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17:10.08 | Pali | hi, when is next bugmeeting? |
17:20.46 | merlin1991 | Pali: topic tells ya :D |
17:21.03 | merlin1991 | or not |
17:21.17 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: why is the meeting not in the topic anymore |
17:22.22 | merlin1991 | anyway it's @ 20:UTC |
17:22.37 | Pali | ok |
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17:23.02 | *** topic/#maemo-ssu by merlin1991 -> Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1 | STABLE: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1129261 \o/ | bugmeeting today 20:00 UTC |
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18:50.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: maybe I nuked it |
18:50.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | not planned to do |
18:51.22 | freemangordon | merlin1991, I am ill, most probably won't be able to participate :( |
18:59.04 | merlin1991 | :/ |
19:01.59 | DocScrutinizer | I'm dead, so will be there in zombie state ;-) |
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19:45.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | out for dinner, yet online |
19:59.57 | merlin1991 | searches for the other 2 n900s |
20:01.02 | merlin1991 | okay who's around? |
20:01.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | semi |
20:01.35 | merlin1991 | Pali, freemangordon, MohammadAG, DocScrutinizer51 ping |
20:01.45 | Pali | pong |
20:01.50 | Pali | I'm here |
20:03.36 | merlin1991 | I've sent mag an sms, so we'll start in ~5 mins |
20:04.39 | MohammadAG | merlin1991: You did? |
20:04.45 | merlin1991 | I did |
20:05.03 | merlin1991 | don't tell me you've got wrong sims and stuff again |
20:06.56 | merlin1991 | okay, first bug for today is bug #12248 |
20:06.59 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12248 camera always turns flash light on, even if set off |
20:07.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | cnd |
20:08.18 | Pali | is that problem in old closed nokia camera-ui or new cssu version? |
20:08.47 | merlin1991 | it's valid for new cssu version |
20:09.08 | merlin1991 | though I don't know if it's simply needed for the autofocus |
20:09.22 | merlin1991 | stock camera-ui behaves the same |
20:09.26 | merlin1991 | I guess it's focus related |
20:09.59 | merlin1991 | ah wait the device I tested it on was stable, so I can only say for stock ui |
20:10.07 | merlin1991 | someone with -testing please test |
20:10.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's only for fist shot, and on both cams |
20:10.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | first |
20:10.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | known |
20:11.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | since....... |
20:11.15 | merlin1991 | is that actually a bug or invalid? |
20:11.41 | merlin1991 | since it seems to stop the light when the autofocus is finished |
20:11.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | valid, though incorrexctly stated |
20:12.07 | merlin1991 | can we do something about it? |
20:12.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | dunno |
20:12.25 | merlin1991 | in other words is the underlying stuff nokia closed or oss? |
20:12.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | prolly not |
20:13.12 | merlin1991 | Pali: any idea? |
20:13.17 | Pali | no idea |
20:13.23 | Pali | I do not know camera code |
20:13.32 | merlin1991 | so I'll ask nicolai, k |
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20:14.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | comment: "known issue for stock cam, for fist shot only. WONTFIX" |
20:14.56 | merlin1991 | well if we can fix it I wouldn't mark it wontfix |
20:15.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | or rather PRIO?lowest |
20:15.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | yup |
20:16.07 | merlin1991 | next in the list is bug #12251 |
20:16.09 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12251 Upgrades only manually in X Terminal with apt-get code. |
20:16.25 | merlin1991 | that one quite possibly is due to a fucked up system |
20:16.35 | merlin1991 | only hte last 2 attachments are interesting |
20:17.00 | Pali | att: picture3-problems_en - I think problem is not valid |
20:17.47 | Pali | in picture are packages which should be in cssu repo |
20:17.57 | merlin1991 | my thought exactly |
20:18.13 | Pali | I think problem when user must wait until HAM finish apt-get update job |
20:18.24 | Pali | (not apt-get update, but similar) |
20:18.28 | merlin1991 | probably |
20:19.23 | merlin1991 | okay next up is bug #12285 |
20:19.24 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12285 Modest does not keep emails on server even if option to do so is set |
20:20.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | wireshark |
20:20.33 | Pali | no idea, I do not use POP |
20:20.43 | merlin1991 | I'll investigate then |
20:21.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | IMAP/POP?? |
20:21.51 | Pali | I think POP |
20:21.58 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: pop |
20:22.39 | merlin1991 | I'll check the bug, next up is bug #12300 |
20:22.41 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12300 Clock crashes after choosing Music for Alarm |
20:23.41 | merlin1991 | invalid neither a package in cssu nor open source so we could look into it |
20:23.52 | Pali | I think it is closed |
20:24.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | MAFW? |
20:24.30 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: nah, the alarm clock operates outside mafw |
20:24.53 | merlin1991 | though is that an INVALID or a WONTFIX? |
20:25.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | CND |
20:25.38 | merlin1991 | cnd means? |
20:25.44 | Pali | I think that somebody rewritten clock app |
20:26.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | can not duplicate |
20:26.12 | merlin1991 | Pali: yes there is a rewrite somewhere on tmo |
20:26.49 | Pali | and can be this problem (if exists too) fixed in that rewritten app? |
20:27.01 | merlin1991 | in the rewritten app for sure |
20:27.41 | merlin1991 | though what do we do with the bug at hand? move the component to the stock clock and abandon it? keep it? close it as invalid? |
