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17:10.08Palihi, when is next bugmeeting?
17:20.46merlin1991Pali:  topic tells ya :D
17:21.03merlin1991or not
17:21.17merlin1991DocScrutinizer: why is the meeting not in the topic anymore
17:22.22merlin1991anyway it's @ 20:UTC
17:22.37Paliok
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17:23.02*** topic/#maemo-ssu by merlin1991 -> Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1 | STABLE: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1129261 \o/ | bugmeeting today 20:00 UTC
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18:50.01DocScrutinizer51merlin1991: maybe I nuked it
18:50.48DocScrutinizer51not planned to do
18:51.22freemangordonmerlin1991, I am ill, most probably won't be able to participate :(
18:59.04merlin1991:/
19:01.59DocScrutinizerI'm dead, so will be there in zombie state ;-)
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19:45.32DocScrutinizer51out for dinner, yet online
19:59.57merlin1991searches for the other 2 n900s
20:01.02merlin1991okay who's around?
20:01.29DocScrutinizer51semi
20:01.35merlin1991Pali, freemangordon, MohammadAG, DocScrutinizer51 ping
20:01.45Palipong
20:01.50PaliI'm here
20:03.36merlin1991I've sent mag an sms, so we'll start in ~5 mins
20:04.39MohammadAGmerlin1991: You did?
20:04.45merlin1991I did
20:05.03merlin1991don't tell me you've got wrong sims and stuff again
20:06.56merlin1991okay, first bug for today is bug #12248
20:06.59povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12248 camera always turns flash light on, even if set off
20:07.29DocScrutinizer51cnd
20:08.18Paliis that problem in old closed nokia camera-ui or new cssu version?
20:08.47merlin1991it's valid for new cssu version
20:09.08merlin1991though I don't know if it's simply needed for the autofocus
20:09.22merlin1991stock camera-ui behaves the same
20:09.26merlin1991I guess it's focus related
20:09.59merlin1991ah wait the device I tested it on was stable, so I can only say for stock ui
20:10.07merlin1991someone with -testing please test
20:10.17DocScrutinizer51it's only for fist shot, and on both cams
20:10.24DocScrutinizer51first
20:10.59DocScrutinizer51known
20:11.09DocScrutinizer51since.......
20:11.15merlin1991is that actually a bug or invalid?
20:11.41merlin1991since it seems to stop the light when the autofocus is finished
20:11.43DocScrutinizer51valid, though incorrexctly stated
20:12.07merlin1991can we do something about it?
20:12.17DocScrutinizer51dunno
20:12.25merlin1991in other words is the underlying stuff nokia closed or oss?
20:12.30DocScrutinizer51prolly not
20:13.12merlin1991Pali: any idea?
20:13.17Palino idea
20:13.23PaliI do not know camera code
20:13.32merlin1991so I'll ask nicolai, k
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20:14.40DocScrutinizer51comment: "known issue for stock cam, for fist shot only. WONTFIX"
20:14.56merlin1991well if we can fix it I wouldn't mark it wontfix
20:15.01DocScrutinizer51or rather PRIO?lowest
20:15.15DocScrutinizer51yup
20:16.07merlin1991next in the list is bug #12251
20:16.09povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12251 Upgrades only manually in X Terminal with apt-get code.
20:16.25merlin1991that one quite possibly is due to a fucked up system
20:16.35merlin1991only hte last 2 attachments are interesting
20:17.00Paliatt: picture3-problems_en - I think problem is not valid
20:17.47Paliin picture are packages which should be in cssu repo
20:17.57merlin1991my thought exactly
20:18.13PaliI think problem when user must wait until HAM finish apt-get update job
20:18.24Pali(not apt-get update, but similar)
20:18.28merlin1991probably
20:19.23merlin1991okay next up is bug #12285
20:19.24povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12285 Modest does not keep emails on server even if option to do so is set
20:20.09DocScrutinizer51wireshark
20:20.33Palino idea, I do not use POP
20:20.43merlin1991I'll investigate then
20:21.44DocScrutinizer51IMAP/POP??
20:21.51PaliI think POP
20:21.58merlin1991DocScrutinizer51: pop
20:22.39merlin1991I'll check the bug, next up is bug #12300
20:22.41povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12300 Clock crashes after choosing Music for Alarm
20:23.41merlin1991invalid neither a package in cssu nor open source so we could look into it
20:23.52PaliI think it is closed
20:24.12DocScrutinizer51MAFW?
20:24.30merlin1991DocScrutinizer51: nah, the alarm clock operates outside mafw
20:24.53merlin1991though is that an INVALID or a WONTFIX?
20:25.17DocScrutinizer51CND
20:25.38merlin1991cnd means?
20:25.44PaliI think that somebody rewritten clock app
20:26.09DocScrutinizer51can not duplicate
20:26.12merlin1991Pali: yes there is a rewrite somewhere on tmo
20:26.49Paliand can be this problem (if exists too) fixed in that rewritten app?
20:27.01merlin1991in the rewritten app for sure
20:27.41merlin1991though what do we do with the bug at hand? move the component to the stock clock and abandon it? keep it? close it as invalid?
20:27.53Palifreemangordon, do you know state of clock app which is rewritten?
