriobut that's cheating :P
15:31.55Paliand then wait
15:32.19kerioi got it to work by manually echoing
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15:39.37freemangordonmerlin1991: will look at it later
15:42.08kerioPali: btw, why rmmod and not modprobe -r?
15:42.36Paliwhy not?
15:43.12kerioso you don't have to rmmod all the deps
15:44.55kerioPali: there's no way to not autoenumerate
15:45.25Palikerio, no
15:45.30Palibut what is problem?
15:45.49Palineed to wait more seconds?
15:45.58kerioidk
15:46.10keriothe light for boost mode is neat though :)
15:46.37keriowell, for host mode
15:47.59kerioanyway, an explicit "enumerate" button would be neat, but that can be done via queen beecon anyway
15:50.47Palikerio, if there is need for longer timeout before/after enumerate this can be fixed
15:51.57keriohm, i suppose so
15:52.32Palikerio, edit script /usr/sbin/usbmode.sh and insrease sleep <NUM> before or after usb_enum calls
15:53.42kerioPali: does it try high speed first?
15:53.52Palinow, with low
15:54.39kerio:c
15:54.40keriowhy?
15:54.56keriothis is one of the reasons automatisms are bad!
15:55.06keriowants his money back
15:56.27Palikerio, there is no way how to check for low speed
15:56.46keriojust try high, full and low in order
15:56.56keriothe first one that succeeds wins
15:57.00Paliin low speed mode, you can check if device is low speed or high/full
15:57.12keriohm
15:57.30Paliif is not low try high or full (which comes from detections)
16:04.19kerioPali: the applet calls the script, right?
16:05.09Paliyes
16:05.38kerioPali: hmm, i get "no available filesystems" or something
16:05.42kerioa couple of times
16:05.53Palithis is bug in ke-recv
16:05.54keriois the automounter trying to mount while you're enabling/disabling usb under his nose?
16:05.56kerioi see
16:06.09Palike-recv thinks that every device must be usb disk
16:06.21keriook, setting both the times to 5 seconds worked
16:06.25Paliand if you set incorrect speed ke-recv also do something
16:06.38kerioexcept that now i need 30 seconds to automount a flash drive
16:06.42kerio=)
16:07.02keriohrmpf, no easy way to unmount from the file manager
16:07.06kerioi don't like this :c
16:08.00kerioPali: touching /etc/bme-disabled makes your script only use the kernel modules, even for charging, right?
16:08.35kerio(except that i'm not advised to do so because hald-addon-fakebme still isn't there)
16:08.43kerio(and act_dead mode would fail)
16:29.20kerioPali: were the sleeps of 1 and 2 just made up by you? did they work for you? and for what?
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16:33.16Palikerio, it worked for all usb flashes and usb rj45 card
16:35.09keriohm, can you check the default values? is it boost, sleep 1, enum, sleep 2 or boost, sleep 2, enum, sleep 1?
16:36.27kerioto cssu people: can we add more terminfo?
16:37.08kerioit's something that can be done by an external package, but really *not* in a clean way
16:38.33freemangordonPali: could you push the patches from KP51r1 to KCSSU?
16:38.51Palifreemangordon, yes later
16:38.57freemangordon10x a lot
16:41.14keriofreemangordon: does cssu-thumb still depend on kernel-cssu? or does it depend on the kernel features?
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16:41.43freemangordonit still depends on kernel-cssu.
16:42.11kerio:(
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16:48.54Palifreemangordon, merged
16:49.07freemangordonPali, thanks
16:58.38Palinow going to create gitorious project rx51-bme-replacement
16:59.00kerio^_^
16:59.03freemangordongood, lets hope jonwil will change his mind and join :P
16:59.18kerioPali: is there a way to permanently disable bme?
16:59.29Palikerio, no
16:59.34jonwilNot interested in helping with the BME replacement, too busy documenting all the DBUS stuff on maemo5 fremantle :)
16:59.52freemangordonjonwil: i know, I was just pulling your leg
17:00.03freemangordon:)
17:00.37freemangordonkerio: once we have everything in place, an empty bme package will do the job
17:00.40keriothere's probably a dbus message to pull jonwil's leg
17:00.53keriofreemangordon: what about the things that *start* bme?
17:01.16freemangordonit is a script in init.d/event.d, part of bme package iirc
17:01.40kerioi see
17:01.52keriois it watchdogged?
