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| 08:54.28 | rzs19 | marf-dbus-wrapper upnp runs at 100% anz idea_ |
| 08:54.36 | rzs19 | any? * |
| 08:58.34 | rzs19 | mawf-dbus-wrapper* |
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| 10:40.03 | chem|st | mafw... decoding something? playing music/video/sound? hickup of some media-app? (mafw and gst do that a lot to people afair) |
| 10:41.25 | chem|st | ~mafw |
| 10:41.42 | chem|st | infobot: mafw is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Media_Application_Framework_%28MAFW%29 |
| 10:41.42 | infobot | chem|st: okay |
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| 11:01.46 | rzs19 | yeah i found that too. i was playing andthe cpu wasstuck at 100%, but now it works, strange? |
| 11:01.53 | rzs19 | music* |
| 11:04.27 | chem|st | rzs19: with which player? |
| 11:08.00 | rzs19 | atm i can not look how its called, but its the default player. the n900 is for me new, had it now just for tow weeks, i think... |
| 11:08.19 | chem|st | ok |
| 11:08.57 | rzs19 | i hope it helps, otherwise, give me 20 minutes an i can take a look :) |
| 11:09.12 | chem|st | htought you are testing some... for non-cssu questions you might join #maemo and ask your questions there |
| 11:09.42 | rzs19 | i'm using the cssu version of maemo. |
| 11:10.03 | rzs19 | don't know if you guys also maintain the media player. |
| 11:12.16 | chem|st | rzs19: mainly it is some UIs like calculator and camera and a lot of hildon-* fixes you get with cssu, afaik mediaplayer is closed source |
| 11:13.00 | chem|st | a full list of you will find here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog |
| 11:15.06 | chem|st | or call it patches if you like, maemo is ment to be opensource but there are many closed source parts cssu can only replace but not patch |
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| 11:44.49 | kent_autistic | freemangordon: ping |
| 11:45.17 | kent_autistic | regarding RE of fb sharing plugin |
| 11:45.31 | kent_autistic | do you mean you re-wrote the whole app? |
| 11:48.14 | chem|st | kent_autistic: re-wrote FBapp? |
| 11:49.07 | chem|st | it was libcurl hanging on IPv6 afaik (I did not read the chanlogs) |
| 11:58.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | or was it libfbauth compiled for thumb? |
| 11:58.34 | rzs19 | chem|st: becouse i read something about,they rewrite some parts as open source? |
| 12:02.17 | kent_autistic | oh ok i was gona ask if its possible to add support to create an album with the fb sharing plugin |
| 12:03.01 | kent_autistic | i meant create new album |
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| 13:41.11 | freemangordon | kent_autistic, pong |
| 13:41.49 | kent_autistic | pls read scrollback :) |
| 13:43.06 | freemangordon | kent_autistic, what I rewrote is just a part of it (a library) |
| 13:43.40 | kent_autistic | ok thanks |
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| 14:18.38 | freemangordon | merlin1991, ping |
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| 14:48.05 | cbeau | does maemo-ssu fix the PEAP+mschapv2? |
| 14:48.37 | cbeau | oups.. I mean cssu: does CSSU fix the PEAP+mschapv2? |
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| 15:48.40 | freemangordon | cbeau, is there a bug report or something? |
| 15:49.19 | chem|st | bug 11743 |
| 15:49.21 | povbot_ | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11743 Access Wifi network using PEAP+EAP MSCHAPv2 authentication |
| 15:49.28 | chem|st | freemangordon: here we go |
| 15:49.37 | freemangordon | 10x |
| 15:50.24 | chem|st | ^^ |
| 15:50.53 | chem|st | freemangordon: do you read that guy in #maemo about libqtm? and know the thread? |
| 15:51.33 | freemangordon | chem|st, anyone tried that with latest CSSU-T? As it has some fixes in openssl. Just a wild guess |
| 15:52.02 | freemangordon | i read it, but between the lines :). Not sure what the problem was |
| 15:52.03 | chem|st | nope, but I may ask my sister to do and join in here |
| 15:52.19 | chem|st | fsckup dependencies |
| 15:52.28 | freemangordon | chem|st, no use if we on't have a wifi to test with |
| 15:52.43 | chem|st | ah no I mean the other guy |
| 15:52.54 | chem|st | the libqtm12 thing |
| 15:52.57 | freemangordon | well, is it CSSU related? |
| 15:53.12 | chem|st | in the thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79713 |
| 15:53.26 | freemangordon | ok, gimme a minute to read it |
| 15:53.31 | chem|st | someone says it did not work with 1.3.1 installed and did after a reflash |
| 15:53.42 | chem|st | so with 1.3->cssu |
| 15:53.51 | chem|st | but not 1.3.1->cssu |
| 15:54.13 | chem|st | andyfrommk |
| 15:54.24 | freemangordon | hmm, should be no different |
| 15:54.39 | chem|st | I have no further insight nor did I have that problem as I never had 1.3.1 |
| 15:55.13 | chem|st | maybe it was related to something else and the fact of "clean fresh flashed" device did help it |
| 15:55.21 | freemangordon | "trying to overwrite `/opt/qtm12/plugins/versit/libqtversit_vcardpreserver.so', which is also in package libqtm-12-versit" |
| 15:55.29 | freemangordon | WTF is libqtm-12-versit |
| 15:55.38 | chem|st | exactly |
| 15:56.23 | freemangordon | "Qt Mobility versit module " |
| 15:56.31 | freemangordon | "Transitional package (please depend on libqtm-12)" |
