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| 07:24.54 | *** topic/#maemo-ssu is Maemo Community SSU channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version: 20.2010.36-2maemo16 |
| 07:25.27 | DocScrutinizer | mine? nfc, I refused to update since dunno xmas |
| 07:25.40 | freemangordon_ | why? |
| 07:25.48 | DocScrutinizer | never felt like force-replacing my stock apps |
| 07:26.09 | DocScrutinizer | by new crippled segfaulting versions |
| 07:26.59 | freemangordon_ | You should try this one, really. Cudos do the guy who made modest patches, it is fast as a lightning now. |
| 07:27.22 | DocScrutinizer | gives a flying F about modest, really |
| 07:27.36 | freemangordon_ | it is up to you man |
| 07:27.46 | DocScrutinizer | sure, sorry |
| 07:28.08 | freemangordon_ | no problem, why should I feel offended |
| 07:28.19 | freemangordon_ | it is your n900 |
| 07:28.21 | DocScrutinizer | just my amount of mail is simply not manageable on a phone |
| 07:28.31 | freemangordon_ | sure |
| 07:28.54 | DocScrutinizer | and missing threading in modest makes it useless anyway |
| 07:29.35 | DocScrutinizer | I'm one of the weird persons that keep their sent mail in the inbox, to have inbound and answers in one thread |
| 07:30.31 | DocScrutinizer | modest failing epically on that, same on attachments realy |
| 07:30.40 | freemangordon_ | :-D |
| 07:31.00 | freemangordon_ | have to drive |
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| 08:54.26 | alien__ | hi, is there a changelog of the latest Community SSU update, that I saw this morning on my N900? |
| 08:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ |
| 08:55.38 | Creteil | The changelog is not already updated, as you can see by yourself here : http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog |
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| 09:11.22 | alien__ | thanks Creteil DocScrutinizer |
| 09:17.03 | alien__ | thanks for everyone for the great work |
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| 09:51.07 | RST38h | Mohammad: Is it ok that the maemo-pr-* package gets reported as "held back"? |
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| 10:41.46 | Creteil | hi arcean |
| 10:43.29 | arcean | Creteil: hi |
| 10:43.52 | arcean | have you tried to build patched h-d? |
| 10:43.54 | Creteil | Well, I have leave a message on TMO about this night patch ... |
| 10:44.04 | arcean | k |
| 10:44.31 | Creteil | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1083391&postcount=611 |
| 10:46.01 | Creteil | The new was properly handled in the code, desktop leave properly locked to landscape when the key was true, BTW, the application 'phone' stick always in landscape with this option ... |
| 10:46.15 | Creteil | The new GCONF KEY was properly handled in the code, desktop leave properly locked to landscape when the key was true, BTW, the application 'phone' stick always in landscape with this option ... |
| 10:46.56 | arcean | will try to reproduce, sec |
| 10:47.27 | Creteil | Always reproduceable on my side :-) |
| 10:48.36 | arcean | Creteil: you mean "Phone" app or a answer call dialog? |
| 10:48.42 | arcean | s/a/an |
| 10:49.03 | Creteil | Phone app |
| 10:49.28 | arcean | you just start Phone app and it turn to landscape? |
| 10:49.33 | Creteil | yes |
| 10:50.04 | arcean | for me, everything's correct :P |
| 10:50.15 | Creteil | You must be able to reproduce on your side ... |
| 10:50.17 | Creteil | :-( |
| 10:50.19 | Creteil | ouch |
| 10:50.43 | arcean | please check settings of the Phone app |
| 10:50.58 | arcean | regarding window's orientation |
| 10:51.02 | Creteil | already done that |
| 10:51.22 | arcean | and what value is set? |
| 10:51.28 | Creteil | I have fixed it to portrait mode |
| 10:52.21 | arcean | could you try any other app, like e.g. Settings? |
| 10:53.44 | Creteil | wait one I need to put back the package with this patch because since I was annoyed by this behavior I have put back the precedent version with pushing the version number to 15 like this one ... |
| 10:55.55 | arcean | Did you restart after you installed modified h-d? |
| 10:56.31 | Creteil | just killall hildon-desktop |
| 10:57.11 | arcean | that's enough to make hildon-desktop crazy regarding screen rotations ;D |
| 10:57.18 | Creteil | ok |
| 10:57.45 | arcean | it would be better to restart Maemo after h-d installation |
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| 10:57.54 | Creteil | I have finished to compile/scp to the device/dpkg -i the_package, now I'm gona reboot the device, stay tunned ... |
| 11:00.47 | Creteil | Damn, in parallel I'm flashing 60 Nokia E7 (RM-626) to anna with Phoenix, too much long time to flash one device properly :-( ... |
| 11:01.43 | arcean | wow |
| 11:01.56 | arcean | flashing n900 is just a couple of seconds :D |
