IRC log for #maemo-ssu on 20120408

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06:38.35amiconnmerlin1991: That post reminds me: Is the upgrade to Qt 4.7.0 part of CSSU?
06:39.51amiconnI'm asking because it is incomplete - some packages needed for building stuff in scratchbox are missing (e.g. qt4-dev-tools for lconvert)
06:48.35Lava_Crofthi i have 150 apps installed and now i think its cssu that breaks stuff!!111
06:48.42Lava_Croftgoddamn
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09:22.21BCMMsince the last cssu testing upgrade, the keyboard status appears to be ignored for rotation purposes
09:22.53BCMMi.e. if the phone is vertical with the kb open, autorotated apps are vertical too
09:23.17BCMMand the phone up is always rotated
09:23.24BCMMany ideas to fix it?
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11:02.36freemangordonBCMM, cannot reproduce it here
11:03.40BCMMis there a setting for that in transitiond.ini perhaps?
11:03.55BCMMs/tiond/tions/
11:13.48Lava_CroftBCMM: i cant repro it either
11:14.03Lava_Croftrotation works fine here :(
11:14.10Lava_Croftwell, actually :) for me
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11:20.07freemangordonBCMM, no, there is no such setting
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11:29.43merlin1991amiconn: cssu brings QT 4.7.4
11:29.54merlin1991I think 4.7.0 came with pr 1.2
11:34.37freemangordonPali, any clue where to searc in ke-recv source for partition names?
11:34.44freemangordonfile would be enough
11:35.07Palipartition names should be get from hal
11:35.20Palii think see file event.c
11:35.23Palior ke-recv.c
11:35.27freemangordonok, thanks
11:36.19Palimerlin1991, is qt 4.8 also for maemo?
11:36.29Palior is qt maemo dead?
11:36.29merlin1991afaikt not
11:36.35freemangordonwhy?
11:36.39merlin1991there are no #maemo ifdefs in qt 4.8 anymore
11:36.41freemangordonwe just need to compile it
11:36.53freemangordonok, backort it :D
11:37.14freemangordons/backort/backport/
11:37.29merlin1991it will still work (Mag compiled it some time ago) but we'll loose 100% of maemo optimisation and maemo specific stuff
11:37.55Paliso qt maemo was not upstreamed?
11:38.36freemangordonmerlin1991, there are just a couple os maemo specific files in 4.7, there's no reason those would not work with 4.8
11:38.42freemangordon*of
11:44.39DocScrutinizerBCMM: sounds a lot like my problem
11:44.48DocScrutinizeras of yesterday
11:46.20DocScrutinizerthe whole rotation thing is thoroughly messed up by specs, and obviously there are several dials to turn that need to be in consistent positions or otherwise strange things happen
11:47.05DocScrutinizerBCMM: see backscroll
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11:53.30BCMMdials?
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12:40.42Lava_Croftlol
12:40.44Lava_Croft"Google Earns $2 Per Handset; Apple, $575"
12:55.54amiconnmerlin1991: Hmm. Are there CSSU specific repositories for scratchbox? Maybe I'm missing those...
12:56.38freemangordonamiconn, just add CSSU repos in your /etc/apt/source.lists
12:57.10freemangordonamiconn, like that:
12:57.12freemangordondeb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free
12:57.12freemangordondeb-src http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free
12:57.35amiconnI'll try in a moment. First I have to install latest cssu on device
12:57.39freemangordonthat is for testing, of cource, but it is the same for 0stable
12:58.39amiconnwonders which packages will get lost this time, and whether it will again forget to re-activate bluetooth
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13:07.16amiconnI'm getting a gpg error
13:08.47freemangordonso?
13:08.55freemangordonand where?
13:09.24amiconnIn scratchbox 'apt-get update' after adding the cssu repo
13:09.47freemangordonignore it
13:12.39amiconnHmm. Some things are still not available even with the cssu repo
13:12.54freemangordonPali, the problem with ke-recv volume names is in fact in osso-gnome-vfs2 :(
13:13.17freemangordonIf you wish get the source code and look in debian/patches directory
13:13.23amiconnNone of qt4-dev-tools, libqt4-dev or git are installable
13:14.05Palifreemangordon, ok
13:14.36freemangordonamicon, i see -dev packages in repo, what exactly is missing?
13:14.45amiconnThe first ist way outdated (4.5.x and its dependencies are 4.7.x), the second misses all its dependencies, and the third is not available at all
13:15.33freemangordongit? that should be in sdk repo afaik. might be wrong
13:16.25freemangordonamiconn, I am not sure what is your problem , but http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/pool/fremantle/free/libqt4-dev_4.7.4~git20110505+cssu3_armel.deb is where it should be, which dependencies is it missing
13:16.29freemangordon?
13:16.57amiconnhttp://pastie.org/3749846
13:18.02freemangordonamiconn, did you do apt-get update followed by apt-get upgrade?
13:18.10amiconnyes
13:18.23freemangordonand you have qt4.7.4 installed?
13:18.44freemangordonwhat did apt-get upgrade say?
13:19.39freemangordonbtw, what is that qt4-dev-tools? never heard about it
13:19.58amiconnI did a dist-upgrade, and it complained that several packages could not be authenticated
13:20.14amiconnAfter going on with 'y' it worked
13:20.17freemangordondist-upgrade? try with simple upgrade
13:20.34freemangordonupdate/upgrade
13:20.53freemangordonwhat SB do you use?
13:21.02freemangordonPR1.2?
13:21.35amiconndeb http://scratchbox.org/debian/ fremantle main
13:22.06freemangordonnot using Nokia installer?
13:23.34amiconnI don't remember exactly (it's been a year and a half) but iirc the installer (python script) didn't work so I chose the manual method
13:23.58amiconnMaybe I'm missing a few other repos from scratchbox's sources.list?
13:24.34freemangordonwell, NFC the, I am using Nokia installer for PR1.3 and don't have any problems. here is my sources.list
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14:21.28merlin1991amiconn I think apt doesn't like you there
14:21.47merlin1991you'll have to install qt4.7.4 first
14:21.54merlin1991then you should be able to install libqt4-dev
14:22.05merlin1991though I have nfc about qt4-dev-tools
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14:26.32backtrackmobilehappy easter
14:27.29backtrackmobilecould someone help me with cameraui2? i made a mo file, it doesnt translate all the funcitions, then i translated some values in my language, coulsd someone compileme the source ? i have not the sdk and i updated the cssu today on my device
14:29.06backtrackmobileno one ?
