| 01:52.07 | ShadowJK | Might help with race to idle. Not helping the dwindling availability of working N900s |
| 01:53.49 | DocScrutinizer | on same topic: I wonder if omap3530 are available still, for spare/repair&refurbish |
| 01:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | I'd think if you could manage to swap digitizer and SoC, you can happily buy used N900 |
| 01:57.00 | DocScrutinizer | preferably omap3530 with proper POP chip |
| 01:57.39 | DocScrutinizer | while swapping whole SoC might be feasible, I'd not like to swap the POP |
| 01:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | I actually even wonder how they managed to avoid the POP "falling off" during reflow. Glued? |
| 01:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | simple adhesion |
| 01:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 02:03.12 | DocScrutinizer | dang, a OMAP3530 binned for 1GHz+, with a 1GB RAM (+NAND) POP, that might actually be worth the effort |
| 02:05.18 | DocScrutinizer | I'd get me a poper SMT reworking station and would buy all the N900 I could get |
| 02:06.43 | DocScrutinizer | swap SoC, swap digitizer, put the thing into a new white case, sell -> profit |
| 02:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | of course isbfix :-D |
| 02:07.25 | DocScrutinizer | USBfix* |
| 02:16.08 | DocScrutinizer | if only TI had put an "odometer" in their CPU |
| 02:16.24 | DocScrutinizer | persistent one |
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| 10:23.23 | dafox | hi all. I just tried to update my phone, but now it seems to have gotten stuck. The screens says '(no updates available)', and only that, no controls etc. It doesn't seem to respond to any keypresses other than turning the screen on again. What do I do now? |
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| 10:51.48 | Lava_Croft | apple cleaning cloth > n900 cleaning cloth |
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| 12:01.18 | dafox | Lava_Croft: any idea on how to handle the above situation? |
| 12:01.44 | Lava_Croft | no:( sounds bad |
| 12:02.32 | dafox | what would happen if I just turned it off in this state? |
| 12:02.45 | dafox | could I just try to update again? (assuming it still boots) |
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| 12:07.13 | tadzik | if I were you I'd just reboot it. What kind of update was it? |
| 12:07.55 | tadzik | also, do you happen to have an ssh server installed, and the phone connected to the network of some sort? |
| 12:10.32 | dafox | it was a ssu update, I think, it also included some other packages |
| 12:10.38 | tadzik | ah |
| 12:10.43 | dafox | I do have a ssh, but I didn't connect to wifi |
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| 12:12.45 | dafox | tadzik: 'ah' as in 'good, nothing serious updated', or 'ah' as in 'critical system components updated' ? |
| 12:13.06 | tadzik | dafox: 'ah' as in "oh, SSU, then I don't know what to do " |
| 12:13.23 | dafox | :( |
| 12:13.30 | dafox | I can still reach the power-button menu |
| 12:13.47 | tadzik | I'm on SSU for half a day myself, I don't know how much danger could possibly an interrupted SSU update bring |
| 12:13.48 | dafox | I could try the 'switch off' button |
| 12:14.01 | tadzik | well, you do have backupmenu, don't you? |
| 12:14.15 | dafox | no, I haven't set it up yet :/ |
| 12:14.19 | dafox | stupid, I know |
| 12:14.50 | Lava_Croft | i dont use backupmenu:P |
| 12:18.20 | dafox | DocScrutinizer, merlin1991: hi. You usually know a lot about maemo/ssu . Could you please give me some advice regarding the above problem? |
| 12:23.20 | freemangordon | Pali, DocScrutinizer, seems after all dosfslabel is fsked and cannot set fvat label correctly, while mlabel has an option to use device name :) |
| 12:23.28 | tadzik | since a non-zero number of people are watching, did anyone have problems with a "silent" microphone on N900? Nothing SSU related I suppose; it works, but people on the other side tend to barely hear it |
| 12:23.57 | freemangordon | mlabel -i /dev/mmcblk1p1 ::NEWLABEL |
| 12:24.15 | freemangordon | going to fix that on gitorious |
| 12:24.44 | freemangordon | merlin1991, sould we push newer dosfstools in that case? |
| 12:40.06 | Sicelo | tadzik: #maemo |
| 12:40.28 | tadzik | yeah, probably |
| 12:48.40 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: yes, new recent mlabel is probably bearable |