20:27.53 | Pali | freemangordon, do you know state of clock app which is rewritten? |
20:28.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | CND |
20:28.35 | Pali | if that open source clone will be part of cssu in future, bug can be marked as in progress/waiting |
20:28.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | never seen that problem |
20:29.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | It cdan get marked FUD |
20:30.06 | merlin1991 | yeah worksforme I guess, can't reproduce it either |
20:30.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | needinfo. What's the clock version, what's the 'muaic' file? |
20:30.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | or CND/WFM |
20:30.45 | merlin1991 | hm that actually makes more sense |
20:31.25 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: there is no cnd status for bugs, we can only mark stuff as fixed/invalid/wfm/wontfix/duplicate |
20:31.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | NB I can't check the tickets here |
20:31.54 | merlin1991 | will post a comment for more ifno |
20:31.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | wfm == cnd |
20:32.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | kinda |
20:32.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | wfm might mean 'we fixed it' |
20:32.45 | merlin1991 | btw pali what did we decide about the silly ham 8% check? |
20:33.01 | Pali | remove that 8% check - it is stupid |
20:33.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | indeed |
20:33.27 | merlin1991 | do we have a commmit on gitorious for that already? |
20:33.57 | freemangordon | Pali, AFAIK it needs some more work |
20:34.12 | Pali | merlin1991, in my git repo: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-hildon-application-manager/commit/4226aeb868a0fa250f92325d6819c62ef9bde6f4 |
20:34.17 | Pali | but it is UNTESTED |
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20:35.13 | Pali | freemangordon, ok |
20:35.22 | arcean | hi everyone |
20:35.24 | merlin1991 | hey |
20:35.27 | Pali | hi |
20:37.01 | merlin1991 | okay next bug: #12320 |
20:37.08 | merlin1991 | bug #12320 |
20:37.09 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12320 Change default value of mov-mode for HildonPannableArea to HILDON_MOVEMENT_MODE_BOTH to allow horizontal scrolling by default |
20:37.09 | merlin1991 | silly bot |
20:38.10 | Pali | confirmed |
20:38.16 | merlin1991 | Imo we can't do that because existing applications might depend on the HILDON_MOVEMENT_MODE_VERTICAL default |
20:38.39 | Pali | same problem in modest with slovak localization (which has longer strings) |
20:38.42 | merlin1991 | I mean yes there are billions of apps that should be pannable horizontally but that is app specific |
20:38.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | yup |
20:39.06 | merlin1991 | I don't think that should be fixed on the hildon framework level |
20:39.07 | arcean | I think it's fixed for hildon details dialog used by pdf viewer or file manager |
20:39.37 | Pali | afaik open dialog is open source |
20:40.14 | Pali | comapp (or similar name) package |
20:40.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | we could fix it by setting an ENV |
20:40.54 | Pali | see bug 5424 |
20:40.55 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/5424 Unable to scroll horizontally in File manager's details dialog when the file name is too "long" |
20:41.04 | arcean | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libhildonfm/commit/acaf5d13a1fd79e1bb5a3c4ebd1f644ab64ed228 |
20:41.24 | merlin1991 | yeah that one is in stable and - testing |
20:41.31 | Pali | maybe asking andre if he know exact reason why patch was not upstreamed |
20:41.46 | merlin1991 | but looking at the bugreport itself |
20:41.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | HildonVertPannable=true filemanager |
20:42.05 | merlin1991 | it makes no sense to have pannable areas in general pannable |
20:42.23 | merlin1991 | there's a reason why the pan only vertically by default |
20:43.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's why you check $ENV for that |
20:44.16 | merlin1991 | imo bug #12320 is invalid since we don't want to change that on framework level |
20:44.17 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12320 Change default value of mov-mode for HildonPannableArea to HILDON_MOVEMENT_MODE_BOTH to allow horizontal scrolling by default |
20:44.30 | merlin1991 | we fixed the filemanager, but we don't want to possibly break apps |
20:45.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: we can use getenv() |
20:46.17 | merlin1991 | what do you want todo with getenv? and at what level? |
20:46.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | so it will only 'break' apps where you set HildonPanMode=both in the app's environment |
20:47.20 | merlin1991 | but apps who want the hildonpanmode both should do so in their code |
20:47.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | *sigh* |
20:47.44 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, thats a hack and we have only filemanager ad rss reader as examples in bug report. Filemanager is fixed and RSS reader is OSS AFAIK |
20:48.02 | Pali | problem also in modest |
20:48.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: |
20:48.06 | Pali | I can post screen |
20:48.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | nm |
20:48.19 | Pali | (modest in slovak lang) |
20:48.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | afk for 10in |
20:48.35 | freemangordon | modest reflows the text AFAIK |
20:48.44 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: not in all widgets |
20:48.46 | Pali | but it can be fixed in modest |
20:49.11 | freemangordon | :nod:, it is not a framework bug |
20:49.22 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: that was my understanding |
20:49.39 | merlin1991 | which would render the bug itself invalid but bugs against each app valid |
20:49.47 | freemangordon | agree |
20:49.48 | merlin1991 | Pali: what do you think? |
20:50.20 | Pali | report bugs to each app |
20:50.27 | Pali | global fix not possible |
20:50.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | this only changes te bug to an enhancement |
