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| 19:09.20 | fw190 | nice to hear that |
| 19:10.20 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~part #maemo-ssu |
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| 19:11.31 | *** mode/#maemo-ssu [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 19:12.52 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-15 20:12:43] [Notice] -ChanServ- Flags +votriA were set on merlin1991 in #maemo-ssu. |
| 19:12.52 | merlin1991 | ohnoes we've got another bot in here |
| 19:13.01 | merlin1991 | as if DocScrutinizer isn't enough |
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| 19:13.17 | fw190 | 2 bots are always better then one ;) |
| 19:13.18 | merlin1991 | hm why don't I see that noticeh ere |
| 19:13.19 | merlin1991 | odd |
| 19:13.23 | TurboVomit | http://www.leboncoin.fr/telephonie/275623138.htm?ca=15_s |
| 19:13.29 | TurboVomit | What is it ??? |
| 19:13.39 | TurboVomit | a n9 with a minikeyboard ? |
| 19:13.57 | merlin1991 | and what does it have todo with #maemo-ssu ? |
| 19:14.05 | merlin1991 | srly head over to #n9 or #harmattan |
| 19:14.17 | TurboVomit | hum sorry.... |
| 19:14.23 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: because I changed the list, so the notice goes to me, as chanserv isn't set to verbose mode |
| 19:14.33 | merlin1991 | okay :) |
| 19:15.21 | DocScrutinizer | not that we've needed much moderation here in the past |
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| 19:15.48 | DocScrutinizer | but 2 regularly active chanops is somewhat minimum |
| 19:16.14 | DocScrutinizer | according to general rule of "always have a stand-in" |
| 19:17.41 | merlin1991 | fsckd freenode webpage |
| 19:17.50 | merlin1991 | can't find the chanserv modes list |
| 19:18.43 | DocScrutinizer | anyway that friggin "N9" looks like *maybe* hooker900 |
| 19:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | never seen it |
| 19:19.00 | DocScrutinizer | it's for sure NO N9 |
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| 19:22.04 | merlin1991 | as ususal /msg Bot help was more usefull than the freenode webpage :p |
| 19:23.50 | DocScrutinizer | /cs help |
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| 19:25.09 | merlin1991 | what's with all the we've got to abandon maemo.org talk? |
| 19:25.14 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: guly offered to admin the repo server. Or is that something you would like to do, or maybe both of you? |
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| 19:25.47 | guly | hello |
| 19:25.49 | merlin1991 | would prefer using maemo.org as long as possible, and after that having a proper sysadmin for the new page |
| 19:26.14 | merlin1991 | personally has nfc, about apt repos, and proper sysadmin stuff |
| 19:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | it's a very strange thing going on (we-have-to-leave-talk), but I agree we should have a mirror completely under community control for now |
| 19:26.40 | merlin1991 | well a mirror of the stuff itself is running on my server |
| 19:26.55 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I mean a proper repo server |
| 19:27.00 | DocScrutinizer | whatever that means |
| 19:27.24 | merlin1991 | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ has the important bits |
| 19:27.28 | DocScrutinizer | (nfc about it here - guess it's either apache or some special server process) |
| 19:27.37 | merlin1991 | and afaik could be converted anytime to be a full repo server |
| 19:27.51 | guly | yes, just a webserver that serves a package list, more or less |
| 19:27.53 | merlin1991 | all that's missing is a db and a few cronjobs |
| 19:28.14 | merlin1991 | and ofc when that's in place all the fancy maemo.org package interface stuff :/ |
| 19:28.21 | guly | it's not very complex to setup and maintain indeed |
| 19:28.29 | DocScrutinizer | that's exactly what you guys have to figure and find the solution. I'm only offering to *maybe* provide the URL and Vserver |
| 19:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | duh, we got that fancy stuff for CSSU? |
| 19:29.16 | DocScrutinizer | now? |
| 19:29.36 | DocScrutinizer | pkg interface |
| 19:29.38 | merlin1991 | nah, but if we replicate we need it at least for extras |
