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| 09:33.10 | nayyares | apt: h r u |
| 09:33.43 | nayyares | apt: nayyares hahahhaha |
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| 13:01.41 | adi_crux | hello |
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| 13:16.29 | adi_crux | hello |
| 13:16.33 | adi_crux | again lol |
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| 15:35.31 | S^P | hi fawad: |
| 15:35.50 | adi_crux | i think he is buzy |
| 15:37.11 | S^P | :) Dont expect to have a rapid reply from any one here mind it :) |
| 15:40.40 | fawad | ahoy hoy! |
| 15:42.57 | S^P | fawad: I got another job :) |
| 15:43.55 | S^P | fawad: in opentechpk.com |
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| 15:44.54 | S^P | nayyares: hi sir |
| 15:45.05 | fawad | S^P: so leaving? |
| 15:45.12 | fawad | what's this company's name, btw? |
| 15:45.25 | nayyares | S^P, how are you? |
| 15:46.41 | S^P | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.48 | nayyares | S^P, fine |
| 15:46.58 | nayyares | S^P, whats up? |
| 15:47.31 | S^P | nayyares: i decided to join opentechpk.com . I think on it and i think i can gain more thier |
| 15:47.49 | S^P | its development and technical support assistant |
| 15:48.16 | S^P | gain = knowledge |
| 15:57.33 | fawad | S^P: so you're going to be doing tech support? |
| 15:58.10 | nayyares | fawad, btw, which company you serve ? |
| 16:00.26 | S^P | fawad: yes that can help me working in open source and work for YOPER as well |
| 16:10.10 | fawad | nayyares: Task Performance Group |
| 16:10.32 | nayyares | fawad, as a ? |
| 16:11.33 | fawad | consultant |
| 16:12.00 | nayyares | nice dude |
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| 17:45.12 | S^P | MSN messenger working? |
| 17:45.45 | u_int32_t | hi shanali |
| 17:45.48 | u_int32_t | havent seen u around |
| 17:46.12 | shanali | bcuz i haven't been around :) |
| 17:46.34 | shanali | just happen to see this grp so decided to join... |
| 17:46.35 | nayyares | u_int32_t, hahah, this guy has some thing to show :) |
| 17:46.52 | u_int32_t | nayyares, get help |
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| 17:53.30 | shanali | so how's linux doing in pakistan with ~3000 users... |
| 17:53.43 | shanali | any opensource project to check out? |
| 17:54.13 | tehmasp | thats not a really accurate number IMO |
| 17:54.22 | shanali | hmm... |
| 17:54.36 | shanali | our IT workforce should be more then that right? |
| 17:55.10 | shanali | students from LUMS, FAST, SZABIST all must be very well versed with linux... |
| 17:55.21 | tehmasp | yeah, def. , i thought you were talking about only linux users |
| 17:55.55 | tehmasp | well , i wish they would come to lp.net , because that's not the feeling i get |
| 17:56.23 | shanali | well.... but somehow indians are excelling in localizing linux faster then us... by localizing i mean providing linux to masses in their own language... |
| 17:56.38 | tehmasp | yeah, i know what you mean, |
| 17:56.43 | tehmasp | check out the bengalis |
| 17:56.55 | tehmasp | they've done it |
| 17:56.58 | shanali | we should have done it earlier then them (bcuz we can always tap on to arabic/persian ports which existed much much earlier then sansikrit) |
| 17:57.09 | shanali | unfortunate it is... |
| 17:57.28 | shanali | but then may be we are much ahead in english ;) |
| 17:57.36 | tehmasp | well , you're not the first to say this, the problem is that no one actually does anything |
| 17:57.53 | shanali | correct! |
| 17:58.25 | shanali | infact i got stuck with the font... before someone do anything we really need a correct urdu font... (which only lately is made available by FAST i think) |
