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04:13.08*** topic/#maemo-ssu is Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo2.1; (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo3 | meeting: 04.04 19:00 UTC
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07:01.41Lava_Crofthooray, work on tracker
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10:08.20Paliwhen will be new version of CSSU T?
10:08.47Paliwith patched ke-recv?
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10:46.06Palimerlin1991, ^^^
11:03.22DocScrutinizerdudes, I have a syslog for you. from when I did a call, inbound. FRIGGIN TRUCKLOAD OF MESS!
11:03.36DocScrutinizerwe should tackle that
11:04.41DocScrutinizeralso the annoying loglines like >>
11:04.45DocScrutinizerApr  7 12:23:55 IroN900 cellular: csd/libsms[792]: ISI_SMS .937683> ind_reg_status(): Net registration (ind) status:1 rc:0
11:04.47DocScrutinizerApr  7 12:23:55 IroN900 cellular: csd/libsms[792]: ISI_SMS .938934> set_timeout(): Timeout 1200 s event type:-1
11:04.48DocScrutinizerApr  7 12:24:08 IroN900 cellular: csd/libsms[792]: ISI_SMS .854400> incoming_cell_broadcast(): Incoming cell broadcast
11:05.19DocScrutinizerand >>
11:05.22DocScrutinizerApr  7 10:23:20 IroN900 cellular: csd/libsms[792]: ISI_SMS .492645> ind_reg_status(): Net registration (ind) status:1 rc:0
11:05.23DocScrutinizerApr  7 10:23:20 IroN900 cellular: csd/libsms[792]: ISI_SMS .493896> set_timeout(): Timeout 1235 s event type:-1
11:05.28DocScrutinizeroops
11:06.40DocScrutinizerlike >>
11:06.43DocScrutinizerApr  6 19:25:06 IroN900 wlancond[1616]: High signal
11:06.45DocScrutinizerApr  6 19:25:06 IroN900 kernel: [107646.301696] wlan0: roaming signal from driver, sending HIGHSIGNAL
11:06.46DocScrutinizerApr  6 19:25:46 IroN900 wlancond[1616]: Low signal
11:06.48DocScrutinizerApr  6 19:25:46 IroN900 kernel: [107686.238952] wlan0: roaming signal from driver, sending LOWSIGNAL
11:07.32DocScrutinizerI know I could log those lines to /dev/null, when my syslog.conf was correct
11:07.56DocScrutinizerbut I'd prefer to nuke tose spam logs out of kernel/$whatever
11:11.06DocScrutinizer.
11:11.11DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# grep "wlan0: roaming signal" /var/log/syslog|wc -l
11:11.12DocScrutinizer2664
11:11.14DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# grep "cellular: csd/libsms" /var/log/syslog|wc -l
11:11.15DocScrutinizer15469
11:11.17DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# wc -l /var/log/syslog
11:11.18DocScrutinizer57125 /var/log/syslog
11:11.47DocScrutinizer:-/
11:12.18DocScrutinizeralmost 30% are friggin "cellular: csd/libsms" lines
11:13.12DocScrutinizeractually the "wlan0: roaming signal" are * 2, so another 10%
11:14.43DocScrutinizerI'm not entirely clear yet about "GLIB DEBUG default"
11:15.26DocScrutinizermaybe I should adapt my loglevel somewhere?
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12:23.12sam23mpraying for testing update!
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12:38.43sam23mi wish the n900's camera would take pictures faster
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14:07.04merlin1991Pali: it's getting built
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14:37.36Palimerlin1991, ok write me when packages will be in cssu T repository
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15:18.55DocScrutinizerwhat's that stuff with slow nicocam?
15:19.43merlin1991DocScrutinizer: 2 mins too late
15:19.45DocScrutinizerallegedly taking ages to store pic
15:20.03merlin1991I never experienced slow nikocam
15:20.39merlin1991maybe he/she experienced swapping hell?
15:20.42DocScrutinizerI as well faul to see a story that explains it
15:20.48DocScrutinizerpossibly
15:21.00DocScrutinizerfail*
15:21.40DocScrutinizeror friggin tracker kicking in, turning system into a mess
15:22.25DocScrutinizer(btw sth that happens also when I accept a call - recall starts a new file, tracker rears its ugly head :-S )
15:22.45DocScrutinizerunbearable
15:23.38merlin1991why don't you add the folder recall uses to the tracker ignore config?
15:24.02merlin1991I mean it isn't trackers fault that it's not configured to ignore that set of files
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15:43.20MohammadAGaccepting calls is a nightmare on Fremantle
15:44.51DocScrutinizerI don't actually want it to ignore the files, as I eventually want to playback then in mediaplayer
15:45.20DocScrutinizerjust friggin tracker could shutup until call finished
15:45.34RST38hOnly if your device has been up for a while :)
15:46.02merlin1991well recaller could send tracker the dbus command to pause
15:46.06merlin1991and continue when it's done
15:46.09merlin1991so the file gets picked up
15:46.22DocScrutinizernice idea
15:46.33RST38hDocScrutinizer: A sensible (albeit somewhat awkward) solution would be to 1) permanently shut doen background tracker process and 2) add a desktop or status menu option saying "Reindex media"
15:46.37merlin1991i think nikocam has that code somewhere
15:47.00merlin1991RST38h: I'd rather add 2 desktop icons for paus and unpause tracker
15:47.04RST38hPausing tracker takes time
15:47.10merlin1991and just let it run when you feel like
15:47.23DocScrutinizerpausing tracker no option when inbound pending
15:47.24RST38hmerlin: or one status item - "Tracker: Do | Shutup"
15:47.34merlin1991yeah
15:47.52merlin1991so have tracker not running in general, but once a day tell it now you can :D
15:48.03DocScrutinizeryeah
15:48.08DocScrutinizera possible solution
15:48.14RST38hnot once a day
15:48.26RST38hbecause it does not know when you are adding media and want it shown
15:48.37RST38hso it has to be a button saying "run tracker once"
15:48.52DocScrutinizerI could trigger it from dbus scripting when call finished
15:48.59RST38hplus an on/off switch if you wish so
15:49.14MohammadAGor do it the Android way
15:49.30DocScrutinizerkill -sigstop * ?
15:49.30MohammadAGrun indexer only in certain conditions, otherwise add data manually :P
15:49.46MohammadAGindexer runs when you disconnect mass storage, or insert an SD Card
15:50.03MohammadAGotherwise (when downloading), the browser adds the file to the db
15:50.09MohammadAGrather than having the indexer running
15:50.14MohammadAGof course this needs major changes in code
15:50.14DocScrutinizererrr
15:50.53MohammadAGkill -sigstop is not the android nor iOS way
15:51.04MohammadAGandroid allows app to run in the background
15:51.07DocScrutinizerfor that amount of changes I'd rather go for nuking tracker off the globe and replace it in apps like mediaplayer with a dirt straight fs access
15:51.11RST38hplease note that tracker is *already* configurable almost to this degree via config file
15:51.28RST38hso it may not be such a huge fix
15:51.32MohammadAGiOS gives apps some time to save state and quit
15:51.48merlin1991http://paste.debian.net/162447/
15:51.56MohammadAGiOS 4.0 mutlitasking simply added the overridable function viewDisappeared() or whatever
15:52.32MohammadAGsaving state and quitting is a nice idea
15:52.43javispedroit is not
15:52.47MohammadAGwhen you have a 6GHz CPU that can launch apps quick enough for the user not to notice it
15:52.52javispedroback to the PalmOS days we are.