20:51.14 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, we have no clue which applications will be affected an how |
20:51.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | of course possible |
20:51.43 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: doc suggests that we at hildon level check for env |
20:52.03 | merlin1991 | so you can start single apps with that env in order to 'fix' them |
20:52.17 | freemangordon | yeah, I saw, but that is a hack |
20:52.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | debug=66 acmeapp |
20:53.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, unix is a hack |
20:53.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | and I'm proud of that |
20:53.27 | freemangordon | I meant hack as a coding practice |
20:53.39 | Pali | http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/screenshot-modest.png |
20:53.57 | merlin1991 | well anyway, the bug in question is invalid, it could be refiled in form of docs suggestion as an enhancement |
20:54.09 | arcean | Pali, ah I have the same problem with some applets in Settings |
20:54.19 | merlin1991 | Pali: that's actually true for the german translation also |
20:54.24 | freemangordon | Pali, but there is a horizontal scrollbar?!? |
20:54.33 | arcean | freemangordon, which is not working |
20:54.34 | Pali | not working! |
20:54.35 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: bar is there but you can't scroll |
20:55.07 | Pali | also bug can be fixed by decreasing space between name and value |
20:55.47 | freemangordon | ok. well, it looks UGLY anyway, maybe someone should play a little with translations |
20:55.51 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | AAAAH! better |
20:56.04 | Pali | do you know if it is possible to enable scrollbar in app? |
20:56.11 | merlin1991 | it is |
20:56.42 | merlin1991 | ah wait you mean enable the scrollbar so you can scroll with it? |
20:56.58 | freemangordon | should be |
20:57.05 | merlin1991 | that I don't know |
20:57.27 | Pali | adding some function for that can be also fix |
20:57.46 | arcean | GtkScrolledWindow instead of HildonPannableArea? |
20:58.15 | freemangordon | give me a minute to look through the proposed patch |
20:58.38 | merlin1991 | in the meantime bug #12445 |
20:58.39 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12445 hildon-status-menu displays only 2 icons in portrait |
20:58.57 | merlin1991 | arcean: we do have the patched hildon-status-menu in testing already? |
20:59.05 | arcean | yes |
20:59.12 | arcean | fixed in the latest release |
20:59.23 | freemangordon | well, the patch is for hildonfm, forget about it |
20:59.51 | merlin1991 | hm some ideas to get a few icons? |
20:59.56 | merlin1991 | wants to check on -stable |
21:00.19 | freemangordon | Pali,"g_object_set(priv->scroll, "mov-mode", HILDON_MOVEMENT_MODE_BOTH, NULL);". That is how scrollbar is enabled on application level |
21:00.31 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | 12445 sounds like a statement, not like a bug |
21:01.03 | merlin1991 | 12445 is actually fixed in testing |
21:01.12 | freemangordon | yep |
21:01.23 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | so, please don't bring that to us ;-D |
21:01.29 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | next |
21:01.31 | Pali | freemangordon, api is here: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/HildonPannableArea.html |
21:02.03 | merlin1991 | next up, bug #12454 |
21:02.04 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12454 utilities infocmp, tic, tput etc not installed though busybox provides ncurses-bin |
21:02.04 | Pali | I think we can add some public HildonPannableArea function which call that g_object_set on priv |
21:02.06 | freemangordon | so it is up to app developer to change movement mode |
21:02.30 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | CBA to think about messybox ;-P |
21:03.10 | freemangordon | Pali, that code is from here https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1420 |
21:03.37 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | 12454 comment: "closing as INVALID, it's messybox, not CSSU" |
21:04.06 | Pali | freemangordon, ok - so this code can be added to modest (and maybe other buggy applications) |
21:04.14 | freemangordon | yep |
21:04.28 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | WTF CSSU isn't responsible to provide a convenient set of app install presets for user |
21:05.13 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | terse: "tic, tput etc not installed" SO WHAT? install it! KTNXBY |
21:05.22 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: read other comments |
21:05.29 | merlin1991 | the bugreport is badly worded |
21:05.50 | merlin1991 | fu you tabcompletion meant to write Doc_No_ACTA_zer |
21:06.01 | merlin1991 | The infocmp command is in the ncurses-bin package. On the N900, this package is |
21:06.01 | merlin1991 | not installed, but the busybox package declares that it provides ncurses-bin |
21:06.17 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | so what? |
21:06.26 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | are we responsible for messybox? |
21:06.33 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | oooh we are |
21:06.35 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | :-S |
21:06.39 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | it's MP |
21:06.55 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | isn't it? |
21:07.36 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | shudders about messybox |
21:07.38 | merlin1991 | well we are not directly responsible for messybox, but we could get the messybox from stock and remove the *provides ncurses-bin* from it's control file |
21:08.05 | merlin1991 | basically providing the same messybox that doesn't claim anymore that it's awesome |
21:08.14 | freemangordon | agree |
21:08.14 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | opens a bug against CSSU: "replace messybox by a decent fully usable shell" |
21:08.39 | Pali | or upgrade messybox :D |
21:08.45 | freemangordon | Doc_No_ACTA_zer, that is enhancement request :p |
21:08.48 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!! |