20:28.08DocScrutinizer51CND
20:28.35Paliif that open source clone will be part of cssu in future, bug can be marked as in progress/waiting
20:28.37DocScrutinizer51never seen that problem
20:29.04DocScrutinizer51It cdan get marked FUD
20:30.06merlin1991yeah worksforme I guess, can't reproduce it either
20:30.21DocScrutinizer51needinfo. What's the clock version, what's the 'muaic' file?
20:30.43DocScrutinizer51or CND/WFM
20:30.45merlin1991hm that actually makes more sense
20:31.25merlin1991DocScrutinizer51: there is no cnd status for bugs, we can only mark stuff as fixed/invalid/wfm/wontfix/duplicate
20:31.28DocScrutinizer51NB I can't check the tickets here
20:31.54merlin1991will post a comment for more ifno
20:31.58DocScrutinizer51wfm == cnd
20:32.24DocScrutinizer51kinda
20:32.40DocScrutinizer51wfm might mean 'we fixed it'
20:32.45merlin1991btw pali what did we decide about the silly ham 8% check?
20:33.01Paliremove that 8% check - it is stupid
20:33.13DocScrutinizer51indeed
20:33.27merlin1991do we have a commmit on gitorious for that already?
20:33.57freemangordonPali, AFAIK it needs some more work
20:34.12Palimerlin1991, in my git repo: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-hildon-application-manager/commit/4226aeb868a0fa250f92325d6819c62ef9bde6f4
20:34.17Palibut it is UNTESTED
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20:35.13Palifreemangordon, ok
20:35.22arceanhi everyone
20:35.24merlin1991hey
20:35.27Palihi
20:37.01merlin1991okay next bug: #12320
20:37.08merlin1991bug #12320
20:37.09povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12320 Change default value of mov-mode for HildonPannableArea to HILDON_MOVEMENT_MODE_BOTH to allow horizontal scrolling by default
20:37.09merlin1991silly bot
20:38.10Paliconfirmed
20:38.16merlin1991Imo we can't do that because existing applications might depend on the HILDON_MOVEMENT_MODE_VERTICAL default
20:38.39Palisame problem in modest with slovak localization (which has longer strings)
20:38.42merlin1991I mean yes there are billions of apps that should be pannable horizontally but that is app specific
20:38.58DocScrutinizer51yup
20:39.06merlin1991I don't think that should be fixed on the hildon framework level
20:39.07arceanI think it's fixed for hildon details dialog used by pdf viewer or file manager
20:39.37Paliafaik open dialog is open source
20:40.14Palicomapp (or similar name) package
20:40.14DocScrutinizer51we could fix it by setting an ENV
20:40.54Palisee bug 5424
20:40.55povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/5424 Unable to scroll horizontally in File manager's details dialog when the file name is too "long"
20:41.04arceanhttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libhildonfm/commit/acaf5d13a1fd79e1bb5a3c4ebd1f644ab64ed228
20:41.24merlin1991yeah that one is in stable and - testing
20:41.31Palimaybe asking andre if he know exact reason why patch was not upstreamed
20:41.46merlin1991but looking at the bugreport itself
20:41.49DocScrutinizer51HildonVertPannable=true filemanager
20:42.05merlin1991it makes no sense to have pannable areas in general pannable
20:42.23merlin1991there's a reason why the pan only vertically by default
20:43.02DocScrutinizer51that's why you check $ENV for that
20:44.16merlin1991imo bug #12320 is invalid since we don't want to change that on framework level
20:44.17povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12320 Change default value of mov-mode for HildonPannableArea to HILDON_MOVEMENT_MODE_BOTH to allow horizontal scrolling by default
20:44.30merlin1991we fixed the filemanager, but we don't want to possibly break apps
20:45.54DocScrutinizer51merlin1991: we can use getenv()
20:46.17merlin1991what do you want todo with getenv? and at what level?
20:46.42DocScrutinizer51so it will only 'break' apps where you set HildonPanMode=both in the app's environment
20:47.20merlin1991but apps who want the hildonpanmode both should do so in their code
20:47.38DocScrutinizer51*sigh*
20:47.44freemangordonDocScrutinizer51, thats a hack and we have only filemanager ad rss reader as examples in bug report. Filemanager is fixed and RSS reader is OSS AFAIK
20:48.02Paliproblem also in modest
20:48.06DocScrutinizer51:nod:
20:48.06PaliI can post screen
20:48.15DocScrutinizer51nm
20:48.19Pali(modest in slovak lang)
20:48.22DocScrutinizer51afk for 10in
20:48.35freemangordonmodest reflows the text AFAIK
20:48.44merlin1991freemangordon: not in all widgets
20:48.46Palibut it can be fixed in modest
20:49.11freemangordon:nod:, it is not a framework bug
20:49.22merlin1991freemangordon: that was my understanding
20:49.39merlin1991which would render the bug itself invalid but bugs against each app valid
20:49.47freemangordonagree
20:49.48merlin1991Pali: what do you think?
