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| 01:15.52 | fawad_ | http://weblog.raganwald.com/2006/08/dear-agile-metaprogrammer.html |
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| 06:28.01 | x86 | FAWAD HALIM |
| 06:28.17 | x86 | :p |
| 06:39.31 | L|NUX | not online |
| 06:39.32 | L|NUX | ;) |
| 06:59.47 | x86 | gah ;) |
| 08:02.59 | maplist | http://www.bitsbytespixelssprites.com/blog/2006/08/12/coca-cola-gta-commercial/ |
| 08:41.01 | maplist | http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF186-Guntron_Alliance_Force.png#177 |
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| 19:11.30 | pundai | hey fawad you're going to buy this book for me right http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1558603204/103-9299206-0263007?v=glance&n=283155 |
| 19:13.14 | fawad | holy frig. |
| 19:13.25 | fawad | i thought the book i'm hankering to buy was expensive. |
| 19:13.45 | pundai | which book is that |
| 19:13.56 | fawad | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470018704/sr=1-2/qid=1155496420/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-1783844-7548855?ie=UTF8&s=books |
| 19:14.20 | pundai | wilmott is such a playboy |
| 19:14.32 | fawad | you've heard of him? |
| 19:14.41 | pundai | i work in the field?? |
| 19:14.49 | fawad | oooo. |
| 19:14.51 | pundai | hehe |
| 19:14.59 | fawad | what exactly does your company do? |
| 19:15.28 | fawad | i'm trying to learn the basics of finance. |
| 19:15.39 | fawad | a guy at work gave me a pdf of some chapters from his book. |
| 19:15.55 | pundai | are you trying to learn about financial derivatives, or finance |
| 19:16.10 | pundai | because the former is a can of worms |
| 19:16.13 | fawad | finance. |
| 19:16.25 | fawad | as in financial models. |
| 19:16.30 | pundai | can of worms |
| 19:16.34 | fawad | heh. |
| 19:16.51 | fawad | what book do you recommend for a complete newbie |
| 19:16.56 | pundai | i think i learnt best starting from bonds and bootstrapping |
| 19:17.05 | pundai | i got raped as a newbie, so i can' tell you |
| 19:17.25 | pundai | but i can tell you that if you start from bonds, you'll have a more intuitive understanding of finance |
| 19:17.27 | fawad | where did you learn this stuff? |
| 19:17.34 | pundai | @ work |
| 19:17.38 | fawad | oh. |
| 19:18.13 | pundai | in reality, after you get past all the gibberish about distributions, etc, valuation of different derivative instruments is very similar |
| 19:18.29 | pundai | something which my company has failed to grasp, still |
| 19:19.02 | pundai | fawad, do you have a highly mathematical background |
| 19:19.38 | fawad | not very, no. |
| 19:20.02 | pundai | in retrospect, i would have liked to have started out with bonds and fixed income instruments |
| 19:20.07 | pundai | just vanilla |
| 19:20.17 | pundai | thats the best i can suggest |
| 19:20.18 | fawad | but how did you learn what you did? |
| 19:20.27 | fawad | on the job stuff? |
| 19:20.29 | pundai | just reading |
| 19:20.33 | pundai | and testing |
| 19:20.35 | fawad | reading what? |
| 19:20.40 | pundai | reading lots of books |
| 19:20.46 | pundai | there hasn't been one thats stood out |
| 19:20.46 | fawad | which books? |
| 19:20.49 | fawad | oh. |
| 19:21.03 | pundai | i've been lucky enough to have a ton of books available |
| 19:21.11 | fawad | i mean, i've done the numbers for a lot of attributions, but i don't know what i did. |
| 19:21.17 | pundai | people suggest john hull's options book, but that is really quite boring |
| 19:21.26 | pundai | whats an attribution |
| 19:21.41 | fawad | attribution models like fixed income, stock level, etc. |
| 19:22.28 | pundai | well i'd suggest you start with fixed income |
| 19:22.57 | fawad | do you recommend any online resources. |
| 19:23.00 | pundai | fortunately, i had a week long course to indoctrinate me :) |
| 19:23.10 | fawad | aha. |
| 19:23.27 | pundai | nope, no online stuff... |
| 19:23.52 | pundai | all i can really suggest is get a book on vanilla fixed income valuation, sit there with an excel spreadsheet or python and work through the examples |
