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| 08:41.46 | Pali | I created merge requests on cssu gitorious for all packages pushed to cssu-devel |
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| 10:50.02 | _shadowx | When making a call (gsm call) does the sound stream go throu pulseaudio? |
| 10:52.04 | _shadowx | never mind :) pulse seems to start using much more CPU when there's active call, so I guess its involved :) |
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| 11:03.07 | tadzik | hmm |
| 11:03.23 | tadzik | maybe there's a way to give microphone a boost through PA then |
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| 11:12.04 | _shadowx | mm, yep , shoud be. I'll look into later today.... thou i'm more intrested if i'll be able to make it able to do encrypted calls.... but just PoC , I doubt i'll make it usable for normal users (if a |
| 11:12.39 | tadzik | my microphone sucks, more and more people complain about it |
| 11:12.50 | tadzik | maybe it could be fixed somehow on the software side |
| 11:14.08 | _shadowx | it seems so |
| 11:14.08 | _shadowx | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1454078 |
| 11:14.21 | _shadowx | check out this. ... post #3 |
| 11:15.43 | tadzik | oh, looks cool |
| 11:15.48 | _shadowx | so .... it shoud be possible and easy to do ... I'll check it out later today , when I get home, and tell you if it works. and maybe start topic on the forum so other ppl can do it it they need to (if there isnt already one ) |
| 11:18.12 | tadzik | although there's no pacmd on maemo it seems |
| 11:18.30 | tadzik | _shadowx: there are a few forum topics on that, mine included |
| 11:19.07 | tadzik | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83613 |
| 11:19.32 | tadzik | it describes sort of a different thing though, but I'd be fine with just boosting it |
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| 11:20.22 | tadzik | if you can find a nice way to do it I'll be most grateful |
| 11:21.04 | _shadowx | there is pacmd for maemo |
| 11:21.11 | _shadowx | apt-get install pulseaudio-utils |
| 11:21.12 | _shadowx | ^^^ |
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| 11:22.45 | tadzik | hehe |
| 11:23.01 | tadzik | okay, I'll take a closer look when I get back home today. Thanks! |
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| 11:24.30 | _shadowx | np :) |
| 11:25.17 | _shadowx | hey Pali, I understand i've writen an CSSU uninstaller ;) can I try it ? |
| 11:25.45 | Pali | _shadowx, if you want you can try it |
| 11:32.24 | _shadowx | where can I get it ? |
| 11:35.53 | amiconn | For what reason someone would want to uninstall cssu? |
| 11:38.05 | _shadowx | For testing purpose only. |
| 11:50.00 | Pali | it is part of cssu-enabler |
| 11:50.05 | Pali | and is in cssu-devel repo |
| 11:53.35 | _shadowx | Okay. Thanks |
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| 13:57.05 | luf | _shadowx: How to use pacmd? It returns to me: No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon. |
| 13:58.27 | merlin1991 | Pali: I've fixed the false positives yesterday, uninstalling works all the way now |
| 13:58.42 | Pali | merlin1991, yes I saw on gitorious |
| 13:58.55 | Pali | I created all merge requests |
| 13:58.59 | Pali | for all packagesä |
| 13:59.26 | merlin1991 | I'll go over them as soon as possible |
| 13:59.49 | Pali | ok |
| 13:59.54 | Pali | all are alredy in cssu-devel |
| 15:05.52 | luf | :) I get pacmd working. For record: apt-get install pulseaudio-utils pulseaudio-module-extra; pactl load-module module-cli-protocol-unix; PULSE_RUNTIME_PATH=/var/run/pulse pacmd |
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| 15:48.07 | ShadowX | btw, does the nokia stock kernel support 'noop' IO scheduler ? |
| 15:51.17 | ShadowX | and if yes, has it been discussed to make 'noop' the default IO scheduler in CSSU ? |
| 15:52.15 | amiconn | Why would someone use any other scheduler on flash based storage? |
| 15:52.21 | ShadowJK | I wouldn't make it default |
| 15:53.14 | ShadowJK | CFQ in maemo5 performs vastly better than noop scheduler that was default in maemo4 |
| 15:53.22 | ShadowX | noop is faster on non spinning devices , it is simples - so less operations - less power. |
| 15:53.32 | ShadowJK | Neither are optimal, of course |
| 15:53.45 | ShadowX | ShadowJK, mm.... maybe i'm wrong , but i've been switching between noop and cfq for the last few days and noop seems better. |
| 15:54.54 | ShadowJK | We don't have SSDs though. The flash storage behaves more like a tape drive :) |