| 17:58.30 | u_int32_t | just talk about the problem till some indian does it |
| 17:59.18 | tehmasp | u_int32_t: :) |
| 17:59.51 | shanali | well.. i didn't mean to be sarcastic... |
| 18:00.52 | tehmasp | it's not even that, no one really thinks about lp.net as a community, most people just think about it as a place to go to ask questions, that's why it's so difficult to build the culture , out of 3000 users barely anyone comes to lug meetings, |
| 18:01.32 | shanali | somehow or rather... i don't see much project listings on sourceforge.net by pakistanis... which makes me wonder that we got such a smart brain in computing where are all the hobbyist? |
| 18:01.43 | tehmasp | i don't want to complain really ,cause im miles and miles away, but that's the state of things, there doesn't seem to be enough people who see the potential of what lp.net can be |
| 18:02.07 | shanali | lug meetings should consider throwing free lunch/drinks ;) |
| 18:02.21 | shanali | just kiddin! |
| 18:02.22 | tehmasp | where does the money come from then? |
| 18:02.44 | tehmasp | see that's the whole thing, what's more impt. the food or learning about linux |
| 18:02.48 | tehmasp | ? |
| 18:02.56 | shanali | :) correct |
| 18:03.07 | shanali | i said that to lighten up the mood... |
| 18:03.07 | fawad | ahoy hoy. |
| 18:03.19 | u_int32_t | err |
| 18:03.20 | u_int32_t | food |
| 18:03.22 | tehmasp | fawad, yo |
| 18:03.33 | u_int32_t | should have said whats more impt at a lug meeting |
| 18:03.39 | S^P | lnms.sourceforge.net |
| 18:03.59 | S^P | khyberlinux.net <<<< who the hell gona supports us tell me |
| 18:04.48 | fawad | ok folks, now for something completely different. which phone should i get? |
| 18:04.58 | fawad | nokia 6800 or motorola c650 ? |
| 18:05.02 | tehmasp | what service first? |
| 18:05.12 | fawad | am thinking t-mobile. |
| 18:05.30 | fawad | i dont use the phone a lot, and t-mobile is the cheapest. |
| 18:05.36 | tehmasp | yeah, that's what i have, but i thought t-mobile was like exclusive nokia |
| 18:06.56 | tehmasp | ok , do you need a phone or a computer, ? |
| 18:07.05 | nayyares | S^P, you should email Musharaf for including your projects in next financial year budget :) |
| 18:08.12 | tehmasp | cause this 6800 is ridiculous.... isn't t-mobile offering some free phones? |
| 18:08.20 | S^P | nayyares: hehe i got job now i can manage it alone as it is the one and the only my project :) |
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| 18:08.56 | fawad | no, there are a bunch of options available on www.letstalk.com |
| 18:09.15 | fawad | the 6800 is coming out to be free. |
| 18:09.20 | fawad | so are 4 other phones |
| 18:09.23 | nayyares | S^P, you are doing job to support this project :( |
| 18:09.55 | tehmasp | fawad, really? damn, isn't it like 250-300 retail? |
| 18:10.58 | S^P | nayyares: no job is for my future and khyberlinux is a part of my future |
| 18:11.50 | nayyares | S^P, :) , ASIF wants to learn howto SQUID and he will come to learn from Islamabad :) |
| 18:12.09 | S^P | I did sms Zeenix that i wana talk to him but no reponce :) |
| 18:13.00 | nayyares | S^P, I told him that install FC3 and ssh my SQUID , copy all config files, but he wants some hands-on-practice sessions , ahahha |
| 18:13.07 | S^P | nayyares: ASIF is like this from the begining hahah i think he likes driving hehehe |
| 18:14.10 | S^P | nayyares: haah so get ready to reconfigure SQUID soon :) |
| 18:14.11 | fawad | tehmasp: the website says it's $100 |
| 18:14.27 | tehmasp | ah |