| 15:56.42 | freemangordon | "Maintainers: |
| 15:56.42 | freemangordon | Attila Csipa" |
| 15:56.52 | freemangordon | chem|st: achipa? |
| 15:57.03 | freemangordon | or acsipa? |
| 15:57.03 | chem|st | no idea try |
| 16:04.20 | cbeau | chem|st: what was that about sister to help... was in shower. |
| 16:05.02 | cbeau | depending where you are (canada), you could test on our wifi |
| 16:05.34 | freemangordon | cbeaum you'd better report that problem to package maintainer |
| 16:05.37 | cbeau | freemangordon: I looked through cssu list of changes but didn't see anything about icd or eap |
| 16:05.48 | cbeau | freemangordon: what package maintainer? for what? |
| 16:06.02 | freemangordon | cbeau, canada is a little bit far from here :D |
| 16:06.05 | freemangordon | (Bulgaria) |
| 16:06.16 | cbeau | freemangordon: yes, indeed a little far. |
| 16:06.18 | freemangordon | EU regulations in other words |
| 16:07.22 | cbeau | does libqtm have anything to do with wifi authentication? |
| 16:07.49 | freemangordon | cbeau: no |
| 16:10.38 | freemangordon | cbeau: my router supports wpa2 with radius server, will that do the job for testiong? |
| 16:12.42 | chem|st | freemangordon: if your radius speaks mschap... |
| 16:12.53 | chem|st | doubt it^^ |
| 16:12.56 | cbeau | no. we need something that can do/support: peap + mschapv2. I don't thinkt hat would do. |
| 16:13.07 | freemangordon | chem|st: I don't have one at home :D |
| 16:13.12 | chem|st | hehe |
| 16:13.16 | chem|st | just kidding |
| 16:13.53 | freemangordon | without a way to test it, there is just no way to fix it :) |
| 16:14.15 | freemangordon | and as all CSSU devs are in Europe, you know... ;) |
| 16:14.29 | chem|st | cbeau: remote access to your device possible? |
| 16:16.01 | chem|st | cbeau: wiki tells it does work for eduroam in ie berlin (TU+FU) |
| 16:16.03 | freemangordon | chem|st: and we need to find someone who knows more than me an the matter, Pali maybe or doc |
| 16:16.26 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: are you up? |
| 16:16.54 | Pali | hi |
| 16:16.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure |
| 16:16.59 | chem|st | gtg |
| 16:17.03 | freemangordon | Pali, hi |
| 16:17.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | 24/7 |
| 16:17.12 | freemangordon | tandem? |
| 16:17.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | but busy |
| 16:17.28 | freemangordon | (aah, it is HP NonStop these days ;) ) |
| 16:17.34 | cbeau | chem|st: remote access to what device? If you mean my phone... yeah, when it has internet. but the problem is how would you diagnose if what you're testing is internet access |
| 16:17.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: wazzup? |
| 16:18.07 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: https://bugs.maemo.org/11743 |
| 16:18.08 | povbot_ | Bug 11743: Access Wifi network using PEAP+EAP MSCHAPv2 authentication |
| 16:18.14 | cbeau | chem|st: i know wiki says works with eduroam in a few different places in fact. but I wonder if those people testeed it today with the absolute latest maemo whether it woudl still work. |
| 16:19.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | freemangordon: I once looked into it. vomited, drank so much I thought I'll forget it forever |
| 16:19.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | now you ask me about it :-S |
| 16:19.48 | freemangordon | nah, it is not me. Does it matter/ |
| 16:19.51 | freemangordon | ? |
| 16:19.59 | cbeau | my fault |
| 16:20.03 | freemangordon | :D |
| 16:20.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | honestly, nfc |
| 16:20.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | I know it been a mess |
| 16:20.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | nuttin more I can recall |
| 16:21.17 | cbeau | DocScrutinizer51: any way you know what package (osso-icd) handles the peap+mschapv2 communication with wifi? |
| 16:21.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | no |
| 16:21.42 | freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ ? |
| 16:22.31 | Pali | eduroam in prague working fine on my n900 |
| 16:23.09 | cbeau | Pali: are you connecting to it via peap+mschapv2 or is it peap+gtc or eap+ttls or some other thing? |
| 16:23.21 | Pali | wait I will check |
| 16:23.49 | cbeau | Pali: unfortunately, eduroam infrastructure has not been standardized so it is different everywhere. It's kind of frustrating. |
| 16:23.56 | tadzik | I'm using mschapv2 on my uni, works fine |
| 16:24.22 | cbeau | tadzid: are you 100% sure? It is peap+mschapv2? |
| 16:24.33 | Pali | cbeau: wpa2 eap, peap, mschapv2 |
| 16:24.37 | tadzik | eap+mschapv2 |
| 16:24.42 | Pali | this is my configuration |
| 16:24.45 | cbeau | omg! |
| 16:24.52 | cbeau | tell me more |
| 16:24.58 | Pali | I used this manual: http://www.eduroam.cz/doku.php?id=cs:uzivatel:sw:maemo |
| 16:25.03 | tadzik | eap type is peap, whatever that means :) |
| 16:25.05 | tadzik | cbeau: asking me? |
| 16:25.05 | Pali | sorry in czech but with pictures |
| 16:25.21 | Pali | and working on maemo 5 too |
| 16:26.51 | Pali | cbeau, try to configure "use manual user name" |
| 16:27.20 | cbeau | Pali: site is for N810 w maemo 2008. Are you sure it works with n900 with maemo 5 (21.2011.38-1.002) |