| 11:02.16 | psycho_oreos | and very verbose ;) |
| 11:02.54 | Creteil | arcean, nothing to see on the E7 side, at least with 'anna' version of symbian^3, 'belle' look promising ... |
| 11:04.12 | Creteil | but Nokia s*x actually, they put out 3 new phones with 'belle' and leave in stand-by the high end terminals (N8, E7) to the 'anna' version ... |
| 11:04.45 | Creteil | oops sorry I omitted you are here to see if your patch work properly ... |
| 11:05.39 | Creteil | ok, the GCONF KEY is on true (so locking the desktop always in landscape mode), let me see phone app right now (I like suspens) ;-) |
| 11:06.14 | Creteil | Cool, it work !!! |
| 11:06.20 | arcean | :) |
| 11:06.37 | Creteil | So, the problem was only 1 reboot !!! |
| 11:06.56 | arcean | yep |
| 11:07.07 | Creteil | tsss |
| 11:07.45 | Creteil | I'm gona put this f******g smartphone to the trash right now !!! ;-) |
| 11:07.47 | arcean | this is the weirdness of the h-d |
| 11:08.08 | freemangordon_ | arcean : seems lots of users are caught in reboot loop because of portrait wallpaper, anything could be done? |
| 11:08.10 | RST38h | Creteil: Can I have it instead? |
| 11:08.27 | Creteil | RST38h, sorry too late :-) |
| 11:08.33 | Creteil | mouahahahhaha |
| 11:08.50 | arcean | freemangordon_: the best thing is it's working for me |
| 11:09.11 | arcean | freemangordon_: but i'm doing another reflash and will try with clean install |
| 11:09.13 | Creteil | Hi freemangordon_ !!! |
| 11:09.28 | freemangordon_ | hi |
| 11:09.37 | Creteil | freemangordon_, take care to users reports ... |
| 11:10.01 | freemangordon_ | you mean which? |
| 11:10.11 | Creteil | When I read troubles of users in the kernel-power-v48 I'm sometime pissing on my shoes :-) |
| 11:11.24 | Creteil | Problems are many noobs try many things without understanding exactly if it's good or not for the usage they have of their device ... |
| 11:11.49 | RST38h | Thank you for pointing it out to us all, Captain |
| 11:11.49 | infobot | RST38h: no worries |
| 11:12.14 | arcean | lol |
| 11:15.12 | Creteil | Damn, on my side what I see, is I can do anything with my N900, sometime I'm driving, someone a big Boss call me, expose me his problem, during that I park the car, open the N900, connect to the lan-TO-lan corporate openvpn, and finally ask the big Boss to send me a remote control |
| 11:15.23 | RST38h | btw how do I find out what is holding back a package |
| 11:16.51 | Creteil | RST38h, what do you mean exactly ? |
| 11:18.21 | RST38h | When apt-get says "packages kept back: I would like to know which dependency is keeping them back |
| 11:19.52 | scoobertron | RST38h: that might be because new packages need to be installed to update everything. apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade everything and install new packages where needed. I think. |
| 11:21.00 | scoobertron | I think that if a package depends on a version of another package which is not available, it will tell you which one is causing the problem |
| 11:21.28 | Creteil | So, just install the other, and after that the update must continue ... |
| 11:23.36 | RST38h | dist-upgrade kills N900 dead by removing all the currently installe dpackages |
| 11:24.07 | RST38h | So, back to my original question: how do I find which package keeps my package back? |
| 11:24.18 | Creteil | RST38h, I didn't use dist-upgrade especialy if extra-devel activated :-) |
| 11:24.32 | RST38h | sighs |
| 11:24.46 | Creteil | RST38h, what does output 'apt-get upgrade' exactly ? |
| 11:25.00 | RST38h | never mind |
| 11:25.06 | Creteil | :-) |
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| 11:49.22 | Creteil | arcean, have a look at : http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1083391&postcount=611 |
| 11:49.23 | Creteil | ;-) |
| 11:50.28 | arcean | thanks, test it carefully ;) |
| 11:50.41 | arcean | it would be great to include it in the next update |
| 11:57.16 | Creteil | Sure !!! |
| 12:03.51 | ThreeM | is there any changelog for cssu |
| 12:03.53 | ThreeM | ? |
| 12:04.02 | arcean | not yet |
| 12:11.00 | scoobertron | arcean: sorry if this has been answered, but is it possible to lock the desktop to portrait mode in the latest cssu update? |
| 12:11.42 | Creteil | arcean, look easy, same as my request, but in the other side :-) |
| 12:12.02 | arcean | scoobertron: there's no such functionality |
| 12:12.33 | arcean | Creteil: but it would require support for portrait mode from all apps |
| 12:12.39 | scoobertron | no problem, I think I might have been confused by some of the forum chatter. Thanks for all your work. |
| 12:12.52 | arcean | ahh, desktop portrait mode :facepalm: |
| 12:12.53 | Creteil | arcean, ah ok ... |
| 12:13.00 | Creteil | yes |
| 12:13.13 | arcean | i thought we are talking about system-wide forced portrait mode |
| 12:13.33 | arcean | should be doable |
