| 00:00.51 | nox- | wasnt there some limit used by default for fmtx power? |
| 00:04.41 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 00:05.01 | nox- | :) |
| 00:13.21 | Macer | omg seriously |
| 00:13.37 | Macer | my imei isn't working? |
| 00:14.20 | Macer | oh. nm. yes it did. |
| 00:16.07 | Macer | ugh. it seriously sucks that i have to do this :) |
| 00:16.22 | Macer | i had a pretty good setup going there |
| 00:16.38 | Macer | can flasher make an image of your phone? instead of using backupmenu? |
| 00:23.36 | Macer | when i run flasher i get a file create error :( |
| 00:24.15 | Macer | i'm trying to flash PR1.3 and i get ERROR: CreateFile, error = 5 |
| 00:24.19 | Macer | any ideas? |
| 00:27.22 | Macer | omg i can't flash this thing!! |
| 00:32.35 | arcean | sounds like "access denied" |
| 00:47.25 | Macer | USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x0 |
| 00:47.28 | Macer | 105. |
| 00:47.31 | Macer | then it just sits there |
| 01:04.03 | Macer | omg i'm totally lost |
| 01:04.09 | Macer | i think my n900 is bricked :( |
| 01:06.40 | Macer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=62783&page=2 |
| 01:06.46 | Macer | i am trying that to restore |
| 01:06.49 | Macer | this sucks so badly |
| 01:18.24 | Macer | blah. got it |
| 01:18.34 | Macer | remember: never use windows for a linux job :) |
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| 12:24.41 | Lava_Croft | flasher works fine on windows |
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| 13:13.55 | neal | where is the cssu's bug tracker? |
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| 14:09.52 | merlin1991 | neal: see /topic, or check the Maemo 5 Community SSU part on bugs.maemo.org |
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| 14:12.00 | merlin1991 | Macer: did you install the current "stable" ? |
| 14:14.04 | neal | merlin1991: Thanks. |
| 14:14.10 | neal | merlin1991: I've reassigned the bug. |
| 14:14.28 | neal | What's the repository I should use to test the upcoming stable version? |
| 14:16.08 | merlin1991 | http://87.106.163.159/maemo/community/community-fremantle.install (runs on my server) |
| 14:16.28 | neal | I'll give it a try soon, thanks |
| 14:16.38 | Macer | no |
| 14:17.01 | merlin1991 | bear in mind that you shouldn't come from testing, or should have modified hildon-desktop installed |
| 14:17.16 | neal | merlin1991: I was going to come from PR1.3, fresh install |
| 14:17.22 | neal | merlin1991: I hope that's okay |
| 14:17.28 | neal | merlin1991: I don't want to "break" anything :) |
| 14:17.54 | merlin1991 | that's fine, you can also install from pr1.3.1 :) |
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| 15:09.12 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 15:09.28 | DocScrutinizer | pokes MohammadAG about T17 |
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| 15:29.00 | neal | camera still works |
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| 16:55.57 | DocScrutinizer | stock UI I hope |
| 16:56.22 | DocScrutinizer | . |
| 16:57.28 | DocScrutinizer | how about http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72789, integrate those into CSSU as they don't exactly need a new kernel? it's just *.ko to *fix an issue with stock/power kernel* |
| 16:58.09 | neal | DocScrutinizer: Apparently the fix is already in the latest power kernel. |
| 16:58.18 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, ok then |
| 16:59.11 | neal | Distributing the fix for the stock kernel would be good |
| 16:59.29 | neal | if we distribute the binary, we need to provide the source, however. |
| 17:00.02 | merlin1991 | tbh I don't think it's that easy |
| 17:00.18 | merlin1991 | we can't overwrite a file from another package with our package |
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| 17:00.31 | neal | dpkg-divert? |
| 17:00.36 | merlin1991 | we'd have to reprovide the full kernel-modules pacakge |
| 17:00.44 | merlin1991 | (I think so at least) |
| 17:00.55 | neal | I think dpkg-divert would do the trick. |
| 17:03.22 | Macer | so how is the official stable release going? |
| 17:04.04 | merlin1991 | waiting for X-Fade to prepare the repo and waiting for Mag to release t-17 |
| 17:04.07 | Macer | j.mp? |
| 17:04.21 | merlin1991 | and also waiting a few days before calling it really stable :) |
| 17:04.22 | Macer | ah so it will be on maemo.org? |
| 17:04.25 | merlin1991 | yes |
| 17:04.32 | Macer | ok. awesome |
| 17:04.36 | merlin1991 | the current location is just a testsetup on my server |
| 17:04.44 | Macer | who runs maemo.org? |
| 17:05.02 | Macer | does nokia still run it? |
| 17:05.30 | merlin1991 | yes it's still run by nokia |
