| 00:01.09 | merlin1991 | osso-wlan or osso-wlancond? |
| 00:02.34 | okias | what I written exactly |
| 00:03.18 | merlin1991 | ah yeah it actually contains wlancond |
| 00:03.37 | merlin1991 | might interrupt wlan conenctivity when you replace the package |
| 00:04.53 | okias | haha, and what about "apt"? :-D |
| 00:05.05 | okias | that could interrupt further apt-get. right? :-D |
| 00:05.21 | okias | I guess manual removing package is not acceptable :-D |
| 00:05.40 | merlin1991 | yea |
| 00:05.46 | merlin1991 | just do it as the last one |
| 00:06.02 | okias | merlin1991: do you use lastest cssu? |
| 00:06.09 | merlin1991 | ie do it together with installing mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 00:06.15 | merlin1991 | okias: ofc I do :D |
| 00:06.25 | okias | merlin1991: maybe, if you could bump all installed packages and I'll install which missing |
| 00:07.29 | merlin1991 | I suppose you mean dump and not bump? :D |
| 00:07.51 | okias | yeah |
| 00:08.07 | okias | sorry. it's pretty late here in czech republic (02.08) |
| 00:08.22 | merlin1991 | no worries, I'm from vienna :) |
| 00:08.29 | okias | LOL |
| 00:08.31 | okias | OMG |
| 00:08.35 | okias | problem FIXED |
| 00:08.54 | merlin1991 | huh? |
| 00:08.54 | okias | http://paste.debian.net/174199/ check it! :-D |
| 00:09.33 | okias | I guess deinstall says I removed it... so it include even packages accidentally removed |
| 00:09.34 | okias | :-) |
| 00:10.48 | merlin1991 | hm my list seems to be too big |
| 00:11.14 | okias | merlin1991: no problem, I got it! :-) |
| 00:11.35 | merlin1991 | you sure you don't want to check against a valid list? |
| 00:12.10 | okias | no problem, I have small clue what is what ;-) but if you have it, upload it and I'll check it for sure!:-) |
| 00:12.28 | merlin1991 | btw how did you generate that list? |
| 00:13.59 | okias | dpkg --get-selections AND deinstall mean, that I removed package, but not PURGEd ;-) so that's all package which I had installed |
| 00:15.15 | merlin1991 | http://paste.debian.net/174201 |
| 00:15.52 | merlin1991 | that's from a n900 on cssu-thumb, so just ignore the kernel-cssu* packages if you're on testing |
| 00:19.20 | okias | so at least I didn't removed so much packages ;-) |
| 00:20.37 | okias | merlin1991: thanks for list, I'll do diff ;-) |
| 00:24.31 | okias | oh still some packages missing! again - thanks |
| 00:25.03 | merlin1991 | bear in mind some of those packages are simply things from extras ;) |
| 00:29.39 | okias | merlin1991: yeah, I browser it carefully, but for example cifs modul I must have! :-D |
| 00:31.45 | okias | merlin1991: btw. does have nokia some dependency tracking? is any way to figure if I need every "libraries and support packages"? |
| 00:32.10 | merlin1991 | phew |
| 00:32.42 | merlin1991 | I guess the've put some thought into the metapackge, so that stuff should be neccesary |
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| 01:41.36 | okias | is possible to remove hildon-welcome ? |
| 01:42.13 | okias | without breaking boot. I just dont need start video sequence |
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| 10:21.51 | chem|st | freemangordon: merlin1991 how far are we from getting libcurl3 to cssu-stable? |
| 10:23.06 | chem|st | I don't want DEUs to brake their installation just because they can't wait for it any longer |
| 10:49.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | good call |
| 10:58.09 | chem|st | ty |
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| 12:02.04 | freemangordon | chem|st: it is not me to ask, it all depends on merlin1991, MohammadAG (as we should put it first in -testing) and luf. If you see a way I can speedup it, please tell me. |
| 12:12.41 | merlin1991 | DEUs? |
| 12:13.06 | merlin1991 | also, if you have cssu already installed you can upgrade with the package from extras |
| 12:13.09 | Lava_Croft | dumb end user? |
| 12:13.12 | Lava_Croft | just a wiiiiild guess |
| 12:13.19 | Lava_Croft | <---- |
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| 13:45.56 | chem|st | merlin1991: ok so it is only a matter for non-cssu users? |
| 13:46.05 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 13:46.14 | chem|st | ok |
| 13:52.22 | chem|st | so it isn't in maemo-extras but in cssu repo?! |
| 13:53.06 | chem|st | I lack some understanding here |
| 14:03.49 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05:ping |
| 14:27.24 | merlin1991 | chem|st: it is in maemo-extras |
| 14:27.33 | merlin1991 | but can only be installed if you have cssu already |
| 14:27.39 | merlin1991 | --> shouldn't actually be there |
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| 16:54.16 | chem|st | hehe |
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| 16:57.54 | luf | merlin1991: is the format-patch for curl cssu enough or have i to use only gitorious to create merge request? |
| 16:58.24 | merlin1991 | luf: I only dl it so far, I'll inspect it when I've finsihed my uni assignment today |
| 16:59.19 | luf | Ok. No problem. I see no response yesterday and archive stopped on tuesday 1:30 am or so. |
| 17:02.15 | luf | merlin1991: FYI just the last commit contains my changes to build on maemo. All previous is git://git.debian.org/collab-maint/curl.git |
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| 17:11.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: pong |
| 17:31.06 | merlin1991 | 7 parts down, 3 to go |
| 17:31.12 | merlin1991 | and my head is spinning by now |
| 17:33.08 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it turned out that rootfs is slower than /opt according to "time cat $VERY_BIG_FILE > /dev/null" |