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| 15:55.40 | ShadowJK | It really, really, really, really hates random access writes |
| 15:56.22 | ShadowX | mm..can't agree that the flash storage is closer to tape drive then to ssd , specialy when it comes to IO scheduling |
| 15:56.36 | ShadowJK | random 4k writes yield less than 50kbytes/sec, whereas pure sequential write flies along at close to 8-10 megabytes/sec :) |
| 15:56.51 | freemangordon | I've tried noop when I was playing with different scheduler settings and ca confirm that noop is much worse than cfq |
| 15:57.08 | freemangordon | s/ca /can / |
| 15:57.50 | ShadowX | maybe some other changes i've made are making the difference in my case.... |
| 15:57.54 | ShadowJK | So in that sense, the most optimal would be to always write sequentially with no seeking, like a tape drive |
| 15:58.37 | freemangordon | initially it looks faster, but after a while device starts to stutters very badly |
| 15:58.54 | freemangordon | s/stutters/stutter/ |
| 15:59.37 | ShadowX | freemangordon, after how much time ~ ? can the swap fragmentation be the reason ? |
| 16:00.44 | freemangordon | NFC, but the end effect is bad |
| 16:00.53 | ShadowX | 'cose i'm re-swaping few times a day and maybe that's why its behaving better in my case. |
| 16:01.03 | ShadowX | Ok, thanks for the info :) |
| 16:01.10 | ShadowJK | Already if it's not delaying/batching writes, and constantly "switching" between writing to emmc, ext, swap.. |
| 16:01.28 | ShadowJK | that'd cause severe slowdown |
| 16:02.23 | ShadowX | btw , with what kernel was maemo4 ? |
| 16:04.10 | ShadowJK | btw, bought a new sandisk 32M card, the block size is 4M. 4!! Megabytes!! This means that if you write 512 bytes at start of card, and for example 512 bytes in middle of card, the card will internally read 4M, erase 4M, write 4M, twice! |
| 16:04.58 | ShadowJK | Sequential write about 10M/s on that thing, but due to 4M block size, once you hit swap fragmentation (or mix swap / filesystem accss on it), it' be like hitting a brick wall :) |
| 16:07.48 | ShadowX | 32M card...4M blocksize , so 8 blocks only? |
| 16:08.09 | amiconn | s/M/G/ I guess... |
| 16:08.28 | ShadowX | that makes more sense :) |
| 16:08.44 | jon_y | 4G blocks? |
| 16:08.54 | amiconn | hahaha |
| 16:09.18 | amiconn | didn't say s/M/G/g |
| 16:11.26 | ShadowJK | 32G |
| 16:11.48 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 16:12.05 | ShadowJK | Getting LogFS or similar instead of ext3 would be interesting :) |
| 16:12.13 | jon_y | well, 4G cells might make sense if you have 32TB :) |
| 16:13.01 | ShadowX | ShadowJK, btw it looks like maemo5 is using the defualt IO scheduler. as was maemo4. If my search was right, maemo 4 was shipped with 2.6.16 kernel. |
| 16:13.37 | ShadowX | cfq was included in version 2.6.5 if i remember correctly and became default IO scheduelr around 2.6.20 |
| 16:14.08 | ShadowX | witch dosnt mean that 'noop' is better :) just saying , maybe that's the reason why maemo4 uses it , and maemo5 uses cfq. |
| 16:20.03 | ShadowX | btw guys, sorry if I ask stupid question from time to time ....i'm still new to maemo and want to learn :D ( I got my first n900 only ~10 days ago...) |
| 16:20.54 | ShadowX | p.s. fsck nokia! now i'm thinking of getting second n900 :S |
| 16:21.38 | ShadowJK | I'm pretty sure AS was default before CFQ became the default? |
| 16:21.49 | ShadowJK | and before that, surely deadline was default |
| 16:22.15 | ShadowX | http://www.linuxinsight.com/cfq_to_become_the_default_i_o_scheduler.html |
| 16:22.20 | ShadowX | http://wiki.maemo.org/Compiling_on_the_N810 |
| 16:23.14 | ShadowJK | btw, I set /sys/block/..../queue/iosched/slice_idle to 0, to see if I can get more than month or two uptime |
| 16:23.58 | ShadowX | ooo 1m uptime on the phone will be nice :) |
| 16:24.02 | ShadowX | what's your current best? |
| 16:25.14 | ShadowJK | more than month, less than two |
| 16:25.29 | ShadowX | btw you'll probably like this (if your an uptime fan) |
| 16:25.29 | ShadowX | root@monitor:~# uptime |
| 16:25.30 | ShadowX | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.52 | ShadowJK | Not counting spare N900 that just sits idling :P |
| 16:27.40 | amiconn | rarely gets even close to such uptimes (which are overrated anyway) |
| 16:28.14 | amiconn | Kernel updates kill uptimes ;) |
| 16:28.43 | ShadowX | amiconn, true , but how can I reboot the box :? will you have the hear to reboot box with 1k+ days uptime ? :) |
| 16:29.04 | amiconn | pffft |
| 16:29.56 | amiconn | $ uptime |
| 16:29.56 | amiconn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.09 | amiconn | Last reboot was due to sata problem |