| 18:14.33 | nayyares | S^P, d'nt tell him about this , but he is a bit confuz when start self-study |
| 18:15.05 | nayyares | S^P, i hope , he will get ride of this shortcome, soon |
| 18:15.27 | nayyares | S^P, otherwise i have to reconfigure many servers, many times :) |
| 18:16.20 | nayyares | S^P, any way , i d'nt want to discourage him. |
| 18:17.08 | S^P | nayyares: He likes distro in which no server is invole and he wana learn all server :) strange |
| 18:18.03 | nayyares | S^P, Zeenix might be running after that 19 girl ;) , are might be cought by her brother(s), he might need your help. |
| 18:18.36 | fawad | ok folks, off to jumma |
| 18:20.15 | S^P | nayyares: hahah u knw my experience is so bad haha |
| 18:20.15 | S^P | nayyares: I was asking him about that teenage girl in CAP in this morning but he was not willing to reply me back :) |
| 18:20.45 | S^P | nayyares: He soon be in finland ( InshALLAH) thats the palce for him hehehe |
| 18:21.37 | S^P | nayyares: they will reply him on monday. :) today he was with his passport and wants to renew it for germany viza:) |
| 18:22.14 | nayyares | S^P, he is going to germany or finland ? |
| 18:22.55 | S^P | nayyares: germany for the conference and finland for the job |
| 18:23.33 | S^P | nayyares: he had his interview the day before yesterday and will be confirmed on coming MONDAY. |
| 18:23.53 | nayyares | S^P, hmm |
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| 18:44.06 | u_int32_t | fawad, do i want to use fsfs or b |
| 18:44.26 | u_int32_t | bdb |
| 18:50.52 | u_int32_t | fawad, fawad fawad fawad blink blink blink |
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| 18:56.47 | Zeenix | hello |
| 19:02.03 | S^P | hi did u get my sms? |
| 19:02.08 | S^P | Zeenix? |
| 19:02.16 | Zeenix | S^P: no |
| 19:02.30 | S^P | can i c u now? |
| 19:04.36 | Zeenix | S^P: why ? |
| 19:04.57 | Zeenix | S^P: i only have 1-2 hours and i've to complete something today |
| 19:05.15 | S^P | ok |
| 19:05.46 | Zeenix | S^P: anything very important? |
| 19:06.29 | S^P | ya about the job |
| 19:06.54 | Zeenix | S^P: so just tell me |
| 19:07.00 | Zeenix | S^P: if not here, then privmsg me |
| 19:09.11 | u_int32_t | here here |
| 19:21.34 | fawad | back. |
| 19:21.38 | fawad | u_int32_t: fsfs |
| 19:22.05 | u_int32_t | fawad, yep |
| 19:22.07 | u_int32_t | got that |
| 19:22.14 | u_int32_t | fawad, im almost orgasming with subclipse |
| 19:22.24 | fawad | ain't it cool? |
| 19:22.46 | fawad | btw, the 'Pending Changes' panel is synchronized in almost realtime. |
| 19:23.52 | u_int32_t | i have to read the mnaual |
| 19:23.52 | u_int32_t | i want to be able to have quick diffs |
| 19:24.41 | fawad | this year's april fool's jokes are quite crappy. |
| 19:25.06 | u_int32_t | yes |
| 19:25.12 | u_int32_t | #c++ became ##java |
| 19:25.13 | Zeenix | fawad: talking about planet kde showing planet gnome and the viceversa? :) |
| 19:25.43 | fawad | http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=101968 is kinda ok. |
| 19:25.55 | fawad | Zeenix: they are? |
| 19:26.12 | fawad | holy crap. they are. |
| 19:28.17 | u_int32_t | fawad, how the hell do you set up quick diff in eclipse |
| 19:29.50 | fawad | i dont know what that is. |
| 19:30.49 | Zeenix | fawad: any criticism pending from your side regarding my yesterday's blog? |
| 19:33.28 | u_int32_t | fawad, would you recommend a staging area for assembling stuff |
| 19:33.56 | fawad | Zeenix: nope. i didn't get much of it. |
| 19:34.13 | fawad | u_int32_t: assembling stuff meaning for importing into svn? |
| 19:34.32 | fawad | yeah, that's almost always a good idea. |