| 19:23.58 | pundai | then you'll have an intuitive feel for finance |
| 19:24.01 | fawad | good idea. |
| 19:24.10 | fawad | thanks. |
| 19:24.35 | pundai | then you can move onto the more complicated stuff which involves discounting, forward rates, etc, which you'll already have an intuitive feel for |
| 19:25.35 | pundai | but trust me, after you do the bonds, you'll realize that its so simple and the most annoying part is the different accrual and day count conventions |
| 19:25.44 | maplist | i need to learn me some of that finance stuff |
| 19:25.47 | pundai | no you dont |
| 19:26.00 | pundai | well i'm lying, it is kind of fun |
| 19:26.16 | maplist | seeing that i work for pkFINANCE.info, i should, you know, show some interest. |
| 19:26.21 | pundai | hehe |
| 19:26.41 | pundai | very few people actually understand it in my experience, me being one |
| 19:27.55 | fawad | i was never very interested in finance, |
| 19:28.07 | pundai | the more advanced stuff is really cool |
| 19:28.17 | fawad | but i think i need to learn it at this job. |
| 19:28.30 | pundai | im trying to find some of the graphs i fooled around with while we were developing a pde solver |
| 19:28.35 | fawad | unfortunately, we consultants are the bottom of the barrel. |
| 19:28.53 | fawad | we don't get any training and are thrown in head first to work with it. |
| 19:29.51 | pundai | you get paid $$$! |
| 19:30.20 | pundai | unfortunately, i can't find the plots, sorry :) |
| 19:30.27 | pundai | they were so nice! |
| 19:31.57 | fawad | i don't. |
| 19:31.59 | fawad | my boss does. |
| 19:32.03 | fawad | h1, remember? |
| 19:32.44 | pundai | dang |
| 19:32.47 | pundai | when you gonna get off that |
| 19:33.38 | fawad | i don't know, man. |
| 19:33.52 | fawad | i'm guessing at least 2 more years. |
| 19:34.22 | pundai | you could've been a canadian citizen by now |
| 19:34.22 | fawad | maplist: you so ripped the pkfinance.info logo from npr. |
| 19:34.26 | pundai | wtf |
| 19:34.26 | fawad | yea.h |
| 19:34.26 | pundai | http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/ |
| 19:34.41 | fawad | i'm contemplating applying for canadian immigration now. |
| 19:35.17 | pundai | i can't read any of that |
| 19:35.22 | pundai | but is that his blog?! |
| 19:36.12 | fawad | click on the us flag on the right. |
| 19:36.17 | fawad | that's got the english translation. |
| 19:36.59 | pundai | holy crap |
| 19:37.09 | pundai | i wonder if he calls it the interweb |
| 19:37.52 | fawad | man, say what you will, he gets mucho points for being web 2.0 ajax compliance. |
| 19:38.06 | pundai | i think hes got balls |
| 19:38.13 | fawad | sure does. |
| 19:39.21 | pundai | "enter Iran into western civilization slavishly, so many schemes were implemented that Iran becomes another market for the western ceremonial goods without any progress in the scientific field." |
| 19:39.25 | pundai | interesting |
| 19:39.31 | pundai | btw, you're all on the list now and you can thank me |
| 19:39.50 | fawad | hahaha. |
| 19:42.14 | pundai | "Although I had nose bleeding during the test, but I became 132nd student among over 400 thousand participants." |
| 19:42.19 | pundai | too much detail? |
| 19:42.21 | pundai | heh |
| 19:42.27 | pundai | that can't really be his writing... |
| 19:46.04 | fawad | you never know. |
| 19:46.29 | pundai | sounds like a softie |
| 19:49.30 | pundai | haha i sent him a question |
| 19:50.05 | pundai | omfg, theyre using vb.net |
| 19:50.06 | pundai | hahahaha |
| 19:50.07 | pundai | omfg |
| 19:50.10 | pundai | im sorry |
| 19:50.12 | pundai | thats just too funny |
| 19:56.05 | pundai | MAN I WANT THAT BOOK! |
| 20:00.45 | maplist | actually, i ripped off a fake npr logo |
| 20:01.03 | maplist | someone made a fake web 2.0-ish npr logo, i stole it |
| 20:02.13 | maplist | one of my younger brother's application for a green card's been stuck on "name check" for two years. |
| 20:03.20 | pundai | do as the chinese do: go through canada first |
| 20:04.19 | maplist | i'd be surprised if he wrote the english version of the text. |
| 20:04.31 | pundai | well im sure he didnt write the english version |