21:08.56 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | freemangordon: indeed |
21:09.09 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | though, arguably messybox is one huge fat bug |
21:09.10 | merlin1991 | though it's not that easy |
21:09.27 | merlin1991 | messybox provides 50% if what ususally should be in ncurses-bin |
21:09.44 | merlin1991 | I think the best thing here would be not to invest time and instead to point towards busybox-power |
21:09.56 | freemangordon | is it stable? |
21:10.01 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | s/in ncurses-bin/in a decent shell/ |
21:10.02 | merlin1991 | which has upgraded messybox and stuff |
21:10.17 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: I use it on all my devices and never ran into a problem |
21:10.45 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | I use bash3 and never ran into any problem |
21:10.49 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | ;-P |
21:10.56 | Pali | busybox-power replace /bin/busybox? |
21:11.30 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | and I **HATE** this reverse polish notation |
21:12.19 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | cookie-sweet, beer-cold, Flop-idiotic, kernel-power |
21:12.26 | Pali | busybox shell has big problem with utf8 input chars |
21:12.44 | merlin1991 | Pali: it does replace /bin/busybox |
21:12.59 | merlin1991 | I'd rather not reproduce what busybox power does, so closing as wontfix ? |
21:13.31 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | I dman get scared when somebody tells me about messybox power, the secret power of messybox |
21:13.36 | freemangordon | merlin1991, wouldn't it be better to confirm it and assign low priority? |
21:13.55 | merlin1991 | or that |
21:14.14 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | I'm not sure if I get scared about that secret dark power, or the guy that tells me about it ;-P |
21:14.22 | freemangordon | as maybe there will be a way to change control file in such a way there will be no more conflick |
21:14.43 | merlin1991 | okay will do that |
21:14.46 | Pali | clone to gitorious and change control file |
21:15.14 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | kernel-power sounds like kernkraft whic means nuclear power in German |
21:15.20 | merlin1991 | Pali: the problem is it does provide a part the nurses commands |
21:15.23 | merlin1991 | like reset |
21:15.36 | Pali | ah |
21:15.55 | freemangordon | something wit alternatives? |
21:16.04 | Pali | so proper fix will be to upgrade busybox |
21:16.10 | merlin1991 | yep |
21:16.27 | Pali | confirmed and low priority |
21:16.28 | merlin1991 | proper fix would be to enable everything in ncurses in messybox and ship it that way |
21:16.37 | merlin1991 | k confimred and low prio |
21:16.39 | merlin1991 | next up is bug #12474 |
21:16.40 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12474 With Desktop locked to landscape and phone to portrait, phone launches in landscape mode |
21:17.20 | Pali | really bug? |
21:17.25 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | kernel-power, DMAN. Shoot the guy who thought that name was better than e.g. kernel+ or kernel-improved or powerkernel |
21:17.35 | freemangordon | well, I think we should agree on WTF lock means once and fo all. And bahave accordingly. |
21:18.40 | merlin1991 | I think against the current implementation the bug is invalid |
21:18.50 | Pali | I think that if system (hildon) is set to landscape only, then every app will be landscape |
21:19.21 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | I think that the bug is against the rationale behind current implementation |
21:20.04 | freemangordon | but current implementation seems logical to me |
21:20.07 | merlin1991 | I think any bugs agains the orientation lock are invalid since the lock iself is a clusterfuck |
21:20.38 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | and I think there ought to be a requirement spec that clearly defines what orientation lock means and how it's supposed to work |
21:20.54 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | merlin1991: ++ |
21:21.17 | merlin1991 | proposes to leave that bug and any other lock related bugs alone untill we havae a clearly defined spec what we want todo with a lock |
21:21.30 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | YES! |
21:21.34 | freemangordon | :nod: |
21:21.34 | Pali | ok |
21:21.57 | merlin1991 | next up: bug #12475 |
21:21.58 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12475 Oversized Phone UI - Incoming Call (Portuguese language) |
21:22.14 | Pali | wontfix - phone ui is closed |
21:22.29 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | reassign to txl8n |
21:22.48 | merlin1991 | ah wait, it's actually about the lock again |
21:23.00 | merlin1991 | it's the issue you get when the landscape lock is on |
21:23.07 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | MEH, next |
21:23.12 | freemangordon | yeah |
21:23.14 | merlin1991 | next: bug #12478 |
21:23.28 | merlin1991 | povbot sleeping? |
21:23.32 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12478 SIP support broken after installation of CSSU (rtcom-accounts-voip-support removed?) |
21:23.33 | povbot | merlin1991: Error: "sleeping?" is not a valid command. |
21:23.41 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | ;-P |
21:24.02 | merlin1991 | confirm and die in hell I guess |
21:24.12 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | indeed |
21:24.27 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | we had the topic err yesterday? |
21:24.42 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | need a apt guru |
21:24.46 | merlin1991 | I mean we can depend on rtcom-accounts-voip-support in the metapacke in order to have ham keep it installed |
21:24.57 | merlin1991 | which is a valid workaround |
21:24.59 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | all for that |
21:25.15 | merlin1991 | and since that package is such a widespread missing piece I'd actually suggest doing that |
21:25.23 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | yes |
21:25.25 | freemangordon | does mp-fremantle-pr depend on it? |
21:25.35 | merlin1991 | yes |