| 19:29.52 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not talking abiut extras |
| 19:30.04 | merlin1991 | also I guess if we push X-Fade in the right direction we can get the package interface for cssu too |
| 19:30.08 | DocScrutinizer | it's absolutely strictly for cssu right now |
| 19:30.12 | merlin1991 | ah k |
| 19:30.21 | merlin1991 | well in that case it's easy as pie |
| 19:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | I don't see me hosting a mirror repo for extras anytime soon |
| 19:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | and not without some sponsoring |
| 19:31.22 | guly | web interface for repository, like packages.debian.org should be included with archive kit |
| 19:31.46 | guly | so it shouldn't need any devs to work on it |
| 19:31.46 | DocScrutinizer | we could *slooowly* prepare things for that, then eventually put it to operation in mirror mode |
| 19:33.33 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: merlin1991: guly: I'm afk now, you guys will check our way to go regarding this mirror idea, and ping me when I can do sth (or there's sth new you decided so I can rant about it ;-D ) |
| 19:34.15 | merlin1991 | thinks the best thing todo would be to prepare a 100% working way to convert an apt-mirror repo into a fully working repo |
| 19:35.00 | guly | that's actually what most deb mirror do |
| 19:35.26 | merlin1991 | since I've got the apt-mirror running on my server already |
| 19:35.27 | guly | your is a half-working mirror, if you just add a Packages.gz and an index in the rootfolder you have a full working repo |
| 19:35.49 | guly | dpkg-scanpackages does it brainless |
| 19:38.00 | guly | if you have enough disk space and bandwidth, we already have a working repo :) |
| 19:38.07 | Estel_ | guly, thanks for stepping in with will to volonteer our knowledge and some time :) |
| 19:38.20 | merlin1991 | disk space is more and enough, and bandwidth is capped at 1000gb / month |
| 19:38.50 | Estel_ | the main idea is to talk with Debian guys about using heir host (hey wouldn't even notice our trafic ) for our infrastructure |
| 19:39.41 | guly | do you already have any contact ? |
| 19:39.42 | Estel_ | we would like to eventually mirror *whole* extras. Maybe with 2 instances instead of three (extras and extras-devel), bt thats to be discussed yet |
| 19:39.44 | NIN101 | will they do it? I think some will say that maemo is not fully free, so... but anyway, asking can't hurt. |
| 19:40.02 | Estel_ | we want to host only FOSS components |
| 19:40.13 | NIN101 | of course. |
| 19:40.16 | Estel_ | probably under different name for now or forever |
| 19:40.18 | freemangordon | How do you think, does it make sense to ask MohammadAG for one last contribution to the community, i.e. an CSSU-T update of only apt sources list, so swotching to new repos to be painless? |
| 19:40.26 | guly | Estel_: do you already have any contact ? |
| 19:40.30 | freemangordon | *switching |
| 19:40.39 | guly | any clue about disk and b/w requirement? |
| 19:40.43 | Estel_ | freemangordon, +1 if there are any chances that he will do it |
| 19:40.54 | freemangordon | MohammadAG ping |
| 19:41.03 | merlin1991 | sources.list on maemo is a really weird thing |
| 19:41.06 | Estel_ | guly, I'm not councill member (yet) so I must catch SD69 first |
| 19:41.37 | merlin1991 | but afaik ham does most of the stuff |
| 19:41.48 | Estel_ | guly, would love to have it, but our useless 'friends' @ nokia fail to provide us data on space and bandwidth usage |
| 19:41.53 | Estel_ | basically, any data |
| 19:42.11 | Estel_ | we need to figure ourselv basing on available things |
| 19:42.31 | merlin1991 | guly: what's your background on sysadmin and apt stuff? |
| 19:42.37 | merlin1991 | has none at all |
| 19:42.40 | Estel_ | I would not count on any help from Nokia - even informations. If they do, it will be addesd bonus, but we can't count on it |
| 19:42.45 | guly | since 1998 :) |
| 19:42.58 | guly | more confident with rpm based, but i'm not racist |
| 19:43.05 | merlin1991 | hhe |
| 19:43.08 | freemangordon | merlin1991, we just need a sed script or similar, to replace maemo.org CSSU-T repo with the new one, shouldn't be that hard |
| 19:43.10 | Estel_ | guly, do You have account on talk.maemo.org? if yes, which nick? |
| 19:43.11 | merlin1991 | s/hhe/hehe/ |
| 19:43.25 | freemangordon | wow, working bot |