| 12:13.55 | arcean | but i'm not sure how the apps will behave |
| 12:14.22 | Creteil | but you need to change the boolean key for a numerical one, something like that : 0 -> auto desktop, 1 -> lock landscape & 2 -> lock portrait ... |
| 12:15.02 | arcean | 3 -> inverted landscape 4 -> inverted portrait 5 -> unknown? :D |
| 12:15.41 | scoobertron | 5 perminantly runs the rotation transition animation - it could be spinny mode |
| 12:15.52 | arcean | yeah :D |
| 12:15.56 | Creteil | lol |
| 12:15.58 | Creteil | :-) |
| 12:16.01 | arcean | instead of the reboot loop |
| 12:16.15 | barzam | but the new cssu features the portrait mode that was previously avaliable in the forum right? |
| 12:16.23 | Creteil | 6 -> leave the vibrator ON :-) |
| 12:16.29 | Creteil | what about that ? :-) |
| 12:16.32 | Creteil | mouahahahhaa |
| 12:17.46 | scoobertron | arcean: this is a random question, but would it even be possible to copy wp7s homescreen setup, where rather than discrete desktops, you scroll up and down one extended desktop? |
| 12:18.59 | arcean | you mean one big desktop instead of 4? |
| 12:20.16 | scoobertron | yep. |
| 12:21.38 | arcean | should be possible |
| 12:24.16 | arcean | is trying force portrait desktop thing... |
| 12:25.06 | scoobertron | I don't know why but I like the idea of just having a big stack of widgets on the desktop that I scroll up and down. |
| 12:41.33 | arcean | nope, hildon-desktop is not prepared to be forced into portrait mode |
| 12:43.11 | MohammadAG | it is, HILDON_PORTRAIT_MODE_REQUEST on everything |
| 12:43.35 | arcean | MohammadAG: i mean, desktop itself |
| 12:44.01 | MohammadAG | good point |
| 12:44.02 | arcean | MohammadAG: crashes during startup |
| 12:44.06 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, removed the packages? |
| 12:44.07 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 12:44.15 | MohammadAG | landscape then go to portrait after init |
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| 12:47.19 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, freemangordon_ arcean debian/changelog had a changelog |
| 12:47.27 | MohammadAG | ~lart DocScrutinizer for not checking that |
| 12:47.27 | infobot | stamps DocScrutinizer on the forehead with the official Troll marker for not checking that |
| 12:47.50 | freemangordon_ | :-D :-D :-D |
| 12:48.35 | Creteil | ~seen pali |
| 12:48.45 | infobot | pali <~quassel@ip-88-212-34-237.antik.sk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 17d 20h 5m 42s ago, saying: 'I'm going offline.'. |
| 12:50.26 | MohammadAG | RST38h, apt-get install <package being held back> |
| 12:50.41 | MohammadAG | so, I hear Kasvopus was f'd? |
| 12:50.51 | freemangordon_ | yep |
| 12:51.01 | MohammadAG | any idea why? |
| 12:51.07 | MohammadAG | it's closed source afaik btw |
| 12:51.12 | freemangordon_ | it set gl as graphics system at startup |
| 12:51.15 | MohammadAG | it's qml, which is plaintext, but still closed |
| 12:51.18 | freemangordon_ | no, gpl2 |
| 12:51.20 | MohammadAG | so? |
| 12:51.33 | MohammadAG | OpenGL is f'd? |
| 12:51.40 | freemangordon_ | seems like |
| 12:51.43 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 12:52.11 | freemangordon_ | anyway there are some patches upstream for that |
| 12:52.18 | freemangordon_ | i think |
| 12:52.30 | MohammadAG | well, 4.7.0 again? |
| 12:52.34 | MohammadAG | <3 QML |
| 12:52.39 | freemangordon_ | why that |
| 12:53.36 | MohammadAG | lots of QML apps |
| 12:54.04 | freemangordon_ | let me try to find what the problem is, will decide after that |
| 12:57.37 | freemangordon_ | and I don't think all qml apps are screwed, anly those that use gl painting |
| 12:57.38 | RST38h | Mohammad: Thanks, Mohammad. It worked! |
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| 13:02.20 | RST38h | Is there a way to DISABLE desktop rotation? |
| 13:02.30 | RST38h | (and why is it enabled by default???) |
| 13:03.05 | MohammadAG | RST38h, no to the first one, second question is rhetorical |
| 13:03.09 | arcean | RST38h: https://gitorious.org/~arcean/community-ssu/arceans-hildon-desktop-dl |
| 13:03.28 | RST38h | Mohammad: ????? |
| 13:03.41 | ThreeM | is hildon portrait mode now part of cssu? |
| 13:03.43 | RST38h | Mohammad: You do know that it is unusable in the portrait mode??? |
| 13:03.58 | freemangordon | why is that |
| 13:04.04 | MohammadAG | no, I don't :p |
| 13:04.44 | freemangordon | RST38h - why it is unusable in portrait mode? |
| 13:04.48 | RST38h | Mohammad: Well, the widget arrangement that people normally have on their desktops is adjusted to the landscape mode. Whendesktop goes portrait, all widgets mess up |
| 13:05.02 | RST38h | It becomes an instant clusterfuck |
| 13:05.04 | freemangordon | then move them wherever you like, damn. |