15:52.55MohammadAGwait for the sentence to finish javispedro
15:53.22MohammadAGon iOS you see a splash screen for quite some time
15:53.28javispedroah, sorry :)
15:53.34DocScrutinizeranywqay:
15:53.35MohammadAGlike Settings on Maemo 5
15:53.37DocScrutinizerApr  6 19:33:48 IroN900 tracker-indexer[4619]: GLIB WARNING ** Tracker - Unable to retrieve info from file (Error stating file '/home/user/MyDocs/calls/CurrentlyRecording.wav': No such file or directory)
15:53.46MohammadAGlol
15:54.04MohammadAGmerlin1991, 2220 tests passed
15:54.08merlin1991DocScrutinizer: does it stash does away later on?
15:54.19merlin1991s/h does/h those/
15:54.23DocScrutinizerobviously
15:54.37MohammadAGfuck openssl
15:54.39merlin1991well then just get it to write somewhere else that curently file
15:54.48merlin1991tell tracker to ignore the fsckd folder
15:54.52MohammadAGbuilding Qt takes time but it's fun to watch
15:54.58MohammadAGtracker works on Harmattan
15:55.07MohammadAGwhy? cause all the internals were changed
15:55.08merlin1991and then tracker happily indexes your "encoded, renamed whatever" file that shows up somewhere else later
15:55.15DocScrutinizerwell, not somewhere else, just in this very dir
15:55.24MohammadAGand probably cause of the 768MB increase in RAM
15:55.32DocScrutinizeronly under a different name of file
15:55.33merlin1991I don't think you can get tracker to ignore a single file in a dir
15:55.53DocScrutinizerindeed
15:56.11javispedrohey, I couldn't get fremantle tracker to ignore anything until that patch I made :)
15:56.11merlin1991so recaller has to write the temp file into some ignored folder and later on copy/move into indexed folder
15:56.15DocScrutinizerthe issue however is that it indexes at all during call
15:56.26merlin1991javispedro: ignore patch?
15:56.30DocScrutinizerjavispedro: that too, indeed
15:56.47merlin1991on your page I only noticed mediaart stuff and removebale device fixes
15:56.49javispedroyeah, ignore patch
15:57.11javispedrohttp://depot.javispedro.com/nit/tracker/realignore.patch
15:57.38DocScrutinizerI noticed that flaw in tracker some 2 years ago, I think
15:57.42javispedrooh, but this was for external mountpoints
15:57.46DocScrutinizeralways thought it's just me
15:58.04javispedrothe problem is that tracker adds certain mountpoints by default to its "watch" list
15:58.11merlin1991silly tracker
15:58.13DocScrutinizeryep
15:58.19DocScrutinizeridiot prog
15:58.22javispedroand FORGETs to compare those autoadded mountpoints against the exclude list
15:58.42javispedrowell, as MohammadAG, it got some work on Harm, this bug and a few others have been fixed
15:58.45javispedro*said
15:59.00merlin1991javispedro: those 3 patches from you will end in the next cssu-testing :D
15:59.12MohammadAGdoes the N900 have tracker-utils preinstallde?
15:59.24DocScrutinizernot afaik
15:59.27DocScrutinizernot sure
15:59.33merlin1991MohammadAG: openssl finsihed
15:59.40MohammadAGfuuuuuuuuuu
15:59.58DocScrutinizerdang, I seem to be glued to this chair :-S
16:00.12merlin1991DocScrutinizer: err what?
16:00.14DocScrutinizerhotel california syndrome
16:00.15MohammadAGwhat about libtrackerclient0
16:00.31MohammadAGYou can checkout any time you like...
16:00.40DocScrutinizerbut you can never leave
16:00.50MohammadAGbangs head while listening to solo in head
16:01.20MohammadAGmerlin1991, openssl finished here
16:01.22MohammadAGmuhahaha
16:01.44merlin1991do you still want a tarball or using your build?
16:02.24MohammadAGI'll use my build :p
16:02.38merlin1991all those cycles
16:02.39MohammadAGlibssl0.9.8 and openssl right?
16:02.41merlin1991wasted for nothing
16:03.05merlin1991MohammadAG: I have a dump of the mp depends here
16:03.06merlin1991comparing :D
16:03.20MohammadAGcheck tracker while you're at it :p
16:03.25DocScrutinizerbtw I've seen odd thing: apps were rotated to portrait in taskswitcher while they rotated to landscape in fullscreen
16:03.35MohammadAGand check if libcrypto0.9.8-udeb is installed
16:04.07merlin1991<PROTECTED>
16:04.20MohammadAGtracker-utils?
16:04.23DocScrutinizerI'd guess when an app is allergic to portrait, it will barf up even when rendering for thumbnail portrait
16:04.28merlin1991yes
16:04.33merlin1991libtrackerlient0 aswell
16:04.59DocScrutinizerso I dare calling this behaviour a bug
16:05.33merlin1991DocScrutinizer: hm landscape only applications don't rotate in the switcher afaik
16:05.44DocScrutinizerapp that shows the behaviour (though not suffering from it): extended call log
16:06.01MohammadAGwe shouldn't depend on
16:06.02MohammadAG<PROTECTED>
16:06.02MohammadAG<PROTECTED>
16:06.02MohammadAG<PROTECTED>
16:06.04MohammadAGanymore right?
16:06.27merlin1991sec
16:06.36MohammadAGig waut
16:06.37MohammadAGoh wait
16:06.49MohammadAGig waut looks like german btw, probably means something too
16:06.56MohammadAGshould depend on maemo-applet-tvout
16:07.14merlin1991nah :D
16:07.25MohammadAGyes
16:07.32MohammadAGit's a stock replaced control panel applet
16:07.35merlin1991Pali: tv-out which packages do we have to depend on ?
16:07.41DocScrutinizerI got protrait desktop, I open extcalllog via desktop shortcut, it displays in landscape, even when device helt portrait and kbd closed. I go to taskswitcher: extcalllog renders portrait thumbnail
16:08.00merlin1991DocScrutinizer: what's a portrait thumbnail in you book?
16:08.01DocScrutinizerheld*
16:08.27Palistatus-menu-applet-tvout is needed for all Tvout packages
16:08.29merlin1991because I open quassel2go (landscape only qt app) go to switcher, hold device in portrait and nothing happens
16:08.30DocScrutinizerobviously a thumbnail that's not only rotated but also rearranged
16:08.46MohammadAGso basically
16:08.49MohammadAGall 3 packages?