| 20:04.42 | pundai | but in any case, hes pretty human :) |
| 20:05.21 | maplist | i thought of doing the canadian thing, but i dunno, decided it would be too hard for unedjumacated me. |
| 20:05.50 | pundai | how are you unedjumacated? |
| 20:05.55 | pundai | you seem pretty edufied to me |
| 20:06.00 | maplist | plus the guilt of leaving my parents here alone. they're growing old. i may not help out much, but (i hope) i'm better than nothing. |
| 20:06.19 | maplist | i don't have a bachelors degree, which apparently hurts with the point system |
| 20:06.23 | pundai | you go canada, you make $$$ (not, its a lie), you bring parents |
| 20:06.25 | pundai | dang |
| 20:06.36 | fawad | maplist: you're married, right? |
| 20:06.39 | maplist | nope. |
| 20:06.45 | fawad | oh, dang. |
| 20:06.55 | maplist | and working for naseeb.com for 20 months has not changed that! |
| 20:07.11 | fawad | heh. |
| 20:07.32 | pundai | that opening graphic makes it seem like a gay muslim site |
| 20:07.32 | maplist | my parents don't want to move, pundai |
| 20:07.35 | pundai | you know, with all the guys |
| 20:07.45 | pundai | maplist, i know, my parents are going to move back |
| 20:07.58 | fawad | pundai: it's on rotation. |
| 20:08.04 | pundai | oh its rotated |
| 20:08.06 | pundai | good stuff |
| 20:08.17 | maplist | my mom's brother moved to canada in 1978 or so. he's a chemical engineer, worked for mobil or some other oil company. |
| 20:08.24 | pundai | is he rich |
| 20:08.26 | maplist | he tried to get my parents to move too, but my mom didn't want to. |
| 20:08.40 | fawad | oh, i think you get points for relatives in canada too. |
| 20:08.45 | maplist | heh. i don't know! |
| 20:08.52 | maplist | (to pundai's question) |
| 20:08.54 | pundai | yeah you get points for relatives |
| 20:09.11 | pundai | UNDEFINED FUNCTION TO: |
| 20:09.37 | maplist | yeah, but i couldn't use those points until last year/this year, because in 1979 or so, he got sent over to aramco in saudi arabia, and lived there for 25+ years |
| 20:09.42 | fawad | man, saba is a total hottie: http://www.naseeb.com/domains/pf-profile.php?uname=saba_ahmed |
| 20:10.02 | maplist | easier link: users.naseeb.com/saba_ahmed |
| 20:10.28 | maplist | you're going to find this real funny, but... |
| 20:10.29 | fawad | ah. |
| 20:10.34 | maplist | i am user #1 on naseeb. |
| 20:10.57 | pundai | wtf |
| 20:11.00 | fawad | did you write it from scratch? |
| 20:11.15 | maplist | no |
| 20:11.44 | maplist | when we got the live server all set up and ready to go on october 19, 2003, monis told everyone at the office to login and test stuff out |
| 20:11.44 | pundai | well apparently you're getting lots of signups as we speak! |
| 20:11.51 | maplist | before then we'd only useed it on the dev server |
| 20:12.01 | fawad | pundai: i'm guessing that's a javascript based counter. |
| 20:12.02 | maplist | i am #1. monis is #2. |
| 20:12.12 | pundai | fawad, me tooo |
| 20:12.13 | fawad | kinda like the storage space counter on gmail. |
| 20:12.38 | pundai | well its time for me to heat up my kheema roti |
| 20:13.29 | maplist | can you use naseeb tubes? |
| 20:13.29 | maplist | http://www.naseeb.com/tunes/home.php |
| 20:14.10 | pundai | maplist, working for me |
| 20:14.27 | fawad | tubes? |
| 20:14.28 | maplist | ah, okay. didn't know if it was for paying users only. |
| 20:14.32 | maplist | tunes, sorry |
| 20:14.38 | maplist | typing through lag |
| 20:14.39 | fawad | as in tubes the interweb runs on? |
| 20:15.33 | fawad | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySIsaqAW2jM |
| 20:15.46 | maplist | suppose one were to build a vacuum tube computer that hooked up to the internet. i wonder what the smallest number of tubes you'd need for a computer that did tcp/ip. |
| 20:16.07 | pundai | there you go |
| 20:16.08 | fawad | 95 |
| 20:16.15 | pundai | http://www.naseeb.com/tunes/?bnID=1 |
| 20:16.19 | pundai | hes actually pretty good |
| 20:17.16 | pundai | maplist, what player are you using? |
| 20:18.15 | maplist | player for what? |
| 20:19.05 | pundai | nm |
| 20:21.50 | maplist | i just gave most of my site users access to paid features, and sent everyone email. an "independence day" promotion. |