| 17:33.19 | freemangordon | on reading at least |
| 17:33.49 | freemangordon | any comments, as I am going to move bat Qt to /opt for CSSU-thumb |
| 17:33.53 | freemangordon | *back |
| 17:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible |
| 17:34.37 | freemangordon | not only that , but when doing cat from rootfs, we have approximately 90% sys time |
| 17:35.03 | freemangordon | (and My device is OC to 805) |
| 17:35.32 | Raimu | Is it the file system compression that peaks the CPU? |
| 17:35.36 | freemangordon | so on a stock device it will be even slower |
| 17:35.46 | freemangordon | looks like that is |
| 17:35.54 | Raimu | Or something kinkier? |
| 17:35.57 | Woody14619 | root is ubfs, no? |
| 17:36.03 | freemangordon | yep |
| 17:36.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 17:36.11 | freemangordon | *ubifs |
| 17:36.28 | Woody14619 | forgot the i... am so ashamed. :) |
| 17:36.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | while 7opt is err, prinmarily a plain blockdevice |
| 17:36.47 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 17:37.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | with an own controller |
| 17:37.37 | freemangordon | ok, I am going AFK, if you can think of any reason why to not return Qt back to /opt, please ping me |
| 17:37.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | won't happen |
| 17:38.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW I'm sure there are no such reasons |
| 17:38.44 | Raimu | What kinda things apart from things you really need at boot should be in the rootfs, anyway? |
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| 17:38.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | NAND should be used for fast logging etc |
| 17:39.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | which it is, aiui (/var/log/* |
| 17:39.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ) |
| 17:40.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all afaik you can write sible bytes on NAND |
| 17:40.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | single* |
| 17:41.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and if UBI is done by a smart hacker, they do incremental writing, that never needs 1->0 bit transitions |
| 17:45.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | define EOF as 0x0000, escape char(0) as char(1) char(0), ecape char(1) as char(1) char(1) |
| 17:46.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | will require reading whole logfile to get the true length, but then you can append-write single chars without any read-modify-erase-write overhead |
| 17:47.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | define last 4 words of each block to be pointer to next block of same file |
| 17:48.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | have a simple dos-like FAT that has a 1 for each used block and a 0 for free block |
| 17:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | define 0xFFFF a deleted item |
| 17:49.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you could simply delete pointers and write new addr to next place in hashtable |
| 17:49.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | but AIUI UBI does all that already - otherwise I wouldn't know what's that magic garbage collection that happens during boot-time |
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| 18:43.14 | ShadowJK | onboot gc? aren't you thinking about jffs2? |
| 18:45.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I think N900 root has more free space after boot |
| 18:46.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't it? |
| 18:47.26 | ShadowJK | that'd also happen if you upgraded apps/libs |
| 18:47.27 | ShadowJK | but it's probably the free space estimate getting reset on boot |
| 18:50.00 | freemangordon | fun: qt-mobility 1.2 is build with no optimisations (i.e. debug) |
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| 18:55.38 | Raimu | Reason or randomness? |
| 18:56.39 | ShadowJK | atleast you could build it with both opt and dbg |
| 18:56.47 | ShadowJK | or does that fail for c++? |
| 18:58.07 | freemangordon | Raimu: NFC |
| 18:58.52 | freemangordon | debian/rules sets DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := -debug -silent |
| 18:59.00 | Raimu | Heh. |
| 18:59.51 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: didn't get "opt and dbg" |
| 19:00.31 | freemangordon | MohammadAG, merlin1991: ^^^ |
| 19:01.18 | ShadowJK | Build it with both optimizations and debug |
| 19:01.21 | ShadowJK | Aren't debug symbols like bundled in a separate package in maemo anyway.. |
| 19:02.13 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: I know that, just stating the fact that qt-mobility in both CSSU and extras is build in that way |
| 19:02.33 | freemangordon | editing configuration |
| 19:02.37 | freemangordon | right now |
| 19:05.58 | merlin1991 | doing paging by hand step by step is pita |
| 19:07.12 | freemangordon | anyone knows who atilla77@TMO is? |
| 19:12.27 | freemangordon | Raimu: I agree with what you wrote at TMO, but unfortunately I have only 24 hours per day :). I will be glad to see anyone doing that measurement in a proper way |
| 19:13.49 | Raimu | Yeah. :) I can help, but mostly when receiving orders, because I'm a noob on fire when it comes to benchmarking Linux file systems. |
| 19:14.20 | freemangordon | Raimu: And what exactly makes you think I am not :D |
| 19:14.51 | Raimu | :D |
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