| 19:43.43 | Estel_ | yea DocScrutinizer molested MAG about it few minutes ago |
| 19:43.43 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: wrong, another working bot, we had Doc already ;) |
| 19:43.47 | Estel_ | about permissions |
| 19:43.55 | DocScrutinizer | is not totally convinced of that move to debian servers being a good one |
| 19:43.57 | freemangordon | yeah, yeah |
| 19:43.58 | Estel_ | so DocScrutinizer mugged bot here |
| 19:44.06 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, rationale? |
| 19:44.21 | DocScrutinizer | again not full control over the infra |
| 19:44.34 | guly | Estel_: guly |
| 19:44.46 | guly | (not yet confirmed) |
| 19:44.48 | freemangordon | merlin1991, but he is a special kind of, negatronbot? |
| 19:44.49 | Estel_ | somehow true, but with our sysadmin for our infrastructure, we're much better than with nothing |
| 19:44.52 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer :p |
| 19:44.55 | Estel_ | thanks guly |
| 19:45.18 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: we'd just move from one evil emperor to another |
| 19:45.45 | Estel_ | anyway, having full extras mirrored and working somewhere, be it debian or not, we have better backingup to show people that it's worth to donate |
| 19:46.00 | Estel_ | then, we can buy own hosting if desired |
| 19:46.16 | Estel_ | of course it's not frozen concept |
| 19:46.30 | Estel_ | migrating talking board is wnd priority after repos |
| 19:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: 1000gb/month sounds OKish, though I could offer true unlimited, on a *massive* backbone. (hetzner) |
| 19:46.45 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, how much? |
| 19:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | how much what? |
| 19:47.05 | Estel_ | price ;P |
| 19:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | that's my offer to sponsor |
| 19:47.19 | Estel_ | ah I see |
| 19:47.21 | Estel_ | nice |
| 19:47.37 | Estel_ | but, You're interested on hosting only CSSU (which is great already) |
| 19:47.40 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I've got the *massive* backbone too ;) only it's the eq root server that has silly bandwidth limitations |
| 19:47.41 | DocScrutinizer | somehat limited storage, just ~30GB for now |
| 19:47.53 | Estel_ | we need to - in a little longer term - mirror extras |
| 19:48.05 | Estel_ | I see |
| 19:48.16 | merlin1991 | extras + devel is ~100gb atm |
| 19:48.21 | DocScrutinizer | I might consider to get another TB |
| 19:48.41 | DocScrutinizer | dunno how much that would cost me exra |
| 19:48.50 | Estel_ | any ~ on how much a year would 150GB appropriate hosting cost? |
| 19:49.15 | DocScrutinizer | max 500EUR |
| 19:49.39 | Estel_ | And, using Your server, You would need TB disk? |
| 19:50.05 | DocScrutinizer | I need to ask my sysadm to sell me more storage on that vserver |
| 19:50.15 | Estel_ | after that, You would be able to host extras? if for long term, how much sponsoring would be needed? |
| 19:50.20 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 19:50.34 | DocScrutinizer | probably ~30bucks / month |
| 19:51.00 | DocScrutinizer | which I might be not willing to pay by myself eventually |
| 19:51.06 | Estel_ | well, I think we can afford so much without help from Nokia friends |
| 19:51.08 | Estel_ | joking |
| 19:51.14 | merlin1991 | the main problem with hosting extras is, that we'd need a replacement for the autobuilder too |
| 19:51.22 | Estel_ | no no |
| 19:51.26 | Estel_ | for builder itself |
| 19:51.30 | Estel_ | web based can be ommited |
| 19:51.34 | Estel_ | for beginning |
| 19:51.39 | merlin1991 | never |
| 19:51.45 | Estel_ | is trivial to scp files needed by autobuilder |
| 19:51.57 | merlin1991 | ah yeah |
| 19:52.01 | Estel_ | Look. I'm noob when it come to maintainership. Yet, even I wa able to notice |
| 19:52.04 | merlin1991 | but autobuilder itself is a huge thing |
| 19:52.17 | Estel_ | that using scp every package lands in devel in 10mins |
| 19:52.18 | merlin1991 | needs more than just space & bandwidth |
| 19:52.28 | Estel_ | as opposed to web autobuilder which may take hours |
| 19:52.30 | merlin1991 | also processing power |
| 19:52.33 | freemangordon | hmm, in the light of recent developments re moving appsformeego to maemo.org, maybe extras should stay where they are |