20:50.20Palireport bugs to each app
20:50.27Paliglobal fix not possible
20:50.37DocScrutinizer51this only changes te bug to an enhancement
20:51.14freemangordonDocScrutinizer51, we have no clue which applications will be affected an how
20:51.18DocScrutinizer51of course possible
20:51.43merlin1991freemangordon: doc suggests that we at hildon level check for env
20:52.03merlin1991so you can start single apps with that env in order to 'fix' them
20:52.17freemangordonyeah, I saw, but that is a hack
20:52.24DocScrutinizer51debug=66 acmeapp
20:53.01DocScrutinizer51yeah, unix is a hack
20:53.13DocScrutinizer51and I'm proud of that
20:53.27freemangordonI meant hack as a coding practice
20:53.39Palihttp://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/screenshot-modest.png
20:53.57merlin1991well anyway, the bug in question is invalid, it could be refiled in form of docs suggestion as an enhancement
20:54.09arceanPali, ah I have the same problem with some applets in Settings
20:54.19merlin1991Pali: that's actually true for the german translation also
20:54.24freemangordonPali, but there is a horizontal scrollbar?!?
20:54.33arceanfreemangordon, which is not working
20:54.34Palinot working!
20:54.35merlin1991freemangordon: bar is there but you can't scroll
20:55.07Palialso bug can be fixed by decreasing space between name and value
20:55.47freemangordonok. well, it looks UGLY anyway, maybe someone should play a little with translations
20:55.51Doc_No_ACTA_zerAAAAH! better
20:56.04Palido you know if it is possible to enable scrollbar in app?
20:56.11merlin1991it is
20:56.42merlin1991ah wait you mean enable the scrollbar so you can scroll with it?
20:56.58freemangordonshould be
20:57.05merlin1991that I don't know
20:57.27Paliadding some function for that can be also fix
20:57.46arceanGtkScrolledWindow instead of HildonPannableArea?
20:58.15freemangordongive me a minute to look through the proposed patch
20:58.38merlin1991in the meantime bug #12445
20:58.39povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12445 hildon-status-menu displays only 2 icons in portrait
20:58.57merlin1991arcean: we do have the patched hildon-status-menu in testing already?
20:59.05arceanyes
20:59.12arceanfixed in the latest release
20:59.23freemangordonwell, the patch is for hildonfm, forget about it
20:59.51merlin1991hm some ideas to get a few icons?
20:59.56merlin1991wants to check on -stable
21:00.19freemangordonPali,"g_object_set(priv->scroll, "mov-mode", HILDON_MOVEMENT_MODE_BOTH, NULL);". That is how scrollbar is enabled on application level
21:00.31Doc_No_ACTA_zer12445 sounds like a statement, not like a bug
21:01.03merlin199112445 is actually fixed in testing
21:01.12freemangordonyep
21:01.23Doc_No_ACTA_zerso, please don't bring that to us ;-D
21:01.29Doc_No_ACTA_zernext
21:01.31Palifreemangordon, api is here: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/HildonPannableArea.html
21:02.03merlin1991next up, bug #12454
21:02.04povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12454 utilities infocmp, tic, tput etc not installed though busybox provides ncurses-bin
21:02.04PaliI think we can add some public HildonPannableArea function which call that g_object_set on priv
21:02.06freemangordonso it is up to app developer to change movement mode
21:02.30Doc_No_ACTA_zerCBA to think about messybox ;-P
21:03.10freemangordonPali, that code is from here https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1420
21:03.37Doc_No_ACTA_zer12454 comment: "closing as INVALID, it's messybox, not CSSU"
21:04.06Palifreemangordon, ok - so this code can be added to modest (and maybe other buggy applications)
21:04.14freemangordonyep
21:04.28Doc_No_ACTA_zerWTF CSSU isn't responsible to provide a convenient set of app install presets for user
21:05.13Doc_No_ACTA_zerterse: "tic, tput etc not installed" SO WHAT? install it! KTNXBY
21:05.22merlin1991DocScrutinizer51: read other comments
21:05.29merlin1991the bugreport is badly worded
21:05.50merlin1991fu you tabcompletion meant to write Doc_No_ACTA_zer
21:06.01merlin1991The infocmp command is in the ncurses-bin package. On the N900, this package is
21:06.01merlin1991not installed, but the busybox package declares that it provides ncurses-bin
21:06.17Doc_No_ACTA_zerso what?
21:06.26Doc_No_ACTA_zerare we responsible for messybox?
21:06.33Doc_No_ACTA_zeroooh we are
21:06.35Doc_No_ACTA_zer:-S
21:06.39Doc_No_ACTA_zerit's MP
21:06.55Doc_No_ACTA_zerisn't it?
21:07.36Doc_No_ACTA_zershudders about messybox
21:07.38merlin1991well we are not directly responsible for messybox, but we could get the messybox from stock and remove the *provides ncurses-bin* from it's control file
21:08.05merlin1991basically providing the same messybox that doesn't claim anymore that it's awesome
21:08.14freemangordonagree
21:08.14Doc_No_ACTA_zeropens a bug against CSSU: "replace messybox by a decent fully usable shell"
21:08.39Palior upgrade messybox :D
21:08.45freemangordonDoc_No_ACTA_zer, that is enhancement request :p
21:08.48Doc_No_ACTA_zerWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!