21:25.36 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | that'S the question XD |
21:25.57 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | maybe it does in PR1.3 and beyond |
21:26.11 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | but not in MP PR1.2 |
21:26.26 | merlin1991 | hm actually it doesn't |
21:26.35 | Pali | can you check if all packages which mp-fremantle-pr depend on is in CSSU metapackage? |
21:26.37 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | so the friggin rtcom-sip gets auto-removed when you upgraded instead of flashed |
21:26.47 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | or vice versa |
21:26.54 | merlin1991 | Pali: we don't depend on all |
21:26.58 | merlin1991 | we only depend on our pacakges |
21:27.12 | Pali | ok |
21:27.14 | freemangordon | merlin1991, but maybe we should |
21:27.16 | merlin1991 | because the installer marks all mp packages as manually installed |
21:27.36 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | and suggests autoremove on each and every install you do |
21:27.46 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | (apt-get that is) |
21:28.12 | merlin1991 | we'll just depend on it |
21:28.14 | Pali | HAM is not using apt-get |
21:28.22 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | but sth similar |
21:28.33 | Pali | stupid apt-worker |
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21:28.50 | merlin1991 | anyway next bug #12494 |
21:28.51 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12494 Modest crashes couple of times a day due to internal application error |
21:29.03 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | MEH, obsolete |
21:29.04 | Pali | needsinfo |
21:29.17 | merlin1991 | that is prior the thumb fix, I'd just mark it as fixed |
21:29.28 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | yep |
21:29.42 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | note: "reopen if problem persists" |
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21:30.02 | merlin1991 | yeah |
21:30.17 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | note: "fixed in verX.Y reopen if problem persists" |
21:30.22 | merlin1991 | next up bug #12500 |
21:30.23 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12500 Some SD cards are not properly supported |
21:30.35 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | kernel |
21:30.37 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | next |
21:30.39 | freemangordon | yeah |
21:30.49 | freemangordon | but the bug is valid |
21:31.01 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | reassign kernel |
21:31.20 | merlin1991 | I guess we jsut leave it untill we have a kernel in cssu |
21:31.27 | freemangordon | agree |
21:31.30 | merlin1991 | which probably will never happen |
21:31.36 | freemangordon | why? |
21:31.43 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | or until my cows play bowling |
21:32.00 | freemangordon | merlin1991, why do you think it will never happen? |
21:32.01 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | reasasign kernel, next |
21:32.08 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: because we have to find a sane way to make sure we're not replacing any user flashed kernel |
21:32.30 | freemangordon | and that is a showstopper? |
21:32.35 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | yes |
21:32.41 | merlin1991 | next bug #12516 |
21:32.43 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12516 Error Message camera-ui: "Not enough memory to save photo" |
21:32.46 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | on a conceptual level |
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21:33.01 | Pali | I can create tool in postinst or wrapper around fiasco-* to show message box about flashing yes/no question |
21:33.22 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | no way |
21:33.55 | freemangordon | which could be shown only if current kernel != omap1 |
21:33.56 | merlin1991 | can we read the flash where the kernel is from userspace? |
21:33.58 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | I wanna kick out nicocam, so don't hope for me cheering about getting *kernel* into CSSU |
21:34.29 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | merlin1991: sure |
21:34.35 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | but hey! |
21:34.46 | freemangordon | Doc_No_ACTA_zer, there are several bugs in omap1, what is the problem with better kernel? |
21:34.46 | merlin1991 | then we could md5sum over the flashed kernel and compare to stock kernel singatures |
21:35.02 | Pali | freemangordon: wrapping fiasco-* will show message for all kernels |
21:35.11 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | CSSU is supposed to work with stock kernel, so no way you convince me CSSU *needs* powerkernel |
21:35.17 | freemangordon | uname? |
21:35.53 | freemangordon | CSUU is supposed to not depend on kernel AIUI. |
21:36.01 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | 12516 I thought is fixed? |
21:36.06 | merlin1991 | guys all nice and shiny, but please another time (I can arrange a date for all the topics we have to discuss) |
21:36.12 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | also not applicable to S? |
21:36.26 | merlin1991 | not applicable to S doesn't cound :D |
21:36.28 | freemangordon | merlin1991, let me check on gitorious |
21:36.56 | merlin1991 | original reporter didn't respond anymore |
21:37.05 | merlin1991 | and the bug that was in camera-ui got fixed |
21:37.07 | merlin1991 | so fixed? |
21:37.11 | freemangordon | but I think it is still not fixed |
21:37.24 | arcean | I'm not sure too |
21:37.27 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | so danm fix it! |
21:37.42 | merlin1991 | the problem is that if you have a /scratchbox dir $INTERNAL_MMC_MOUNTPOINT is not set |
21:37.47 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | the fix is around since... weeks? moths? |
21:37.49 | freemangordon | it was some ENV variable missing |
21:38.07 | merlin1991 | a /scratchbox dir has an influence on some bootup script |
21:38.18 | freemangordon | merlin1991, is it a valid bug then? |
21:38.21 | merlin1991 | in a way |