| 16:30.18 | ShadowX | this is homebox ? |
| 16:30.41 | amiconn | This is my homeserver/workstation combo |
| 16:31.06 | amiconn | (and yes, the load average is not a mistake. dnetc running on a Core i7) |
| 16:31.34 | ShadowX | i thought the load was 'cose youre compiling something ;D |
| 16:32.12 | ShadowX | btw load 8 is not much ..can't even notice load lower then 10-15 on most servers (form the user point of view) |
| 16:33.31 | amiconn | Well it depends on the type of load. This one isn't noticeable because dnetc runs at nice 19 |
| 16:34.02 | ShadowX | oh ...in that case - sure :) |
| 16:34.02 | ShadowJK | It's not that I'm an uptime fan, I just hate unexpected/forced reboots |
| 16:34.08 | ShadowX | btw why did you get i7 ? |
| 16:34.50 | amiconn | Why not? Good performance at quite low power |
| 16:35.04 | amiconn | This is an i7-2600S, so 65W TDP |
| 16:35.56 | amiconn | My N900 usually gets to about 14 days uptime before it forces me to reboot (due to apps misbehaving) |
| 16:36.13 | ShadowX | i'm just asking :) curius why ppl give money for i3,i5,i7 .. |
| 16:36.38 | ShadowX | not that its bad cpu .... its great ... |
| 16:36.45 | ShadowX | but cpu power / price .... :/ |
| 16:36.54 | amiconn | Well, what else would you choose? AMD is way slower... |
| 16:37.08 | amiconn | doesn't deem 275€ expensive |
| 16:37.16 | amiconn | That was a year ago btw |
| 16:38.20 | ShadowX | well ... its not expensive , but my point was, AMD for the same money shoud give you at least a bit more power ..and probably will drain more power too :) |
| 16:39.19 | amiconn | used to recommend AMD back in P4 times, but that changed when Core 2 arrived |
| 16:39.20 | ShadowX | don't get me wrong i like intel :) i'm surronded only by Xeon's (with few minior expections) but AMD not that bad and most of the times you get more power for the same amount of moeny. |
| 16:39.51 | amiconn | And invest the saved money into electricity bill instead ;) |
| 16:40.10 | amiconn | My machine is running 24/7 |
| 16:43.44 | ShadowX | Mine 2. Both my boxes are running non 24/7 and have always been. |
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| 18:03.25 | tadzik | wow, since when the settings work in portrait mode? |
| 18:03.30 | tadzik | ++ to whoever did this |
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| 18:29.39 | luf | I feel like a winner :) |
| 18:41.42 | freemangordon | luf: it's good to be a king :P |
| 18:41.53 | luf | Sure :D |
| 18:42.00 | freemangordon | you know that movie? history of the world? |
| 18:42.04 | luf | PBAP working with 3 exceptions. |
| 18:42.17 | luf | I'm not sure. |
| 18:42.26 | luf | Maybe I don't know. |
| 18:42.59 | luf | It ignore first VCARD. It seems has a problem no empty line after photo and 1 ghost :D |
| 18:43.24 | luf | It add "A" at the end of 1 contact's phone number. |
| 18:44.05 | luf | No mess in numbers no randomely missing contacts. |
| 18:44.16 | luf | It's more than I expect. |
| 18:44.47 | luf | But it doesn't try to get call history from phone :( Maybe it doesn't present such feature ... |
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| 21:20.19 | luf | Shit. I need consultation. |
| 21:20.26 | luf | freemangordon, merlin1991 ? |
| 21:20.30 | luf | Someone else? |
| 21:21.14 | luf | I imagine all 3 mistakes. I'm not sure if it's only problem of my HF so I don't know how to fix it. |
| 21:37.30 | merlin1991 | luf: pong |
| 21:39.33 | luf | merlin1991: The A suffix for number is when the contact has X-SKYPE defined. |
| 21:39.56 | luf | It seems to me like annoying bug in my HF :( |
| 21:40.49 | luf | 1) Suppress X-SKYPE on eds side isn't good idea |
| 21:41.18 | luf | 2) Suppress X-SKYPE in obex is to scan whole VCARD string |
| 21:41.42 | luf | 3) Ignore it means I can't use skype contacts :( |
| 21:42.09 | luf | Of course I'll try to contact HF manufacturer but I don't expect they fix it :( |
| 21:42.45 | luf | I see no configuration possibility to enable/disable SKYPE supress on demand. |
| 21:46.42 | luf | It seems only 2 is option for me. |
| 21:53.21 | merlin1991 | luf: atm I'm quite pissed so I'll think over it tomorrow? :D |
| 22:05.14 | luf | merlin1991: ok. BTW what about curl? |
| 22:06.38 | merlin1991 | didn't have the chance today, but tomorrow I should be able todo everything |
| 22:12.17 | luf | merlin1991: I hope you mean today (Saturday) not tomorron (Sunday) :D |
| 22:14.19 | merlin1991 | yeah :D |
| 22:14.23 | merlin1991 | time is relative ;) |
| 22:16.17 | luf | :D |
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