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| 17:20.53 | Macer | for how long? eventually the penny pinchers will turn the servers off |
| 17:20.53 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I'll repeat Doc, where's our long awaited testing release ;) |
| 17:22.41 | Macer | ugh |
| 17:22.51 | Macer | stupid floods in taiwan |
| 17:23.07 | Macer | i have a 4 bay synology that needs 4 3 TB hard drives |
| 17:23.17 | Macer | and 3TB hard drives are 250 :( |
| 17:23.30 | Macer | they were 150 last mnth |
| 17:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | dang |
| 17:29.07 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders if the supermarket next to him still offers the announced 1TB-USB drives for 49€ |
| 17:30.21 | DocScrutinizer | re *.ko, we could do nasty and simply force the change in via postinst mv |
| 17:30.55 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: and act like the fsckd modified-hildon-desktop deb? |
| 17:31.12 | DocScrutinizer | we're "entitled" to do this as we deliver "official" patches to stock system |
| 17:31.45 | merlin1991 | in that case that patch should go straight into kernel-modules |
| 17:32.08 | DocScrutinizer | modulo we're not shipping kernel.modules |
| 17:32.10 | merlin1991 | since official patch to a stock package is NOT another package that ships one file of the original package |
| 17:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | as a pkg |
| 17:32.52 | DocScrutinizer | as metioned before(?) management of *.ko is awkward in linux |
| 17:33.15 | merlin1991 | huh? |
| 17:33.55 | DocScrutinizer | it's a PITA regarding packaging etc |
| 17:34.18 | DocScrutinizer | kinda similar to Nokia's MP |
| 17:35.01 | DocScrutinizer | as kernel comes with a bunch of *.ko and there's no sane way to replace any of those, or just add an additional one |
| 17:35.12 | merlin1991 | imo if we ship it we should ship it over http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-modules/ |
| 17:35.17 | merlin1991 | and that is a sane way |
| 17:36.06 | DocScrutinizer | I'm no packaging wizzard, but I've seen tedious discussions about those cam-drivers |
| 17:36.32 | DocScrutinizer | as well as about kernel-modules-addon |
| 17:36.32 | merlin1991 | well their problem is they can't replace the mp bound modules package |
| 17:36.46 | merlin1991 | but as we are cssu we ofc can do that |
| 17:36.48 | DocScrutinizer | so can't we |
| 17:36.58 | merlin1991 | why can't we? oO? |
| 17:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, only if we break up the jernel-"MP" and ship the whole shit by ourselves from now on |
| 17:38.11 | DocScrutinizer | which of course we *could* do, but gets nasty to maintain that for stock plus all the different custom kernels anyway |
| 17:39.08 | DocScrutinizer | but, as mentioned above: I Aint No Packaging Wizard |
| 17:39.58 | DocScrutinizer | just throwing in my idea of "maybe it would be nice if we could provide a 'fix' for this as well..." |
| 17:40.58 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, knowing of all the tedious discussions spawning from that topic in the past, I probably should have kept my mouth shut |
| 17:41.28 | merlin1991 | from a packaging point of view I see no problem at all |
| 17:41.56 | merlin1991 | if there is a kernel-mp we could make that depend on our new modules package and the rest is just done |
| 17:42.22 | merlin1991 | if not even better, we just ship the dammned modules pkg and are happy |
| 17:42.50 | Sicelo | hi |
| 17:43.00 | merlin1991 | maintaining for other kernels is not our problem since we patch the stock kerenel, other kernels have to incoroprate the fix themselves |
| 17:43.03 | merlin1991 | hey Sicelo |
| 17:43.19 | Sicelo | :) |
| 17:43.34 | merlin1991 | sorry about forgetting to mention that dsmetool -b reboots |
| 17:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: we want to keep CSSU compatible to other kernels though |
| 17:45.39 | Sicelo | no problem ;) |
| 17:45.52 | Sicelo | +1 DocScrutinizer |
| 17:45.53 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: we wouldn't |
| 17:46.07 | merlin1991 | we would only if we depend on the kernel-flasher too |
| 17:46.10 | merlin1991 | wich whould flash the stock kernel |
| 17:46.16 | merlin1991 | wich ofc would be bad |
| 17:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: was quite a bummer to read "do not install PK on CSSU systems, or CSSU on PK systems, as that will result in <whatever major borkage>" |
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| 17:46.54 | merlin1991 | when was that written? |
| 17:47.17 | DocScrutinizer | when we did an epic fail on that |
| 17:47.28 | merlin1991 | doesn't remember that |