17:04.14Pali/etc/event.d/<something> has start on started bme
17:04.44Palithis is more complicated, but I was able to disable bme in qemu
17:04.49Palicreated: https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement
17:05.25keriomaybe that package should also have a file in /etc/bme-disabled so Pali's scripts will work
17:05.46Palikerio, yes this is reason why I added this to usbmode
17:06.17freemangordonPali: thinking of removing kernel-flasher.preinst warning(for kernel-cssu), what do you think
17:06.31Paliok
17:07.04freemangordonremoving kernel-cssu-flasher.preinst will do the job, ain't?
17:08.32keriowait, why?
17:09.35freemangordonbecause it appears when system update has already started
17:10.02freemangordonplus I don't see the purpose of it
17:10.55kerioi see
17:11.00keriome neither :)
17:12.02keriofreemangordon: btw, your users should install a thumb-capable kernel *before* installing the rest of cssu-thumb
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17:15.02freemangordon:nod:
17:15.58kerioshould the thumb-dependency even be enforced? it's like requiring a particular metapackage for an architecture
17:45.28amiconnOf course the kernel update appears when I'm on a trip (and don't want to flash for safety reasons - the N900 being my only connection to the intarwebz for a while)
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18:05.41freemangordonPali: compat-wireless stuff is missing
18:06.02Paliwhat?
18:06.12freemangordonkernel-cssu
18:06.19Paliit is in extras-devel
18:06.31freemangordonhere https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/kernel-cssu
18:06.35freemangordonrules to build it
18:06.38Palido you need it?
18:06.49freemangordonbut of course :)
18:06.51Paliit is only source code
18:07.09freemangordondebian/rules in kernel-cssu
18:07.10Paliit only create multiplatform deb package with source code
18:07.32freemangordonis missing the commits to build compat drivers
18:08.19Palipacket-injection-source-stamp:
18:09.03freemangordonok, I will look at the commits and will forward-port them
18:09.08Palialso packet-injection-configure-stamp
18:09.16Paliand packet-injection-build-stamp
18:09.27Paliare in kernel-cssu-2.6.28/debian/rules
18:09.47freemangordonhmm
18:09.53freemangordonlemme check again
18:11.25Paliah I forgot to move patches from kernel-power to kernel-cssu subtree
18:11.49freemangordonwill you do it?
18:11.55Paliyes
18:12.01freemangordonwhich patches BTW?
18:12.09Palibq27x00-sysfs-registers.diff
18:12.18freemangordonok
18:12.18Paliclear_the_it_state_when_invoking_a_thumb_2_signal_handler.diff
18:12.32freemangordonPali: it is already there
18:12.39freemangordonthe last one
18:13.03freemangordondidn't you pull it from kernel-cssu?
18:13.52freemangordonPali: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/kernel-cssu/commit/07002d818c0c8b539d85da142e3caa39eec4e560
18:14.23Palifixed
18:14.31Palido git pull
18:16.21freemangordondid it, /debian/patches/bq27x00-sysfs-registers.diff is there
18:16.48freemangordonfor some reason my previous pull failed, without me noticing it
18:18.57dreamereh .. ok. I finally got network on my n900 and switched to testing, ran the update and it reboots
18:19.48dreamernow I get Error with: cp /lib/libacl.so.1 /tmp/disk/lib/ Code: 1
18:19.53dreamerno such file or directory
18:20.58dreamerhmm, rebooted a couple of times now (couldn't really do anything else, screen went black if I didn't 'press any key'), but now it's finally booting .. hmm
18:22.03dreamercool, new features \o/
18:22.09dreamerthat autoorientation is pretty neat :)
18:22.12freemangordonPali: KP51r1 bootimg provides kernel-feature-errata-430973-workaround?
18:26.41Palifail :-(
18:26.46Paliyes
18:27.14freemangordonok, I will remove it in kernel-cssu, you'd better to the same in KP :D
18:27.33Palifreemangordon, try add this dependency for metapackage: kernel-power-flasher | kernel-cssu-flasher | kernel-feature-...
18:27.37freemangordons /to / do /
18:27.59PaliHAM or apt-get should use first available package
18:28.08freemangordonPali: I want to depend only to  kernel-feature-..
18:28.17freemangordons/to/on/
18:28.25freemangordonWTF
18:29.08freemangordonAnd if I add kernel-power-flasher | kernel-cssu-flasher | kernel-feature-... as depends: , stupid hamm will pull bootimg :(
18:29.13freemangordonalready tried it
18:30.07PaliI think it try if you have already installed bootimg
18:30.16freemangordonPali: would you push a new KP, or me to do it
18:30.28freemangordonno
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18:30.45PaliI going offline now... I look at it later...
18:30.49freemangordonunfortunately it pulls bootimg as b is before f
18:30.57freemangordonok
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18:55.50dreamerwow, the desktop boots way faster now too. nice
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19:13.16lufmerlin1991: ping
19:13.58merlin1991pong
19:18.51lufTomorrow? Or today?