| 13:05.25 | MohammadAG | RST38h, there's no algorithm to auto sort them |
| 13:05.33 | MohammadAG | sort them, they're be saved in a separate gconf |
| 13:06.15 | MohammadAG | there's no algorithm implemented* |
| 13:06.18 | MohammadAG | Jaffa made the concept |
| 13:07.05 | scoobertron | RST38h: so it remembers your preferred layout for portrait and landscape modes |
| 13:07.40 | ThreeM | can i have separate widgets in portrait mode and in landscape mode? that would be awesome :) |
| 13:07.57 | amiconn | would also prefer his desktop to stay in landscape mode |
| 13:09.29 | amiconn | I see no point in portrait mode on N900 with merely two exceptions: The telephony app, and viewing portrait images in the image viewer |
| 13:10.26 | scoobertron | amiconn: I use it for large desktop feed-style widgets. a fullscreen twitter feed works better in portrait mode. |
| 13:10.52 | scoobertron | which is not to say that everyone wants that, but it does have some advantages for some people. |
| 13:13.22 | amiconn | Yeah, hence it should be configurable, and imo the default should be to not rotate |
| 13:15.18 | amiconn | Other features which are much less intrusive (e.g. the alternative rotation animation) do have a sane default |
| 13:16.56 | scoobertron | I think there was some talk earlier about that being difficult to implement (I was asking about locking it to portrait). So the only way to have desktop rotation at all is to have it enabled. You might be able to disable it by installing the default hildon desktop package manually - there was some discussion of this in the hildon-desktop portrait thread |
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| 13:24.26 | cityLights | MohammadAG: got a paypal account? |
| 13:24.41 | cityLights | I want to controb 10$ |
| 13:24.51 | cityLights | s/controb/contrib/ |
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| 13:27.07 | freemangordon | MohammadAG - metapackage seems brocen it misses osso-calculator-ui as a dependency |
| 13:27.14 | freemangordon | *broken |
| 13:27.51 | freemangordon | so one need to apt-get upgrade to have cssu calculator |
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| 13:35.16 | arcean_ | amiconn: https://gitorious.org/~arcean/community-ssu/arceans-hildon-desktop-dl |
| 13:37.12 | RST38h | Ah so there are TWO layouts one for each mode??? |
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| 13:39.41 | scoobertron | RST38h: yep |
| 13:40.52 | RST38h | cooooool |
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| 14:25.55 | freemangordon | MohammadAG : ping |
| 14:33.17 | cityLights | yes, mee too |
| 14:35.18 | freemangordon | arcean__ : ping |
| 14:41.29 | freemangordon | guys , need some developer's help |
| 14:50.30 | Braxen | 8 hours later and no changelog? Are everyone sleeping or what? :v |
| 14:52.54 | andre__ | freemangordon, so ask your question... |
| 14:54.26 | peetah | Braxen: what about you dig into gitorious and write something ? |
| 14:55.08 | arcean | freemangordon: pong |
| 14:55.18 | freemangordon | have about 5 minutes? look here http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/4.7/src/opengl/qwindowsurface_gl.cpp line 420. How setPartialUpdateSupport(); will be called few lines bellow if ctx->d_func()->eglContext->configAttrib(EGL_SWAP_BEHAVIOR); retrurns BAD_ATTRIBUTE, or whatever error code it could return? |
| 14:56.31 | freemangordon | Because it seems like Kasvopus bug, just need to be sure |
| 14:56.51 | freemangordon | And I am too stupid today :D |
| 14:57.57 | Creteil | Braxen, here is some explanations : the cssu update come something like at midnight (European time), I have personally upgraded at approx 3am, and here in the channel all devels are up listening at rants from people like me, you, etc ... |
| 14:57.59 | Creteil | So, even if devels sleep during today, I think they can :-) |
| 14:58.38 | freemangordon | arcean__: and haveNOKSwapRegion == false for sure |
| 14:59.49 | Creteil | just learned how to flash multiples E7 in one shot under Phoenix (it's less boring at all ...) ;-) |
| 15:02.10 | arcean | freemangordon: (ctx->d_func()->eglContext->configAttrib(EGL_SURFACE_TYPE)&EGL_SWAP_BEHAVIOR_PRESERVED_BIT) is also false? |
| 15:03.11 | freemangordon | have no idea, most probably yes, because the end result is "QEgl::eglSwapBuffersRegion2NOK() called but EGL_NOK_swap_region2 extension not present" and that seems to be spit only when setPartialUpdateSupport(true); has been called |
| 15:03.23 | arcean | Braxen: changelog (not full): https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/mp-fremantle-community-pr/blobs/master/debian/changelog |
| 15:04.48 | alien__ | thanks for the changelog |
| 15:05.15 | alien__ | regarding desktop rotation, it seems the icons are misplaced when positioned vertically |
| 15:06.03 | freemangordon | alien__ - move them to a place you like, they will stay there |
