| 00:02.22 | merlin1991 | hm any ideas how I'd cut the content of a text file up to a specific line into another file? |
| 00:02.26 | merlin1991 | (on the commanline that is) |
| 00:02.36 | merlin1991 | s/commanline/commandline/ |
| 00:21.27 | merlin1991 | hm awk did the job ( awk "{ print \$0 } \$0 ~ /LASTVALIDLINE/ { exit }" file1 > file2) |
| 00:24.00 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1207165#post1207165 |
| 00:27.43 | merlin1991 | had a look @ the clock-ui code |
| 00:27.50 | merlin1991 | there is going to be some massive refactoring |
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| 03:17.19 | DocScrutinizer | refactoring is never a bad thing to consider |
| 03:27.21 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: how about setting a "tainted" flag to version-string whenever installing anything from cssu-devel? |
| 03:30.50 | DocScrutinizer | to avoid the otherwise usual "my desktop acts up on me! CSSU. please help... [bla bla blub] [more blabla] [minutes (or hours) later] Oh by the way I installed HD-act-up from cssu-devel, could it be related?" |
| 03:33.43 | DocScrutinizer | we probably need a simple system-fingerprint tool, giving us a concise summary of state of user's installation (which versions of relevant pkg installed, from where) |
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| 06:07.26 | _freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, do you mind to rephrase a bit your warning on cssu-devel thread on TMO, Stuff like "half-baked" ,"there is no support" , etc. |
| 06:08.30 | DocScrutinizer | well, I'm open to any suggestion. I already anticipated there'll be objections ;-D |
| 06:08.38 | _freemangordon | Plus, this repo is not meant for developers, but for users who wish to help testing changes still not in "-testing" |
| 06:09.33 | _freemangordon | i.e. stuff commited on gitorious (bugfixes, etc) |
| 06:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | I definitely want avoid drifting into a situation like we see it with extras-devel now |
| 06:12.22 | _freemangordon | agree, but you know what caused that situation ;). I hope we wan't do the same with CSSU |
| 06:12.56 | DocScrutinizer | actually I'm not all that clear about what caused that situation |
| 06:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | still pondering |
| 06:13.13 | _freemangordon | BTW I really meant rephrase, your statement is just too strong and partially incorrect |
| 06:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | yes, and I said I'm open to ANY suggestion |
| 06:13.43 | _freemangordon | it was caused mainly because KP was stuck in extras-devel with no way to promote it in extras |
| 06:13.48 | DocScrutinizer | just please try to consider my intention |
| 06:14.03 | _freemangordon | i do understand it |
| 06:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | I knew it been a too strong and partially incorrect statement when I posted it |
| 06:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm more than happy to change it to a *better* wording |
| 06:15.14 | _freemangordon | well, change it then :P |
| 06:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | yes, and I said I'm open to ANY suggestion |
| 06:16.22 | _freemangordon | the truth is there is at least one package (modest) in -devel repo with a bugfix to a critical bug, and several others with bugfixes to major bugs |
| 06:16.53 | _freemangordon | nah, your english is way better than mine, plus I am still having my first coffee for the day :D |
| 06:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | on reasons for extras-devel mess: I think users' natural fascination of bleeding edge stuff done a good deal in making a "standard repo" out of extras-devel |
| 06:17.28 | _freemangordon | disagree, it was KP and a pile of sattelite applications |
| 06:17.33 | DocScrutinizer | (first coffee) same here :-D |
| 06:17.58 | _freemangordon | could be wrong of course |
| 06:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | the slightly strong wording been driven by my experiences with e.g. hostmode and no warning whatsoever could keep _all_ noobs from messing with stuff they don't understand. A stronger wording may reach the minds of a higher percentage of those noobs - the savvy will analyze even incorrect warnings and classify them the right way |
| 06:22.10 | DocScrutinizer | a warning "this is for devels only!" won't stop more than 5% of noobs from messing with stuff |
| 06:22.13 | amiconn | If it's not for developers it shouldn't be called 'devel' imo |
| 06:22.27 | DocScrutinizer | amiconn: good point |
| 06:22.35 | amiconn | thinks of this much like the debian system: stable - testing - unstable |
| 06:23.01 | DocScrutinizer | in that sense each user daring to give an untested pkg a shot already joined the class of devels |
| 06:24.56 | amiconn | I'm by no means a linux developer, but I'm running debian unstable on my main box. From time to time I'm complaining about major breakage, but I know that it may happen and I have to deal with it. It's called 'unstable' for a reason. |
| 06:25.04 | DocScrutinizer | anyway my offer stands: I'll happily change wording to any better suggestion you may come up with - don't worry about your english, I'll rephrase it so I can stand for it anyway |
| 06:25.23 | amiconn | (last occurrence was two days ago, when broken dependencies removed 'ifupdown') |