21:38.40 | merlin1991 | having a /scratchbox dir is the prefered way to check for scratchbox env in scratchbox |
21:39.06 | freemangordon | because if you dont have that set, where nikocam is supposed to save the photos? |
21:39.20 | merlin1991 | I guess we can fix that |
21:39.30 | freemangordon | ok, confirm it then |
21:39.35 | merlin1991 | I'll have to find out in which package the script in question resides |
21:39.37 | merlin1991 | k confirm |
21:39.48 | Pali | better is checking /targets/links/scratchbox.config |
21:40.03 | Pali | it is also in postinst script in kernel package |
21:40.27 | merlin1991 | okay so we have a bug against af-defines.sh |
21:40.40 | freemangordon | open it |
21:40.52 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | *sigh* could we agree on assigning bugs to a developer that looks into them, rather than discussing each gory detail here at triage time? |
21:40.58 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | please! |
21:41.02 | merlin1991 | :D |
21:41.18 | merlin1991 | next up bug #12526 |
21:41.20 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12526 Desktop icons management for Landscape to Portrait transition |
21:41.51 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | *burp* |
21:41.57 | freemangordon | INVALID |
21:42.25 | freemangordon | or maybe WONTFIX |
21:42.32 | merlin1991 | I'd say wontfix |
21:42.54 | merlin1991 | the bug itself is valid, but we'll never have an algorithm that can sort everything properly |
21:42.56 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | CBA to open a browser to look into the ticket ;-) |
21:43.10 | freemangordon | yeah, making a complex algorithm for one-time usage does not make sense |
21:43.24 | merlin1991 | wontfix |
21:43.26 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | also next to impossible |
21:43.42 | merlin1991 | next bug #12547 |
21:43.44 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12547 Changing sim reverts to Nokia's AGPS settings |
21:44.06 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | DUH! |
21:44.17 | merlin1991 | wontfix rtcom closed |
21:44.22 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | ack |
21:45.13 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | comment: "suggest a devel who's bored to write a mini-app to set the AGPS setting on click of an icon" |
21:45.24 | merlin1991 | next bug #12571 |
21:45.26 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12571 Unable to move zoom while on hildon-desktop |
21:45.43 | merlin1991 | related to bug #12031 |
21:45.44 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12031 Zoom out (ctrl-shift-f) goes one step too far |
21:45.52 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: did you look into it already? |
21:46.15 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | wasn't zoom meant to die? |
21:46.18 | merlin1991 | yes |
21:46.22 | freemangordon | merlin1991, no, will try do do it tomorrow |
21:46.26 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | so WONTFIX |
21:46.47 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | comment "will fix itself when zoom dies" |
21:47.17 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | next |
21:47.29 | merlin1991 | bug #12576 |
21:47.30 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12576 hildon-desktop crashed after failed SDL png load |
21:47.42 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | [notice: 12min left] |
21:47.50 | merlin1991 | arcean: can you look into that one? I have nfc where to start with that one |
21:48.12 | arcean | merlin1991, ok will do |
21:48.16 | merlin1991 | perfect |
21:48.20 | Pali | when Stratagus (SDL app) crash also hildon-desktop segfault |
21:48.22 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | :-D |
21:48.45 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | next |
21:49.04 | merlin1991 | bug #12514 and bug #12515 |
21:49.06 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12514 Calculator program, percentage operations |
21:49.07 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12515 Calculator: Power function does not work if exponent is not an integer |
21:49.12 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | WOW |
21:49.24 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | povbot: cookie |
21:49.24 | povbot | Doc_No_ACTA_zer: Error: "cookie" is not a valid command. |
21:49.41 | freemangordon | Pali, isn't that fixed on gitorious? |
21:49.46 | Pali | both are commited on gitorious |
21:49.49 | Pali | see links |
21:49.53 | freemangordon | ok |
21:49.55 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | CBA to bother about calculator |
21:50.10 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | anyway, sounds like FIXED |
21:50.26 | freemangordon | well , will be fixed in next |
21:50.42 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | that's NOKIA flavour of FIXED XP |
21:51.02 | merlin1991 | k nokia fixed |
21:51.27 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | AIUI original poster shall CLOSE ticket when FIX arrives |
21:52.05 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | 8 min |
21:52.16 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | when's next meeting? |
21:52.26 | merlin1991 | next week same day same time? |
21:52.30 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | sure |
21:52.33 | Pali | ok |
21:52.35 | freemangordon | ok |
21:52.37 | merlin1991 | arcean: ? |
21:52.38 | arcean | ok |
21:52.40 | merlin1991 | okay |
21:52.57 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | so 7min left, let's close another 20 critters |
21:52.58 | merlin1991 | 16 bugs this time :) |
21:53.06 | merlin1991 | okay we'll go on then :) |
21:53.13 | freemangordon | we have time for one more |
21:53.33 | merlin1991 | next #11826 |
21:53.38 | merlin1991 | bug # 11826 |
21:53.39 | merlin1991 | :D |
21:53.40 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11826 hildon-application-manager random crashes |
21:53.53 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | MEH, KTHNX |
21:54.02 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | next |
21:54.27 | Pali | needsinfo |
21:54.27 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | set to NEEDINFO if you deel like |
21:54.36 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | next |