| 15:06.22 | alien__ | great, thanks! |
| 15:06.23 | RST38h | BTWis it possible to have different sets of icons for landscape vs portrait? |
| 15:06.28 | freemangordon | the same as in landscape |
| 15:06.34 | Creteil | alien_ : the 1st time you need to put them in the right place for the 2 orientations (in this case the vertical orientation) ... |
| 15:06.37 | RST38h | And different settings for each applet? |
| 15:06.52 | freemangordon | AFAIK no |
| 15:07.34 | arcean | settings are the same |
| 15:07.41 | alien__ | freemangordon: the problem is that if the screen is full of widgets in horizontal orientation, those might not fit in vertical mode |
| 15:07.43 | arcean | only different positions |
| 15:08.09 | alien__ | for example weather, mail, calendar and media player |
| 15:08.23 | freemangordon | rearrange them to fit |
| 15:08.38 | alien__ | they can't fit |
| 15:09.32 | alien__ | but I got them to sort of fit, with minimum overlapping |
| 15:13.21 | alien__ | also, I would appreciate an "align to grid" feature :) |
| 15:13.56 | alien__ | but this rocks, thanks! |
| 15:14.28 | arcean | alien__: Fixes: NB#142941 - Snap to grid for Home applets/shortcuts |
| 15:14.37 | arcean | looks like it's implemented already |
| 15:14.47 | alien__ | how? |
| 15:15.00 | arcean | no idea:D |
| 15:15.43 | Creteil | Have a look at transition.ini |
| 15:15.43 | RST38h | Use CSSU Configurator, set up a bigger gird step |
| 15:15.47 | arcean | in transitions.ini is something about snap to grid |
| 15:16.15 | alien__ | thanks |
| 15:16.21 | alien__ | so there's no UI yet |
| 15:17.44 | BCMM | "Landscape dialogs rotate properly in portrait mode." - i need to trust people less... i assumed there was something wrong in my application when the dialogs behaved weirdly on rotation |
| 15:18.01 | BCMM | 'File manager "Save as"' - was that a bug were it didn't add file extensions? |
| 15:18.12 | BCMM | ^where |
| 15:20.05 | freemangordon | no, it was bug causing kernel krash on KP48, and reboot on other kernels with RD mode enabled |
| 15:20.11 | freemangordon | *crash |
| 15:21.47 | freemangordon | And maybe there is something wrong in your application anyway, as "landscape..." fix is only for thumbnails int tasknav |
| 15:21.55 | freemangordon | *in |
| 15:22.47 | alien__ | RST38h: you mean cssufeatures? |
| 15:24.16 | freemangordon | ping arcean__ and MohammadAG |
| 15:31.17 | arcean | freemangordon: ^ |
| 15:32.51 | freemangordon | this is the kasvopous bug, changing both setPartialUpdateSupport calls with false fixex rendering. Do you have any clue what the correct check should be? |
| 15:32.57 | freemangordon | I change it to bool swapBehaviourPreserved = (ctx->d_func()->eglContext->configAttrib(EGL_SWAP_BEHAVIOR) == EGL_TRUE); |
| 15:33.26 | freemangordon | but anyone with any opengl knowledge should confirm it |
| 15:39.09 | arcean | freemangordon: I have no idea, but as long as it calls setPartialUpdateSupport(false) should be ok |
| 15:39.33 | freemangordon | :D yep, creating MR |
| 15:41.29 | freemangordon | looks similar https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com//browse/QTBUG-18755 |
| 15:55.09 | freemangordon | MohammadAG - new MR here https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/merge_requests/5 |
| 15:55.48 | freemangordon | and please update Qt debian/changelog on gitorious |
| 15:56.13 | arcean | grabs some sandwitches and thermos of tea |
| 15:56.25 | arcean | it's time to debug hildon-home :D |
| 15:57.07 | freemangordon | wish you luck |
| 16:19.35 | freemangordon | arcean - looked at you MR for hd, didn't try it, but I have feeling it will not cooperate with task navigator (whtelist part). Did you leave that for me? |
| 16:20.01 | arcean | freemangordon: works fine |
| 16:20.38 | arcean | IIRC because of hd_comp_mgr_client_supports_portrait(..) |
| 16:21.09 | freemangordon | open Calendar application, press the menu and select settings. Now go to task navigator. |
| 16:21.25 | freemangordon | Does it look OK? |
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| 16:21.42 | freemangordon | everithing landscaped? |
| 16:21.45 | arcean | sec, i have to restore working h-home :P |
| 16:21.50 | freemangordon | everything* |
| 16:21.56 | freemangordon | no hurry |
| 16:22.32 | freemangordon | I was just wondering. Anyway I will try it later, sorry to interrupt your debugging |
| 16:25.13 | arcean | do you remember calendar's window name for blacklist line in transitions.ini? |
| 16:26.17 | arcean | ah, just 'calendar' :D |
| 16:28.14 | BCMM | anyone else unable to install -2maemo16? |
| 16:28.49 | arcean | freemangordon: so settings dialog is messed up |
| 16:28.51 | BCMM | i get "Application packages missing: QtQuick Compatibility Plugin (>= 0.1.0+0cssu1)" |