16:08.50Paliand maemo-applet-tvout is control panel plugin
16:08.53merlin1991only the header of the thumbnail with the application names swapps
16:08.55MohammadAGand the backend
16:09.03Palimaemo-applet-tvout is needed too
16:09.12Paliand maemo-tvout-control is optional
16:09.16DocScrutinizeror in short: a thumbnail of a portrait screen
16:09.33merlin1991DocScrutinizer: screenshot that please
16:09.38merlin1991I'm still confused
16:09.40Palicssu meta package must depends on: maemo-applet-tvout and status-menu-applet-tvout
16:09.55DocScrutinizerhmm, lemme see what I can do and where to upload, now that OVI us dead
16:10.06Paliboth packages should not be in user/section
16:10.10MohammadAGso basically, nothing changed
16:10.23MohammadAGexcept that we need yet another package, libtvctl
16:10.28merlin1991yep
16:10.42Palimaemo-tvout-control is optional and this only should be user/ section
16:10.43MohammadAGhttp://pastebin.com/hk5qc3RN merlin1991
16:10.59DocScrutinizerHAHAHA, screenshot of taskswitcher in portrait, with closed kbd. YEAH!
16:11.04merlin1991DocScrutinizer: ssh in
16:11.07merlin1991gst-launch
16:11.09DocScrutinizerin always
16:11.11merlin1991be a hero
16:11.18DocScrutinizerI'm
16:11.21merlin1991looking the commandline up currently
16:11.28MohammadAGdon't slide it all the way
16:11.30MohammadAGyou can do it
16:11.37MohammadAGthe engineer does it the hardware way
16:11.42MohammadAGdisassemble the device
16:11.44merlin1991I remember posting it on nokia developer some time ago
16:11.50DocScrutinizerwhat's the key shortcut?
16:11.50MohammadAGbreak the switch detecting slides
16:11.56MohammadAGCTRL+SHIFT+P
16:12.12MohammadAGor just cat /dev/fb0 > rawimage then convert that to png
16:12.18DocScrutinizeryeah, I can do this ;-P
16:12.34DocScrutinizer(sh-ctl-p)
16:12.40merlin1991or let me find the fsck commandline
16:13.07merlin1991here we go: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Capture_movie_directly_from_N9/N950_screen
16:13.16merlin1991gst-launch-0.10 ximagesrc num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc ! filesink location=screenshot.png
16:13.27merlin1991i think it's gst-launch without the -0.10 on maemo
16:13.28MohammadAGcat /dev/fb0 > rawimage ffmpeg -vcodec rawvideo -f rawvideo -pix_fmt rgb32 -s 800x480 -i rawimage -f image2 -vcodec png screenshot.png
16:13.35RST38hDear gods, please, port SiB to Harmattan. Sorry
16:13.55MohammadAGforgot a ; somewhere
16:14.01MohammadAGmerlin1991, check the debian/control file
16:14.04MohammadAGpastebin link
16:15.13DocScrutinizeroops friggin crap, wasn't extcalllog
16:18.12merlin1991MohammadAG: libxml2 missing
16:18.17MohammadAGmerlin1991, added it now
16:18.18DocScrutinizerbut Fahrplan
16:18.22MohammadAGmerlin1991, is -utils in the mp?
16:18.25MohammadAGlibxml2-utils
16:18.41merlin1991nope
16:18.50MohammadAGmerlin1991, not mine, PR1.3's
16:18.54merlin1991yeah
16:18.58merlin1991that's what I checked :D
16:19.05merlin1991is a wizard
16:19.21DocScrutinizermerlin1991: install Fahrplan, start up in portrait mode, it forces to landscape
16:19.21MohammadAGwe're done here
16:19.45DocScrutinizermerlin1991: then while still holding device in portrait, open taskswitcher
16:20.05DocScrutinizermerlin1991: watch Fahrplan thumbnail rerendering and rearranging whle screen
16:20.11MohammadAGUploading
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16:20.12merlin1991DocScrutinizer: nfc what you do
16:20.17merlin1991but fahrplan has a portrait mode here
16:20.34DocScrutinizerwell, it doesn't here
16:20.37merlin1991wtf
16:20.44merlin1991afaik I don't have forced enabled
16:20.58merlin1991version?
16:20.59MohammadAG<3 1MBps upload speed
16:21.01merlin1991I have 0.0.29
16:21.07DocScrutinizerand that's the way I like it and it's been until recently some crap nuked my UI-may-rotate gconf key
16:22.00DocScrutinizerno matter why, an app that's in ls in fullscreen mustn't switch to portrait in appswitcher *only*
16:22.50DocScrutinizerI wouldn't deny it's a bug in Fahrplan though
16:22.53DocScrutinizerNFC
16:23.42DocScrutinizeras evidently a lot of other apps (xterm etc) do NOT rotate to pt in appswitcher
16:23.50merlin1991even with ui_can_rotate false it rotates
16:24.04merlin1991do you by any chance have to portrait lock enabled?
16:24.11merlin1991or parts of it :D
16:24.35DocScrutinizercould you paste the gconftool line here to set ui_can_rotate false, please?
16:24.50merlin1991gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/ui_can_rotate -t bool false
16:24.55DocScrutinizerhanks
16:26.26merlin1991found the cornercase you had
16:26.31merlin1991ui_can_rotate to true
16:26.35DocScrutinizererr, is gconf user specific?
16:26.38merlin1991but orientation_lock true
16:26.47merlin1991dunno
16:26.53merlin1991I always ran that stuff as user though
16:27.06DocScrutinizershould it take effect immediately?
16:27.09merlin1991yes
16:27.20DocScrutinizeroh yes, it does
16:27.30merlin1991the state you want is ui_can_rotate false
16:27.30DocScrutinizer:-D
16:27.33merlin1991and portrait_lock false
16:27.43merlin1991but you're right about the taskswitcher
16:27.48DocScrutinizerno more portrait appswitcher, no more way to see the "bug"
16:28.07merlin1991well fahrplan app itself supports portrait
16:28.26merlin1991but you managed to have the ui rotation enabled whilst the other 50% of the lock (apps) were engaged
16:28.48merlin1991so it got forced back to landscape but the taskswitcher could still rotate happily
16:28.53DocScrutinizermhm, I think the separation of that is the root bug
16:29.17merlin1991I think the lock is the root bug ;)
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16:29.39DocScrutinizernah, portrait is the root of all bugs
16:29.44merlin1991hehe
16:30.33DocScrutinizerwill you open a ticket against $whatever regarding it?
16:30.46merlin1991well it was actually right in what it did
16:30.58merlin1991it acted accordingly to it's 2 config parameters
16:31.03DocScrutinizerthe result however is wrong
16:31.27DocScrutinizerso the definition of the semantics of those 2 parameters is flawed
16:31.28merlin1991but we've got the general "portrait lock comes from deeper layers of hell" ticket anyway
16:31.45merlin1991which we hopefully can start to tackle soon
16:32.43merlin1991MohammadAG: is the release uploaded?
