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15:39.38barlasWelcome fawad :)
15:45.35fawadhey barlas!
15:46.18barlasAOA fawad :)
15:46.41barlaswhats up?
16:03.36fawadnot too much. work, mostly.
16:03.42fawadhow about you?
16:04.16barlasexams are finished, just killing my time
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16:08.09fawadu_int32_t: freenode allowing tor now?
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17:49.03Zeenixhi
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17:54.10crazy_chi guys
17:54.52Zeenixhello
17:55.02crazy_cany one here know perl
17:55.11crazy_chello zeenix
17:55.57crazy_ci am facing problem in pattren matching
17:56.55Zeenixsorry, no perl know-how :(
17:57.33crazy_c:(
18:00.59fawadcrazy_c: what's the problem?
18:04.29Zeenixfawad: seems he had something against you :)
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18:32.08Zeenixhey ayaz
18:32.12ayazHey!
18:32.13fawadhey ayaz.
18:32.16ayazHey!
18:32.24fawadi finally got the games!!!
18:32.28fawadperfect condition,
18:32.35Zeenixayaz: want a xchat guile plugin? ;)
18:32.38ayazGood to know.  Have you played them already?
18:32.38fawadexcept that the mgs 2 dvd came without the booklet.
18:32.46fawadyeah.
18:32.52ayazZeenix:  I don't do xchat.  Only BitchX.
18:32.54fawadbut i'm totally confused about the mgs gameplay.
18:33.01Zeenixoh sorry, i forgot
18:33.01fawadi think i need the manual.
18:33.05fawaddownloading...
18:33.18ayazWhat is so confusing?  Spend some time and you'll get the hang of it.
18:33.29fawadyep.
18:33.36fawadi need time to get a hang of it.
18:34.47ayazYou got MGS:2 didn't you?
18:35.23fawadyes.
18:35.35fawadi found the manual on the konami site.
18:36.08ayazIs it available for download?
18:36.26fawadyes.
18:36.35fawadbut it's hidden waaaaay deep into the site.
18:37.01fawaddoesn't even show up on search engines due to the expertise of the konami web guys </sarcasm>
18:37.19ayazfawad:  Try connecting to khi.nu.edu.pk:6667 through whichever IRC client you are using and see if it gets in.
18:37.23fawadbut was able to play gran turismo right off the bat.
18:37.33ayazMy ISP is blocking IRC ath the moment it seems.
18:38.39fawadayaz: connection refused.
18:38.57ayazThanks.
18:39.17ayazOkay, sorry.  I didn't see.  It is filtered.
18:40.52ayazWhich difficulty level did you start the game on?  Very easy?
18:41.11fawadyes.
18:41.23fawadbut i spent maybe 15-20 minutes on it.
18:41.28fawadhad a lot to do this week.
18:41.30ayazI finished it on normal, I think.
18:41.59ayazIt'll take a hell of a lot more than just 15-20 minutes to get acquainted with the game controls.
18:43.31ayazZeenix:  I've been thinking:  If I install the guile plugin, what will I be able to do with it?
18:44.12fawadholy crap. the manual is so full of graphics, i seriously doubt I can print it.
18:44.50ayazWithout the aid of graphics, I doubht the instructions would help.
18:45.05Zeenixayaz: atm it does only one thing: evalulate any scheme/guile expression for you
18:45.17fawadit's the background graphics that'll kill the printing.
18:45.42Zeenixyou say "/eval (display "hello world") and you know what'll happen :)
18:45.56ayazYeah, I think.
18:46.25ayazBut, if I wanted to print "hello world" on a channel, wouldn't I just type it in?
18:48.11Zeenixayaz: that was ONE example :)
18:48.27Zeenixthat was intentionaly kept stupid and simple :)
18:49.00ayazfawad:  BTW, while you get the hang of MGS, always check lockers.  Some lockers have pictures of scantily clad Japense women.
18:49.05ayazZeenix:  Damn!
18:53.43fawadayaz: hubba hubba!
18:53.54ayazHeh!
18:54.11ayazMGS3 has real, live action.
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19:01.19fawadno kidding.
19:02.11ayazYep!  In fact, Snake, in the ending movie, is shown having sex with this beautiful, seducing spy.
19:02.34ayazBut, you'll have to beat MGS2 first to get your hands on to that.
19:03.22fawadholy crap!
19:03.35fawadyou've finished MGS3 already?
19:03.44ayazYep!  It's been a month.
19:03.52ayazA really lovely game.
19:03.58ayazToo damn emotional.
19:06.38fawadyeah, it seemed like a cross between first blood and a girlie movie from the trailer.
19:07.06ayazBut, it's more than that.
19:07.52ayazIf you understand the game throughout, you realise the power of Hideo Kojima as the game and plot designer.
19:09.06ayazI mean, who decides a complete plot and divides the plot to be released on three parts, one of which is released one genartion of conosle, and the other two on the next generation?
19:09.24fawadheh.