21:08.56Doc_No_ACTA_zerfreemangordon: indeed
21:09.09Doc_No_ACTA_zerthough, arguably messybox is one huge fat bug
21:09.10merlin1991though it's not that easy
21:09.27merlin1991messybox provides 50% if what ususally should be in ncurses-bin
21:09.44merlin1991I think the best thing here would be not to invest time and instead to point towards busybox-power
21:09.56freemangordonis it stable?
21:10.01Doc_No_ACTA_zers/in ncurses-bin/in a decent shell/
21:10.02merlin1991which has upgraded messybox and stuff
21:10.17merlin1991freemangordon: I use it on  all my devices and never ran into a problem
21:10.45Doc_No_ACTA_zerI use bash3 and never ran into any problem
21:10.49Doc_No_ACTA_zer;-P
21:10.56Palibusybox-power replace /bin/busybox?
21:11.30Doc_No_ACTA_zerand I **HATE** this reverse polish notation
21:12.19Doc_No_ACTA_zercookie-sweet, beer-cold, Flop-idiotic, kernel-power
21:12.26Palibusybox shell has big problem with utf8 input chars
21:12.44merlin1991Pali: it does replace /bin/busybox
21:12.59merlin1991I'd rather not reproduce what busybox power does, so closing as wontfix ?
21:13.31Doc_No_ACTA_zerI dman get scared when somebody tells me about messybox power, the secret power of messybox
21:13.36freemangordonmerlin1991, wouldn't it be better to confirm it and assign low priority?
21:13.55merlin1991or that
21:14.14Doc_No_ACTA_zerI'm not sure if I get scared about that secret dark power, or the guy that tells me about it ;-P
21:14.22freemangordonas maybe there will be a way to change control file in such a way there will be no more conflick
21:14.43merlin1991okay will do that
21:14.46Paliclone to gitorious and change control file
21:15.14Doc_No_ACTA_zerkernel-power sounds like kernkraft whic means nuclear power in German
21:15.20merlin1991Pali: the problem is it does provide a part the nurses commands
21:15.23merlin1991like reset
21:15.36Paliah
21:15.55freemangordonsomething wit alternatives?
21:16.04Paliso proper fix will be to upgrade busybox
21:16.10merlin1991yep
21:16.27Paliconfirmed and low priority
21:16.28merlin1991proper fix would be to enable everything in ncurses in messybox and ship it that way
21:16.37merlin1991k confimred and low prio
21:16.39merlin1991next up is bug #12474
21:16.40povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12474 With Desktop locked to landscape and phone to portrait, phone launches in landscape mode
21:17.20Palireally bug?
21:17.25Doc_No_ACTA_zerkernel-power, DMAN. Shoot the guy who thought that name was better than e.g. kernel+ or kernel-improved or powerkernel
21:17.35freemangordonwell, I think we should agree on WTF lock means once and fo all. And bahave accordingly.
21:18.40merlin1991I think against the current implementation the bug is invalid
21:18.50PaliI think that if system (hildon) is set to landscape only, then every app will be landscape
21:19.21Doc_No_ACTA_zerI think that the bug is against the rationale behind current implementation
21:20.04freemangordonbut current implementation seems logical to me
21:20.07merlin1991I think any bugs agains the orientation lock are invalid since the lock iself is a clusterfuck
21:20.38Doc_No_ACTA_zerand I think there ought to be a requirement spec that clearly defines what orientation lock means and how it's supposed to work
21:20.54Doc_No_ACTA_zermerlin1991: ++
21:21.17merlin1991proposes to leave that bug and any other lock related bugs alone untill we havae a clearly defined spec what we want todo with a lock
21:21.30Doc_No_ACTA_zerYES!
21:21.34freemangordon:nod:
21:21.34Paliok
21:21.57merlin1991next up: bug #12475
21:21.58povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12475 Oversized Phone UI  - Incoming Call (Portuguese language)
21:22.14Paliwontfix - phone ui is closed
21:22.29Doc_No_ACTA_zerreassign to txl8n
21:22.48merlin1991ah wait, it's actually about the lock again
21:23.00merlin1991it's the issue you get when the landscape lock is on
21:23.07Doc_No_ACTA_zerMEH, next
21:23.12freemangordonyeah
21:23.14merlin1991next: bug #12478
21:23.28merlin1991povbot sleeping?
21:23.32povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12478 SIP support broken after installation of CSSU (rtcom-accounts-voip-support removed?)
21:23.33povbotmerlin1991: Error: "sleeping?" is not a valid command.
21:23.41Doc_No_ACTA_zer;-P
21:24.02merlin1991confirm and die in hell I guess
21:24.12Doc_No_ACTA_zerindeed
21:24.27Doc_No_ACTA_zerwe had the topic err yesterday?
21:24.42Doc_No_ACTA_zerneed a apt guru
21:24.46merlin1991I mean we can depend on rtcom-accounts-voip-support in the metapacke in order to have ham keep it installed
21:24.57merlin1991which is a valid workaround
21:24.59Doc_No_ACTA_zerall for that
21:25.15merlin1991and since that package is such a widespread missing piece I'd actually suggest doing that
21:25.23Doc_No_ACTA_zeryes
21:25.25freemangordondoes mp-fremantle-pr depend on it?