14:29.12merlin1991backtrackmobile: this is irc
14:29.30merlin1991in other words you might need more than a few mins to get an anwser :)
14:29.47merlin1991but back to you question, which strings are not translated?
14:30.14backtrackmobile"open on lens cover..." "close on lens cover..."
14:30.25backtrackmobileGPS location, color, timer...
14:30.53backtrackmobilei'm italian and i want to have the camera in italian, the mo file doesnt work for some lines
14:30.53merlin1991is there anything translated to your language?
14:31.00backtrackmobilenope
14:31.31merlin1991hm
14:31.47merlin1991I just checked on gitorious and it seems that there is a proper translation in place
14:31.52merlin1991https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/camera-ui-l10n/blobs/master/po/it_IT.po
14:32.59backtrackmobilesure?
14:33.00merlin1991could you check the output of dpkg -l osso-camera-ui-l10n-itit
14:33.10backtrackmobiledoesnt work it
14:33.11merlin1991and see what version it reports?
14:33.22backtrackmobilei updated today my camera
14:34.14backtrackmobilesome lines are untranslated
14:34.40merlin1991just check the line I wrote please
14:34.57backtrackmobileand, in the po u posted, there arent the lines like "sepia" "solarize" etc, dont inxist
14:35.42merlin1991still please check the version of you installed l10n package
14:35.50backtrackmobileok
14:35.50merlin1991s/you/your/
14:38.04backtrackmobilemerlin are u italian ?
14:38.23merlin1991nope I'm from austria
14:38.43backtrackmobileah ok, i updated today the cssu
14:38.58merlin1991are you on cssu-testing or cssu-stable?
14:39.25merlin1991also I'm still missing your anwser regarding version number ;)
14:40.37backtrackmobileanyway, the dpkg folder, is ovewrited becouse i dont want more updates, i updated today, and i deleted the info folder form dpkg, and putted in a custom one, but i updated today and u are talking about DVD hd etc.. this is correct, fixed by myself in the mo file, testing, i have the last
14:40.58backtrackmobilemissed part
14:41.37backtrackmobilei deleted the /var/lib/dpkg with a custom one to leave it without more updates everything works fine
14:41.51backtrackmobilethen i decided to stop the updates
14:43.19backtrackmobiledo you know hot to fix this kind of thing? becouse, i translated the lines in the source, couse the mo file doesnt accept my values
14:44.50merlin1991if you played with /var/lib/dpkg then I don't know how you're going to proceed in the future, but to fix this problem you should be able to just put a fixed mo file in the right directory
14:44.55merlin1991and reboot the device
14:45.02backtrackmobilei know
14:45.08backtrackmobilei'm not a noob
14:45.14backtrackmobilei did it
14:45.29merlin1991and it didn't work?
14:45.53backtrackmobilebut some lines are untranslated, and, i dont need to reboot, i can kill camera process to see it ;)
14:46.15merlin1991yeah reboot is safer though ;)
14:46.21backtrackmobilenope, some line no, like color, timer, etc... i see them in english, but i want them in italian
14:46.55merlin1991sure, so possibly there are lines that are not translated at all that would require a fix in the camera binary + a mo file
14:47.07merlin1991looks at camera-ui source
14:47.15backtrackmobiledid it
14:47.23merlin1991do you have a diff I could apply?
14:47.36backtrackmobileno, i have no a compiler here
14:47.40merlin1991we are always interested in improvements :)
14:47.51merlin1991I mean a diff of the sources
14:48.18backtrackmobilesources, i changed the fìvalues for the functions i need, in italian for example
14:48.37merlin1991yeah I'm intested in that change
14:48.40merlin1991I can compile you a binary
14:48.46backtrackmobileah thxxxx
14:48.51backtrackmobileu saved my life!!!
14:49.18backtrackmobilewhere can i upload it ?
14:49.35merlin1991is it only in one file, or more than one?
14:49.48backtrackmobileis the tar gz
14:50.02backtrackmobilejust one tar.gz is
14:50.16backtrackmobile68kb
14:50.37merlin1991you could email it to me
14:50.42backtrackmobileok
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15:02.14amiconnmerlin1991: freemangordon helped me with my sources.list. I've been able to install libqt4-dev as well as git now, but qt4-dev-tools are still way outdated
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15:13.16BCMM_my rotation issue (state of the keyboard slide being ignored) resolved itself when i applied the fix for that bug where mydocs doesn't mount. i don't know why.
15:17.33DocScrutinizerprobably some mandatory gconfkey that's stored by gconfd in ~user/MyDocs??? :-o
15:18.23DocScrutinizerweird
15:19.14DocScrutinizermaybe you could investigate further by lsof|grep mydocs  or sth similar?
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15:29.23DocScrutinizer>:-(
15:29.29DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# updatedb
15:29.30DocScrutinizerfind: unrecognized: -fstype
15:29.32DocScrutinizerBusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso30+0m5) multi-call binary
15:30.04DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# which find
15:30.06DocScrutinizer/usr/bin/gnu/find
15:30.11BCMMDocScrutinizer: surely gconf is in .gconf?
15:30.27DocScrutinizeryeah, but that's not on MyDocs
15:30.31DocScrutinizer?
15:31.25DocScrutinizerFSCK MESSYBOX!!
15:44.33BCMMDocScrutinizer: i ran in to that trying to make slocate work too. is there a workaround?
15:44.48DocScrutinizerfind=`which find` updatedb
15:44.57BCMMas far as i could tell there wasn't a clean way of telling slocate which find to use
15:45.07BCMMoh, it takes a find env var?
15:45.13BCMMin lowercase???
15:45.19DocScrutinizeryep
15:45.39BCMMwell, that's pretty fscked
15:46.11DocScrutinizer# The names of the utilities to run to build the database.
15:46.13DocScrutinizer: ${find:=${BINDIR}/find}
15:46.54BCMMDocScrutinizer: that line will only work if the gnu dir comes first in the PATH i think
15:47.09BCMMsurely better to make its location explicit?