| 16:27.44 | cbeau | Pali: yes, I've done all this before, including the manual user name thing. I've also tried using all domain, no domain, part of the domain. no success. |
| 16:27.52 | Pali | cbeau, yes. I used that pictures for configuring eduroam for my n900 |
| 16:28.43 | Pali | I had problem, when I did not specified use manual user name I was not able to connect |
| 16:28.59 | cbeau | Oh, that is very weird. Eh, do you know the CS wireless people at your uni? Any chance you could give them your MAC and ask them to send you the log of the authentication between your device and their system? |
| 16:30.08 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: ping |
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| 16:30.24 | cbeau | Pali: yes, I am aware of that 'manual user name' thing. I've got that checked now and our uni's CS guys say they receive the username fine, but they get "Inner Tunnel Type: unknown" after that which is why they can't parse/authenticate my password. |
| 16:30.55 | cbeau | Pali: I wonder what is different between the system at your uni and ours... or between our n900... I really wish I knew. |
| 16:31.19 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ping |
| 16:32.22 | cbeau | Pali: what version of maemo (21.2011...) are you running...? I am wondering if, the fact that you have the European one makes a difference. |
| 16:32.44 | Pali | cbeau, I have no idea about wifi infrastructure on university... |
| 16:32.48 | cbeau | Pali: if that turns out the be the problem, that woudl really suck. not many n900 users on this side of the pond. |
| 16:32.53 | Pali | I have PR 1.3.1 |
| 16:33.21 | Pali | cbeau, you can try to remove all icd configs and try to configure it again |
| 16:33.31 | Pali | or you can use wpa_supplicant |
| 16:34.01 | cbeau | I don't know what that means... can you tell me what 21.2011.... version that is (check under settings, and About product) |
| 16:34.13 | cbeau | Pali: oh, can I use wpa_supplicant? How do I do that? |
| 16:34.19 | Pali | I have that last (21....) version |
| 16:34.37 | Pali | cbeau, you need to compiled wpa supplicant for maemo |
| 16:34.57 | Pali | then create dummy/null icd connection |
| 16:35.09 | Pali | and then start wpa_supplicant and dhcp client manually |
| 16:35.09 | cbeau | Pali: oh dear. Beyond my abilities. |
| 16:35.44 | Pali | I will create wpa supplicant package and push it to extras-devel in this month (if I do not forget) |
| 16:35.50 | cbeau | Pali: I don't even know how I'd go about creating a dummy/null icd... I am not even sure what that means. |
| 16:36.31 | freemangordon | cbeau: there are instruction onwiki, setting up USB network or something |
| 16:36.43 | cbeau | Pali: ouuhh, that would be nice. Would it do all the dummy/null icd connection for me or would I still be able to get that step done myself. |
| 16:36.43 | freemangordon | or bT, not sure |
| 16:36.48 | Pali | cbeau, you can ignore that now (that is needed if you will have working wpa_supplicant) |
| 16:37.13 | Pali | dummy icd plugin is needed to create fake connection |
| 16:37.44 | Pali | e.g to tell web browser that you are really connected (and not to open connection dialog) |
| 16:38.14 | Pali | I need wpa_supplicant too, but for usb host mode usb ethernet :D |
| 16:38.25 | cbeau | Pali: oh, i see. because if wpa_supplicant handles connection, the device will think no connection has been established. right? |
| 16:38.35 | Pali | yes |
| 16:38.49 | cbeau | Pali: well, it seems it would be pretty nice if wpa_supplicant worked then :) |
| 16:41.35 | Pali | cbeau, if you want I can send you my wpa_supplicant binary now |
| 16:42.03 | Pali | which I'm using for 802.1X ethernet on maemo |
| 16:42.45 | cbeau | Pali: but that would require me to figure out how to setup dummy icd and since my n900 is all I've got (not a test platform for me, it's my only phone), I'm a little apprehensive. |
| 16:43.01 | Pali | look at wiki/tmo |
| 16:43.07 | cbeau | Pali: I'll take it anyways... maybe I'll read up about doing all that at some point. |
| 16:43.16 | Pali | at least you can try to use wget/ping for testing if it working |
| 16:43.56 | cbeau | hmm, good point. no need for dummy icd then and that'd be excitement enough to get me to get the rest working. |
| 16:44.03 | cbeau | Pali: yes, I'd like that. |
| 16:44.48 | cbeau | Pali: so the point is that you are already using wpa_supplicant on your n900... is that why peap+mschapv2 works for you? |
| 16:45.58 | Pali | I'm using ttls pap for 802.1X usb ethernet on maemo |
| 16:46.01 | Pali | not for wifi |
| 16:46.15 | cbeau | Pali: oh, i see. |
| 16:46.30 | cbeau | well, thx for that. something to try now. |
| 16:46.52 | Pali | now you need to create config file with correct options |
| 16:48.15 | cbeau | Pali: oh dear. time for "man wpa_supplicant" :) Hopefully,, it's straightforward... right? |
| 16:48.44 | Pali | man wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 16:49.07 | Pali | or try to find some working config file for your wifi netowkr |
| 16:49.07 | cbeau | haha, was just reading that bit and had just typed that in ;) |
| 16:51.08 | cbeau | Pali: oh, this file looks pretty straight forward. But here's the next question: even if I get this working (and it looks pretty straightfoward in that man page), how would I then go about making n900 autoconnect to it when I'm at uni? |