16:33.00merlin1991I can't test till tomorrow evening (only brought my -stable n900 with me)
16:33.33freemangordonguys, any idea where the hell is jonwil?
16:33.42merlin1991nfc
16:33.42DocScrutinizer\o/ no more weird rotation when holding device a bit out of the flat
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16:34.40merlin1991btw anybody in here who has experience with acl on debian (or another distro)?
16:34.42DocScrutinizereven if I'd appreciate portrait, I'd bitch about gmeter orientation detection algo even more
16:34.48DocScrutinizerit's unbearable
16:35.23freemangordonanyone willing to help RE libcellularsettings.so, i.e. "phone" control panel applet. I have some progress, but it would take me probably a month or so and I have to suspend all other projects :(
16:35.26DocScrutinizerI.E the threshold and hysteresis is way too low
16:36.16merlin1991yeah I agree abotu the threshold
16:36.36merlin1991sometimes I get rotation with the slightes change of physical rotation state
16:36.55DocScrutinizeryep, that's hysteresis though
16:37.14freemangordonhmm, lets try on TMO
16:37.22DocScrutinizeraka "on at 9, off at 4"
16:37.26merlin1991freemangordon: good luck with that ;)
16:37.51merlin1991at least closing an application isn't tied to the same system
16:37.55freemangordon:) thanks. damn library is 40k of object code :(
16:38.22merlin1991the am I going to close this now game on harm is so annoying
16:38.48DocScrutinizer??
16:39.14merlin1991harm closes applications with a swipe from the physical "up"
16:39.22DocScrutinizeraaah
16:39.24DocScrutinizeryeah
16:39.39merlin1991especially funky if the device is lying flat on the desk
16:39.50DocScrutinizerhehe
16:40.14merlin1991hm something went wrong with the ads on the page I'm currently visiting
16:40.44DocScrutinizerthe virus failed and splattered screen with its blood?
16:41.21merlin1991firstly it's about "related video" even though I'm reading some text
16:41.46merlin1991and secondly its "Getting Started in PowerPoint 2010"  and "How to Disable AutoComplete in Internet Explorer"
16:41.58merlin1991(page content is about acl)
16:42.05DocScrutinizerhihi
16:42.08merlin1991wonders how those fit
16:42.52DocScrutinizerprobably your IP inherited from a winlose noob
16:43.35merlin1991yeah dhcp from the isp here
16:43.49merlin1991actually was G-lined on qnet from one of the ips I got :D
16:44.21DocScrutinizerhaha, yeah that happens
16:44.40DocScrutinizersome foolish nets set IP glines
16:44.48DocScrutinizerbtw what's a gline?
16:44.51MohammadAGmerlin1991, uploaded
16:45.00DocScrutinizeronly knows k-lines
16:45.34merlin1991is that what freenode calls a ban?
16:45.50DocScrutinizeryup, server wide ban
16:45.55DocScrutinizernetwork wide
16:46.20DocScrutinizerhmm
16:46.26merlin1991on quakenet it's g-lined
16:46.29DocScrutinizer~kline
16:46.37DocScrutinizer~k-line
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16:46.53*** topic/#maemo-ssu by merlin1991 -> Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo3; (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo3 | meeting: 04.04 19:00 UTC
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16:47.48merlin1991time to write a changelog
16:47.55merlin1991aint that fun :/
16:48.28merlin1991Pali: ke-recv is in the repos now
16:48.40Paliok
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17:00.14merlin1991changelog for current cssu release http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#T-maemo3
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17:07.14merlin1991hm bugs.maemo.org is slow
17:07.32DocScrutinizerI thought it's dead ;-P
17:07.53DocScrutinizerbut no, that's been harm bt
17:15.28RaimuHmm, let's fire up the ol' appman, then.
17:15.58Raimu...and tell it to refresh after it's been churning 'round for a couple of minutes already. I love this app.
17:17.15merlin1991damn going over the buglist I realized that there are more bugs filed for the stuff fixed in this version
17:19.27merlin1991I think I added them all now
17:20.49merlin1991why o why did I start the garage page
17:20.54merlin1991one more thing to manage
17:21.43RaimuTracker-doc conflict... hmms, let's see what's up with that.
17:26.00merlin1991Raimu: what's the exact package name of the conflict?
17:26.30NIN101I wonder whether it is safe to update from 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1.1 haha :P
17:26.46merlin1991NIN101: updates from any cssu version up should be save
17:30.57merlin1991waits for the first entry in the -testing thread on tmo :D
17:31.33NIN101hmm. but I first have to make sure that /etc/event.d/rcS-late and /etc/init.d/rcS weren't changed
17:34.20merlin1991wth have you set up on your n900?
17:34.26merlin1991and afaik we don't touch them
17:34.49NIN101e. g. encrypted /home/ - needed some hacks in those bootscripts.
17:38.04merlin1991I guess you could use dpkg-divert to keep your changes save
17:40.11merlin1991srly, nobody who knows a thing or two about acls?
17:42.09NIN101just ask... :P
17:54.10merlin1991well i need to have 1 directory where a bunch of users (in a group) can drop files which 1 other user can modify at will
17:58.30DocScrutinizerhmm, creating something means modifying it
17:58.53DocScrutinizerthus your plan won't be that easy, by concept
17:59.02NIN101but the users in the group should only drop them, not modify? If so, then it will be very difficult.
17:59.47DocScrutinizeryou could use inotify-monitor to move files or change their perms once they got created
18:00.24DocScrutinizerthis way only the creator will have a valid write filehandle
18:00.49DocScrutinizerof course there's still a race, a window of "vulnerabiity"
18:01.10merlin1991tbh I don't care that much about denying modify
18:01.27merlin1991my bigger problem is to autoallow the other user to have rights
18:02.12NIN101setfacl -m user:name:rwx folder or whatever?
18:02.55merlin1991well I have nfc about acl, only thought that it probably is the sanest way to approach this
18:03.30DocScrutinizeryou want a "local superuser"?
18:03.41DocScrutinizerperfectly feasible with ACL
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18:42.29merlin1991DocScrutinizer: yes, and that leaves me with the original question, how :D
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19:00.34arceanmerlin1991: Pali: freemangordon: we have a problem with situations like this: "1. Neither MyDocs, nor external card got mounted on startup"
19:00.47arceanfor e.g. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1189418&postcount=494
19:02.39freemangordonarcean, I saw that, but NFC what is that supposed to mean
19:03.08Paliarcean, bug when something points to /lib/init/upstart-job means problem with debhelper
19:03.10arceanlooks like emmc and memory card is not mounted on startup
19:03.36Palithis is big in creating package when calling dh_init*
19:03.56freemangordonPali, you know that bug?