| 19:52.50 | merlin1991 | +1 |
| 19:52.56 | Estel_ | freemangordon, why? no control over orphaned packages, maintainers etc |
| 19:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: +1 |
| 19:53.17 | Estel_ | ~3 months to get maintainer replaced by new one if old unavailable |
| 19:53.29 | freemangordon | Estel_, well, I am not sure we can replicate the whole infrastructure |
| 19:53.48 | freemangordon | ind if it ends just being a fileserver, what is the point |
| 19:53.52 | Estel_ | we can start by basic working thigs. guly, any comment on builder? |
| 19:54.22 | freemangordon | Estel_, AIUI the only problem with extras now is KP |
| 19:54.25 | Estel_ | well, after setting up stable infrastructure, we're free to fundraise on bigger scale, register foundation etc |
| 19:54.29 | Estel_ | first things first |
| 19:54.43 | Estel_ | but whole autonomy seems better than relying on Nokia in *ny* case |
| 19:54.57 | Estel_ | any I meant |
| 19:55.01 | freemangordon | and that will be resolved ince KP gets into CSSU as a community kernel |
| 19:55.03 | guly | required cpu shouldn't be very high |
| 19:55.28 | guly | anyway i have some spare cputime on hetzner too, i can move bbuild to my server to compile |
| 19:55.30 | Estel_ | I got nothing about hosting CSSU/kernel first |
| 19:55.38 | merlin1991 | guly: required cpu is very high |
| 19:55.45 | Estel_ | then, if we're able, whole inf. |
| 19:55.56 | Estel_ | as of idea of 'first things first' |
| 19:56.05 | Estel_ | merlin1991, why? |
| 19:56.14 | Estel_ | builder isn't building 24h/7 |
| 19:56.15 | guly | merlin1991: just for the first time |
| 19:56.19 | merlin1991 | because building packages is not a peace of cake |
| 19:56.27 | Estel_ | ok, but after initial build |
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| 19:56.36 | Estel_ | how much packages You have a day? |
| 19:56.39 | Estel_ | uploaded? |
| 19:56.43 | guly | when packages have been compiled once, they won't be till next update |
| 19:56.55 | merlin1991 | it's enough when we push 1 cssu update |
| 19:57.07 | merlin1991 | builder on not so good inf can be working a full day |
| 19:57.15 | Estel_ | well, it's being calculated, ok. Then, finished |
| 19:57.46 | Estel_ | many times web infrastructure of current autobuilder was frozen for more than a day without sane reason, and everyine lived through it |
| 19:58.08 | merlin1991 | Estel_: I don't care about the web infrastructure |
| 19:58.16 | Estel_ | I think we can wait a day or so for CSSU being available, instead of waiting a 3 months or so due to irresponsible maintainer, xfade or whatever |
| 19:58.16 | merlin1991 | I'm talkikng about the raw buliding that can kill the thing |
| 19:58.24 | Estel_ | I know. |
| 19:58.47 | Estel_ | but, most people used web infra for packages and wasn't complaining @high waiting times |
| 19:58.49 | Estel_ | well. |
| 19:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | nothing will "kill" anything |
| 19:58.57 | DocScrutinizer | it will just take longer |
| 19:59.04 | merlin1991 | and longer and longer |
| 19:59.05 | Estel_ | +1 that we should start with CSSU/community kernel |
| 19:59.18 | freemangordon | CSSU only, then kernel |
| 19:59.23 | Estel_ | then, we can research possibilities to mirror whole inf. |
| 19:59.27 | Estel_ | agreed freemangordon |
| 19:59.36 | freemangordon | anyway it is not ready for the prime time (kernel i mean) |
| 19:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: only for initial build, no? |
| 20:00.03 | Estel_ | *if* we determine costs (or lack of) needed for builder, we can start repo thing. *After* we got CSSU and later kernel repo working and stable |
| 20:00.17 | freemangordon | autobuilder is not needed for CSSU |
| 20:00.19 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, yea, only for initial build |
| 20:00.41 | Estel_ | true. Thats why we splitted conversation about CSSU and extras |
| 20:00.53 | Estel_ | on hosting CSSU there is consensus i think |
| 20:01.09 | freemangordon | well, lets do it then :p |
| 20:01.18 | Estel_ | as for hosting extras, we may think about it more after getting CSSU hosted properly, Do You all agree? |
| 20:01.41 | Estel_ | guly, could You converse more with DocScrutinizer about things that You know You need to do it.. |