| 16:51.42 | Pali | you will need to start wpa_supplicant manually |
| 16:51.52 | Pali | and then start udhcpc manually |
| 16:52.17 | Pali | $ wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c<config> |
| 16:52.23 | cbeau | Pali: yep, for now... but is there a way to get this all to be triggered when the ssid is visible? |
| 16:52.24 | Pali | $ udhcpc -iwlan0 |
| 16:52.39 | cbeau | Pali: thnx for the commands. Will save me some searching around. |
| 16:52.44 | Pali | maybe yes, but I do not know more about wpa_supplicant |
| 16:53.16 | cbeau | Pali: alright, thnx. You've been very helpful. I've got to go now. Have interview in 30 min. |
| 16:53.18 | Pali | and for dummy connection, just install package libicd-network-null from extras |
| 16:53.33 | cbeau | Pali: ok, will do. thnx. Anything else? |
| 16:53.41 | Pali | thats all I think |
| 16:54.14 | cbeau | Oh good! Well, if you do think of anything else after I've left, as long as you use "cbeau:", I'll be able to track it back later through the irc log. |
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| 18:21.54 | amiconn | chem|st, freemangordon: I am using the N900 in a WPA-EAP-PEAP-MSCHAPv2 wifi at work and authentication does work |
| 18:22.38 | amiconn | Using this network is not trouble free, as the N900 doesn't auto-connect. But this is probably due to the SSID being hidden, not due to the authentication scheme |
| 18:26.54 | luf | join maemo-ssu |
| 18:27.51 | luf | hi, what about curl into cssu-devel? What can I do more for it? |
| 18:27.52 | tadzik | ...but you're here already :) |
| 18:28.09 | luf | tadzik: sorry I forgot / :) |
| 18:30.57 | amiconn | Ah no, it *is* due to the network being WPA Enterprise - bug 3399 |
| 18:30.58 | povbot_ | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/3399 Will not auto connect to WPA-Enterprise |
| 18:31.03 | amiconn | That's a "wontfix" :( |
| 18:33.54 | amiconn | Hmm, judging from the comments it looks like it *could* be fixed in cssu |
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| 20:07.40 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ping |
| 20:23.30 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: pong |
| 20:23.40 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: you're lucky it's my first minute online today :D |
| 20:34.10 | freemangordon | merlin1991, but of course I am :P |
| 20:34.30 | freemangordon | merlin1991, FB library replacement is 100% ready |
| 20:34.36 | freemangordon | now what? |
| 20:35.24 | merlin1991 | put it in -devel and wait for me to finish the ham changes in order for -testing ? |
| 20:35.35 | merlin1991 | about the key, I'd ask mag |
| 20:35.39 | merlin1991 | you know my position :D |
| 20:35.49 | freemangordon | merlin1991, I am talking abou the source code |
| 20:35.52 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 20:36.44 | freemangordon | merlin1991, we are wating for HAM changes to have a new update? |
| 20:37.00 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 20:37.13 | merlin1991 | we are watiing for me to be online on business hours so I can pester x-fade |
| 20:37.25 | merlin1991 | seems like the packages went missing somewhere on the import |
| 20:37.35 | freemangordon | we have a repo probem again? |
| 20:37.35 | merlin1991 | mag even got the mail that the new mp is "imported" |
| 20:37.42 | freemangordon | nice |
| 20:37.52 | freemangordon | what is included in he new update? |
| 20:37.58 | freemangordon | *the |
| 20:38.07 | freemangordon | everything from -devel? |
| 20:38.47 | merlin1991 | alarmd, camera-ui, libhildon, h-h, h-d, ke-recv, libcurl, modest, pango and doosfstools afaik |
| 20:39.12 | freemangordon | hmm, gnome-vfs thing? |
| 20:39.18 | merlin1991 | ah yeah gnomevfs aswell |
| 20:39.23 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 20:39.29 | freemangordon | great |
| 20:39.49 | freemangordon | merlin1991, how we will procedd with curl thingie |
| 20:40.02 | merlin1991 | though libcurl isn't lufs update but only a security fix applied, from the bugtracker |
| 20:40.34 | freemangordon | but it seems we need lufs version |
| 20:40.58 | merlin1991 | btw did the stock fb still work with lufs version and ipv6? |
| 20:41.07 | freemangordon | yep |
| 20:41.08 | merlin1991 | dang he's offline atm |
| 20:41.32 | freemangordon | that was the version I was using to test initially, mine was still not ready |
| 20:42.04 | freemangordon | btw chem|st tested it too |
| 20:42.20 | MohammadAG | <merlin1991> about the key, I'd ask mag |
| 20:42.20 | MohammadAG | <merlin1991> you know my position :D |
| 20:42.28 | MohammadAG | you know, cause the bank of america runs off my laptop |
| 20:42.58 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: freemangordon red the fb plugin and we were discussing wether or not to put the api key into gitorious / the source package |
| 20:43.22 | MohammadAG | oh, that key |
| 20:43.22 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: I REed feedservice-plugin-fb-common, the one that is respomsible for FB login |
| 20:43.22 | MohammadAG | I thought you meant the SSH key |
| 20:43.22 | freemangordon | nah |
| 20:43.22 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 20:43.22 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, I'd put it |