15:47.11DocScrutinizermaybe you could use BINDIR=/usr/bin/gnu
15:48.01DocScrutinizerI've not tested if it will blow chunks with BINDIR
15:49.09DocScrutinizertime for 12648430   ☕
15:55.26DocScrutinizerI'd guess this updatedb script was better off using own binary's dir as BINDIR
15:55.53DocScrutinizeror at least as location of the right find binary
15:56.22DocScrutinizerafter all both ubdatedb and find are in findutils pkg and installed to same dir
15:57.16DocScrutinizererr, or maybe not
15:57.29BCMM_updatedb is a script on maemo?
15:57.37BCMM_it's a binary on my gentoo box...
15:57.53BCMM_also, updatedb is usually part of slocate not findutils
15:58.52DocScrutinizerpart of locate here
16:00.42DocScrutinizerfindutils-locate on my openSuse
16:04.49DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache depends locate
16:04.50DocScrutinizerlocate
16:04.52DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
16:04.53DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
16:04.55DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
16:04.56DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
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16:06.20DocScrutinizerhmmm
16:06.22DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# gfind --version
16:06.24DocScrutinizerfind (GNU findutils) 4.4.2
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16:11.54DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# sed -i 's@{BINDIR}/find@{BINDIR}/gfind@' `which updatedb`
16:11.55DocScrutinizerdone
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16:33.28PaliI have in .profile this: export BINDIR=/usr/bin/gnu
16:33.43Paliand it is enought to run updatedb
16:34.22Paliand I have configured alarmd to run updatedb
16:35.00PaliDocScrutinizer, but your solution seems to be better
16:35.16Palican you update updatedb/locate package to extras?
16:36.15DocScrutinizerhardly, wouldn't know where to start
16:36.35DocScrutinizeralso I'm not maintainer of that pkg
16:37.48Paliif that sed working fine, then it is correct solution
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16:38.15Pali+ adding correct depends: in deb package
16:38.54DocScrutinizerdepends is already there?
16:38.57DocScrutinizersed works
16:39.19Paliso push new version of package to extras-devel
16:39.25Palithis error hould be fixed
16:39.35Pali*should
16:39.49DocScrutinizerwow, mkfs finished formatting a 300GB with ext4
16:40.34DocScrutinizerPali: I got no clue how to proceed, you're welcome to do (on my behalf ;-D)
16:41.14DocScrutinizerwell, you shouldn't use `which find` in that sed cmd, for obvious reasons
16:41.28PaliDocScrutinizer, download dsc package from repo, unpack, apply patch, increase version in debian/changelog, create dsc package and push it :)
16:41.28DocScrutinizer~jrtools
16:41.28infobotjrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
16:51.07DocScrutinizerhi javispedro
16:51.13javispedrohi
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17:03.02DocScrutinizerdang, this USB drive is even slower than N900 eMMC ;-P  6092226560 bytes (6.1 GB) copied, 298.002 s, 20.4 MB/s
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17:08.26DocScrutinizer13012828160 bytes (13 GB) copied, 632.608 s, 20.6 MB/s  \o/
17:08.53DocScrutinizeranother 7GB to go, and first 2/5 of my big easter backup are done
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17:26.55merlin1991currently charges n900 with -testing and iwll deliberatly install broken version to investigate
17:27.06merlin1991first I have to get grub back though
17:27.13merlin1991can't even boot into my linux on this machine :D
17:34.47DocScrutinizeroufff
17:36.03merlin1991I just need a proper live disk
17:36.10merlin1991a lil chroot
17:36.14merlin1991and I'm all good :)
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17:44.22backtrackmobileguys could someone of you compile me a source ?
17:44.27backtrackmobilei ve note the sdk
17:44.29backtrackmobile:(
17:44.35merlin1991backtrackmobile: I'm going todo it in about 20 mins
17:44.43merlin1991need to fix my damn linux first
17:44.53backtrackmobileeh merlin moveeee
17:44.54backtrackmobile:D
17:46.05backtrackmobileanyway merlin if you cant u dont have ;)
17:46.20merlin1991I need to get the linux back anyway :D
17:46.40backtrackmobilei need it urgently becouse my phone is OFF
17:46.54backtrackmobileoff becouse i'm creating a custom fw
17:47.17backtrackmobileaaaaa a question...
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17:47.29backtrackmobileis there a  way to make a flashable emmc ?
17:47.36backtrackmobilei just made the rootfs
17:47.50backtrackmobileflashable but i want to flash the emmc too..
18:15.57backtrackmobilecan someone compile me a source code ? i have not the sdk..
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18:37.59DocScrutinizeromg
18:38.27DocScrutinizerdrive-by asker
18:39.13DocScrutinizerif he had left a link to the source, somebody already might have given it a try
18:39.23DocScrutinizer;-P
18:39.58freemangordon_guys, seems ke-recv is still causing problems, anyone taking care? sorry if it's been discussed already, i am not home and did',n't check the logs
18:41.18freemangordon_merlin1991, Pali ?
18:41.55DocScrutinizer[2012-04-08 16:50:16] <backtrackmobile> 68kb
18:41.56DocScrutinizer[2012-04-08 16:50:37] <merlin1991> you could email it to me
18:41.58DocScrutinizer[2012-04-08 16:50:42] <backtrackmobile> ok
18:42.28DocScrutinizerfreemangordon_: wazzeproblam
18:42.53freemangordon_see at TMO, cssu-testing thread
18:43.12freemangordon_ke-recv .deb still break mounting
18:43.13DocScrutinizerand what do we learn from that? *never* push a pkg that's not been properly tested
18:43.40freemangordon_don't tell that to me
18:43.56DocScrutinizerand that's for sure not only fols who didn't realize fix instructions in merlin's post?