| 20:01.55 | Estel_ | because I don't have a clue about sysadmin'ing it? :P |
| 20:02.04 | guly | sure |
| 20:02.20 | Estel_ | then, freemangordon and merlin1991 are easily available when You need feedback from CSSU team I think |
| 20:02.44 | Estel_ | freemangordon, merlin1991, it's ok with u? |
| 20:02.49 | freemangordon | sure |
| 20:02.57 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, same question ;) |
| 20:03.17 | guly | i surely need information from cssu team :) |
| 20:03.17 | freemangordon | BTW i would prefer NOT to be maintainer if CSSU-T (if possible) |
| 20:03.42 | freemangordon | guly, bot me and merlin1991 is easy to be found here |
| 20:04.06 | guly | ok great |
| 20:05.09 | freemangordon | if by any chance we delay our answers more than reasonable, you can always post or PM on TMO. merlin1991, agree? |
| 20:05.34 | merlin1991 | yea |
| 20:06.10 | guly | k, give me a couple of minutes for the first question :) |
| 20:06.53 | freemangordon | merlin1991, do you want to take CSSU-T under your maintainership too(if others agree of course)? |
| 20:07.15 | freemangordon | I think it will be easiest way |
| 20:07.25 | freemangordon | *the easiest |
| 20:07.37 | Estel_ | nice ;) so I'm going to get back and finish my already cold meal ;) |
| 20:07.49 | Estel_ | will point SD69 to this discussion later |
| 20:07.53 | Estel_ | see ya! |
| 20:07.56 | freemangordon | bb |
| 20:08.17 | guly | bb |
| 20:08.53 | merlin1991 | I don't want to take cssu-t under my maintainership, but I have no problem to get singed up as co maintainer so I du it whenever mag isn't around |
| 20:09.17 | freemangordon | you want to keep mag as a maintainer? |
| 20:09.41 | merlin1991 | in general he has a better overview of the whole cssu |
| 20:09.45 | merlin1991 | so yes |
| 20:09.51 | freemangordon | (TBH i would like too, but it just does not work) |
| 20:10.04 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: why not set up a co maintainership system? |
| 20:10.14 | freemangordon | I am ok |
| 20:10.45 | freemangordon | I really don't care who will push the updates, if they are pushed on time |
| 20:10.57 | merlin1991 | I mean whenver he IS around he's defenitely the better choice |
| 20:11.16 | freemangordon | better as in? |
| 20:11.35 | merlin1991 | more experience more knowledge |
| 20:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles "I asked for mainainer stand-ins some 2 months ago" |
| 20:12.47 | merlin1991 | mumbles maemo.org inf works with uid |
| 20:12.48 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, I think there is agreement on that, no need to discuss it again |
| 20:12.48 | DocScrutinizer | has a deja-vu |
| 20:13.26 | freemangordon | there should be at least 2 people holding the keys to paradise |
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| 20:13.53 | freemangordon | guly, do you have TMO account? |
| 20:14.10 | guly | freemangordon: i'm guly :) |
| 20:14.16 | freemangordon | ok |
| 20:14.18 | freemangordon | :D |
| 20:15.48 | merlin1991 | wonders though why they can't just make it based on group id and introduce a cssu-crap group on the server |
| 20:16.03 | freemangordon | it will cost some effort ;) |
| 20:17.15 | guly | basically, we need to mirror http://repository.maemo.org/community/ for fremantle |
| 20:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | that's indeed VERY strange |
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| 20:18.14 | freemangordon | guly, basically, yes |
| 20:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | hell they probably even could create multiple passwd entries pointing to same UID, if nothing else helps |
| 20:18.52 | DocScrutinizer | though I guess that's a bit too much of a nasty hack |
| 20:20.31 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, is that really needed? The user and pwd could just be shared amongst maintainers, anywa, it is all based on trust, does it really make any difference whether it was me or you who push rm -rf / through CSSU update? |
| 20:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | could we sync "master" to our "mirror" and just use mirror as main repo, and once a day the "master" gets synced, for which we'd use this unique UID login? |
| 20:22.05 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: no objections here, but maybe Nokia policy is different about that |