| 12:49.33 | freemangordon | noo, the one in maemo supports that |
| 12:49.41 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer ^^^ |
| 12:49.43 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 12:49.46 | freemangordon | yep |
| 12:49.59 | freemangordon | anyway, i will try to fix dosfslabel |
| 12:50.22 | DocScrutinizer | t900:~# mlabel -V |
| 12:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | Mlabel version 3.9.10, dated March 2nd, 2005 |
| 12:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | configured with the following options: disable-xdf disable-vold disable-new-vold disable-debug enable-raw-term |
| 12:50.52 | DocScrutinizer | t900:~# mlabel --help |
| 12:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | mlabel: invalid option -- - |
| 12:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | Mtools version 3.9.10, dated March 2nd, 2005 |
| 12:50.56 | freemangordon | i've tried it with the above command and it works ok |
| 12:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | Usage: mlabel [-vscVn] [-N serial] drive: |
| 12:51.22 | freemangordon | yeah, but look in the code :D |
| 12:51.36 | freemangordon | case 'i': |
| 12:51.40 | freemangordon | set_cmd_line_image(optarg, 0); |
| 12:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | nuts# |
| 13:03.24 | dafox | DocScrutinizer, freemangordon: hello? |
| 13:03.46 | freemangordon | dafox, hi |
| 13:04.13 | dafox | freemangordon: could you please give me some advice regarding my phone's situation (as described above)? |
| 13:04.53 | freemangordon | dafox, sorry, right now I am burried in dosfstool source code, better ask on #maemo |
| 13:05.26 | DocScrutinizer | dafox: no clue what's going on with your phone |
| 13:05.57 | dafox | ok, but what are my chances and options? Is there anything besides a reboot that I can try? |
| 13:06.03 | DocScrutinizer | might be some process hogging RAM and causing swap hell |
| 13:06.44 | DocScrutinizer | before you boot, try taskswitcher, switch to most suspicious task, try "kill current task" from power menu |
| 13:07.10 | dafox | it still responds somewhat to powerbutton, but for example the ctrl-backspace does not work |
| 13:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | I've seen phone lock up for 90min, when some nasty flash webpage ate all RAM |
| 13:07.22 | dafox | I think the desktop might have crashed or something |
| 13:07.40 | DocScrutinizer | unlikely |
| 13:08.03 | DocScrutinizer | keep in mind it probably stacks up all the commands you give to it |
| 13:08.13 | dafox | I /strongly think/ the desktop has crashed |
| 13:08.16 | DocScrutinizer | and executes them later, with possible huge delay |
| 13:08.56 | dafox | it still responds quickly to the menu, and I've launched the phone with that, where I can scroll (smoothly) |
| 13:09.04 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest you try shift-ctrl-X |
| 13:09.09 | DocScrutinizer | to get a terminal |
| 13:09.14 | DocScrutinizer | the launch htop |
| 13:09.37 | DocScrutinizer | then* |
| 13:09.55 | dafox | shift-ctrl-x doesn't seem to work |
| 13:10.01 | dafox | however the power-button-menu is on the top-left of the screen, rather than in the center |
| 13:10.27 | dafox | also the usual controls (the maximime-window-type button on the top left, battery indicator) are missing |
| 13:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, sounds like X got confused, possibly even gfx |
| 13:11.06 | dafox | lock-screen is also not centered on screen |
| 13:11.12 | DocScrutinizer | often some freaky widget can cause this |
| 13:11.24 | dafox | it happened during an update |
| 13:11.26 | DocScrutinizer | reboot |
| 13:11.45 | dafox | and I was afraid to just reboot without getting some advice on what might go wrong first :) |
| 13:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | I dunno what might go wrong |
| 13:12.16 | DocScrutinizer | I friggin dunno even what's wrong now |
| 13:12.42 | dafox | ok, I'll try rebooting then |
| 13:12.55 | DocScrutinizer | you could try plugging it to USB and make a backup of your MyDocs at least |
| 13:13.02 | dafox | too late |
| 13:13.05 | dafox | it's off now |
| 13:13.26 | dafox | that was the kind of tip I was looking for though, thanks |
| 13:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | nah, backup of MyDocs won't be needed |