| 19:34.38 | Zeenix | fawad: i couldn't make it easier, comrade! :) |
| 19:35.07 | fawad | i must be really dense then, herr Zeenix. |
| 19:35.57 | u_int32_t | fawad, no assembling stuff as in building products |
| 19:36.24 | u_int32_t | fawad, its gonna work like this: I have a core module, and lots of modules that depend on the core |
| 19:36.57 | u_int32_t | im thinking, the build process would check out the core module, build all the object files, check out each module required, build those object files, then link in one big orgy |
| 19:37.27 | u_int32_t | the more and more i think about it |
| 19:37.30 | u_int32_t | the more i think i need scons |
| 19:38.28 | fawad | oh. |
| 19:38.45 | Zeenix | fawad: you might want to follow the blogs of this guy: http://www.advogato.org/person/johnnyb/ |
| 19:38.49 | fawad | and by one big orgy, you're talking about static linking among the modules? |
| 19:39.10 | fawad | excuse me while i go puke. |
| 19:50.51 | Zeenix | http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-listproc/ |
| 19:50.58 | Zeenix | http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-memory/ |
| 19:51.02 | Zeenix | http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-highfunc.html |
| 19:51.08 | Zeenix | for those interested |
| 19:51.11 | u_int32_t | fawad, why are you puking |
| 19:51.16 | u_int32_t | also fawad yes static linking |
| 19:51.38 | u_int32_t | heres a technique for using better lists |
| 19:51.45 | u_int32_t | #include <vector> using std::vector; |
| 19:51.54 | u_int32_t | or |
| 19:52.00 | u_int32_t | #include <list> uisng std::list; |
| 19:52.23 | u_int32_t | no need for ugly void * casts |
| 20:09.49 | fawad | u_int32_t: at the idea of static linking. |
| 20:10.04 | fawad | i am using std::list, thanks you very much. |
| 20:10.06 | u_int32_t | fawad, why |
| 20:10.21 | fawad | modularity and all. |
| 20:10.29 | u_int32_t | why would i dynamically link stuff I build myself thats going to be a stand-alone component |
| 20:10.52 | fawad | but you just said that these are seperate modules. |
| 20:11.38 | u_int32_t | idea is to be able to have a configurable product |
| 20:11.44 | u_int32_t | right now everything is one big blob |
| 20:11.47 | u_int32_t | that does A B C |
| 20:11.51 | u_int32_t | D E F G H I J K L M N O P |
| 20:12.09 | u_int32_t | so if we want to sell something that just does J K L, i'd have to build and link |
| 20:12.54 | u_int32_t | build separately and then link that is |
| 20:12.56 | fawad | right. |
| 20:13.43 | Zeenix | does anyone know about a time-accelerator |
| 20:14.04 | Zeenix | i can't wait till monday-tuesday.. |
| 20:14.20 | u_int32_t | so fawad i dont think dynamic linking would accomplish that |
| 20:17.37 | fawad | oh. |
| 20:17.47 | fawad | cant you conditionally load libraries? |
| 20:18.05 | u_int32_t | sure |
| 20:18.11 | fawad | Zeenix: why? you getting hitched or something? |
| 20:18.11 | u_int32_t | but if we're selling it just to do J K L |
| 20:18.13 | S^P | Zeenix: use sleeping pills :) |
| 20:18.53 | Zeenix | fawad: the movial guys said they'll be contacting me earlier next week |
| 20:19.05 | Zeenix | fawad: so it's damn hard for me to wait for it |
| 20:19.27 | Zeenix | S^P: nice idea but my mother wouldn't let me do such a thing |
| 20:20.06 | fawad | Zeenix: watch a chick flick. |
| 20:20.09 | fawad | puts me right to sleep. |
| 20:20.25 | Zeenix | fawad: chick flick? |
| 20:20.51 | S^P | Zeenix: call teenage one hahahha |
| 20:21.08 | Zeenix | S^P: i really really wish i could :) |
| 20:21.22 | u_int32_t | Zeenix, you're a cradle robber |