| 16:29.24 | BCMM | i have tried installing qtquickcompat with apt-get, per the FAQ, but "qtquickcompat is already the newest version." |
| 16:30.31 | BCMM | the installed version is 0.1.0 |
| 16:34.07 | arcean | BCMM: apt-get update? |
| 16:39.28 | freemangordon | arcean: it is Calendar, capital C |
| 16:40.04 | arcean | freemangordon: settings window is messed up |
| 16:40.13 | arcean | in task switcher |
| 16:40.26 | freemangordon | so? |
| 16:40.31 | freemangordon | fix it :D |
| 16:40.36 | arcean | :D |
| 16:40.57 | freemangordon | what do you mean messed up? |
| 16:41.12 | freemangordon | is it rotated? |
| 16:41.23 | arcean | freemangordon: looks completly different than it should |
| 16:42.00 | freemangordon | with a press button in a middle of nowhere? |
| 16:42.05 | arcean | yes, rotated, squasched |
| 16:42.07 | freemangordon | push* |
| 16:42.34 | arcean | the thing is, that Settings dialog rotate window to landscape |
| 16:42.46 | arcean | and in task switcher app window is in portrait |
| 16:43.11 | freemangordon | did you blacklist Calendar? |
| 16:43.19 | freemangordon | with capital C |
| 16:43.19 | arcean | no |
| 16:43.28 | freemangordon | so, what do you expect |
| 16:43.32 | arcean | forcerotation is also turned off |
| 16:43.38 | freemangordon | do you have forcerotation on? |
| 16:43.41 | freemangordon | ahaa |
| 16:45.18 | freemangordon | maybe you should extend is_blacklisted(..) with a check for forcerotation disabled then |
| 16:45.44 | freemangordon | or just leave it to me, i know how this bitch works |
| 16:46.44 | arcean | i'm wondering if we are able to set HILDON_PORTRAIT_SUPPORT on app window |
| 16:46.52 | freemangordon | but I won't have today, maybe will have tomorrow |
| 16:46.53 | BCMM | arcean: have done; had errors to do with mozilla's broken repos, but nothing that should effect CSSU |
| 16:47.00 | arcean | that would be a proper way |
| 16:48.07 | freemangordon | don't think so, it could be overwritten by application itself, phone-ui as example |
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| 16:48.39 | freemangordon | see, leave tasknav to me, i have another fix in mind, so will combine them |
| 16:48.48 | arcean | ok |
| 16:49.14 | BCMM | changelog says "QtQuickCompat nulled, included in Qt 4.7.4" - what does "nulled" mean? I would have assumed that that meant that the package would no longer be required. is qtquickcompat-0.1.0+0cssu1 supposed to be a dummy package or what? |
| 16:50.15 | arcean | BCMM: yes, it's dummy package |
| 16:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I agree and aleays did, with your idea of disabling rotation |
| 16:53.08 | RST38h | Well, looks like the portrait mode is not thatbad after all, but I still think it has to have a disable option in transitions.ini |
| 16:53.15 | DocScrutinizer | it's the most annoying 'improvement' of CSSU, and it's on by default, despite I thought we got another policy for CSSU |
| 16:54.56 | freemangordon | Actially it is very useful, makes lots of tasks easyer especialy while driving. |
| 16:55.38 | freemangordon | damn, my English gets worse and worse every day. |
| 16:59.42 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not driving, and if I were I mustn't touch my phone. And I only noticed the inadvertent rotation comes in my way all the time and almost caused me to throw the N900 against the wall |
| 17:00.38 | scoobertron | If desktop rotation can be made optional, it would be nice to have the option to lock the desktop to portrait as well. |
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| 17:04.52 | DocScrutinizer | NB it's NOT the rotation that annoys hell out of me, it's AUTOrotation |
| 17:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | get an enabler button for rotation (e.g. camera focus-switch) and lock rotation in the current position as long as that button isn't pressed, and I'm a happy camper (I hope) |
| 17:06.51 | BCMM | ah, the problem is my apt-preferences. sorry. |
| 17:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | if your concept doesn't allow this, then you did a mayor OOPSIE when you did the design |
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| 17:24.25 | freemangordon_ | Did I understand correctly that you are not using latest CSSU |
| 17:25.21 | dos1 | hi |
| 17:25.27 | dos1 | who is in charge of camera-ui from CSSU? |
| 17:33.05 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon_: yes |
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| 17:35.54 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: hah, camera-ui, another point. Never should've made its way into CSSU, as it's a simple "stupid" app that's not really entangled with the system. No need to force it into an alternative system config, it could live happily as a normal app like the other 2000, and all it *might* need was a config option to select which camera-ui starts up when you open the lens door |