19:04.03Paliyes
19:04.13Paliseems like new version of debhelper or dpkg
19:04.33Paliif you use regular scratchbox fremantle dpkg, this wont happen
19:04.44Pali(dpkg and debhleper)
19:04.46freemangordonscratchbox?
19:05.06freemangordonwhat has scratchbox to do with that?
19:05.20Paliscratchbox creating package
19:05.21freemangordonI mean those reports are for real devices
19:05.51freemangordonyou mean that the packages are prepared outside scratchbox?
19:05.55merlin1991Pali: so you mean with a newer debhelper the build goes bad?
19:06.05Palibut 412b said that ke-recv point to upstart-job
19:06.16arceanso what can we do, to fix the problem?
19:06.25freemangordonnew update?
19:06.30Palitry recompile package in scratchbox
19:06.35freemangordonmerlin1991, who prepared those packages?
19:06.46Paliand check if /etc/init.d/ke-recv point to upstart-job or not
19:07.01merlin1991freemangordon: mag
19:07.06Paliupstart-job is used on ubuntu
19:07.19Palimaemo still using /etc/event.d
19:07.41freemangordonMohammadAG ping
19:07.47merlin1991freemangordon: mag is gone for today
19:07.51freemangordongreat
19:07.58merlin1991well I'm still here ;)
19:08.02freemangordonmerlin1991, do you have scratchbox installed?
19:08.08merlin1991freemangordon: what a question :D
19:08.32arceannice, there's at least 5 people with bricked Maemo :D
19:08.33freemangordonwell, Paliu is still using mad AFAIK :D
19:08.57Palimadde has also fremantle compatible dpkg & debhelper
19:08.58merlin1991arcean: that's why it's called -testing and has a reflash warning on the wiki page :D
19:09.16freemangordonmerlin1991, make a new update ASAP
19:09.19arceanmerlin1991: yeah :D
19:09.37merlin1991freemangordon: sure, but I'll need the info as to why it went bad
19:10.01merlin1991Pali: which version of debhelper is bad?
19:10.12freemangordonbecause MAG has Harmattan SDK, that is why
19:10.12Paliall which is not in freamntle
19:10.20Paliso this can be reason
19:10.20merlin1991freemangordon: I have both aswell
19:10.27Paliharmattan dpkg & debhelper
19:10.32freemangordonAnd I am getting sick of that socalled maintanersip
19:10.49RaimuThis is hilarious to read as I see the CSSU installation crawl increase in yellow length. :p
19:10.51PaliI have qemu image for SDK fremantle
19:10.55RaimuOn my n900.
19:11.10PaliI can try to start it up and try to compile ke-recv
19:11.18merlin1991just wait
19:11.19Palibut I need to get version
19:11.24merlin1991builds ke-recv
19:11.28Paliok
19:11.29freemangordonmerlin1991, I have NFC how are those packages compiled, but it seems it is not done as it should
19:12.05merlin1991freemangordon: the problem is that you have so much influence on how a package is built from the buildpc
19:12.10freemangordonand lets fix this stuff before more devices are bricked. Will investigate afterwards, when mag is here
19:12.32freemangordonmerlin1991, disagree
19:12.55RaimuAnd reboot... let's hope I'm not bricked now. :-)
19:12.55freemangordonyou shold have a scratchbox environment which is used ONLY for CSSU
19:13.06freemangordonyou have AFAIK, ain't?
19:13.15merlin1991yeah I have
19:13.17freemangordonsee
19:13.29freemangordonare you sure MAG has one?
19:13.39merlin1991I know for sure that mags sb is kinda fucked up
19:13.50freemangordon:nod:
19:13.52merlin1991for example I never had those modest build bs
19:15.39freemangordonmerlin1991, make a post on TMO please, there is a little chance to save some innocent souls
19:15.45RaimuNo bricks here. Whew.
19:15.54merlin1991Raimu: got MyDocs mounted?
19:16.15merlin1991btw Raimu this isn't exactly bricking, only 90% of your datastorage is going to be missing
19:16.20Raimu:D
19:16.23Paliok, I see that problem is really with that upstart
19:16.28Palike-recv will not start
19:16.34Raimumerlin1991: I've got MyDocs mounted.
19:16.39freemangordoncould it be started manually?
19:16.43Palino
19:16.43merlin1991wtf
19:16.50Palibecause script is deleted
19:16.59Paliscript should be in /etc/init.d/ke-recv
19:17.14Palibut debhelper deleted it and created some upstart link
19:17.19freemangordonok, do we have terminal in that situation?
19:17.59Paliyou can downgrade
19:18.08freemangordonyeah, that was my idea
19:18.13Palicopy startup script
19:18.16Paliupgrade
19:18.25Paliand then add back that script
19:18.41freemangordonPali, no need for that, just downgrade until next update is ready
19:18.52Paliok
19:18.58Paliand when will be next update?
19:19.03freemangordonPali, do you know the exact command?
19:19.08freemangordonask merlin1991 :D
19:19.08merlin1991Pali: when I've built it :D
19:19.16Pali/etc/init.d/ke-recv start
19:19.19merlin1991Pali: how can I check if my build is proper?
19:19.24freemangordonno, for downgrade
19:19.38Palimerlin1991, update somewhere package
19:19.41Pali*upload
19:19.41merlin1991apt-get install ke-recv=MEMOVERSION
19:20.03Palior see if you have correct script /etc/init.d/ke-recv
19:20.10Paliin builded deb package
19:21.36merlin1991Pali: http://cdnm.at/~christian/maemo/ke-recv_3.19-14_armel.deb
19:22.31Paliseems is ok
19:22.49merlin1991hm but mags package has a /etc/init.d/ke-recv aswell
19:23.03Palireally?
19:23.12Palidiff it
19:23.16merlin1991yes
19:23.16merlin1991http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/pool/fremantle/free/k/ke-recv/ke-recv_3.19-14_armel.deb
19:23.49Palino
19:23.56Palithat package has invalid symlink
19:24.19Palithat package is really bad
19:25.00Paliit show me: lrwxrwxrwx 1 pali pali 21 Apr  7 16:20 etc/init.d/ke-recv -> /lib/init/upstart-job
19:25.00merlin1991hm funky diff http://paste.ubuntu.com/919373/
19:25.19Palimerlin1991, there is really no file etc/init.d/ke-recv
19:25.30Paliit is only symlink!!!
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19:25.58merlin1991hm why does ark resolve it to file then?
19:25.59merlin1991weird
19:26.08Palibecause you have ubuntu?
19:26.14merlin1991probably
19:26.21merlin1991anyway does my build look ok?
19:26.28PaliI wrote that that upstart is used on ubuntu
19:26.30Paliyes
19:26.36Paliseems your build is ok
19:26.42Palioh no
19:26.49Palithere is other problem
19:27.10Paliit is not easy to upgrade from MAG bad version to your new fixed
19:27.22merlin1991Pali: I'll upload with higher version
19:27.31Palithis is not enought
19:27.46merlin1991what else is problematic?