21:25.35merlin1991yes
21:25.36Doc_No_ACTA_zerthat'S the question XD
21:25.57Doc_No_ACTA_zermaybe it does in PR1.3 and beyond
21:26.11Doc_No_ACTA_zerbut not in MP PR1.2
21:26.26merlin1991hm actually it doesn't
21:26.35Palican you check if all packages which mp-fremantle-pr depend on is in CSSU metapackage?
21:26.37Doc_No_ACTA_zerso the friggin rtcom-sip gets auto-removed when you upgraded instead of flashed
21:26.47Doc_No_ACTA_zeror vice versa
21:26.54merlin1991Pali: we don't depend on all
21:26.58merlin1991we only depend on our pacakges
21:27.12Paliok
21:27.14freemangordonmerlin1991, but maybe we should
21:27.16merlin1991because the installer marks all mp packages as manually installed
21:27.36Doc_No_ACTA_zerand suggests autoremove on each and every install you do
21:27.46Doc_No_ACTA_zer(apt-get that is)
21:28.12merlin1991we'll just depend on it
21:28.14PaliHAM is not using apt-get
21:28.22Doc_No_ACTA_zerbut sth similar
21:28.33Palistupid apt-worker
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21:28.50merlin1991anyway next bug #12494
21:28.51povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12494 Modest crashes couple of times a day due to internal application error
21:29.03Doc_No_ACTA_zerMEH, obsolete
21:29.04Palineedsinfo
21:29.17merlin1991that is prior the thumb fix, I'd just mark it as fixed
21:29.28Doc_No_ACTA_zeryep
21:29.42Doc_No_ACTA_zernote: "reopen if problem persists"
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21:30.02merlin1991yeah
21:30.17Doc_No_ACTA_zernote: "fixed in verX.Y reopen if problem persists"
21:30.22merlin1991next up bug #12500
21:30.23povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12500 Some SD cards are not properly supported
21:30.35Doc_No_ACTA_zerkernel
21:30.37Doc_No_ACTA_zernext
21:30.39freemangordonyeah
21:30.49freemangordonbut the bug is valid
21:31.01Doc_No_ACTA_zerreassign kernel
21:31.20merlin1991I guess we jsut leave it untill we have a kernel in cssu
21:31.27freemangordonagree
21:31.30merlin1991which probably will never happen
21:31.36freemangordonwhy?
21:31.43Doc_No_ACTA_zeror until my cows play bowling
21:32.00freemangordonmerlin1991, why do you think it will never happen?
21:32.01Doc_No_ACTA_zerreasasign kernel, next
21:32.08merlin1991freemangordon: because we have to find a sane way to make sure we're not replacing any user flashed kernel
21:32.30freemangordonand that is a showstopper?
21:32.35Doc_No_ACTA_zeryes
21:32.41merlin1991next bug #12516
21:32.43povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12516 Error Message camera-ui: "Not enough memory to save photo"
21:32.46Doc_No_ACTA_zeron a conceptual level
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21:33.01PaliI can create tool in postinst or wrapper around fiasco-* to show message box about flashing yes/no question
21:33.22Doc_No_ACTA_zerno way
21:33.55freemangordonwhich could be shown only if current kernel != omap1
21:33.56merlin1991can we read the flash where the kernel is from userspace?
21:33.58Doc_No_ACTA_zerI wanna kick out nicocam, so don't hope for me cheering about getting *kernel* into CSSU
21:34.29Doc_No_ACTA_zermerlin1991: sure
21:34.35Doc_No_ACTA_zerbut hey!
21:34.46freemangordonDoc_No_ACTA_zer, there are several bugs in omap1, what is the problem with better kernel?
21:34.46merlin1991then we could md5sum over the flashed kernel and compare to stock kernel singatures
21:35.02Palifreemangordon: wrapping fiasco-* will show message for all kernels
21:35.11Doc_No_ACTA_zerCSSU is supposed to work with stock kernel, so no way you convince me CSSU *needs* powerkernel
21:35.17freemangordonuname?
21:35.53freemangordonCSUU is supposed to not depend on kernel AIUI.
21:36.01Doc_No_ACTA_zer12516 I thought is fixed?
21:36.06merlin1991guys all nice and shiny, but please another time (I can arrange a date for all the topics we have to discuss)
21:36.12Doc_No_ACTA_zeralso not applicable to S?
21:36.26merlin1991not applicable to S doesn't cound :D
21:36.28freemangordonmerlin1991, let me check on gitorious
21:36.56merlin1991original reporter didn't respond anymore
21:37.05merlin1991and the bug that was in camera-ui got fixed
21:37.07merlin1991so fixed?
21:37.11freemangordonbut I think it is still not fixed
21:37.24arceanI'm not sure too
21:37.27Doc_No_ACTA_zerso danm fix it!
21:37.42merlin1991the problem is that if you have a /scratchbox dir $INTERNAL_MMC_MOUNTPOINT is not set
21:37.47Doc_No_ACTA_zerthe fix is around since... weeks? moths?
21:37.49freemangordonit was some ENV variable missing
21:38.07merlin1991a /scratchbox dir has an influence on some bootup script
21:38.18freemangordonmerlin1991, is it a valid bug then?