| 20:43.29 | MohammadAG | it's not like no one could get it... |
| 20:43.36 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: noth keys are hardcoded in the library |
| 20:43.40 | freemangordon | *both |
| 20:43.46 | MohammadAG | yeah, I know |
| 20:43.50 | freemangordon | in cleartext |
| 20:43.55 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 20:43.56 | MohammadAG | and both keys can be fetched by anyone by using strings |
| 20:44.01 | freemangordon | yep |
| 20:44.29 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: BTW we don't have access_token renewal problem |
| 20:44.32 | MohammadAG | https://gitorious.org/qtbook/sociality-mtf/blobs/master/src/loginsheet.h#line16 |
| 20:44.42 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, cause it's Nokia's keys |
| 20:45.30 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: don't give a shit who's keys are those, it is my device ;). And I paied for it |
| 20:45.37 | freemangordon | *payed |
| 20:45.42 | MohammadAG | paid* |
| 20:45.49 | freemangordon | yeah, thanks |
| 20:46.35 | freemangordon | the other option if to register a new application with FB |
| 20:47.10 | merlin1991 | any idea what the fb tos / dev agreement says about making keys public? |
| 20:47.26 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: ^^^ |
| 20:54.54 | MohammadAG | <freemangordon> the other option if to register a new application with FB |
| 20:55.07 | MohammadAG | you won't have all APIs Nokia has |
| 20:56.19 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: so, no other option but to use that key. |
| 20:57.08 | freemangordon | and while you are correct that one could get the keys with strings, it is not so easy, as you have to own n900 |
| 20:57.37 | freemangordon | you can't just get the .debs from inet, it is an OVI store application |
| 20:59.45 | freemangordon | merlin1991, MohammadAG, could we just add an "include fbkey.h" in sourse, without that being a part of the .deb and tar.gz? |
| 20:59.57 | merlin1991 | tar gz yes |
| 20:59.59 | merlin1991 | deb ofc no |
| 21:00.04 | merlin1991 | the string is going to be in the binary :D |
| 21:00.09 | merlin1991 | though you can leave it out of git ;) |
| 21:00.10 | freemangordon | forget about .deb, I am sleepy |
| 21:00.13 | freemangordon | :D |
| 21:00.18 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 21:00.47 | merlin1991 | you can simply call the build like this "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc -Ifbkey.h" |
| 21:01.05 | freemangordon | yep |
| 21:01.06 | merlin1991 | also adding -I.git speeds up all our compiles / uploads :D |
| 21:01.27 | freemangordon | and won't add it to git |
| 21:01.39 | freemangordon | ok, I need 2 repos then |
| 21:01.47 | merlin1991 | hm? |
| 21:01.53 | freemangordon | feedservice2-dev |
| 21:02.02 | freemangordon | and feedservice-plugin-fb-common |
| 21:02.02 | merlin1991 | ah yeah true :D |
| 21:02.16 | merlin1991 | why does it have a -dev package? |
| 21:02.19 | merlin1991 | o.O? |
| 21:02.35 | freemangordon | that is a -dev package for another closed-source library |
| 21:02.45 | merlin1991 | ah |
| 21:02.49 | merlin1991 | what does that one do? :D |
| 21:03.04 | freemangordon | same as libconnui-dev for cbs-widget |
| 21:03.29 | freemangordon | uses libcurl to connect to FB |
| 21:03.52 | freemangordon | adn sqllite and some other things |
| 21:07.32 | merlin1991 | any particular names/ descriptions? |
| 21:07.46 | freemangordon | feedservice-plugin-fb-common |
| 21:07.53 | freemangordon | and feedservice2-dev |
| 21:08.48 | merlin1991 | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/feedservice2-dev |
| 21:08.54 | freemangordon | http://maemo.org/packages/view/feedservice-plugin-fb-common/ |
| 21:08.55 | merlin1991 | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/feedservice-plugin-fb-common |
| 21:08.59 | freemangordon | for the description |
| 21:09.18 | merlin1991 | makes me rofl :D |
| 21:10.30 | freemangordon | merlin1991: you kan check on your n900 for the descriptions |
| 21:10.33 | freemangordon | *can |
| 21:10.43 | freemangordon | as those on maemo.org are older versions |
| 21:11.20 | merlin1991 | I'm about to headdesk due to sleep deprivation, I don't think so :D |
| 21:11.44 | freemangordon | yeah, same here |
| 21:11.54 | freemangordon | lets continue tomorrow |
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| 21:47.10 | MohammadAG | why not include the key |
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| 21:47.16 | MohammadAG | it's not a matter to worry about |
| 21:47.32 | freemangordon | MohammadAG: osso-gnome-vfs2 is missing int the last *-pr |
| 21:50.13 | Pali | freemangordon, I do not have fb (and I do not know how is working...) but what is that key? |
| 21:50.31 | Pali | and what is problem with fb? |
| 21:50.36 | freemangordon | hmm my bad, it is in -pr, but not in the changelog |
| 21:50.50 | freemangordon | Pali: FB widget does not work |
| 21:50.58 | freemangordon | FB pphoto uploader too |
| 21:51.11 | Pali | because fb changed api? |
| 21:51.27 | freemangordon | no, there is some bug in curl |
| 21:52.15 | Pali | freemangordon, bug in curl? bug which depends on current date/time? |
| 21:52.48 | freemangordon | Pali: for some reason curl tries to use IPv6 adress when connecting to FB |