21:54.51 | merlin1991 | okay we reached the already confirmed bugs now |
21:55.13 | merlin1991 | bug #11842 |
21:55.15 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11842 RDesktop halt on connection screen |
21:55.22 | freemangordon | my favourite |
21:55.34 | freemangordon | not fixed |
21:55.50 | merlin1991 | did it work on stock? |
21:55.51 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | *cough* what? |
21:56.01 | freemangordon | merlin1991, yes |
21:56.38 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | EEEW |
21:56.50 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | now THAT is the first good bug today |
21:57.25 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | blame MHD? |
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21:58.38 | merlin1991 | I wonder why it does halt |
21:58.53 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | I'd assign it to MHD maintainer/devel |
21:58.54 | freemangordon | it does not halt, you just can't see it |
21:59.08 | merlin1991 | I remember using RDesktop on cssu and it did work, it only had an insane wait period before it showed up |
21:59.29 | freemangordon | merlin1991, see my comments on the bug report |
21:59.39 | freemangordon | Ivaylo Dimitrov |
21:59.50 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | hmm, anyway, I'm adding a throttle to my zombie state right now |
22:00.08 | merlin1991 | hm |
22:00.36 | merlin1991 | k let's say we're done for today |
22:00.41 | merlin1991 | Pali: about bug #12444 |
22:00.42 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12444 osso-pdf-viewer: need to translate new string |
22:01.04 | merlin1991 | could you re the pdf-viewer translations? I don't think we're going to get them from nokia, no response since last year |
22:01.25 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | so 17.5 this time ;-) |
22:01.33 | Pali | I do not know how to RE l10n packages |
22:01.48 | freemangordon | Pali, it is very easy |
22:01.49 | merlin1991 | hm who was it that did re the camera-ui packages then? |
22:01.53 | freemangordon | me |
22:02.02 | merlin1991 | ooops :$ |
22:02.10 | merlin1991 | well in that case freemangordon can you do it then? |
22:02.44 | Pali | also tvout-l10n should be usefull |
22:02.58 | Pali | I added new strings in control panel |
22:03.27 | freemangordon | ok, but won't happen soon, I am fixing last glitches in tasknav, after that have to remove zoom |
22:03.38 | freemangordon | from h-d |
22:03.38 | merlin1991 | okay |
22:03.57 | Pali | ok |
22:03.58 | freemangordon | merlin1991, did you look at garage management system? |
22:04.20 | merlin1991 | didn't find the time, will do that this weekend |
22:04.25 | freemangordon | as we need to keep assigments in one place |
22:04.28 | freemangordon | ok |
22:04.50 | merlin1991 | yeah some publicly? readable assignment list should be helpfull |
22:05.14 | freemangordon | and will be easier for us not so young :D |
22:05.21 | merlin1991 | :D |
22:05.37 | merlin1991 | arcean: whatabout the mg for the hildon-home with wallpaper support for up to 9 images? |
22:06.18 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | anybody tested 1.3.0 of marble? |
22:06.27 | freemangordon | I think he still wait my MRs |
22:07.01 | merlin1991 | 1.3.0 of marble? wtf? |
22:07.45 | Pali | I see on my n900, that fmtxd and n900-fmrx-enabler is still running and I cannot kill processes (they are spawned again). it is OK? |
22:08.07 | freemangordon | Pali, lets move to #maemo |
22:08.35 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | BY THE WAY |
22:08.41 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | :-/ |
22:09.14 | merlin1991 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer: what are you on about? |
22:09.46 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | I recently see strange segfaults in a number of apps (namely Fahrplan and Marble), always some seconds after they tried to download stuff via 2/3G |
22:10.07 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | and suddenly I recall my yesterday's comment about guinea pig |
22:10.41 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | actually it seems related to GPS and missing internet connectivity |
22:11.21 | merlin1991 | you are guinea pig for an updated osso-wlan which is related to the way maemo checks for avaiable wireless connections |
22:11.34 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | hmm |
22:11.38 | merlin1991 | completely independend of 2/3G |
22:12.04 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | might that occur the same moment 3G doesn't provide proper connectivity and an app tries to "talk" |
22:12.05 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | ? |
22:12.20 | merlin1991 | hm |
22:12.46 | merlin1991 | well you can always revert the binary and see if you get rid of your segfaults |
22:13.18 | merlin1991 | it's /usr/bin/wlancond |
22:13.31 | merlin1991 | but you have to know yourself where you placed the backup ;) |
22:13.44 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | luckily Fahrplan blow-chunks is kinda reproducible |
22:14.07 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | you bet it's /usr/bin/wlancond_orig |
22:14.39 | merlin1991 | ah sry /usr/sbin/wlancond |
22:14.43 | merlin1991 | had a typo there |
22:15.05 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | mompls, only need to switch windows ;-) |
22:16.08 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | MEH, wlancond.bak |
22:16.15 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | ;) |
22:17.23 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | the strange thing is the 'huge' delay between last user interaction and actual *plop* of window |
22:17.41 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | sometimes up to 20s |
22:17.58 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | usually some 5 |
22:18.13 | merlin1991 | odd |
22:18.46 | merlin1991 | I don't think though that it's wlanconds fault |
22:18.58 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | in fahrplan we had the notorious limited lifetime (close after 120s) |
22:19.09 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | but it got fixed some years ago |