21:38.21merlin1991in a way
21:38.40merlin1991having a /scratchbox dir is the prefered way to check for scratchbox env in scratchbox
21:39.06freemangordonbecause if you dont have that set, where nikocam is supposed to save the photos?
21:39.20merlin1991I guess we can fix that
21:39.30freemangordonok, confirm it then
21:39.35merlin1991I'll have to find out in which package the script in question resides
21:39.37merlin1991k confirm
21:39.48Palibetter is checking /targets/links/scratchbox.config
21:40.03Paliit is also in postinst script in kernel package
21:40.27merlin1991okay so we have a bug against af-defines.sh
21:40.40freemangordonopen it
21:40.52Doc_No_ACTA_zer*sigh* could we agree on assigning bugs to a developer that looks into them, rather than discussing each gory detail here at triage time?
21:40.58Doc_No_ACTA_zerplease!
21:41.02merlin1991:D
21:41.18merlin1991next up bug #12526
21:41.20povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12526 Desktop icons management for Landscape to Portrait transition
21:41.51Doc_No_ACTA_zer*burp*
21:41.57freemangordonINVALID
21:42.25freemangordonor maybe WONTFIX
21:42.32merlin1991I'd say wontfix
21:42.54merlin1991the bug itself is valid, but we'll never have an algorithm that can sort everything properly
21:42.56Doc_No_ACTA_zerCBA to open a browser to look into the ticket ;-)
21:43.10freemangordonyeah, making a complex algorithm for one-time usage does not make sense
21:43.24merlin1991wontfix
21:43.26Doc_No_ACTA_zeralso next to impossible
21:43.42merlin1991next bug #12547
21:43.44povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12547 Changing sim reverts to Nokia's AGPS settings
21:44.06Doc_No_ACTA_zerDUH!
21:44.17merlin1991wontfix rtcom closed
21:44.22Doc_No_ACTA_zerack
21:45.13Doc_No_ACTA_zercomment: "suggest a devel who's bored to write a mini-app to set the AGPS setting on click of an icon"
21:45.24merlin1991next bug #12571
21:45.26povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12571 Unable to move zoom while on hildon-desktop
21:45.43merlin1991related to bug #12031
21:45.44povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12031 Zoom out (ctrl-shift-f) goes one step too far
21:45.52merlin1991freemangordon: did you look into it already?
21:46.15Doc_No_ACTA_zerwasn't zoom meant to die?
21:46.18merlin1991yes
21:46.22freemangordonmerlin1991, no, will try do do it tomorrow
21:46.26Doc_No_ACTA_zerso WONTFIX
21:46.47Doc_No_ACTA_zercomment "will fix itself when zoom dies"
21:47.17Doc_No_ACTA_zernext
21:47.29merlin1991bug #12576
21:47.30povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12576 hildon-desktop crashed after failed SDL png load
21:47.42Doc_No_ACTA_zer[notice: 12min left]
21:47.50merlin1991arcean: can you look into that one? I have nfc where to start with that one
21:48.12arceanmerlin1991, ok will do
21:48.16merlin1991perfect
21:48.20Paliwhen Stratagus (SDL app) crash also hildon-desktop segfault
21:48.22Doc_No_ACTA_zer:-D
21:48.45Doc_No_ACTA_zernext
21:49.04merlin1991bug #12514 and bug  #12515
21:49.06povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12514 Calculator program, percentage operations
21:49.07povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12515 Calculator: Power function does not work if exponent is not an integer
21:49.12Doc_No_ACTA_zerWOW
21:49.24Doc_No_ACTA_zerpovbot: cookie
21:49.24povbotDoc_No_ACTA_zer: Error: "cookie" is not a valid command.
21:49.41freemangordonPali, isn't that fixed on gitorious?
21:49.46Paliboth are commited on gitorious
21:49.49Palisee links
21:49.53freemangordonok
21:49.55Doc_No_ACTA_zerCBA to bother about calculator
21:50.10Doc_No_ACTA_zeranyway, sounds like FIXED
21:50.26freemangordonwell , will be fixed in next
21:50.42Doc_No_ACTA_zerthat's NOKIA flavour of FIXED XP
21:51.02merlin1991k nokia fixed
21:51.27Doc_No_ACTA_zerAIUI original poster shall CLOSE ticket when FIX arrives
21:52.05Doc_No_ACTA_zer8 min
21:52.16Doc_No_ACTA_zerwhen's next meeting?
21:52.26merlin1991next week same day same time?
21:52.30Doc_No_ACTA_zersure
21:52.33Paliok
21:52.35freemangordonok
21:52.37merlin1991arcean: ?
21:52.38arceanok
21:52.40merlin1991okay
21:52.57Doc_No_ACTA_zerso 7min left, let's close another 20 critters
21:52.58merlin199116 bugs this time :)
21:53.06merlin1991okay we'll go on then :)
21:53.13freemangordonwe have time for one more
21:53.33merlin1991next #11826
21:53.38merlin1991bug # 11826
21:53.39merlin1991:D
21:53.40povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/11826 hildon-application-manager random crashes
21:53.53Doc_No_ACTA_zerMEH, KTHNX
21:54.02Doc_No_ACTA_zernext
21:54.27Palineedsinfo
21:54.27Doc_No_ACTA_zerset to NEEDINFO if you deel like
21:54.36Doc_No_ACTA_zernext
21:54.51merlin1991okay we reached the already confirmed bugs now
21:55.13merlin1991bug #11842
21:55.15povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/11842 RDesktop halt on connection screen
21:55.22freemangordonmy favourite
21:55.34freemangordonnot fixed
21:55.50merlin1991did it work on stock?