| 21:53.20 | Pali | I know that FB added AAAA record last week (or earlier) |
| 21:53.26 | freemangordon | yep |
| 21:53.41 | freemangordon | and that triggers the bug |
| 21:53.52 | Pali | ah, stupid bug |
| 21:54.11 | Pali | but then it is not only problem with fb? |
| 21:54.29 | freemangordon | Pali, so far that is the only reported bug |
| 21:55.08 | Pali | and solution is to update curl to new version? |
| 21:55.14 | freemangordon | yep |
| 21:55.19 | Pali | ok |
| 21:55.34 | Pali | but what is that key for fb? |
| 21:56.02 | freemangordon | in the meanwhile I REed a part of the FB infra responsible for login |
| 21:56.31 | freemangordon | when an application tries to use FB API it must provide 2 keys |
| 21:56.50 | freemangordon | application ID and a secret key |
| 21:57.12 | freemangordon | google for FB API key |
| 21:57.47 | freemangordon | Pali, have to take some sleep |
| 21:57.59 | freemangordon | bb for now :) |
| 21:58.04 | Pali | and you cannot use key from that nokia binary? |
| 21:58.08 | Pali | ok, bye |
| 21:58.26 | freemangordon | I can, the problem is if I publish it on gitorious |
| 21:58.32 | freemangordon | bye |
| 22:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see how that's a problem, esp when you obfuscate it a little |
| 22:04.25 | merlin1991 | it only is a problem if fb dev tos says something against it |
| 22:04.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | even ship it as binary |
| 22:05.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | you "publish" that key anyway, in each binary package some user downloads |
| 22:05.59 | merlin1991 | You must not give your secret key to another party, unless that party is an agent acting on your behalf as an operator of your application. You are responsible for all activities that occur under your account identifiers. |
| 22:06.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr, jaggedijagg |
| 22:07.17 | merlin1991 | in other words, app yes, source no |
| 22:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | shipping with the app either *is* or *is not* "giving key to other party" |
| 22:07.51 | merlin1991 | and then there is We can take enforcement action against you and any or all of your applications if we determine in our sole judgment that you or your application violates Facebook Platform Terms and Policies. Enforcement action is both automated and manual, and can include disabling your application, restricting you and your application's access to Platform functionality, terminating our agreements with you, or any other action as we |
| 22:07.51 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.14 | merlin1991 | in other words we *might* ruin fb for all n900 users of the stock plugin if we publish the nokia keys |
| 22:11.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? do as I suggested: extract the key from original nokia binary you ship partially to gitorious, by a nifty combination of dd, od, and sed, create a temporary file with some hex values which you can #include |
| 22:11.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I'd do that with my own key, sure |
| 22:11.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really the Nokia one |
| 22:11.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could do that on device |
| 22:12.07 | merlin1991 | and why do all the nifty stuff? |
| 22:12.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | in pre-install |
| 22:12.28 | merlin1991 | why not simply "not" put the key on in the source package and gitorious and have it just in the binary? |
| 22:12.45 | merlin1991 | could be argued to be "configuration" and not part of the "software" |
| 22:13.19 | Pali | but this violate GPL |
| 22:13.31 | Pali | first choose other license |
| 22:13.45 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: wrote it, he chooses the license :) |
| 22:14.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | look, we're just patching original nokia lib ;-D every single byte of it except the key |
| 22:14.24 | merlin1991 | rofll |
| 22:14.42 | Pali | :D |
| 22:14.47 | merlin1991 | well if anything freemangordon can slap any license on it, there is no (c) nokia on his code |
| 22:15.29 | merlin1991 | and since it is very maemo specific I wouldn't worry about people stealing the source, so I guess anything bsd/mit like would be perfect |
| 22:15.49 | merlin1991 | though as I wrote earlier it's up to freemangordon |
| 22:16.57 | Pali | I do not see any differences between distributing binary with key and source code with key in hexdump |
| 22:17.08 | Pali | both are same |
| 22:17.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, the lib has same name, runs on same device, for same main() with same API |
| 22:17.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I only half was joking |
| 22:18.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're indeed patching a lib, not stealing a key |
| 22:18.31 | merlin1991 | yeah :D |
| 22:18.50 | merlin1991 | btw I think we would be GPL compliant if we load the key from a file at runtime and not distribute that file :) |
| 22:18.55 | merlin1991 | (in source) |
| 22:18.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | about the non-disclosure, this can get handled by actually using whatever key is in original lib as found during install of our patch |