| 20:23.17 | merlin1991 | main idea is that you can trace packge to uplaoder |
| 20:23.22 | DocScrutinizer | e.g I could think of them using ssh-keys, and probably nobody would want to share his private key, so we'd need this unique maintainer to help and get a new sharable private key in there |
| 20:24.00 | DocScrutinizer | err "new sharable public key in there" |
| 20:24.09 | DocScrutinizer | and share the private key |
| 20:24.21 | DocScrutinizer | I think you know what I mean |
| 20:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, the idea of syncing Nokia CSSU repo to 'our' CSSU repo, and check in things on 'our' infra has some advantages |
| 20:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | dunno how feasible this idea is in real life |
| 20:26.50 | DocScrutinizer | an rsync works both directions |
| 20:28.01 | DocScrutinizer | and if somebody nukes maemo.cloud-7.de we still can stop the shit from propagating to maemo.nokia.com repo |
| 20:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | access to nokia repo wwould be thru one well defined process, by one user account only, done by a cronjob |
| 20:29.56 | DocScrutinizer | community has full control over permissions to maemo.cloud-7.de repo |
| 20:30.17 | DocScrutinizer | and nobody needs to share passwords |
| 20:30.30 | DocScrutinizer | (except mohammad for the cronjob) |
| 20:31.32 | guly | DocScrutinizer: i'll get in contact with you on tue eve, i need to do a couple of tests here to choose the right tool |
| 20:31.46 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 20:32.06 | DocScrutinizer | please pm your mail addr |
| 20:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | bye fellas, have to get some 60min of RL before going to sleep :-/ |
| 20:39.08 | guly | 'nite |
| 20:41.27 | DocScrutinizer | maemo-repository.cloud-7.de ? for the repo mirror? |
| 20:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | or even maemo-repos.... |
| 20:46.00 | guly | no preferences |
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| 20:58.56 | scoobertron | hi. I just noticed that the bug I filed about the browser rotation behaviour https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12412 has been closed. I still have the issue, even after the last update, but it may be that something is just messed up on my phone. Have other people found that the problem as gone away? |
| 20:58.58 | povbot | Bug 12412: microb odd rotation behaviour |
| 21:01.46 | freemangordon | scoobertron, I don't think it is fixed, you may want to reopen it |
| 21:02.45 | merlin1991 | scoobertron: It was me who closed |
| 21:03.05 | merlin1991 | I tested on my -testing device as well as stable and couldn't reproduce the descibed bug |
| 21:03.51 | freemangordon | merlin1991, you should enable microb rotation |
| 21:03.54 | merlin1991 | though if you still have the problem and have updated to the latest version feel free to reopen the bug and if possible provicde more information |
| 21:04.00 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: I did |
| 21:04.28 | freemangordon | do you have shortcutd installed? |
| 21:04.34 | scoobertron | I do |
| 21:04.47 | freemangordon | I was asking merlin1991 :D |
| 21:05.10 | scoobertron | ah, I was suddenly excited that that might be the cause. :) |
| 21:05.12 | merlin1991 | that's the only thing I didn't have but if we can pinpoint it to that it's no cssu bug, will try tmorrow |
| 21:05.56 | freemangordon | merlin1991, using shortcutd is the only way to go from portraited fullscreen microb to task-manager :D |
| 21:06.02 | merlin1991 | no isn't |
| 21:06.07 | freemangordon | how? |
| 21:06.14 | freemangordon | half-open keyboard? |
| 21:06.20 | merlin1991 | yep :D |
| 21:06.25 | scoobertron | I also noticed something else odd. If I disable microb rotation, then if I lock and unlock the phone, the browser gets locked in landscape mode |
| 21:06.26 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 21:06.30 | freemangordon | let me check |
| 21:07.23 | freemangordon | well, it is reproducibe with half-open keyboard too |
| 21:07.31 | merlin1991 | wasn't for me |
| 21:07.45 | merlin1991 | that's why it's closed as 'works for me' and not fixed :) |