21:55.51Doc_No_ACTA_zer*cough* what?
21:56.01freemangordonmerlin1991, yes
21:56.38Doc_No_ACTA_zerEEEW
21:56.50Doc_No_ACTA_zernow THAT is the first good bug today
21:57.25Doc_No_ACTA_zerblame MHD?
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21:58.38merlin1991I wonder why it does halt
21:58.53Doc_No_ACTA_zerI'd assign it to MHD maintainer/devel
21:58.54freemangordonit does not halt, you just can't see it
21:59.08merlin1991I remember using RDesktop on cssu and it did work, it only had an insane wait period before it showed up
21:59.29freemangordonmerlin1991, see my comments on the bug report
21:59.39freemangordonIvaylo Dimitrov
21:59.50Doc_No_ACTA_zerhmm, anyway, I'm adding a throttle to my zombie state right now
22:00.08merlin1991hm
22:00.36merlin1991k let's say we're done for today
22:00.41merlin1991Pali: about bug #12444
22:00.42povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12444 osso-pdf-viewer: need to translate new string
22:01.04merlin1991could you re the pdf-viewer translations? I don't think we're going to get them from nokia, no response since last year
22:01.25Doc_No_ACTA_zerso 17.5 this time ;-)
22:01.33PaliI do not know how to RE l10n packages
22:01.48freemangordonPali, it is very easy
22:01.49merlin1991hm who was it that did re the camera-ui packages then?
22:01.53freemangordonme
22:02.02merlin1991ooops :$
22:02.10merlin1991well in that case freemangordon can you do it then?
22:02.44Palialso tvout-l10n should be usefull
22:02.58PaliI added new strings in control panel
22:03.27freemangordonok, but won't happen soon, I am fixing last glitches in tasknav, after that have to remove zoom
22:03.38freemangordonfrom h-d
22:03.38merlin1991okay
22:03.57Paliok
22:03.58freemangordonmerlin1991, did you look at garage management system?
22:04.20merlin1991didn't find the time, will do that this weekend
22:04.25freemangordonas we need to keep assigments in one place
22:04.28freemangordonok
22:04.50merlin1991yeah some publicly? readable assignment list should be helpfull
22:05.14freemangordonand will be easier for us not so young :D
22:05.21merlin1991:D
22:05.37merlin1991arcean: whatabout the mg for the hildon-home with wallpaper support for up to 9 images?
22:06.18Doc_No_ACTA_zeranybody tested 1.3.0 of marble?
22:06.27freemangordonI think he still wait my MRs
22:07.01merlin19911.3.0 of marble? wtf?
22:07.45PaliI see on my n900, that fmtxd and n900-fmrx-enabler is still running and I cannot kill processes (they are spawned again). it is OK?
22:08.07freemangordonPali, lets move to #maemo
22:08.35Doc_No_ACTA_zerBY THE WAY
22:08.41Doc_No_ACTA_zer:-/
22:09.14merlin1991Doc_No_ACTA_zer: what are you on about?
22:09.46Doc_No_ACTA_zerI recently see strange segfaults in a number of apps (namely Fahrplan and Marble), always some seconds after they tried to download stuff via 2/3G
22:10.07Doc_No_ACTA_zerand suddenly I recall my yesterday's comment about guinea pig
22:10.41Doc_No_ACTA_zeractually it seems related to GPS and missing internet connectivity
22:11.21merlin1991you are guinea pig for an updated osso-wlan which is related to the way maemo checks for avaiable wireless connections
22:11.34Doc_No_ACTA_zerhmm
22:11.38merlin1991completely independend of 2/3G
22:12.04Doc_No_ACTA_zermight that occur the same moment 3G doesn't provide proper connectivity and an app tries to "talk"
22:12.05Doc_No_ACTA_zer?
22:12.20merlin1991hm
22:12.46merlin1991well you can always revert the binary and see if you get rid of your segfaults
22:13.18merlin1991it's /usr/bin/wlancond
22:13.31merlin1991but you have to know yourself where you placed the backup ;)
22:13.44Doc_No_ACTA_zerluckily Fahrplan blow-chunks is kinda reproducible
22:14.07Doc_No_ACTA_zeryou bet it's  /usr/bin/wlancond_orig
22:14.39merlin1991ah sry /usr/sbin/wlancond
22:14.43merlin1991had a typo there
22:15.05Doc_No_ACTA_zermompls, only need to switch windows ;-)
22:16.08Doc_No_ACTA_zerMEH, wlancond.bak
22:16.15Doc_No_ACTA_zer;)
22:17.23Doc_No_ACTA_zerthe strange thing is the 'huge' delay between last user interaction and actual *plop* of window
22:17.41Doc_No_ACTA_zersometimes up to 20s
22:17.58Doc_No_ACTA_zerusually some 5
22:18.13merlin1991odd
22:18.46merlin1991I don't think though that it's wlanconds fault
22:18.58Doc_No_ACTA_zerin fahrplan we had the notorious limited lifetime (close after 120s)
22:19.09Doc_No_ACTA_zerbut it got fixed some years ago
22:19.36merlin1991I think a reboot is the safest way to get the 'new' wlancond in place
22:19.55Doc_No_ACTA_zerno it closes whenever I search for a bus station and no internet available
22:20.14Doc_No_ACTA_zeractually marbel *plop*ed exactly on same task, same way
22:20.24merlin1991what is marbel actually?