19:27.52Paliconffine
19:27.58Pali*confile
19:28.13Paliwhen you try to upgrade with dpkg -i <new version>
19:28.26Pali... old invalid link will not be replaced /etc/init.d/ke-recv
19:28.42Paliso you need to first uninstall ke-recv and then install new version again
19:28.57merlin1991hm?
19:28.59RaimuWhy not?
19:29.06freemangordonPali, why is that?
19:29.15merlin1991how can mags packge replace but a higher version not?
19:29.16Palifreemangordon, try it
19:29.33Palimerlin1991, try too
19:29.39merlin1991not -testing device with me
19:29.45Palifirst install bad mag version
19:29.46freemangordonI can't, my device is running ke-recv build by me
19:29.59freemangordonaah
19:30.02freemangordonyeah
19:30.08Palifreemangordon, install MAG version and then install fixed merlin version
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19:30.21PaliI tried this and bad link /etc/init.d/ke-recv was still here
19:30.26freemangordonPali, don't have time to do that now, sorry. Do you know the reason
19:30.28freemangordon?
19:30.33Paliyes
19:30.35merlin1991tries
19:30.37Paliconffiles and dpkg
19:30.58merlin1991Pali what is the wrong link and what would the right one be?
19:31.20Palifile /etc/init.d/ke-recv must be shell script
19:31.38Palibut MAG version has symlink with that filename
19:31.50freemangordonwhatever it means :D. anyway, seems there is enough expertise without me bringing noise.
19:31.59Paliand when you try to upgrade file will not be replaced with symlink
19:32.20Palimerlin1991, at least release new version quickly
19:32.33merlin1991why does the symlink from mag kill that though?
19:32.38merlin1991Pali:  on my way
19:33.00Palibecause debian conffiles and dpkg behaviour
19:33.22merlin1991SILLY
19:33.37Palithere could be hope: HAM using apt-worker and it does not used dpkg but libapt
19:33.46Paliso maybe HAM will update it
19:34.22Palifix for that problem could be: delete /etc/init.d/ke-recv and reinstall new version of ke-recv
19:34.56Paliwhen file /etc/init.d/ke-recv will not exists, dpkg will unpack correct version from deb package
19:35.19Pali$ sudo rm -rf /etc/init.d/ke-recv && sudo apt-get install --reinstall ke-recv
19:35.39Palithis could fix this problem ^^^
19:39.11DocScrutinizerhaha, let's start the fun then
19:39.56merlin1991okay fixed package with increased version number is up
19:40.06merlin1991adjusts the metapackge
19:40.38DocScrutinizermerlin1991: no, this is not the way to *test* packages. it's not called devel after all, it's TESTING, implying it's already considered working, and that implies it got tested thoroughly by developer and a few guinea pigs
19:40.49merlin1991DocScrutinizer: yes yes yes
19:40.56merlin1991well it was
19:41.01merlin1991it was a build error that made it all bad
19:41.15merlin1991also no time, gotta prevent bricks ;)
19:41.49DocScrutinizerindeed
19:45.14merlin1991okay fixed file should be uploaded
19:45.49merlin1991yes it's there
19:49.57merlin1991okay now that we have a proper package out there, why did this upstart bs happen?
19:50.08merlin1991or rather, can we prevent that on source level?
19:53.03freemangordonmerlin1991, there is no way to prevent the MAINTAINER from doing BS to the packages
19:53.13merlin1991yes
19:53.27merlin1991though can we prevent debhelper from doing bs?
19:54.00Paliyes, if we use correct debhelper :D
19:55.05freemangordonmerlin1991, well, then we should fix all the control files
19:55.31freemangordonto depend on debheler version in SB
19:55.46freemangordons/debheler/debhelper/
19:56.10DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: :-D
19:56.16DocScrutinizerthumbs up
19:57.12DocScrutinizerplus I'd like to suggest to find a way to give a release a final check before enabling it to general public
19:57.49freemangordonbut that does not answer the question WHY THE HELL MAG UPLOADS STUFF IN THE REPOS WITHOUT BEING TESTED ON HIS DEVICE?
19:58.16DocScrutinizerand have advisory instructions from patch devels on how to test the possible areas of impact for their patch
19:58.46merlin1991DocScrutinizer: plus thing is getting handled
19:58.52merlin1991aka cssu-devel
19:59.03merlin1991aka I need them damn acl done so it can go live
19:59.39freemangordonmerlin1991, but then the maintainer should not build the stuff which is already in -devel repo
19:59.51merlin1991yea
19:59.53DocScrutinizerwell, I hope the man pages will be clear on ACL
19:59.58freemangordonBTW that is why i uploaded ke-recv on your server
20:00.13merlin1991DocScrutinizer: man pages on acl just intrduce a state of "brain is full of fuck"
20:00.23merlin1991s/intrduce/introduce/
20:00.39DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
20:01.06freemangordonmerlin1991, so THAT build to be used. BTW do we know if there are other packages fcked up?
20:01.19merlin1991freemangordon: we never know that
20:01.33DocScrutinizercould we find a way to know?
20:01.50merlin1991ofc, upgrade and check if everything still works :D
20:02.00freemangordonIf I were you, I will rebuild all the stuff from the last update and will make a new update
20:02.01DocScrutinizer*sigh*
20:02.18freemangordonexcluding ke-recv of course
20:03.12freemangordonsee, it just does not make sense to have bug-reporst for nonexisting bugs, it is the same situation as with modest.
20:04.00freemangordonit took 4 months to find that actually MAG's SB is fcked up.
20:04.28Palican we use autobuilder on garage?
20:04.37freemangordonno
20:04.39freemangordonno way
20:04.43Paliwhy?
20:04.46freemangordonQt
20:05.13freemangordonplu autobuilder will put the stuff in extras-devel :p
20:05.18freemangordon*plus
20:05.48merlin1991freemangordon: there actually is a builder specific for communit and community-testing
20:05.55freemangordonat least if we don't feed him with KP :D
20:06.05freemangordonmerlin1991, do we have access to it?
20:06.13merlin1991but it has an fsckd setup that is partly copied over from the -devel builder
20:06.21merlin1991which leads to most things not building
20:06.53merlin1991when I started -stable I've spent about a month untill I gave up and just compiled in a dedicated sb target
20:08.11merlin1991only that this sb target by now is polluted by -devel stuff, so for next stable I'll create yet another new sb target
20:08.15merlin1991fun times ahead
20:08.27merlin1991err not -devel but cssu-testing
20:09.28freemangordonso, effectively we don't have autobuilder and should do the job by hand
20:10.08merlin1991yep
20:10.41merlin1991though I've played with the idea to hack together an outobuilder on my server :)
20:10.45merlin1991but that is for the far future :D
20:10.56merlin1991lol @ outobuilder
20:11.08merlin1991see, that's what the acl manpages did to me!
