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| 10:34.56 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: ping |
| 10:50.12 | Jaffa | merlin1991: So you're not fully aware of what the "CSSU issue" is either? |
| 10:50.35 | merlin1991 | Jaffa: I am |
| 10:50.40 | merlin1991 | I meant that tmo isn't |
| 10:50.43 | Jaffa | Ah |
| 10:50.49 | Jaffa | Well, it's still been badly communicated. |
| 10:50.58 | merlin1991 | it's never been communicated afaik |
| 10:51.45 | Jaffa | The CSSU project never came forward publicly to say "we have issue X, we think Y would solve it, but..." maemo-developers, as the official mailing list, would've been the right place. |
| 10:51.48 | merlin1991 | the problem is that the upload to the repo is tied to 1 garage account (mags) and therefore to 1 set of rsa keys, which makes it impossible to release stuff if said person is missing |
| 10:52.36 | merlin1991 | We had several talks with X-Fade where he said that the current infrastructure works in a way that only 1 account will work, and that it "needs work" |
| 10:53.36 | Jaffa | But before that there's a public discussion to be had about who should be CSSU -testing and -stable gatekeepers, and the process around that. |
| 10:54.06 | merlin1991 | wonders what the result of that would be |
| 10:54.12 | Jaffa | ...involving the current stakeholders. |
| 10:54.42 | merlin1991 | since for pretty much any process that would make for proper qa we don't have enough people |
| 10:54.52 | merlin1991 | we're atm 4 guys who do stuff for cssu |
| 10:55.13 | merlin1991 | not exactly the basis to have a lot of qa and defined processes that by definition take time |
| 10:55.47 | Jaffa | merlin1991: An agreement with MAG etc that you (say) should also be able to upload to -testing but that $USER will be the only user who can push to -stable. Once there's a defined set of people, there's an obvious workaround: there's a new garage account set up with shared keys (whilst a backlog item is added to the repo to allow multiple pushing) |
| 10:56.13 | Jaffa | merlin1991: Right, but if there're no processes people can't then complain that $RANDOM_REQUEST_ON_IRC isn't finished by $RANDOM_TIME_NO_ONE_AGREED_TO |
| 10:56.21 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 10:56.41 | merlin1991 | well atm we've got your proposed intermediate setup in place |
| 10:57.25 | Jaffa | Right. So what's the "CSSU issue"? AFAIK, ultimately, it's that MAG set up a project but got a bit busy and a whole bunch of users got very upset whilst a few developers were constructively still pushing changes to git. |
| 10:57.55 | Jaffa | Said users not realising that, perhaps, a small delay isn't the end of the world (especially since it's still far faster than Nokia's own release processes) |
| 10:58.09 | merlin1991 | that's it, plus the problem in infrastucture that does not allow us to actually have a second person to upload stuff |
| 10:58.19 | merlin1991 | only it wasn't a small delay |
| 10:58.23 | Jaffa | merlin1991: Except it does if you have a shared account |
| 10:58.26 | merlin1991 | Mag was Mia for a month or 2 |
| 10:58.34 | merlin1991 | Jaffa: but it's not proper |
| 10:58.49 | merlin1991 | there should be distinctive accounts for everyone who can upload |
| 10:59.06 | merlin1991 | simply for matters of transparency when something goes wrong |
| 10:59.21 | Jaffa | merlin1991: So what? You've got 4 people and limited QA anyway. Separate accounts gives better accountability, but again - you can fix that with process (e.g. sign some random file in the package with your private RSA key) |
| 10:59.35 | merlin1991 | I don't want to sit here and discuss the fallout of of $someone uploaded to -testing some foobar and now we want to know who |
| 11:01.01 | Jaffa | merlin1991: Right; but the problem is that the community (through SD69) just seems to organise occasional meetings and throw tasks at X-Fade without any public prioritisation. I agree with his assessment he's perhaps been too focused on apps.formeego.org, and that the allocated resource to Maemo needs to be used. |
| 11:01.05 | merlin1991 | hm wrong wording I meant I don't want to sit here having to deal wit hthe fallout of ... |
| 11:01.26 | Jaffa | However, that the Council can't present a list of the current backlog is a problem. |
| 11:01.46 | merlin1991 | well currently there is no council |
| 11:01.48 | Jaffa | Especially since all the code is open source and if anyone *really* needed to, could scratch their own itch. And then the task for X-Fade is to support. |
| 11:02.03 | merlin1991 | there's just SD69 who happened to get active towards the end of the period |
| 11:02.07 | Jaffa | Indeed; but that seems to be being discussed on TMO as *Nokia*'s fault. |
| 11:02.19 | Jaffa | It's the community's fault for not stepping up. |
| 11:02.29 | merlin1991 | well I don't represent $tmo_opinon :D |
| 11:03.02 | merlin1991 | but you're right about the backlog, there needs to be a list of problems with attached priorities |
| 11:03.23 | merlin1991 | but about open source code of mame.org I didn't know that |
| 11:03.45 | merlin1991 | when javispedro posted a link in here the other day it was the first time ever I saw it |
| 11:04.39 | Jaffa | merlin1991: It's not massively discussed because so few people ever contributed (e.g. during the phases of hectic development on maemo.org, despite repeated calls for volunteers with CSS; PHP; ... no-one really came forward) |
| 11:04.57 | Jaffa | I think I submitted a patch (or at least an architecture) for something around karma calculation in 2007/2008. |
| 11:12.22 | freemangordon | merlin1991, pong |
| 11:12.39 | merlin1991 | I lost my note regarding l10n re :$ |
| 11:12.45 | merlin1991 | got the tool name for me again? :D |
| 11:13.43 | freemangordon | hahahaha :D. you promised to have a backup note. anyway, it is msgunfmt. |
| 11:13.52 | merlin1991 | well it is in my logs |
| 11:13.57 | merlin1991 | though easier to just ask the man :D |
| 11:14.07 | freemangordon | yeah :) |
| 11:14.42 | freemangordon | what's going on with the next -testing update, any responce frm mag? |
| 11:15.09 | merlin1991 | got email yesterday that he'll show up here today |
| 11:15.35 | freemangordon | good, good, after all it seems miracles happen :D |
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| 12:59.00 | Pali | merlin1991, freemangordon, DocScrutinizer: I added support for cbs widget and control panel to change channel number |
| 12:59.15 | Pali | Code in my git repo: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-operator-name-cbs-widget |
| 13:00.28 | Pali | I'm testing it now, if there are no problems, I will push it to cssu repo |
| 13:06.00 | freemangordon | ok |
| 13:23.00 | Pali | seems, that working fine |
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| 15:53.58 | freemangordon | Pali, I am going to RE phone control panel applet, maybe it is better to wait until I finish, as your code should be integrated there |
| 16:08.52 | Pali | freemangordon, ok |
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