| 20:21.44 | fawad | http://members.aol.com/KShaskan/chickflick.html |
| 20:23.28 | Zeenix | u_int32_t: ? |
| 20:26.20 | u_int32_t | Zeenix, ? |
| 20:26.32 | Zeenix | u_int32_t: what's a cradle robber? |
| 20:27.05 | fawad | ? |
| 20:27.11 | u_int32_t | apt google cradle robber |
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| 20:30.39 | fawad | u_int32_t: now this is pretty damn strange: |
| 20:30.49 | u_int32_t | fawad, what is |
| 20:31.01 | u_int32_t | check this out error C2039: 'abs' : is not a member of 'std' |
| 20:31.08 | fawad | the first link apt returned defines what you alluded to. |
| 20:31.41 | fawad | however, if i do the same query on google.com, it has links to Cradle Robber, the Palm OS software. that link is nowhere on the front page. |
| 20:32.32 | Zeenix | u_int32_t: can you simply tell me your implied meaning here? |
| 20:33.39 | u_int32_t | Zeenix, it depends on how old you are |
| 20:33.48 | Zeenix | u_int32_t: 24 |
| 20:34.10 | u_int32_t | fawad, know how to import an existing source tree in vs.net like in eclipse |
| 20:34.58 | u_int32_t | omfg tortoisesvn++ |
| 20:39.04 | fawad | yeah dude. it r0x0rz. |
| 20:39.32 | fawad | u_int32_t: right click project, import, file system, and take it from there. |
| 21:00.49 | Zeenix | u_int32_t: how much a call to ontario costs you? |
| 21:01.35 | Zeenix | fawad: which part of my blog/article you did get? |
| 21:18.12 | u_int32_t | fawad, there is no import |
| 21:18.22 | u_int32_t | theres add existing item |
| 21:19.05 | u_int32_t | Zeenix, something like 4c/min |
| 21:19.43 | Zeenix | u_int32_t: so you can give me sis. a message by phone or SMS on her cell-phone? |
| 21:19.49 | Zeenix | s/me/my/ |
| 21:28.35 | u_int32_t | Zeenix, why |
| 21:30.41 | Zeenix | u_int32_t: well, i wanted to have a chat with her and i am unable to trace her through email or IM |
| 21:31.10 | u_int32_t | so wait till you get in touch with her? |
| 21:31.15 | u_int32_t | or use paki penguins caller stuff |
| 21:31.30 | u_int32_t | anyway im @ wrk now so i cant call atm |
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| 22:23.22 | u_int32_t | fawad, please man |
| 22:23.25 | u_int32_t | im going nuts with visual stuido |
| 22:23.28 | u_int32_t | help! |
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| 22:29.52 | fawad | u_int32_t: in vs.net? |
| 22:30.08 | fawad | yeah, use add existing items in that. |
| 22:30.22 | fawad | i don't think add existing items is recursive. |
| 22:30.33 | fawad | nor does it give you the kinda filtering eclipse import from filesystem does. |
| 22:30.43 | u_int32_t | frickin ass |
| 22:31.27 | fawad | you can, however, drag a directory on a project and have that recursively added. |
| 22:31.52 | u_int32_t | nope |
| 22:33.14 | fawad | you can't? |
| 22:33.17 | fawad | damn, that's sucky. |
| 22:33.21 | u_int32_t | yes it is |
| 22:33.27 | u_int32_t | fundamentally broken |
| 22:34.19 | u_int32_t | im thinking of writing some python to generate a .vcproj file fo rme |
| 22:35.37 | fawad | you've got that much existing code, huh? |
| 22:36.56 | u_int32_t | no |
| 22:36.59 | u_int32_t | well |
| 22:37.00 | u_int32_t | sort of |
| 22:37.02 | u_int32_t | atleast 80 files |
| 22:37.08 | u_int32_t | probably faster to write something to do it |
| 22:37.51 | fawad | well, 80 files isn't a lot. |
| 22:38.04 | fawad | probably not worth writing a script for. |
| 22:53.08 | u_int32_t | well i'd like to maintain the structure and be able to sync it periodically too |
| 23:01.42 | fawad | i'm like, so outta here. |
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| 23:13.48 | u_int32_t | plus its more fun |