18:44.07DocScrutinizerfools
18:44.11freemangordon_yes
18:44.17DocScrutinizerhmmm
18:44.21DocScrutinizerfone :-S
18:44.25DocScrutinizerfine*
18:44.35DocScrutinizerdang shit brimstone
18:44.40merlin1991freemangordon_: I'm checking as soon as I've got limnux back
18:44.48merlin1991freemangordon_: I'm checking as soon as I've got linux back
18:44.59freemangordon_check the thread please, i am traveling right now and can do nothing :-(
18:45.04merlin1991and also grub his here by now :)
18:45.16merlin1991Kubuntu booted omfg
18:46.21merlin1991Seems that the uuid survived the dd wtf
18:50.07merlin1991I'm back in business, yay
18:50.56merlin1991step one, queue awesome music, step2 build some stuff, step3 brick my own -testing in order to provide foolproof recovery instructions
18:51.13freemangordon_:-)
18:54.42merlin1991ah wait need to reboot and plug in my hdd with the source first :D
18:54.55merlin1991damn motherboard only has 4 sata pins but I've got 4 hdds + dvd
19:06.39merlin1991DocScrutinizer: I always forget how to export some env so it stays
19:06.47merlin1991so how do I do that again? :D
19:07.09merlin1991feels so dumb asking that
19:08.06merlin1991ah yeah .bashrc
19:11.06DocScrutinizermerlin1991: sorry, been afk
19:11.16merlin1991np :)
19:12.39DocScrutinizermerlin1991: could you rephrase your question?
19:13.08DocScrutinizerexport env? export <env>; Or what?
19:13.09merlin1991I answered it myself, I was wondering if there is a way to export env variables in a way that they stay
19:13.23merlin1991s/stay/stay persistant/
19:13.48DocScrutinizeraah, you need to set them in some script that gets executed by your shell or a parent of that shell
19:15.51DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# export t1=TeeOne
19:15.52DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# t2=TeeTwo
19:15.54DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# bash
19:15.55DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# echo $t1 " " $t2
19:15.57DocScrutinizerTeeOne
19:15.59DocScrutinizerIroN900:~#
19:16.58DocScrutinizersu though creates a login shell, that doesn't inherit from the "calling shell"
19:17.14DocScrutinizersu - to be precise
19:18.25DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# su
19:18.26DocScrutinizerBusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso30+0m5) built-in shell (ash)
19:18.28DocScrutinizerEnter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.
19:18.29DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# echo $t1
19:18.31DocScrutinizerTeeOne
19:18.32DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# su -
19:18.34DocScrutinizerBusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso30+0m5) built-in shell (ash)
19:18.35DocScrutinizerEnter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.
19:18.37DocScrutinizer~ # echo $1
19:18.38DocScrutinizer~ #
19:18.38infobotsomebody said # was pound, or hash, or sometimes the number sign. a tic-tac-toe board, or octothorpe
19:19.57merlin1991btw what the drive by irc user wanted was a compieled camera-ui with some translations fixed
19:20.10merlin1991there are 3 strings that are not translated at all
19:20.19DocScrutinizeractually "executed" is incorrect, the script needs to get sourced
19:22.06merlin1991hm -testing device is still charging
19:22.46merlin1991and since it was dry I don't want to abort before booting
19:26.16merlin1991hm sata should be hotplug, right?
19:29.15DocScrutinizerouch, don't test that!
19:30.15ShadowJKonly true esata is hotplug
19:30.48DocScrutinizeremphasis on "true"
19:31.03DocScrutinizersata never been specified for hotplugging
19:31.30merlin1991hehe I meant that more as a joke :D
19:31.37DocScrutinizeryay
19:31.38merlin1991I know not to test that :D
19:33.06merlin1991hm I need to read the specs but afaik there should be hotplug support
19:33.56DocScrutinizerwonders HTF apt-get -install -reinstall ke-recv can fail to create a file /etc/init.d/ke-recv .oO(?!@##&%$>8-o&&³¬¼)
19:34.12merlin1991you need to add some special chars there at the end ;)
19:34.56DocScrutinizerI bet some funny users thought apt-get is a perfect cmd to run under user
19:35.17merlin1991it cries for root
19:35.46merlin1991just like my clutch
19:35.49merlin1991need to get my car fixed
19:36.14DocScrutinizeraptgetinstallminusreinstallenter - doesn't work for me!!1!1!!!
19:36.51DocScrutinizerheard that in RL (well sth like that)
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19:38.08merlin1991hm ke-recv is 755 in the .deb
19:38.19merlin1991I wonder why people had to chmod +x
19:38.37DocScrutinizeraptminusgetspaceinstallspaceminusreinstallspacekeminusrecventer - neither
19:39.08DocScrutinizerbecuase they copied it from dunnowhere MyDocs/foo/bar where they extracted it
19:39.27merlin1991why in gods name would they extract it
19:39.28DocScrutinizersince:
19:39.30DocScrutinizerbecuase they copied it from dunnowhere MyDocs/foo/bar where they extracted it
19:39.33DocScrutinizeraptminusgetspaceinstallspaceminusreinstallspacekeminusrecventer - neither
19:39.50DocScrutinizeraka "missing root"
19:39.55merlin1991always forgets which bit is which
19:39.58merlin1991in filemodes
19:40.15_ade_merlin1991: what do I have to do to get the clock replacement in the CSSU git?
19:40.22merlin1991oh hey there
19:40.34_ade_hey
19:40.35merlin1991well show up here is step #1, check ;)
19:41.03merlin1991secondly you have to convince us that it's a complete replacement of the stock widget and is mostly bug free
19:41.58_ade_hmmm, what are the conditions for that..?
19:42.20merlin1991complete replacement aka can do everything you could do in the stock widget
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19:42.40merlin1991backtrackmobile: you've got mail ;)
19:42.40DocScrutinizermerlin1991: I suggest to publish a hotfix script, that does everything incl "root" and "mount|grep MyDocs||rm -rf ~user/MyDocs/*"
19:42.52backtrackmobileweee merlino yes i opened it now
19:43.01backtrackmobilei was patching the nolo :D
19:43.07backtrackmobileand... i did ittttttt ahhahaahahhaahha
19:43.51backtrackmobilei changed the nokia splash with a skull, the usb in green 3d usb icon, anc the Devel icon with a BUG icon :D
19:43.53merlin1991damn one thing fremantle lacks over harm, battery charged indicator in act_dead
19:44.15merlin1991backtrackmobile: document what you did and post it somewhere
19:44.24merlin1991I'm sure a lot of people are interested in that
19:44.37DocScrutinizerEH?