| 13:15.04 | dafox | DocScrutinizer: ok, it seems to still boot |
| 13:15.32 | dafox | lol it even said 'operating system successfully updated' |
| 13:15.52 | dafox | there are still updates pending though |
| 13:16.14 | dafox | do you think I should try updating again? |
| 13:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 13:16.30 | dafox | ok |
| 13:16.52 | dafox | this will take a while, probably |
| 13:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | afk |
| 13:17.35 | dafox | don't leave me hanging man :p |
| 13:34.49 | dafox | ok, updated and rebooted, seems to still work |
| 13:36.09 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, FUUUUK, again, the case with Qt 4.7.4 DAMN STUPID gcc -Ox flags, that can't be true :(. gcc optimisations screw dosfstools |
| 13:36.24 | freemangordon | without -O2 it works |
| 13:36.27 | dafox | thanks for the encouraging words everyone :) |
| 13:36.50 | DocScrutinizer | bwahahaha |
| 13:36.59 | dafox | btw, does anyone know why 90% of the time n900 refuses to boot while charging? |
| 13:37.03 | freemangordon | dafox, this is #maemo-ssu developers, contributors, ets channel, not first line of support |
| 13:37.45 | DocScrutinizer | dafox: I never seen any such problem |
| 13:37.55 | dafox | sorry, I thought it might be related to ssu :/ |
| 13:38.04 | DocScrutinizer | it just takes some 30s after USB plugin to settle |
| 13:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | then it boots |
| 13:38.14 | DocScrutinizer | on powerbutton |
| 13:38.47 | DocScrutinizer | dafox: ignore freemangordon, he's in grumpy mood today ;-) |
| 13:38.52 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, please, tell me, why , why the hell it is always the same and always happens to me |
| 13:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | I dunno :-D |
| 13:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | take it easy |
| 13:39.11 | dafox | for me it usually starts to boot (nokia logo), then freezes for a while, then reboots into 'offline charging' mode (the state it goes to when you plug in the charging while it's off) |
| 13:39.12 | freemangordon | dafox, yeah, DocScrutinizer is right :D |
| 13:39.37 | dafox | ok, you scared me a bit though :) |
| 13:40.01 | DocScrutinizer | dafox: that's absolutely normal behaviour |
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| 13:40.35 | DocScrutinizer | after plugin of USB |
| 13:40.42 | dafox | you mean you're not supposed to be able to (re)boot the phone while it is connected to the charger? |
| 13:41.03 | DocScrutinizer | err, what do you mean with 'reboot' |
| 13:41.10 | freemangordon | dafox, when you power-down the device with charger connected, it actually boots maemo in so-called ACT)DEAD mode, and that takes time |
| 13:41.30 | freemangordon | until that mode has settled you cannot power-up the device |
| 13:41.34 | DocScrutinizer | you can't power down when charging |
| 13:41.47 | DocScrutinizer | and what freemangordon said, too |
| 13:42.44 | DocScrutinizer | when you connect to USB, you need to wait 30s til "powering up" via powerbutton |
| 13:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | same after you "powered down" with USB plugged in |
| 13:43.51 | DocScrutinizer | and no, that's no CSSU issue |
| 13:44.14 | DocScrutinizer | powerkernel has some special issues in that regard |
| 13:44.36 | dafox | Let me try to explain as clearly as possible what happens: Phone is on. I plug in the charger, it starts charging. Then for some reason (usually updates) I want to reboot the phone. It powers down, then powers up to 'charging mode'. Until it has finished booting the power button won't work (the LED does not turn white). Then I push the power button until the led lights. Then the led turns of, but the vibration does not happen. The phone starts to b |
| 13:44.37 | dafox | oot, showing the nokia logo ('NOKIA', not the handshake). Then after a while it reboots into 'charging mode' again. |
| 13:45.02 | DocScrutinizer | it seems with powerkernel it actually fails to boot to active state when plugged to USB and you press powerbutton |
| 13:45.03 | dafox | I am running the power-kernel, and I am allowing (slight, dynamic) overclocking |
| 13:45.56 | DocScrutinizer | you pressed the power button either too early, or too long |
| 13:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, and with powerkernel that's actually a known problem |