| 17:47.29 | DocScrutinizer | was=would be |
| 17:47.36 | merlin1991 | ah :D |
| 17:48.04 | DocScrutinizer | I suck on English sometimes |
| 17:48.17 | merlin1991 | the only thing we could do to other kernels is overwrite them with an update |
| 17:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | installing that fixed *.ko to PK will break it, no? |
| 17:48.48 | merlin1991 | no not at all |
| 17:48.54 | Sicelo | cssu not supporting other kernels would reduce number of users |
| 17:49.05 | merlin1991 | installing that fixed *.ko would simply install that fixed *.ko |
| 17:49.28 | DocScrutinizer | which in turn causes PK to PANIC/OOPS |
| 17:49.50 | merlin1991 | why? |
| 17:50.00 | merlin1991 | doesn't pk use a different /lib/modules folder? |
| 17:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | cause the *.ko vermagic/whatever doesn't match |
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| 17:50.38 | DocScrutinizer | well, that's the question |
| 17:50.53 | merlin1991 | goes and simply checks that |
| 17:50.56 | merlin1991 | once and for all |
| 17:51.06 | DocScrutinizer | the question of "where to would we install that *.ko" |
| 17:51.30 | merlin1991 | /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1 |
| 17:51.35 | merlin1991 | aka stock kernel modules |
| 17:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2009-10-30 12:32 current -> 2.6.28-omap1 |
| 17:52.55 | DocScrutinizer | install our *ko to /kib/modules/current/ and watch BOOOM |
| 17:53.07 | merlin1991 | well wich idiot would do that? |
| 17:53.08 | merlin1991 | huh? |
| 17:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | just saying |
| 17:53.29 | merlin1991 | or rather what kind of idiot package maintainer would create such a fsckd package? |
| 17:54.10 | DocScrutinizer | aiui e.g multiboot is messing with the symlink ^^^ |
| 17:54.33 | merlin1991 | aiui multiboot comes from deeper layers of hell |
| 17:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what a clean PK install looks like |
| 17:55.14 | DocScrutinizer | (hell) that too |
| 17:55.39 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: pk kernel-modules are in /lib/modules/2.6.28.10-power48 |
| 17:55.47 | DocScrutinizer | t900:~# ls -l /lib/modules/ |
| 17:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 19640 Dec 12 2010 2.6.28.10power46 |
| 17:55.50 | DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Dec 12 2010 current -> 2.6.28.10power46 |
| 17:56.16 | merlin1991 | no 2.6.28-omap1 there? |
| 17:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 17:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | above paste comprehensive |
| 17:56.49 | merlin1991 | apt-cache policy kernel-modules? |
| 17:57.18 | DocScrutinizer | kernel-modules: |
| 17:57.19 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.21 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.45 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.46 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.53 | merlin1991 | where the fuck did your modules go then? oO |
| 17:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 17:58.27 | Sicelo | i have oma1 and power47 |
| 17:58.48 | merlin1991 | me suspects evil stuff in power46 modules postinst |
| 17:58.48 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.48 | Sicelo | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 7600 Oct 20 12:57 2.6.28-omap1 |
| 17:58.48 | Sicelo | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 20208 Oct 20 12:57 2.6.28.10-power47 |
| 17:58.48 | Sicelo | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Oct 20 12:57 current -> 2.6.28.10-power47 |
| 17:59.02 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 17:59.05 | merlin1991 | that's what a sane kernel deployment should look like |
| 17:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | multiboot? |
| 17:59.32 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: multiboot on your device? |
| 17:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: not really, wasting space on rootfs |
| 17:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 18:00.14 | DocScrutinizer | but I bet on Sicelo 's |
| 18:00.31 | Sicelo | definitely not. :) |
| 18:00.39 | merlin1991 | I knew it :) |
| 18:00.40 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, nfc then |
| 18:00.51 | merlin1991 | checks power46 source |
| 18:00.55 | DocScrutinizer | I even might have nuked the shit manually |
| 18:01.02 | merlin1991 | sounds like you ;) |
| 18:01.12 | Sicelo | unless mine is unlike doc's due to downgrade from 48 :/ |
| 18:01.20 | DocScrutinizer | you know me, eh? :-) |
| 18:05.44 | DocScrutinizer | ~part #maemo-ssu |
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