| 20:21.51 | maplist | let's see how many take advantage of that. |
| 20:25.13 | maplist | http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/13/michigan.arrests/index.html |
| 20:26.33 | maplist | that cnn article doesn't link up the phones with the bridge at all. |
| 20:28.25 | pundai | maplist, obviously they planned to throw the phones over the bridge in an attempt to electrocute the river |
| 20:29.00 | pundai | luckily it was foiled |
| 20:29.04 | pundai | by the freedom warriors |
| 20:29.28 | maplist | http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060813/NEWS99/60813002 |
| 20:29.32 | maplist | some more details ehre |
| 20:29.33 | maplist | here |
| 20:29.35 | maplist | apparently this is the second set of people arrested for buying lots of phones |
| 20:30.13 | fawad | or maybe they wanted to use the phones to chat incessently on busses and trains to annoy the heck out of other passengers. |
| 20:30.29 | pundai | fawad, i believe they were going to sell them to newly arrived chinese people |
| 20:30.34 | pundai | to cause the most damage |
| 20:30.45 | fawad | heh. |
| 20:31.10 | maplist | i hope they arrest mr bananaphone rafi, too! |
| 20:31.32 | pundai | though i guess it is kind of suspect :) |
| 20:31.39 | pundai | "hey, i have a large family ok, i'm punjabi" |
| 20:31.46 | pundai | "we all live in the same house" |
| 20:32.09 | fawad | ttyl. going out for a bit. |
| 20:32.18 | maplist | oh, wait. raffi is canadian. drat |
| 20:39.16 | maplist | a ha, tracfones are gsm |
| 20:39.18 | maplist | which means people can buy them, unlock them, and use them anywhere in the world. if tracfones are subsidized (cheap), someone can make a lot of money by shipping them outside the states. |
| 20:44.08 | maplist | http://debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/08/all-american_te.html |
| 20:44.11 | maplist | search for "tend to agree with Lawmans points" |
| 20:44.14 | maplist | and read that comment |
| 20:44.19 | maplist | they sell for $50+ on ebay |
| 20:45.47 | pundai | there you go |
| 20:46.00 | pundai | theyre going to explode bridges in europe with those phones |
| 20:48.21 | maplist | or china! http://www.alibaba.com/manufacturer/13876937/Buy_Nokia_Tracfone_1100.html |
| 20:49.13 | pundai | ignorance is awesome |
| 20:51.55 | maplist | see, stuff like that also makes me not want to move to canada. |
| 20:52.20 | pundai | i hear you |
| 20:54.05 | pundai | Baumgartel said his client’s mother works for an airport near Dearborn and that the paperwork was part of a training seminar she attended. He said the men were traveling in her vehicle. |
| 20:54.13 | pundai | well that explains the list |
| 20:54.24 | pundai | i definitely *dont* want to move to usa, thats for sure |
| 20:56.32 | maplist | but...the weather's so much nicer! |
| 21:15.54 | maplist | fsm! http://tinyurl.com/klb3c |
| 21:18.18 | pundai | so any more conversations on lp.net |
| 21:18.47 | pundai | maplist, wtf is that |
| 21:19.28 | maplist | flying spaghetti monster |
| 21:26.17 | pundai | of course |
| 21:27.27 | pundai | maplist, will you buy that book for me? k thx |
| 21:52.28 | pundai | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjmH8rZn6Fk&mode=related&search= |
| 22:43.54 | maplist | must sleep. |
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| 22:59.27 | jojomonkey | hey |
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| 23:52.08 | jojomonkey | fawad, yo |
| 23:52.29 | fawad | jojomonkey: !!! |
| 23:52.33 | fawad | what's going on, dude? |
| 23:53.09 | jojomonkey | not much, just chatting w/ some friends |
| 23:53.29 | jojomonkey | you? |
| 23:53.45 | fawad | same here. |
| 23:53.53 | fawad | just got back from shopping for junk food. |
| 23:54.10 | fawad | how's work coming along/ |
| 23:54.22 | fawad | s/\//\?/ |
| 23:54.33 | jojomonkey | so you go shopping for good food at other times? |
| 23:54.44 | fawad | nope. i leave that to my mom. |
| 23:54.45 | jojomonkey | not bad |
| 23:54.50 | jojomonkey | heh |
| 23:55.19 | fawad | what city are you living in, again? |