| 17:36.36 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: yup, i know your opinion :) |
| 17:36.43 | dos1 | and now i understand it even better |
| 17:36.48 | dos1 | as i got bitten by bug in it :P |
| 17:36.49 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 17:39.50 | DocScrutinizer | blocker bug? |
| 17:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. does it render the camera useless for you? |
| 17:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: I recently learnt it's easy to roll back to stock camera anyway \o/ |
| 17:42.00 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart DocScrutinizer for not getting a bookmark on how to roll back to stock cam |
| 17:42.00 | infobot | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at DocScrutinizer for not getting a bookmark on how to roll back to stock cam |
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| 17:50.29 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: well, not really useless, but it's overwriting photos taken with other apps |
| 17:50.43 | dos1 | and i'm pretty sure it didn't before last update |
| 17:50.49 | DocScrutinizer | OUCH |
| 17:51.25 | DocScrutinizer | that'S even worse that an app completely failing. It's touching the holy grail of embedded, it destroys user DATA |
| 17:51.42 | DocScrutinizer | than* an app |
| 17:51.51 | dos1 | good that i discovered it early so i lost only one photo of my dog ;] |
| 17:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | that's a definitive showstopper bug |
| 17:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | in my book it should cause CSSU update to get taken off the repos |
| 17:53.04 | DocScrutinizer | *A*S*A*P* |
| 17:54.31 | dos1 | there's also another one bug, but only annoying - when camera shutter is closed when photo preview is displayed (and photo preview time is set to infinite), it has to be closed in order to make another photo, cause after opening shutter it displays "open shutter" window |
| 17:54.39 | dos1 | and on closing it returns to photo preview |
| 17:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: please HOLLER about that, warn other users on channels as prominent as you could figure |
| 17:55.41 | DocScrutinizer | (data corruption isse that is) |
| 17:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | issue* |
| 17:56.12 | dos1 | so: |
| 17:56.14 | dos1 | WARNING: it seems that camera-ui from newest CSSU is overwriting photos taken by another applications (like BlessN900)!!! |
| 17:56.16 | dos1 | ;) |
| 17:58.09 | dos1 | is there anyone who could look at it and probably revert camera-ui to older version ASAP? |
| 17:58.14 | dos1 | (or better - fix it?) |
| 18:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | sorry I dunno who's in charge of nicocam maintenance |
| 18:03.04 | dos1 | it seems that camera-ui just remembers number of last taken photo |
| 18:03.36 | dos1 | this number is increased without checking, if file with such (increased) number already exists |
| 18:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | basically CSSU feels like one of those DVDs with collections of free apps you find in printed magazines every now and then |
| 18:05.26 | DocScrutinizer | ""we packaged and shipped it for you. For any support or questions you might have, please contact the original author, not us" |
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| 18:15.46 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: indeed the camera-ui shouldn't even try to open-for-write an existing file, I think that should be a mode in fopen() that's incorrectly set in nicocam |
| 18:17.39 | DocScrutinizer | umm no, a quick man fopen tought me there's no "noglobber" mode for fopen() |
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| 18:22.02 | DocScrutinizer | though: >>Glibc Notes: The GNU C library allows the following extensions for the string specified in mode: x Open the file exclusively (like the O_EXCL flag of open(2)). If the file already exists, fopen() fails, and sets errno to EEXIST.<< |
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| 18:28.11 | thingie | Hi, I was about to install community-ssu (http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU), but I did not have proper internet connection by the step 3, so I had to kill the download. Is it ok to just run HAM update now? When I rerun the Community SSU app again, it just tells me it's already set up. |
| 18:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | I'd prepare for all sorts of nasty effects. I don't think there's a clean resume in CSSU install procedure |
| 18:33.51 | thingie | so perhaps I should remove and reinstall the community ssu app and try it again? |