| 06:26.41 | _freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, ok. First - it is not meant for developers, but for end-users willing to help QA candidates for next -textng |
| 06:26.48 | _freemangordon | *-testing |
| 06:27.31 | _freemangordon | second - usually it is not half-baked, as there is rare totally new stuff in CSSU, adclock will be an exclusion |
| 06:27.32 | DocScrutinizer | (ps: keep in mind my option to change wording might diminish with answers to the post in that thread) |
| 06:27.52 | _freemangordon | sure |
| 06:28.26 | _freemangordon | and THERE IS support, be it on the thread or here |
| 06:28.34 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 06:28.55 | DocScrutinizer | ok, I'll rethink and change it according to your objections |
| 06:29.21 | _freemangordon | there could be regressions of course, but that is what QA is for |
| 06:29.29 | _freemangordon | etc., etc., |
| 06:29.31 | _freemangordon | :) |
| 06:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | once coffee kicked in ;-) |
| 06:29.37 | _freemangordon | yeah |
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| 14:08.31 | DocScrutinizer | arcean: hm? |
| 14:08.44 | arcean | wrong window :D |
| 14:08.50 | DocScrutinizer | :) |
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| 17:36.46 | freemangordon | merlin1991, ping |
| 17:36.58 | merlin1991 | pong |
| 17:37.28 | freemangordon | merlin1991, hard times ahead :D. I need kernel-cssu project on gitorious |
| 17:37.43 | merlin1991 | uh oh |
| 17:37.50 | freemangordon | kernel-cssu? how does it sound? |
| 17:38.02 | merlin1991 | well it's the black magic thumb kernel so dunno |
| 17:38.41 | freemangordon | no, it will be only ine kernel, and as we discussed with DocScrutinizer, there will be an sysfs entry for enabling thumb errata |
| 17:38.46 | freemangordon | *one |
| 17:40.12 | freemangordon | which will be disabled by default, so if ome day a decision is taken CSSU to include its own kernel, there will be no problem |
| 17:40.49 | merlin1991 | I just hope you find a init script that fires early enough to set it brefore anything thumb starts |
| 17:40.59 | merlin1991 | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/kernel-cssu |
| 17:41.17 | freemangordon | there is one, the same that bootmenu uses |
| 17:41.21 | freemangordon | thanks |
| 17:42.35 | freemangordon | merlin1991, also have in mind that "core" system libraries won't be thumb-compiled, after all we need maximum performance for memcpy and such |
| 17:44.10 | freemangordon | only memory/disk space hungy stuff (like Qt, gtk) and those that are always active (hd,hh, etc) will be. At least that is the plan |
| 17:44.25 | freemangordon | s/hungy/hungry/ |
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| 18:05.27 | freemangordon | Pali, ping |
| 18:30.25 | amiconn | Is there a reason why the thumb fixes couldn't be permanently enabled? |
| 18:31.39 | amiconn | Also if this is thumb2, there should be no performance impact from using it for everything (since thumb2 can mix thumb and arm instructions) afaik |
| 18:32.42 | amiconn | Actually the opposite might happen, because more code fits into the cache |
| 18:36.20 | freemangordon | amiconn, enabling thumb errata workaround slows down the CPU and that would have negative effect if there are no thumb-compiled binaries |
| 18:36.57 | amiconn | Is this workaround described somewhere? |
| 18:37.08 | freemangordon | yes, all over the internet |
| 18:37.38 | freemangordon | google for "errata 430973" |
| 18:39.14 | freemangordon | in effect it flushes BTB on every context switch |
| 18:48.31 | amiconn | Ah ok |
| 18:48.43 | amiconn | wonders how much performance this actually costs |
| 18:49.02 | amiconn | Wild guess: a few percent |
| 18:52.15 | freemangordon | yeah, from my end-user POV I don't see much of a difference if any |
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| 19:15.30 | Raimu | Any benchmark software that one could use for at least some crude measurement? |
| 19:15.59 | freemangordon | Raimu, let me first make the kernel :) |
| 19:16.18 | Raimu | Yes, Sir! |
| 19:17.28 | freemangordon | why is that? seriously, to test now performance degradation because of thumb errata workaround, you have to use latest Pali's u-boot and KP49 |
| 19:18.13 | Raimu | Yeah, I'm not in a hurry. :) |
| 19:18.28 | Raimu | Just thinking out loud. |
| 19:22.10 | Raimu | freemangordon, by the way I got rid of multiboot finally after our short chat one day. |
| 19:22.35 | Raimu | No migration pains anymore, heh. |
| 19:22.44 | freemangordon | and? how is u-boot? |
| 19:22.50 | freemangordon | aah, yeah |
| 19:23.07 | Raimu | No comment yet. :) |
| 19:23.09 | freemangordon | btw which kernel do you use? |
| 19:23.13 | Raimu | kp50 |
| 19:24.25 | freemangordon | well, now you have (hopefully) latest u-boot, you can install KP49 modules and bootimg and test how is the performance with thumb errata workaround enabled |
| 19:25.03 | freemangordon | NFC what benchmark to use |
| 19:26.18 | Raimu | Yup, thanks. |
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| 22:19.50 | arcean_ | merlin1991, MRs for h-desktop and h-home are still waiting :P |
| 22:20.48 | arcean_ | what can I do to upload them to the community-devel repo? |
| 22:43.41 | merlin1991 | sec |
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