| 13:46.20 | freemangordon | dafox, which version of kernel-power? |
| 13:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | you should unplug to boot up |
| 13:47.02 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, that is fixed in v50, that is wahy I am asking |
| 13:47.06 | dafox | aha, ok |
| 13:47.14 | DocScrutinizer | unless somebody fixed it n recently'ish kernel |
| 13:47.15 | dafox | I think it might have just been updated, let me check |
| 13:47.29 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 13:47.36 | dafox | I have 2.6.28.10-power50 |
| 13:47.46 | freemangordon | is it still reproducible? |
| 13:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | fine, so give it a test |
| 13:47.51 | freemangordon | :D |
| 13:48.01 | dafox | I'll try, it just failed on first boot |
| 13:48.32 | dafox | So, 'switch off', wait for it to boot, then wait 30 more seconds, then press power button briefly? |
| 13:48.35 | DocScrutinizer | you first should boot normally 2 or even 3 times, for system to settle, after flashing/update |
| 13:48.36 | dafox | How briefly? |
| 13:49.08 | DocScrutinizer | you did it right |
| 13:49.08 | dafox | I didn't flash, just normal over-the-air update |
| 13:49.24 | dafox | until the led turns white and then off? |
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| 13:49.37 | DocScrutinizer | then one normal boot aftter the boot involved in update shall suffice |
| 13:49.43 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 13:49.55 | DocScrutinizer | takes some 3..4s iirc |
| 13:50.01 | DocScrutinizer | maybe less |
| 13:50.56 | dafox | ok so this time it reboots again, let me try once more with a 'unpowered boot' in between |
| 13:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | it's actually some bug "I" introduced with hostmode |
| 13:52.28 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon looked into it to fix it |
| 13:52.39 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: didn't you check it? |
| 13:55.14 | freemangordon | if the bug is fixed? |
| 13:55.22 | freemangordon | of course |
| 13:56.09 | freemangordon | but it could be that dafox has some another problem |
| 13:56.41 | freemangordon | and it is better if he leaves convinced that the bug is no more there |
| 13:57.28 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, do you know what dosfstools (>> 3.0.1-1maemo2) is supposed to mean? |
| 13:57.32 | freemangordon | I mean >> |
| 13:57.38 | dafox | ok, it still reboots when booting with the usb charger connected |
| 13:57.40 | freemangordon | in control file |
| 13:58.03 | freemangordon | dafox, how many times? |
| 13:58.30 | freemangordon | as actually there should be 2 reboots AFAIK |
| 13:58.35 | dafox | 4 reboots so far, since I asked my question here |
| 14:00.14 | freemangordon | hmm, >> means strictly later |
| 14:01.00 | dafox | doesn't it normally mean 'much bigger/later/greater' |
| 14:06.10 | dafox | freemangordon: anyhow, seems like the reboot issue is still present. Are there any logs you'd like me to peek at? |
| 14:07.44 | freemangordon | the only thing you can do is to enable framebuffer console and to capture a video of the boot process. search on TMO on how to enable framebuffer console. |
| 14:10.13 | dafox | I don't have anything on hand to record, sorry. |
| 14:22.22 | DocScrutinizer | you could do a uname -a |
| 14:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | dafox: ^^ |
| 14:23.32 | dafox | DocScrutinizer: that would give me just the kernel version? |
| 14:23.42 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 14:23.58 | dafox | (which is 2.6.28.10-power50, as I said before :) |
| 14:24.08 | DocScrutinizer | aah, k |
| 14:24.38 | DocScrutinizer | if you already did uname -a, then why you're asking what it does? ;-) |
| 14:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | though this string doesn't look like uname output |
| 14:35.24 | tadzik | aaargh |
| 14:36.04 | tadzik | I had leftover alsamixer process running and it drained my battery in 2 hours |
| 14:36.12 | tadzik | ffs |
| 14:39.18 | dafox | DocScrutinizer: just making sure what you said matched what you meant. The full string is 'Linux nodame 2.6.28.10-power50 #1 PREEMPT Sun March 18 20:10:56 EET 2012 armv71 GNU/Linux' |
| 14:40.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | tadzik: weird |
| 14:40.29 | tadzik | so much for geocaching today |