20:11.35freemangordon:D
20:12.43merlin1991I really wonder though how we can prevent debhelper from doing silly ubuntu specific things
20:12.58freemangordonI was near the same state a few hours ago, while REing libcellularsettings
20:13.13freemangordonby using the EXACT version in control file
20:13.27merlin1991sure that's one way
20:13.45merlin1991though afaik newer debhelper somehow coexists with older one or something
20:14.01merlin1991could be spreading fud though, not sure
20:14.33merlin1991freemangordon: one day I'll know how to RE stuff aswell, for now I know way too much about various build systems source->binary :D
20:17.45merlin1991the most interesting thing I learned today though is, that ark when it finds a symlink inside a tar also presents you your local file
20:17.46merlin1991kinda wtf
20:17.55DocScrutinizermerlin1991: restore backup?
20:18.13merlin1991of my brain or what?
20:18.19merlin1991sry, you got me lost there
20:19.10DocScrutinizer<merlin1991> only that this sb target by now is polluted by -devel stuff, so for next stable I'll create yet another new sb target
20:21.07merlin1991yeah there is one thing about backups, you gotta do ones to be able to restore them :D
20:21.52merlin1991but creating a new sb target is quite fast, untar rootstrap, install maemo-whatever-mp, add cssu repo, install qt, hussa I'm done :)
20:35.07merlin1991hm I've got my acl as far as that the user in question can edit the files because he's got rw
20:35.16merlin1991but he can't move / delete the file
20:35.32merlin1991ah wait
20:36.23merlin1991it works
20:36.48merlin1991I tried to move the file within the folder, but whilst the user was allowed todo anyhting with the file, he couldn't write to the folder
20:36.49merlin1991:P
20:37.23freemangordonso, we have a working -devel repo?
20:37.38merlin1991about 5 commands away of going live
20:37.51merlin1991and ofc I'll have to email you guys the instructions :D
20:38.45merlin1991it beats me though why the acl tool is called setfacl (set file access list) even though it works on direcotries aswell
20:38.56freemangordonunix?
20:39.14Siceloeverything is a file :P
20:39.16freemangordoneverything is a file :p
20:39.22freemangordon:D:D:D
20:39.28merlin1991fu :D
20:40.07merlin1991shit
20:40.08DocScrutinizerLOL
20:41.31freemangordonPali, isn't it time to put KP50 in testing?
20:42.41Paliyes
20:42.49PaliI will promote it now
20:43.41freemangordongreat
20:51.16Palidone
20:51.27merlin1991freemangordon: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/
20:52.06freemangordonmerlin1991, what versions are the packages there?
20:52.12merlin1991current -devel
20:52.17merlin1991err -testing
20:52.21freemangordonok
20:52.30freemangordongreat
20:52.31merlin1991should not operate as root in such a state
20:52.47freemangordonrm -rf / ?
20:52.51freemangordon:D
20:53.12merlin1991I just have to remember the pass I set for the reprepro user then I can start the handler for the incoming queue and you can start breaking it :D
20:54.11merlin1991hm I should write the passwords down one day
20:54.26freemangordonPali, KP49 is ready for extras, KP50 is still not in -testing. Maybe we should promote KP49 in -extras first :(
20:54.51merlin1991freemangordon: you need votes for that not promotion
20:54.51Paliok, I will try
20:55.07PaliI think we have needed votes
20:55.20freemangordonyeah, I can vote too if neede :D
20:56.03merlin1991okay the incoming system should be alive aswell
20:56.23merlin1991freemangordon: got some package ready you could upload as a test?
20:56.57freemangordonok, i have a new version of libconnui-dev
20:57.11merlin1991hehe the only package that isn't even in the repo
20:57.14freemangordonlet me change debian/changelog
20:57.15merlin1991but should be fine aswell
20:57.38freemangordonwhy it is not in repo?
20:58.16merlin1991because it is not part of the user end
20:58.25RaimuI find it hilarious how my n900 now goes into offline mode and probably reboots updating T3 to T3.1
20:58.31merlin1991and possibly can wrek havok on devices actually
20:58.42merlin1991it's a re package for a library that exists otherwise on the device
20:58.50merlin1991coming from another package ondevice
20:59.17freemangordonit is -dev package, mp should not depend on it, but it should be available in repo
20:59.32merlin1991well it is on gitorious
20:59.35freemangordonhowever
21:00.08freemangordonmerlin1991, what version to assign, current is 0.1
21:00.11freemangordon?
21:00.17freemangordon0.1-1?
21:00.50merlin1991yea
21:01.04PaliI promoted v49 packages too
21:01.22merlin1991uh oh
21:01.35Palifreemangoron, if I missed someting to promote, you can also promote it too
21:01.43merlin1991I can see maemo.org going down screaming trying to comprehend having pk in -testing and extras
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21:11.52freemangordonPali, ok, but it seems the mess continues :D
21:12.38Paliok, seems that maemo package interface win...
21:12.49freemangordon:D
21:13.11PaliI do not have needed power for package interface now
21:13.25Palitry to promote packages too
21:13.44freemangordonok
21:13.46Paliif you do not have rights, request for them
21:13.50freemangordonwill try
21:16.14freemangordonPali, promote KPS too
21:21.24freemangordonPali, after all we won :D http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/kernel-power/2.6.28-10power50/
21:23.08PaliI cannot promote this package: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/kernel-power-settings/0.14/
21:23.16Palipromote button is missing...
21:23.19Paliand I'm login
21:23.35merlin1991freemangordon: do you plan to use the -devel repo a lot?
21:23.53freemangordonmerlin1991, well, NFC, depends on what is ready
21:24.03freemangordonbut most-probably not
21:25.01merlin1991anyway, when you use it take care to make small  x.yourversion increments so it can seamlessly update to -testing state when we make a real release again
21:25.23freemangordonx.myversion or x-myversion?
21:25.44merlin1991hm
21:25.56merlin1991from a debian standpoint I gues x-myversion makes more sense
21:26.19DocScrutinizerPali: maybe it's nonsense, but I noticed that those buttons often were hidden for me when I had wrong browser or wrong settings or anything
21:26.45DocScrutinizeralso switching theme helped IIRC
21:26.49RaimuPali: Has it got something to do with that glaring "Warning: This package does not have a proper description" message?
21:29.10freemangordonis afk
21:30.19PaliI think description is OK
21:32.42Palifreemangordon, I created link: https://maemo.org/packages/repository/promote/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/kernel-power-settings/0.14/
21:32.57Paliand it show me: Can not continue promotion, because dependency package kernel-power-flasher is a user section package and needs to be promoted first!
21:33.07freemangordon:D
21:33.17merlin1991pwnd
21:33.46freemangordonPali, seems it needs some time
21:33.56Paliit is stupid, that for this reason is not visible show button
21:33.59freemangordonKP50 took 15 or so minutes to appear in -testing
21:35.33freemangordonor we will need X-Fade to clear KP42 from extras :(
21:36.23Raimu:)
21:36.26freemangordonseemskernel-power-flasher 2.6.28-maemo42 > kernel-power-flasher 2.6.28-10power49, damn
21:37.13Paliwho can delete package from repo or interface?