| 22:19.11 | merlin1991 | tricky |
| 22:19.20 | merlin1991 | we replace, thus apt removes the old lib before we place the new lib |
| 22:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 22:19.37 | merlin1991 | before *any* inst hook of our package gets called |
| 22:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | even before pre-install? |
| 22:19.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 22:20.05 | Pali | why to create some stupid hack because of license? |
| 22:20.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | just for the fun |
| 22:20.27 | Pali | :D |
| 22:20.41 | merlin1991 | Pali: I'd simply not license it gpl and be happy :D |
| 22:21.19 | Pali | I think key should be included in source code in some hexdump way |
| 22:21.55 | Pali | It is really same as key included in elf binary |
| 22:22.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | indeed |
| 22:23.10 | merlin1991 | yeah, but the fb tos explecitely forbid to publish the key outside of an application |
| 22:23.28 | Pali | source code is application part |
| 22:23.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | but then you can't download the original Nokia lib anywhere |
| 22:23.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | without 'auth' |
| 22:23.59 | merlin1991 | Pali: the wording is: You must not give your secret key to another party, unless that party is an agent acting on your behalf as an operator of your application. You are responsible for all activities that occur under your account identifiers. |
| 22:24.57 | Pali | Security through obscurity? |
| 22:25.06 | merlin1991 | apparently :/ |
| 22:25.25 | Pali | there always exists way how to obtain key from app |
| 22:25.28 | merlin1991 | though I loved the security through insanity article on tdwft :D |
| 22:25.29 | Pali | from any app |
| 22:25.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: thisx doesn't say which encoding your app has |
| 22:25.50 | merlin1991 | yeah but operator != guy reading your code |
| 22:25.52 | Pali | so you cannot write application in bash/python? |
| 22:26.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | exactly |
| 22:26.25 | Pali | then operator != guy which hexdump/objdump your code |
| 22:26.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's not what the TOS says |
| 22:27.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | incluse the key in hex, 'decode' it rot13 |
| 22:27.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | enough to "not share" |
| 22:28.13 | Pali | it is also encoded in nokia binary? |
| 22:28.34 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: but my rot26 is so much more secure ;) |
| 22:28.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | who can read c source and understand it does rot13 can as well hexdump the binary |
| 22:28.46 | Pali | I think char key[] = { 0x00, 0x01, ... }; is enought |
| 22:29.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably |
| 22:29.23 | Pali | no encoding but binary format |
| 22:29.27 | Pali | same as in elf binary |
| 22:29.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | yup |
| 22:30.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | we should ask quim |
| 22:30.26 | merlin1991 | dunno how quim can help us here |
| 22:30.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | he's the one to worry about Nokia's key, not we |
| 22:31.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | or lemme put it that way, when Nokia allows us to use the key, we are an 'agent(?)' |
| 22:31.52 | Pali | so why then ask? :D We do not worry about Nokia :) same as Nokia does not worry about us :) |
| 22:32.22 | merlin1991 | I only wory about $random people on the stock plugin suddenly not being able to use it anymore |
| 22:32.32 | merlin1991 | (because of our actions) |
| 22:32.55 | Pali | freemangordon wrote that stock plugin does not working due to AAAA record |
| 22:33.08 | Pali | problem with curl |
| 22:33.12 | merlin1991 | yeah, but a different libcurl fixes that again |
| 22:33.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: when Nokia allows us resp declares cssu replacement official, there's no reason anybody feels pissed |
| 22:33.28 | merlin1991 | which even is in extras-devel (even though it shouldn't be there) |
| 22:35.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | the point is we patch a lib but the app and platform stays the same |
| 22:35.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | the key is for the app |
| 22:35.58 | merlin1991 | I'm only jumping those hoops here to prevent the unlikely occasion of fb revoking the official nokia key |
| 22:36.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | they CANT when Nokia says thats all OK |
| 22:36.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | well they can, but why should they? |
| 22:37.04 | merlin1991 | also I'm not worried about the .deb at all, I'm thinking about the tar.gz and gitorious |
| 22:37.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | in the end for fb nuttin changed |
| 22:37.31 | merlin1991 | except that the key now is easily avaiable to anybody interested |
| 22:37.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | I see this different |