22:20.29Doc_No_ACTA_zermarble
22:20.45Doc_No_ACTA_zermappero competitor
22:21.03merlin1991how can I try to reproduce your problem?
22:21.06Doc_No_ACTA_zerwith on board routing
22:21.38merlin1991(in marble)
22:22.13Doc_No_ACTA_zerinstall fahrplan, enter some BS to start or end point of travel, while you're not connected to 3G (rather I always been connected but had no signal)
22:22.28Doc_No_ACTA_zerOOH, nah
22:22.30Doc_No_ACTA_zerbetter
22:22.50Doc_No_ACTA_zersimply click "GPS" when on the start addr requester
22:23.07Doc_No_ACTA_zerthat's what killed it every time for me
22:23.32merlin1991okay going to try on stock, testing and stable (with modified wlancond)
22:24.08Doc_No_ACTA_zernot this time though, well I'm on WLAN
22:24.29Doc_No_ACTA_zerand it properly offered the next 20 bus stations after a short "thinking"
22:25.40Doc_No_ACTA_zermore often than not it returns to the text input for street name without popping up any selection list for suggested bus stops, and 5s later BOOM
22:25.43merlin1991stable with modfied wlancond works fine on wlan, asks for connection without wlan
22:26.24Doc_No_ACTA_zermine never asks for connection, as it's allowed to connect to everything every time
22:27.15merlin1991can't let it do that here since ap needs power-saving none
22:27.19merlin1991which is a nogo for autoconnects :D
22:27.29merlin19913 hrs later the battery is flat :/
22:28.59Doc_No_ACTA_zerI dropped WLAN and re-did the GPS thing in Fahrplan. This time it acted like usual first, in that it's simply frozen for 5s. After that time I guess 3G kicked in and it worked like a charm
22:29.35Doc_No_ACTA_zerif however 3G wouldn't offer connectivity, I guess Fahrplan stays frozen and eventually gets killed by whomever
22:29.53Doc_No_ACTA_zerprolly some dbus timeout
22:30.25Doc_No_ACTA_zerso odds are this is not related to wlancond
22:30.44Doc_No_ACTA_zerrather to liblocation or general network access
22:32.06Doc_No_ACTA_zeridly wonders where's the next elevator, similarly RF-tight like the one in office, to get 3G drop connectivity
22:32.28Doc_No_ACTA_zerYAY, my battery
22:32.41Doc_No_ACTA_zer15h and already needs recharge
22:32.52Doc_No_ACTA_zerGPS is a power hog
22:33.56Doc_No_ACTA_zerxchat ith missing connectivity as well
22:34.15Doc_No_ACTA_zer(retries connect every 10s)
22:34.16merlin1991Doc_No_ACTA_zer: just crashed it with wlan after clicking gps
22:34.25Doc_No_ACTA_zer:nod:
22:34.37Doc_No_ACTA_zergood to hear it's not just me
22:35.33Doc_No_ACTA_zerI think it might be related to GPS allegedly "available" while it still has "poor accuracy fix" at best
22:36.12merlin1991though I can't get the 2 other n900s to get a fix since they don't have a sim inserted
22:36.28merlin1991starts swapping sims
22:37.31Doc_No_ACTA_zerHAHA, bug #18.5 killed, with a rolled up newspaper, on the wall XP
22:37.33povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/18 No initrd file supplied
22:38.27Doc_No_ACTA_zeryay, those were the times
22:38.37merlin1991:D
22:39.28merlin1991okay booting stock maemo with sim
22:39.32Doc_No_ACTA_zernext session we should achieve to get 24 bugs done in 120 min
22:39.34merlin1991let's see if I can reproduce
22:39.45merlin1991probably possible
22:39.53merlin1991because we'll do next, next, next next,
22:39.59merlin1991on most of them in the list
22:40.47merlin1991interesting are only the last few
22:40.56merlin1991from andre
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22:46.30merlin1991fucking mynokia bullcrap
22:48.08merlin1991Doc_No_ACTA_zer: couldn't reproduce your gps bug on stock in a few tries, though I'm still not convinced it's wlanconds fault, we'll see if you still get it with the reverted deamon
22:48.19merlin1991hi
22:48.35merlin1991wrong window :D
22:54.24merlin1991MohammadAG: ping?
22:57.38Doc_No_ACTA_zermerlin1991: I'm rather sure it's not wlancond
22:58.07Doc_No_ACTA_zer[2012-02-22 23:35:33] <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> I think it might be related to GPS allegedly "available" while it still has "poor accuracy fix" at best
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