| 18:34.23 | DocScrutinizer | otoh HAM is running a "normal" update after the installation, so this step can get resumed any time |
| 18:34.43 | thingie | it really looked just like apt-get install something |
| 18:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | sorry afaik there *is no* way to uninstall cssu |
| 18:35.03 | thingie | so i have to do it anyway :) no problem then :) |
| 18:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, just go ahead, if problems arise reflash to clean PR1.3 and restart from scratch with CSSU |
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| 18:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: btw aren't you supposed to work on SHR all day and night? ;-P |
| 18:46.49 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: i am! (well... almost ;)) |
| 18:48.20 | dos1 | but until we support sms and reach some basic stability i have to use maemo sometimes too ;) |
| 18:49.11 | sunkan | I don't use SIP that often but it has not been working after I updated to CSSU (took the plunge on the previous release) now with the new version 16 it still does not work. Is this a known issue, or is it not even related to the CSSU? |
| 18:50.09 | sunkan | I am missing the "use for telephone numbers" option in the advanced settings which makes it impossible to initiate a call. Also incoming calls just terminate immediately. |
| 19:00.33 | DocScrutinizer | see my post on that topic on tmo - it's not related to CSSU but rather to an occasional apt-get autoremove |
| 19:01.50 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70875&highlight=sip fo your convenience |
| 19:02.22 | sunkan | Yes I just found something about rtcom-accounts-voip-support.. Which I just reinstalled, the option turned up.. Rebooting now to find out if everything works. |
| 19:02.35 | sunkan | Will check that URL out too thanks. |
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| 19:03.19 | sunkan | Yep, seems to work now after reboot! Great |
| 19:04.09 | DocScrutinizer | don't forget to thank on tmo! |
| 19:04.12 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 19:05.40 | DocScrutinizer | it's labeled "thanks for this USEFUL post", not "thanks for that funny post" |
| 19:05.47 | sunkan | But I found it here https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11831 ;) |
| 19:05.49 | povbot | Bug 11831: Removal of mp-fremantle-*-pr breaks apt autoremover |
| 19:06.33 | amiconn | How can the camera app overwrite photos taken by another application? Afair blessn900/ abc uses a different naming scheme |
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| 19:12.18 | Creteil | freemangordon, are you up ? |
| 19:12.55 | DocScrutinizer | sunkan: so you should add a comment to ticket 11831 |
| 19:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | amiconn: I wondered as well, but maybe blessn900 or fcam are smart enough to *config* the naming scheme to your liking ;-P |
| 19:14.23 | DocScrutinizer | no matter how it happened, it MUST NOT happen, never ever |
| 19:15.00 | DocScrutinizer | no app may delete old data by overwriting it, unless it's data created by the app and considered obsolete |
| 19:15.48 | DocScrutinizer | this case neither fulfills #2 nor #3 of above |
| 19:16.45 | DocScrutinizer | storing a picture is by definition not an operation that includes any unlink/overwrite on files |
| 19:18.10 | DocScrutinizer | >>The GNU C library allows the following extensions...: x Open the file exclusive... If the file already exists, fopen() fails...<< |
| 19:18.35 | DocScrutinizer | not using this system function when storing a photo is a bug |
| 19:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: you already filed a bug against that? |
| 19:27.30 | dos1 | amiconn: blessn900 uses the same naming scheme for me when doing standard shots |
| 19:27.53 | dos1 | amiconn: i was trying to do "shallow" photo, but it failed due to low amount of light and stored standard photo instead |
| 19:28.03 | dos1 | amiconn: later i discovered that it disappeared |
| 19:28.15 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: you already filed a bug against that? |
| 19:28.22 | dos1 | amiconn: then tested both apps a bit and noticed that it gets overwritter |
| 19:28.32 | dos1 | amiconn: not yet, i'm busy a bit... |
| 19:28.35 | dos1 | but i will today |
| 19:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | at me? |
| 19:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | I'm already about to file a ticket |
| 19:29.02 | amiconn | Ah ok; never tried 'standard' mode, only 'HQ' |
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| 19:29.27 | dos1 | oh, sorry, yes |
| 19:29.30 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: at you |
| 19:30.17 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: ok, then file it, thanks in advance |
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