| 22:38.03 | merlin1991 | btw Pali technically we can't make the lib gpl anyway |
| 22:38.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | not any easier than with any non-encrypted binary |
| 22:38.37 | merlin1991 | it's links against the closed feedservice2 lib from nokia |
| 22:38.52 | Pali | and LGPL? |
| 22:38.57 | merlin1991 | and as per gpl we would have to provide source for that aswell |
| 22:39.08 | merlin1991 | Pali: does not help us |
| 22:39.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | the closed feed is a point |
| 22:39.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | the hex in source, not |
| 22:39.25 | merlin1991 | "our" product inclueds parts that we can't provide source to |
| 22:39.27 | Pali | LGPL allow linking with closed libary |
| 22:39.38 | merlin1991 | yeah but only if the lib is lgpl |
| 22:39.40 | merlin1991 | no the other way around |
| 22:40.17 | merlin1991 | or rather it allows you to link gpled library, but not to link against non gpl stuff and make yours lpgl |
| 22:40.41 | merlin1991 | the fun of closed components :/ |
| 22:40.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: take some sleep ;) |
| 22:41.27 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: 3 contradicting statements? not tired enough ;) |
| 22:45.58 | Pali | https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#FSWithNFLibs |
| 22:46.06 | Pali | https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLPluginsInNF |
| 22:46.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd extract the key from original lib. If we got no pre-install hook to do that, so heck this will be the first 'app' (except cssu?) that needs two packages to install completely - a chain-install |
| 22:46.53 | Pali | merlin1991, you can write program under GPL license and write exception to link closed source libary xyz into your program |
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| 22:50.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | and my TV just asks "is FB still in or alreafy out?" |
| 22:54.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | or wait, can't 'our' lib download the original one? |
| 22:54.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | during install |
| 22:54.38 | merlin1991 | please no |
| 22:55.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | please no? :-P |
| 22:55.21 | merlin1991 | we'd have to put proper headers in order to get the nokia ssu server to behave and then work with the fun packaging of an debian package (tar.gz inside ar) and still don't mess aynthing up |
| 22:55.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | eeeew |
| 22:55.44 | merlin1991 | especially the first part is not fun |
| 22:56.06 | merlin1991 | unpacking the deb actually goes quite good (ofc only if we have ar avaiable on device, I dunno that) |
| 22:56.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | can't we just use apt-get? |
| 22:56.38 | merlin1991 | since we're in install dpkg is locked thus apt-get will error out before running |
| 22:56.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | hahaha rrrright |
| 22:57.06 | merlin1991 | but we ofc could patch apt-get to allow download with locked dpkg database |
| 22:57.15 | merlin1991 | but that is just tooooooooooooo fucking much for a single api key |
| 22:57.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 23:00.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw I wonder why cssu and this 'app' don't use alarmd or a simple subshell with sleep to start that 2nd phase of install |
| 23:05.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | also ponders there's obviously some hook for doing backup prior to PR upgrade |
| 23:06.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | might be feasible to exploit that to get a copy of original lib |
| 23:07.59 | Pali | so this is reason why we should include cron into maemo and cssu :D |
| 23:08.10 | merlin1991 | nah alarmd would do fine |
| 23:08.24 | merlin1991 | but would still be a stinkin dirty hack |
| 23:08.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | or we simply install under alternative name, and do a rename in postinstall |
| 23:08.47 | merlin1991 | thou shall never touch the content of other packages with yours |
| 23:08.57 | Pali | I'm suggesting to include key into source code in hex |
| 23:08.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | haha |
| 23:09.00 | merlin1991 | part of the debian bible ;) |
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| 23:11.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, we're not allowed to redistribute Nokia (C), neither complete binaries nor excerpts |
| 23:11.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | are we? |
| 23:11.42 | merlin1991 | that key? |
| 23:11.51 | merlin1991 | we got it listening on the traffic ofc |
| 23:15.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | I think that's irrelevant |
| 23:15.39 | merlin1991 | yep, jokes usually are |
| 23:15.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | as irrelevant as encoding of our app, machinecode or c test |
| 23:31.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | honestly, make the key a user config option. ship a tool to extract key from original lib and mv original to backup plus mv patched into place |