21:37.17Palionly X-Fade??
21:37.24freemangordonAFAIK
21:37.47Palisupertesters cannot?
21:38.11merlin1991removal != promotion
21:38.40Paliand what can supertesters?
21:48.14Palimerlin1991, can you tell to X-Fade to remove old version of kernel-power from Extras?
21:48.36merlin1991I guess I'll reach him earliest on tuesday if I reach him
21:49.18PaliExtras-Devel & Extras-Testing is OK now
21:51.06Palimerlin1991, why is status-menu-applet-tvout in user/desktop section?
21:51.32merlin1991I guess because mag didn't check the sections
21:51.48Paliok, I will change it in git
22:00.17Palidone
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22:10.25MohammadAGyeah... what's 3.1?
22:10.32MohammadAGmerlin1991, ?
22:10.43merlin1991your ke-recv build was broken
22:10.54MohammadAGmerlin1991, in what way?
22:10.56merlin1991wrong debhelper created upstart link instaed of /etc/init.d shell script
22:11.04MohammadAGerr
22:11.19merlin1991fix your fsckd scratchbox :D
22:12.40MohammadAGmerlin1991, so it's unrelated to the bug report?
22:12.47merlin1991bug report?
22:13.50MohammadAGhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12594
22:13.52povbotBug 12594: the todays CSSU update messed up my N900 completely !!!
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22:15.27merlin1991that can be closed as stufu fixed
22:15.51merlin1991it's all thanks to ke-recv not loading
22:15.56MohammadAGnice
22:17.41DocScrutinizerwe should train users to clearly state if they're talking about T or S!
22:18.20Raimu*facepalm*
22:18.45Raimu"STFU FIXED" sounds great, though.
22:21.46Palifreemangordon, I updated my n900 to last cssu T, but mmc names are not fixed
22:22.53PaliI have one partition for nemo with name "Nemo" and other partitions with other names. But hildon-fm/osso-file-manager show me paritions: Nemo, Nemo (1), Nemo (2), Nemo (3), Nemo (4)
22:26.09RaimuWorks for me.
22:28.33merlin1991gotta love it how 12594 is filed as enhancement
22:30.50MohammadAGisn't it?
22:31.13MohammadAGI thought breaking devices was an enhancement
22:38.05merlin1991hmm https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12031 close as fixed or wontfix? :D
22:38.05povbotBug 12031: Zoom out (ctrl-shift-f) goes one step too far
22:40.39MohammadAGwell now it's invalid really
22:41.29DocScrutinizerI opt for WONTFIX
22:42.40DocScrutinizerproject discontinued means WONTFIX, that's what Andre__ does all the time
22:44.26merlin1991wontfixed
22:47.18javispedrothe music player does not find the stoned music!
22:48.05merlin1991stoned music? wtf?
22:48.34RaimuI've heard of stoner music, sure, but...
22:48.49javispedro"stoned bug reporter" returns no hits sadly :(
22:48.54javispedro*google hits
22:49.10DocScrutinizerhey javispedro :-D
22:50.24javispedroheya
22:50.48freemangordonPali, and what is is supposed to be?
22:51.09Palifreemangordon, for ech partition correct name
22:51.10merlin1991hm I feel like closing that bug with something along the lines of "Despite this bugreport consisting of 100% fail I can assure you that all your problems are solved with Tmaemo3.1" :D
22:51.40Palifreemangordon, my partitions have names: Data, Kubuntu, Nitdroid, Nemo
22:52.49freemangordonhmm, libossfm is in the update?
22:53.23merlin1991wasn't it already in the last one
22:54.09Palifreemangordon, I think this is problem with ke-recv
22:54.10merlin1991libhildonfm was part of the last cssu-testing
22:54.20freemangordonPali, what is your libhildonfm version?
22:54.22Palibecause ke-recv will send to fm mmc names
22:55.05freemangordonPali, i see what you mean
22:55.26Pali1:2.28.22+0cssu2
22:55.51freemangordonyep, that is the correct version
22:56.03freemangordonPali, at least icons are correct?
22:57.28Paliyes
22:57.31Paliicons is ok
22:57.43RaimuNote to self, don't try to rename a uSD partition with hildon file manager.
22:58.05freemangordonso, it is in ke-recv most probably
22:58.05RaimuNOW I've got a buncha partitions named Thing, Thing (2), Thing (n)...
22:58.12PaliI renamed it on PC
22:58.21PaliRaimu, same names
22:58.24PaliI have
22:58.28freemangordonRaimu, yes, that is what we are talking about
22:58.39RaimuBefore I tried renaming using hildon file manager, I had them proper.
22:58.57RaimuI renamed one, it just went and renamed everyone in order.
22:59.37freemangordonRaimu, can you check that using PC?
22:59.47RaimuLemme check.
23:00.08Palifreemangordon, I check output from lshal and it show me correct parts names
23:00.17freemangordonas it seems the real problem is that ke-recv does not send correct names to libhildonfm, not that the partitions are renamed in a row
23:00.40Pali$ lshal | grep volume.label
23:01.24Paliok, now I'm going offline
23:01.29Palibye bye
23:01.34freemangordonbye
23:05.34merlin1991http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1189475&postcount=142
23:05.50merlin1991I BET 2 of his 130 apps are theme customizer and modified-hildon-desktop
23:06.19merlin1991and the icing on top probably is "speedpatch"
23:06.56freemangordondon't think so. have in mind that he had updated KP too, sometimes you need to power-cycle your device to get rid of SGX recovery errors.
23:07.00RaimuWell, I see hitting rename on a completely different partition in hildon fm does in fact rename at least the fat partitions I have in there.
23:07.39freemangordonRaimu, could you please file a bug with the instructions to recreate?
23:07.54freemangordonis afk
23:08.27RaimuUh, haven't ever filed a bug, but I guess so.
23:08.54merlin1991freemangordon: yeah SGC recovery is a possibility too
23:09.01merlin1991err SGX
23:09.22merlin1991but I don't see how cssu is at fault for getting his device into a completely unstable mode
23:09.44merlin1991afaik we dont du such things unless we publish improper packages of ke-recv :D
23:14.33freemangordonmerlin1991, there is a bug in SGX kernel driver, sometimes not initializing the hardware properly after a reboot, and that is what CSSU does ;)
23:15.02javispedrodo what?
23:15.22javispedrofreemangordon: you mean you fixed that?
23:16.06merlin1991no but an installation issues a reboot :)
23:16.25merlin1991so potetntially when you install it you run into SGX recovery madness :D
23:16.45javispedroah
23:16.52javispedroI hate all PowerVR drivers :(
23:16.57merlin1991omfg http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1189517&postcount=510
23:17.09merlin1991it's the 3rd person that asks the question
23:17.17merlin1991and this time the changelog was even up in time
23:17.21merlin1991facepalms
23:40.14DocScrutinizerindeed

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