| 21:08.35 | freemangordon | yeah, sure. Well, the bug is in microb, that is for sure, but it is better to leave that bug open, maybe it is possible to find some workaround |
| 21:08.58 | merlin1991 | just reopen it then |
| 21:09.05 | freemangordon | scoobertron ^^^ |
| 21:09.20 | scoobertron | cool. willdo |
| 21:10.23 | freemangordon | scoobertron, microb does not respect what h-d says about device orientation, it listens to dbus for that. That is why the strange behaviour |
| 21:10.31 | freemangordon | merlin1991, mce opensource? |
| 21:10.54 | merlin1991 | hm actually I don't know, never checked |
| 21:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | mce yes, mce plugins not |
| 21:12.19 | DocScrutinizer | or sth like that |
| 21:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | and also the source is for a way newer HARM mce |
| 21:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | or meego |
| 21:13.05 | DocScrutinizer | or whatever |
| 21:13.07 | freemangordon | apt-get source says "E: Unable to find a source package for mce" |
| 21:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | gitorious |
| 21:13.40 | freemangordon | ok, will check |
| 21:14.17 | DocScrutinizer | last who checked was jonwil |
| 21:14.41 | DocScrutinizer | he rejected to do anything about it |
| 21:15.16 | freemangordon | :D |
| 21:15.32 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart mce |
| 21:15.32 | infobot | takes a big bite out of mce's jugular vein |
| 21:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 21:17.12 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# mission-control --help |
| 21:17.13 | DocScrutinizer | Aborted (core dumped) |
| 21:17.27 | DocScrutinizer | hoooray |
| 21:18.07 | freemangordon | same here |
| 21:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 43508 2010-06-24 09:36 /usr/bin/mission-control SUID! :-o |
| 21:20.16 | DocScrutinizer | POS |
| 21:20.20 | scoobertron | freemangordon: how do I go about reopening this bug then? the webpage seems to give me a pretty restricted list of options (resolved, unconfirmed, verified or closed). Is verified open? |
| 21:20.39 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 21:20.46 | freemangordon | unco? |
| 21:20.54 | DocScrutinizer | yep, I think so |
| 21:21.28 | scoobertron | done. thanks. |
| 21:29.22 | Estel_ | ~lart DocScrutinizer |
| 21:29.22 | infobot | takes out DocScrutinizer with the trash |
| 21:29.30 | Estel_ | sorry, just checking |
| 21:29.33 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 21:30.04 | Estel_ | ~query infobot |
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| 21:32.50 | infobot | strangles Nokia ADHD and ignorance with a 9-pole serial cable, courtesy of estel_ |
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| 21:35.57 | fw190 | nice to read this brainstrom |
| 21:36.10 | fw190 | this gives hope for N900 |
| 21:37.30 | Estel_ | :) I agree. Even more nice to see it's already started to become implemented |
| 21:38.54 | fw190 | finally we are on yhe move- pity that I have no skills to help |
| 21:38.59 | fw190 | the |
| 21:41.37 | fw190 | I was wondering if on maemo.org instead of meego banner we could have Mer or Nemomobile or some kinde of maemo CSSU banner |
| 21:43.49 | merlin1991 | fw190: council offered to have a cssu banner instead of the meego code comp banner |
| 21:44.00 | merlin1991 | but *nobody* offered todo such a banner |
| 21:45.06 | fw190 | how should that banner look like- I have some skilled friends and they could do something |
| 21:46.03 | merlin1991 | I would style it similar to the one for cordia http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/cordia:start |
| 21:46.07 | merlin1991 | er |
| 21:46.10 | merlin1991 | http://static.maemo.org/style_maemo2009/img/banners/cordia_maemo_banner_one_color.png |
| 21:46.20 | merlin1991 | also it should have the same size |
| 21:46.26 | merlin1991 | and should promote cssu stable :) |
| 21:46.34 | merlin1991 | our logo is here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Cssu-108.png |
| 21:47.27 | fw190 | ok. tomorrow I wil ping my friends for some help on that |
| 21:48.24 | merlin1991 | :) |
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| 22:12.54 | scoobertron | can someone remind me how to find my cssu version number |
| 22:16.07 | merlin1991 | settings about cssu |
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