19:44.46backtrackmobilehere is the link :D http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=75504
19:44.50backtrackmobileeasy to do :D
19:45.07_ade_merlin1991: it does not include the worldmap, but it does offer seconds in the display. I have not seen a bug reports are
19:45.09DocScrutinizermy device sure as hell has a green light indicating battery_charged, in ACT_DEAD
19:45.11backtrackmobileif u want i'll upload my custom nolo file after now i try the camera
19:45.27merlin1991DocScrutinizer: % of charge
19:45.32_ade_* bug report lately (hit enter too soon)
19:45.43DocScrutinizerbwahahaha, act_dead with screen
19:45.43merlin1991thus "battery chargeD"
19:46.03merlin1991yeah :D
19:46.10merlin1991only thing oled is > lcd
19:46.39DocScrutinizeryou could write a very nifty proggi for LED engine, that flashes indicator LED 7 times for 70%
19:46.48DocScrutinizernah, you can't. I could
19:46.53ShadowJKbme doesn't even tell you % during charge, until it's full
19:46.55merlin1991come on :D
19:47.59backtrackmobilemerlin i'll send all via mail ok ? stay tuned first i fix the camera ;)
19:48.05backtrackmobilethx 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000
19:48.22DocScrutinizerNB I meant a engine proggi that auto-determines how many flashes needed, depending on battery voltage
19:49.31ShadowJKwas considering making a 75% marker and a 90% one
19:50.01DocScrutinizerobviously you're missing the "NDA"d datasheet of LP5523 with all the nifty commands that aren't documented in mce.ini nor in driver
19:50.45merlin1991obviously :)
19:50.56backtrackmobilewaaaaaaa camera translatedddd uuuuuuuu
19:50.57DocScrutinizermakes me ponder now CSSU is the right platform finally for me to push a better lp5523.ko
19:51.06backtrackmobileworks works works works works:D
19:51.38DocScrutinizersend a carton prosecco!
19:51.46backtrackmobilehahahahahahahahahahaha
19:52.04backtrackmobileecho "prosecco"
19:52.06backtrackmobile:D
19:53.07merlin1991wonders how much longer the n900 will take to reach fully charged state
19:53.14DocScrutinizer(5523) and duh, finally fix the friggin mce so it will work with better lp5523 driver
19:53.44DocScrutinizermerlin1991: it already has, the rest is marginal fake
19:54.34DocScrutinizerafter 60min the battery is at 60% or a bit more
19:54.55DocScrutinizerafter 2h it is at 95%
19:55.12merlin1991now if I'd know when I started charging :D
19:55.25DocScrutinizerget bq27k-detail
19:55.46DocScrutinizeror simply do lshal|grep battery.voltage
19:56.01merlin1991we're still in act_dead ;)
19:56.10DocScrutinizermeh
19:56.27DocScrutinizerwhy?
19:56.41merlin1991because so far I only plugged in the charger
19:56.51DocScrutinizerso boot it!!!
19:58.01freemangordon_:nod:
19:59.10merlin1991DocScrutinizer: which temporary madness made you thank a post that suggested running apt-get upgrade?
19:59.22DocScrutinizererrr
19:59.26DocScrutinizeroooops
20:01.51DocScrutinizerwas in a thanks-rush for everything that didn'tlook like useless shit
20:02.17DocScrutinizerfeedback with actual info always welcome
20:02.39DocScrutinizernot so though if it has harmful suggestions
20:02.55merlin1991currently install broken ke-recv
20:03.14DocScrutinizeri.e 3.0 ?
20:03.18merlin1991yep
20:03.25merlin1991or rather ke-recv something-14
20:03.32DocScrutinizer:nod:
20:03.35merlin1991since 3.0 brings a few legits debs aswell
20:04.57DocScrutinizerwaves and hopes for some better luck with dinner today
20:05.13merlin1991was yesterday that bad?
20:16.00DocScrutinizeryesterday was a complete fail
20:16.25DocScrutinizerregarding food
20:18.03merlin1991reboot #3
20:18.12merlin1991so far all previous "fix" things worked out
20:18.40DocScrutinizerdon't forget to create proper backupmenu imgs
20:18.49merlin1991hehe never used backupmenu so far
20:19.00DocScrutinizerWUT?
20:19.28merlin1991there is nothing on my n900 which isn't safed somewhere else
20:19.44DocScrutinizerexcept the complete setup
20:20.14merlin1991even for that I have script that gets me from reflashed n900 -> current state
20:20.22DocScrutinizerwow
20:20.33DocScrutinizeralmost as good as backupmenu ;-P
20:21.04merlin1991and there is the fact that -stable is stable and the -testing device is for testing only anyway :D
20:21.51DocScrutinizerwell, for mainenance purposes it's friggin mad useful to rollback to any arbitrary previous state, to test sth
20:22.25merlin1991usually when I test stuff it's a flash -> add cssu -> test what I want to test
20:22.33DocScrutinizerit effectively feels like you got dozens of devices
20:22.36merlin1991but I guess backupmenu would be faster for that
20:22.52merlin1991I would need a proper uSD for that though :)
20:22.59DocScrutinizerindeed
20:23.04DocScrutinizerhelps a lot
20:23.15DocScrutinizerthough 32GB eMMC are a lot as well
20:24.03merlin1991I love the fact, that dsmetool -b keeps the system in a state where it remembers sim code
20:24.26DocScrutinizerponders to do some further tests with images of CAL and kernel, in backupmenu context
20:25.01merlin1991so what kind of food is on your radar today?
20:25.13DocScrutinizerBurger King
20:25.14merlin1991(watching an n900 boot for the 5th time is boring xD)
20:25.25DocScrutinizerdouble chilli cheese ;-)
20:25.48merlin1991hehe one of my prepare to go drinking meals
20:26.19DocScrutinizerbooze cancelled for today, my pimp doesn't pay
20:26.39DocScrutinizer>:-(
20:26.50merlin1991:/
20:27.34merlin1991hm how to cill a timed out ssh session again?
20:27.40merlin1991s/cill/kill/
20:27.46DocScrutinizerforget about it
20:28.03DocScrutinizerit dies by itself eventually (30min..1h)
20:28.07merlin1991hehe
20:28.14merlin1991nah I mean on the client side
20:28.22DocScrutinizer~.
20:28.22infobotmethinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for.
20:28.42DocScrutinizerinfobot: yes, it is!
20:28.42infobotSo we want to be stupid, right, is! ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop!