22:19.36 | merlin1991 | I think a reboot is the safest way to get the 'new' wlancond in place |
22:19.55 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | no it closes whenever I search for a bus station and no internet available |
22:20.14 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | actually marbel *plop*ed exactly on same task, same way |
22:20.24 | merlin1991 | what is marbel actually? |
22:20.29 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | marble |
22:20.45 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | mappero competitor |
22:21.03 | merlin1991 | how can I try to reproduce your problem? |
22:21.06 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | with on board routing |
22:21.38 | merlin1991 | (in marble) |
22:22.13 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | install fahrplan, enter some BS to start or end point of travel, while you're not connected to 3G (rather I always been connected but had no signal) |
22:22.28 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | OOH, nah |
22:22.30 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | better |
22:22.50 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | simply click "GPS" when on the start addr requester |
22:23.07 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | that's what killed it every time for me |
22:23.32 | merlin1991 | okay going to try on stock, testing and stable (with modified wlancond) |
22:24.08 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | not this time though, well I'm on WLAN |
22:24.29 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | and it properly offered the next 20 bus stations after a short "thinking" |
22:25.40 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | more often than not it returns to the text input for street name without popping up any selection list for suggested bus stops, and 5s later BOOM |
22:25.43 | merlin1991 | stable with modfied wlancond works fine on wlan, asks for connection without wlan |
22:26.24 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | mine never asks for connection, as it's allowed to connect to everything every time |
22:27.15 | merlin1991 | can't let it do that here since ap needs power-saving none |
22:27.19 | merlin1991 | which is a nogo for autoconnects :D |
22:27.29 | merlin1991 | 3 hrs later the battery is flat :/ |
22:28.59 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | I dropped WLAN and re-did the GPS thing in Fahrplan. This time it acted like usual first, in that it's simply frozen for 5s. After that time I guess 3G kicked in and it worked like a charm |
22:29.35 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | if however 3G wouldn't offer connectivity, I guess Fahrplan stays frozen and eventually gets killed by whomever |
22:29.53 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | prolly some dbus timeout |
22:30.25 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | so odds are this is not related to wlancond |
22:30.44 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | rather to liblocation or general network access |
22:32.06 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | idly wonders where's the next elevator, similarly RF-tight like the one in office, to get 3G drop connectivity |
22:32.28 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | YAY, my battery |
22:32.41 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | 15h and already needs recharge |
22:32.52 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | GPS is a power hog |
22:33.56 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | xchat ith missing connectivity as well |
22:34.15 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | (retries connect every 10s) |
22:34.16 | merlin1991 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer: just crashed it with wlan after clicking gps |
22:34.25 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | :nod: |
22:34.37 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | good to hear it's not just me |
22:35.33 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | I think it might be related to GPS allegedly "available" while it still has "poor accuracy fix" at best |
22:36.12 | merlin1991 | though I can't get the 2 other n900s to get a fix since they don't have a sim inserted |
22:36.28 | merlin1991 | starts swapping sims |
22:37.31 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | HAHA, bug #18.5 killed, with a rolled up newspaper, on the wall XP |
22:37.33 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/18 No initrd file supplied |
22:38.27 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | yay, those were the times |
22:38.37 | merlin1991 | :D |
22:39.28 | merlin1991 | okay booting stock maemo with sim |
22:39.32 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | next session we should achieve to get 24 bugs done in 120 min |
22:39.34 | merlin1991 | let's see if I can reproduce |
22:39.45 | merlin1991 | probably possible |
22:39.53 | merlin1991 | because we'll do next, next, next next, |
22:39.59 | merlin1991 | on most of them in the list |
22:40.47 | merlin1991 | interesting are only the last few |
22:40.56 | merlin1991 | from andre |
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22:41.31 | *** topic/#maemo-ssu by merlin1991 -> Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1 | STABLE: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1129261 \o/ | bugmeeting 29.02.2012 20:00 UTC |
22:41.39 | *** mode/#maemo-ssu [-o merlin1991] by merlin1991 |
22:46.30 | merlin1991 | fucking mynokia bullcrap |
22:48.08 | merlin1991 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer: couldn't reproduce your gps bug on stock in a few tries, though I'm still not convinced it's wlanconds fault, we'll see if you still get it with the reverted deamon |
22:48.19 | merlin1991 | hi |
22:48.35 | merlin1991 | wrong window :D |
22:54.24 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: ping? |
22:57.38 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | merlin1991: I'm rather sure it's not wlancond |
22:58.07 | Doc_No_ACTA_zer | [2012-02-22 23:35:33] <Doc_No_ACTA_zer> I think it might be related to GPS allegedly "available" while it still has "poor accuracy fix" at best |
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