| 14:41.26 | Lava_Croft | protip: get more batteries |
| 14:41.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd rather suspect GPS drqained battery :) |
| 14:42.10 | tadzik | not really, it wasn't even on. I just looked at the battery widget and "wtf". Then htop explained the mystery |
| 14:42.12 | Lava_Croft | that doesnt matter if you have more batteries! |
| 14:42.20 | Lava_Croft | i always carry around 2 spare ones |
| 14:42.26 | Lava_Croft | and theres another few at home |
| 14:42.28 | tadzik | heh |
| 14:42.34 | Lava_Croft | they are quite small |
| 14:42.37 | freemangordon | Pali, merlin1991, whoever is interested, a new version in ke-recv and dosfstools in cssu-devel repo |
| 14:42.41 | Lava_Croft | just get em in a ziplock bag and its waterproof too |
| 14:43.01 | Pali | freemangordon, ok, I will change battery and test it |
| 14:43.09 | Lava_Croft | tadzik: n900 batteries arent that expensive |
| 14:43.16 | Lava_Croft | here its like 7euros orso |
| 14:44.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway I'd like to ask for a bit more on-topic |
| 14:44.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | generally |
| 14:45.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | battery issues on N900 are best discussen in #maemo |
| 14:45.26 | tadzik | Lava_Croft: well, I'm not even on a journey of my life, I just went to $dayjob, unaware of the dangers :) |
| 14:45.33 | tadzik | sorry |
| 14:45.39 | Lava_Croft | be prepared |
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| 15:03.51 | Pali | freemangordon, working fine |
| 15:26.24 | freemangordon | Pali, did you try both fat/ext3? |
| 15:26.52 | Pali | I tried this: sudo dosfslabel /dev/mmcblk1p6 data; echo $? |
| 15:26.53 | freemangordon | BTW I didn't check "format" option |
| 15:26.59 | Pali | and it returned 0 |
| 15:27.13 | Pali | sudo dosfslabel /dev/mmcblk1p6; echo $? |
| 15:27.18 | Pali | data |
| 15:27.18 | Pali | 0 |
| 15:27.28 | Pali | so dosfslabel is fixed |
| 15:27.31 | freemangordon | Pali, try to rename a volume in filemanager. you did apt-get update/upgrade, aint? |
| 15:27.40 | Pali | yes |
| 15:28.11 | freemangordon | so, rename in filemanager should work too, as is format, but i didn't check latter |
| 15:28.42 | freemangordon | can you test both rename and forma? |
| 15:28.49 | freemangordon | *format |
| 15:28.55 | Pali | I tested now renaming fat32 via filemanager |
| 15:29.10 | Pali | working fine, but it renames to UPPER characher |
| 15:29.31 | Pali | filemanager show alwyas first character upper and toher lower |
| 15:29.35 | freemangordon | well, that is something in ke-recv |
| 15:29.44 | Pali | but dosfslabel show all in upper |
| 15:30.46 | Pali | going to try rename ext4 part |
| 15:31.36 | Pali | sees working (but again renamed to upper chars) |
| 15:32.37 | Pali | but it still umounting mmc device! |
| 15:33.35 | freemangordon | Pali, mmc device should not be unmounted, how did you find that |
| 15:33.35 | Pali | In syslog after renaming I have this line: ke_recv[7175]: device_removed:2684: udi: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_a8fc87cf_2150_4e5b_a5c2_f345fa9d7b4c |
| 15:33.59 | Pali | so seems that hal removing device and ke-recv unmounting it |
| 15:34.03 | freemangordon | taht is because of HAL reprobe, but the device is not unmounted |
| 15:34.39 | freemangordon | you could check that by opening a file on the volume to rename |
| 15:35.35 | Pali | see my syslog: http://pastebin.com/SUWCGDpw |
| 15:36.31 | Pali | you can see kernel (dmesg) ext4 output that mmc device was unmounted |
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| 16:13.49 | Pali | freemangordon, I have better solution for find_by_property |
| 16:14.13 | Pali | mmc_info_t structure has linked list for all volumes |
| 16:14.43 | Pali | so we can find which is device in string dev |
| 16:15.11 | Pali | ans volume_list_t has stored needed udi |
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| 17:32.56 | amiconn | DocScrutinizer51: You mentioned boot times. When powering down my N900, I *always* have to wait at least 30 seconds before powering on works again. I wonder whether this is normal |
| 17:43.41 | merlin1991 | amiconn: yes it is |
| 17:44.19 | amiconn | Is there a faster way to reboot? |
| 17:46.40 | NIN101 | I guess dsmetool -b |
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