20:28.59merlin1991hehe infobot ftw
20:29.24DocScrutinizer~botsnack
20:29.24infobotthanks, DocScrutinizer
20:32.16merlin1991currently checking the last possiblity
20:32.22merlin1991but I think tmo users are just plain stupid
20:32.38merlin1991though not all of them, but a majority :D
20:38.44merlin1991damn I need the ascii chars for TM
20:39.59DocScrutinizer™
20:40.42merlin1991wonders where on the Cp-15whatever codepage that lies
20:40.52DocScrutinizernfc
20:41.40DocScrutinizer0000000 102342 161242 121204 102342 161242 121204 102342 161242
20:41.47DocScrutinizerod
20:41.59merlin1991anyway http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1189843#post1189843
20:42.08merlin1991my result afer about 15 reboots :D
20:42.46DocScrutinizer0000000 84e2 e2a2 a284 84e2 e2a2 a284 84e2 e2a2 od -x
20:46.22DocScrutinizer84e2a2
20:46.26DocScrutinizerit seems
20:46.42DocScrutinizererr
20:46.51DocScrutinizere284a2
20:56.32DocScrutinizermerlin1991: echo -e '\xe2\x84\xa2'
20:57.04DocScrutinizer== ™
20:57.11merlin1991thanks
21:00.58merlin1991ffs, forgot to test keymap when I was @ ke-recv 3.19-14
21:01.03merlin1991downgrades again
21:01.37merlin1991(we have a bug claiming that keymaps don't work and I have to make sure broken ke-recv is the cause of that)
21:12.30DocScrutinizerwtf is ℡
21:12.45DocScrutinizeraka echo -e '\xe2\x84\xa1'
21:13.11merlin1991no idea :D
21:13.57DocScrutinizer~xyawn
21:13.57infobotsomebody said xyawn was coffee
21:14.01merlin1991missing sym keymap also is an issue with ke-recv, though no idea HOW this is related
21:14.28merlin19913 bugs closed as duplicate :)
21:14.35DocScrutinizersame with the confirmed portrait while kbd slide out
21:15.10DocScrutinizernfc how it's related to ke-recv and missing MyDocs
21:15.17merlin1991yeah
21:15.50merlin1991well maybe some other deamon depeneds on ke-recv and thus does not launch?
21:15.58DocScrutinizerI guess there must be more to this ke-recv bug than just MyDocs missing
21:15.59merlin1991anyway, did you update to 3.1?
21:16.20DocScrutinizerNAH! you're kidding
21:16.26merlin19913.1 is stable :D
21:16.32DocScrutinizerBWAHAHAHA
21:16.35merlin1991all bugs reported with 3.0 are fixed with 3.1 :D
21:16.37DocScrutinizertell me in a week
21:17.11merlin1991so you'll wait a week and then decied enough guinea pigs have tried before you? :D
21:25.50DocScrutinizersure
21:28.27DocScrutinizerafter all that's my supposed_to_work daily phone
21:28.42merlin1991hehe
21:29.02merlin1991my supposed_to_work phone is a n9 :$
21:39.47DocScrutinizer*burp*
21:41.00merlin1991hey it works great as a phone, I still carry a n900 for other tasks though
21:44.10DocScrutinizerwhy can't 3.1 preinst remove the friggin symlink?
21:45.00DocScrutinizerand why has this symlink to get removed manually anyway, while dpkg/whatever should overwrite it?
21:45.46DocScrutinizeror is it that ke-recv update doesn't even ship that file?
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22:09.30merlin1991it ships it
22:09.43merlin1991I'm currently investigating as to WHY it doesn't overwrite the symlink
22:10.05merlin1991thoug we could add a simple if symlink rm to the ke-recv preinst
22:15.10gregoamerlin1991: there's nothing to investigate, that's dpkg's behaviour by design. - and I agree that the preinst should test for the version and the symlink and remove it
22:15.34merlin1991gregoa: so dpkg ignores symlinks by design?
22:15.50merlin1991even if they were part of the previous version of the package
22:15.56gregoamerlin1991: no, it doesn't replace a symlink with a file or dir
22:17.23DocScrutinizer(<merlin1991> thoug we could add a simple if symlink rm to the ke-recv preinst) exactly what I said before :-)
22:17.44merlin1991true :)
22:18.30DocScrutinizergregoa: thanks for shedding some light on this
22:19.09DocScrutinizerthough it feels terribly odd behaviour for an installer
22:19.12merlin1991hm just came across a bunch of bugreports regarding dpkg and symlinks, seems the handling of symlinks in dpkg is weird in genreal
22:19.19merlin1991s/genreal/general/
22:20.56merlin1991hm busybox syntax for checking symlinks
22:21.48merlin1991I really should bookmark some bash man since I keep forgeting the syntax
22:22.20gregoayup, there probably were good reasons, but it leads to some headscratching
22:25.38gregoamerlin1991: grep \\-L /var/lib/dpkg/info/*inst on any debian/ubuntu machines should give you some examples :)
22:27.44gregoamerlin1991: http://paste.debian.net/162575/ <- vlc.preinst
22:28.40merlin1991thanks
22:29.16gregoanp
22:49.31MohammadAGmerlin1991, conffile
22:49.53MohammadAGmerlin1991, it's in debian/conffiles
22:50.42DocScrutinizerI wonder how that's a conffile though. How did it manage to become one?
22:50.51gregoaDocScrutinizer: it's in /etc
22:50.58DocScrutinizerOMG
22:51.23MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, what he said
22:51.34DocScrutinizerindeed I'd prefer to see this shellscript in /usr/lib/ke-recv or sth
22:51.44MohammadAGalmost killed myself testing led-event-notifier
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22:52.12MohammadAGdebian/rules could be fixed I suppose
22:52.14DocScrutinizerSEE????!! the reason it's considered dangerous and forbidden by aegis! X-P
22:52.14MohammadAGto ignore the file
22:55.34int_ualooks like I've found a bug in camera-ui in T3.1, anyone here who can try reproduce it?
22:55.48merlin1991plenty, shoot
22:55.54DocScrutinizerscratch my note about moving init.d/ke-recv, it's a perfect initfile
22:56.54DocScrutinizeranother note goes to debian/rules WTF they think are the files in etc/init.d/
22:57.06DocScrutinizerCONFIG files??