19:19.10lufI don't expect you answer so fast :)
19:19.20keriowait, why do you want to push another KP?
19:19.52freemangordonkerio: KP51r1 has a bug in debian/control
19:20.06kerioD:
19:20.08keriowhich bug?
19:20.14freemangordonthat could lead to unbootable devices
19:20.22kerioD: D: D:
19:20.30keriophew, my device boots
19:21.08freemangordonkernel-power-bootimg provides kernel-feature-errata-430973-workaround, but only flasher should provide that
19:21.13kerioi see
19:21.19keriowell, not really
19:21.31keriothe -bootimg should also provide that :)
19:21.36freemangordonwell, trust me on that (tm)
19:24.08freemangordonmerlin1991: btw maybe another guy will want to join CSSU (look here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1241775&postcount=25)
19:24.16RaimuOkay, if the bootimg provides the feature for all bootable kernels to use... ah, I see.
19:25.05freemangordonRaimu: once you have thumb stuff installed, you have no option, but to boot a thumb-enabled kernel
19:25.15Raimufreemangordon: Yes.
19:25.18freemangordonu-boot is a different beer
19:28.05freemangordonmerlin1991: I am thinking that soon CSSU will need a CEO and a couple of project managers :D:D:D
19:28.25keriosudo apt-get install i-promise-to-only-boot-thumb-enabled-kernels
19:28.35luffreemangordon: are you tired with development and want go higher? :D
19:28.42freemangordonno
19:29.13freemangordonthat's for sure ;)
19:29.25Raimukerio: Solemnly swear?
19:29.40lufkerio: where to get such package? :D
19:31.21freemangordonok, kernel-cssu-thumb3 built, lets see if it boots :D
19:32.12lufmerlin1991: May I ask tomorrow for new package(s) to git?
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19:55.09merlin1991luf: sure
19:55.40lufSo nothing today? :D
19:55.47merlin1991we can today aswell
19:56.29lufOk so what can I do fot it?
19:56.47merlin1991tell me what you want :D
19:57.16lufobexd and evolution-data-server patch put into cssu-devel.
19:57.34lufAnd you know what I want ;)
19:57.40merlin1991do you have a gitorious account?
19:57.49lufI think so.
19:58.16merlin1991please check the nick
19:59.01lufyou can guess ;) luf for sure. I checked it now.
20:00.09merlin1991https://gitorious.org/+cssu-developers/memberships
20:00.26merlin1991--> you can push to any repo inside the community-ssu project
20:00.27lufwhoops.
20:01.58freemangordonluf: be careful :P
20:02.29freemangordonand welcome :)
20:02.35luffreemangordon: you know I have the power :D to destroy ... :D
20:02.40keriofreemangordon: realistically, can't you just tell people to install the appropriate kernel *before* installing your flavour of cssu?
20:02.42luffreemangordon: thanks.
20:02.54freemangordonkerio: no
20:03.01keriobut why not? :c
20:03.13freemangordonjust look at cssu-thumb thread before asking me why
20:03.25freemangordon:D:D:D
20:15.36merlin1991freemangordon: CEO :P
20:16.00merlin1991hm what's the pay? 500 internetz?
20:16.14freemangordonthank you, but no, thank you :P
20:17.15freemangordonmerlin1991: well, nokia has CEO, why shouldn't we :D
20:18.08luffreemangordon: You want MS ? :S
20:19.02freemangordonwell, there are options to discuss :P
20:20.06lufHmmm in that case I should leave the cssu :( It's lost time when you plan overtake by MS :D :D
20:20.13freemangordonhehe
20:20.44freemangordonwell, I withdraw my proposal :D
20:21.01freemangordonwe'd better have luf than ceo
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20:21.51luf:D :D one point for you
20:22.19freemangordonsomehow managed to screw up kernel-cssu on gitorious, lets hope it is not fubar
20:23.24merlin1991push -f can fix a lot of things ;)
20:25.09freemangordonmerlin1991: well, it looks good, just complicated
20:26.33freemangordonit is strange that git gui refuse to push, while git push somehow succeeded
20:26.40freemangordon*refused
20:47.24merlin1991freemangordon: well if we pick up more people at some point we'll have to get some structure
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20:47.57freemangordonmerlin1991: yeah :(
20:54.28freemangordonmerlin1991: I am glad I am not the maintainer :P
20:59.07lufI vote freemangordon for CEO :D
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23:36.10Estel_I would rather face problems with forming structure due to too many contributors, than returning to 2 people dream-team working alone on CSSU* :P

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