22:58.06int_ua1. Record small video (2-3 seconds in my case) 2. Push play button in the preview. 3. Close Media Player an return to camera-ui. 4. Press delete button.
22:58.07merlin1991int_ua: what's the bug now?
22:58.10merlin1991sry :D
22:58.36int_uaafter this camera-ui stays black until I touch the screen
22:59.35DocScrutinizersure you want to keep a copy of old file under /etc/init.d/foobar.dpkold, or even install the new file under /etc/init.d/foobar.dpknew, but only when user changed the old file
23:00.01merlin1991int_ua: can not reproduce
23:00.28merlin1991when I close the media player and select the camera-ui in the taskswitcher it takes a split second and then I see the livefeed again
23:00.59int_uamerlin1991: did you deleted this video in the camera-ui?
23:01.12int_uas/did/have/
23:01.15merlin1991arf
23:01.23merlin1991headdesk
23:01.28merlin1991bloody word wrap
23:01.50merlin1991trying again :9
23:02.25DocScrutinizerI think I can confirm
23:02.34DocScrutinizerseem to remember same thing
23:03.01merlin1991hm seems to be related to the settings for preview
23:03.22merlin1991I don't even get that chance to delte it because camera-ui is already back to the life feed not showing me the preview page anymore
23:03.51DocScrutinizerwell, that's what it is supposed to do
23:04.07merlin1991I've adjusted the preview settings for don't time out
23:04.13merlin1991no I'll see what happens
23:04.14MohammadAGsigh, if only somebody could implement stacked process windows in hildon-desktop
23:04.32merlin1991int_ua: yes you're right
23:04.35DocScrutinizermeh
23:04.37merlin1991I'll forward this to nicolai
23:04.54MohammadAGif the mediaplayer opens from within camera-ui only for a preview, then pressing the back button should bring you back to camera-ui
23:04.56int_uaok, thanks :) Now I can sleep :)
23:05.02MohammadAGHarmattan and Android work that way
23:05.04MohammadAGlol
23:05.12DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: obviously
23:05.32MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, pressing back makes the mediaplayer visible with an X button
23:05.45MohammadAGit should be a <- button that brings you back to camera-ui
23:05.59DocScrutinizera major PITA and UI designer brainfuck when they missed such stacking thing in fremantle
23:06.00MohammadAGoh and WP7 does it too
23:06.14merlin1991int_ua: it's actually also valid if you take a photo
23:06.15MohammadAGit can be implemented
23:06.18MohammadAGstacking is there
23:06.28merlin1991back out of camera-ui somehow
23:06.32merlin1991come back and delte it
23:06.44DocScrutinizer:nod:
23:06.57DocScrutinizerI'fe encountered it with photo
23:07.02DocScrutinizerI've
23:07.43merlin1991I'll give nicolai a proper report an suppose the fix will be in next testing
23:08.21merlin1991and I'll do that after I've slept or it will be like me last lines here on irc, which would not yield in him unterstanding what I'm writing xD
23:08.36merlin1991s/him understanding/him not understanding/
23:08.48DocScrutinizeractually I've seen occasional segfaults of cam as well (though can't recall on what action). That's why I'm not that happy with nicocam in CSSU
23:09.13merlin1991segfaults --> DUMPS PLEASE :D
23:09.44DocScrutinizerprovide one-click dumphandler install
23:09.51DocScrutinizer;-P
23:10.07DocScrutinizeror wait, maybe I already got it?
23:10.08merlin1991gimme a few mins, I'm sure I can get together an .install file
23:10.19merlin1991though have fun with ham then ,)
23:10.32DocScrutinizernah, a cmdline to c&p is just fine
23:12.13DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache policy sp-rich-core
23:12.14DocScrutinizersp-rich-core:
23:12.16DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
23:12.17merlin1991you need the fremantle tools repo and sp-rich-core
23:12.47merlin1991dumps should be in /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/
23:13.07int_uaor on the uSD ;)
23:13.24merlin1991yeah or anywhere on /media/mmc*/core-dumps/
23:14.01int_uaBTW, I've sent some dumps with this GUI that notifies
23:14.10int_uaare they anyhow useful?
23:14.14DocScrutinizerno coredump of camera
23:14.45DocScrutinizerbut: /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/reboot-32wd_to-1102-0-0.rcore.lzo  X-P
23:14.55int_uaI mean Settings - Crash Reporter
23:15.28int_uaDocScrutinizer: I've got this every third reboot
23:15.30merlin1991int_ua: I'm not really sure I understand what you tried to say
23:15.51int_uaapproximately every third
23:17.18int_uamerlin1991: I've enabled Settings - Crash Reporter - Upload crash reports
23:17.29int_uaand everything else there
23:17.37merlin1991nfc where those go
23:17.40merlin1991defenitely not to us :D
23:18.07int_uaand now I have a notification on every new report
23:18.14MohammadAGprobably /dev/null on some server
23:18.20int_ua...
23:18.25DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# cat /var/lib/dsme/rich-cores/reboot-32wd_to
23:18.27DocScrutinizer4
23:18.37int_uawait, there was a server name somewhere
23:19.12DocScrutinizerXP
23:19.15DocScrutinizerLOL
23:20.06DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: nope, server null.dev
23:20.20DocScrutinizerit's a virtual server of the internet
23:20.32int_ua=D
23:21.35DocScrutinizerthe .dev TLD is very little known publicly, but mad useful ;-)
23:24.01DocScrutinizerthey invented it when that guy snatched away the dont-answer.com domain
23:25.03int_uathis http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/crash-reporter obviously needs more info
23:25.59int_uaBut I've seen the server name somewhere. IIRC it had 5 letters. Maybe starting with N
23:27.00gregoan-o-k-i-a?
23:27.53int_uaXD
23:28.54MohammadAGnil.us
23:29.01int_uagot it!
23:29.27int_uaReceiving server: https://stage.maemo.org/nitro/
23:30.59int_uaMohammadAG: Why nil.us? :) I didn't get it, was it a joke too? :)
23:31.08MohammadAGyeah
23:31.20MohammadAGnitro?
23:31.21merlin1991int_ua: I think sanity went over board around /dev/null
23:32.16int_uayeah, what is it? who controls it?
23:32.24DocScrutinizernitro beats it hands down
23:32.44MohammadAGOT: http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2012/2/24/d3c3a992-cfe1-4e58-b7cc-2c5e34334c57.jpg
23:33.08*** topic/#maemo-ssu by ChanServ -> Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo3.1; (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo3
23:35.38merlin1991hm how can I tell chanserv to set the topic :D
23:36.13DocScrutinizerhttp://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/1227619139/ <-nitro
23:36.22int_uathere is a nice young lady ready to nil you at nil.us :D
23:36.26DocScrutinizer>>Copyright (C) 2007-2008 Nokia Corporation.<<
23:36.55DocScrutinizermerlin1991: /msg chanserv help
23:37.12DocScrutinizerthough it's kinda deprecated
23:37.37merlin1991ah it knows a topic command
23:38.03MohammadAGYeah, /CS topic #maemo-ssu sth
23:38.16DocScrutinizerdepecated for a number of reasons
23:38.25MohammadAGNote that it replaces, rather than appending
23:38.30DocScrutinizera) you dunno who has set the topic
23:38.36int_uacat: /home/user/nitro.conf: No such file or directory
23:38.39DocScrutinizerb) max topic length
23:38.53MohammadAGa is the reason I use it really
23:39.06MohammadAGFor such a channel, setting such a topic doesn't really matter
23:39.08DocScrutinizerbtw WTF?!  http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages
23:39.10merlin1991sneaky bastard :D
23:39.20MohammadAGUnless it's a meeting or sth
23:40.24DocScrutinizerMEH
23:40.51DocScrutinizermy topic history showing "changed by: chanserv" >:-(
23:41.16int_uacat: /usr/share/nitro-settings/nitro.conf: No such file or directory
23:41.29MohammadAGWhich is the only point of using it
23:41.39DocScrutinizerBS
23:42.17int_uacat /usr/share/crash-reporter-settings/crash-reporter.conf
23:43.45int_uaso we can (?) easily (?) change the server address for some server, available to CSSU developers
23:44.07DocScrutinizerwhy not, if you know the format of that protocol
23:44.17MohammadAGIt's open source afaik
23:44.27DocScrutinizerand you know the privacy measures needed
23:44.37merlin1991feels like setting up a reciver on his sirver
23:44.41merlin1991sirver, lol
23:45.09merlin1991DocScrutinizer: I guess, kill ip, extract dump, strip personal data, stash away?
23:45.09DocScrutinizermerlin1991: which one? ftp? http? foobar?
23:45.21int_uaI can be the first to send you my reproducible dbus-scripts crash reports :)
23:45.51merlin1991DocScrutinizer: whatever that crash-reporter talks
23:46.03DocScrutinizeryeah! and what is it ?
23:46.12merlin1991time to find out :)
23:46.21DocScrutinizer:shrug:
23:46.32int_uaDocScrutinizer: I think it's sending these .lzo archives
23:46.56MohammadAGechos that it might be open source
23:47.03DocScrutinizerdoesn't matter. HOW does  it send them? per mail? per ftp-upload?
23:47.08int_uabut there is a description field also
23:47.24MohammadAGprobably HTTP POST, but check the source
23:47.51DocScrutinizerand esp what you're going to do with all those pretty coredumps without any proper context and error description?
23:48.15DocScrutinizermost of them for pkg acme-foo
23:48.21DocScrutinizerand siblings
23:49.14int_uasend them to the maintainer email directly XD
23:49.21DocScrutinizerI really guess we have better targets for spare manpower in CSSU :-D
23:49.27MohammadAGWould rather rewrite a similar darmon that checks if the crash reports are part of cssu
23:49.50merlin1991well MohammadAG we can simply compare against a list serverside and dump anthing non cssu
23:49.58int_uaMohammadAG: +1
23:50.13DocScrutinizerfriggin fancywork
23:50.27MohammadAGNot really, it's just an inotify app
23:50.30DocScrutinizerto gather useless coredumps
23:50.48MohammadAGMonitors a list of folders for new core dumps
23:51.10DocScrutinizerand that help exactly how, and on what?
23:51.24merlin1991waste my time
23:51.28merlin1991distract me from work and school
23:51.33merlin1991sounds like a great deal
23:51.54DocScrutinizerI fail to see who's interested in the result of all that work (btw probably the reason why the original nitro evidently is orphaned)
23:52.51int_uaWell, in ideal world it would help reveal some problems more easily for both user and developer (there is a description field, where good user can describe all the details)
23:53.14DocScrutinizerbefore investing significant amount of work into it, I'd by all means talk to those who've seen the original getting implemented and fail
23:53.19int_uaDocScrutinizer: Is it orphaned?
23:53.34DocScrutinizerevidently
23:53.59DocScrutinizeror why do you think we didn't hear of any automatic coredumps sent and forwarded to us?
23:54.19DocScrutinizersee (C) of manpage
23:54.58int_uawell, the idea to talk to original authors is a very good one
23:55.16ShadowJKiirc at one point someone said you could get them if you asked
23:55.17DocScrutinizeran app ported from maemo2 to 3 to 4 to 5, just like e.g. USB-host app. Useless and obsolete
23:56.00int_uabut at the moment I have to leave. See you all tomorrow :)
23:56.32DocScrutinizerShadowJK: that's ago how long?
23:56.36ShadowJK"Note that one can also have a "private" crash uploading server.
23:56.37ShadowJKJust provide a suitable (trivial) settings package for crash
23:56.37ShadowJKreporter which tells where to upload the cores"
23:57.17ShadowJK(Eero Tamminen on maemo-developers, 2010.10.13, "Re: Crash Reporting")
23:57.38DocScrutinizerwow, only err 2.5 years ago
23:57.53DocScrutinizerI'd have thought must be at least 4
23:58.35DocScrutinizeroops, 1.5 years?
23:58.46DocScrutinizertime for a break now, definitely
23:59.07ShadowJK"The crash information wouldn't usually be that useful for the 3rd party developers because their packages create rarely debug package needed for getting backtraces (Maemo infra doesn't create those automatically as it's Debian derived."
23:59.28DocScrutinizerlet's see if the 28th attempt for a break and getting dinner will pan out
23:59.40merlin1991wtf
23:59.47merlin1991I thought you came back with your chilli cheese :D

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