19:10.30ayazReally, the boobs and the seducing scenes are just pretty distractions.  The actual thing is in how the game is set, and how it fills the picture that the previous two versions left open.
19:12.08Zeenixdid someone just said 'boobs' ? :)
19:12.19ayazIt's like, you play the whole game thinking something, but in the very end you reliase, "hey, that's not Snake, that's his father!".
19:12.30fawadi can just see Zeenix's ears perking up at the sound. like pavlov's dogs :)
19:12.50ayazZeenix:  Nope!  Maybe you saw it on some other window.  Which site are you viewing, by the way?
19:13.44Zeenixguile reference manual :)
19:14.04ayazNow I know why you're so crazy about guile.
19:14.13Zeenixi think 'boobs' is a nice guile module :)
19:14.24ayazI'm sure it is.
19:15.29ayazSo, you do something like:  /eval (display $boobs) or something. and be happy.
19:15.43Zeenixi saw 'The terminator (1985 movie)" today (again)
19:15.52ayazI, too.
19:16.56ayazBut, today, I focused a bit more and finally found out who was Connor's father.
19:17.24Zeenixayaz: so you have just figured it out? :)
19:18.01ayazWell, I would have a long ago, were it not for the fact that I had watched the movie on Star Movies.  Star Movies is for prudes.
19:19.19Zeenixayaz: do you know who is one person other than arnold who is pressent in all the 3 parts?
19:19.46ayazConnor's mother?
19:20.11Zeenixayaz: where did you get to see her in the third part? :@
19:20.52ayazI'm just guessing.  I haven't seen the third part yet.  I'm still not sure whether the movie is worth a 1 second nude scene in the beginning.
19:21.55Zeenixayaz: you suck
19:22.05ayazYep!
19:22.29ayazHey, my time is important, you know.
19:22.54Zeenixayaz: if you didn't see the third part, you didn't really watched/enjoyed the movie
19:23.29Zeeniximho all the 3 parts should be seen as one story, which many people dont
19:23.31ayazThat should be obvious.  How can I really watch it without seeing it?
19:23.58Zeenixthey are the people who had watched t2 to see some action and thats what they expect from t3
19:24.42Zeenixayaz: you said that you dont know if it's worth a watch in a very cruel way
19:25.24ayazI judge the aesthetic value of a movie differently.
19:27.08Zeenixme too
19:27.20Zeenixso dont listen to people like fawad :-P
19:27.35ayazWhere did he come in?
19:27.53fawadayaz: he 'feels' T3
19:28.08ayazOh yeah!
19:28.20Zeenixayaz: who in your opinion i was attacking by my indirect criticism? :)
19:28.25fawadno, he really feels it
19:28.35fawadhe said those exact same words
19:28.43Zeenixyeah and i still do
19:28.51ayazOoo!
19:29.22Zeenixlet me say the exact same words again: "..You need to feel it.."
19:29.44ayazAs I said, 1 second ain't worth it.
19:30.09Zeenixayaz: dont you like the idea of pathetic humans being replaced by a intelligent machines?
19:30.10fawadT3 sucks donkey ass
19:30.33Zeenixfawad: tell me something, do you like t2?
19:30.53fawadyes
19:30.56ayazZeenix:  No!
19:30.58fawadand T1
19:31.46Zeenixfawad: so what was so good about it?
19:32.04ayazIt had Connor's mother in it at all times.
19:32.04fawadthe cinematics
19:32.10fawadthe action,
19:32.16fawadand yeah, sarah connor
19:32.29fawadt3 was just a very sucky movie
19:32.46ayazYeah, sucky.
19:32.51ayazI mean, it must be.
19:32.58Zeenixfawad: so the story-line had no role?
19:33.41fawadZeenix: dude, I dont watch the terminator series for the story
19:33.49ayazOkay, I'm off for the day.  Goodnight.
19:34.00fawadthat would be like buying playboy for the insightful articles
19:34.09Zeenixfawad: like i said t3 is a sequal to them, which means it must extend/end the story in a very logicalrational/creative
19:34.16Zeenixerr.
19:34.20fawadtake care, ayaz
19:34.37Zeenixs/logicalrational\/creative/logical,rational and creative/
19:35.44Zeenixfawad: well that because you dont like machines :)
19:36.04fawadthe difference was between James cameron and the jackass director of T#
19:36.39fawadi meant T3
19:36.46Zeenixwell, i didn't expect the same kind of action stuff
19:37.12Zeenixfawad: btw, how are the cinematics of t1 better than t3 for chirst sake?
19:37.34fawaddiff http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19910703/REVIEWS/107030301/1023 http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030707/REVIEWS/307070301/1023
19:51.37Zeenixfawad: that is a very biased criticism
19:51.50Zeenixs/criticism/review
19:52.04Zeenix<PROTECTED>
19:52.26Zeenixbut this holds true about t2 more than t3
19:52.38Zeenixin both t1 and t2, he says "I'll be back"
19:52.49Zeenixand in t3 he says "She'll be back"
19:53.09Zeenixso shouldn't t2 be criticised for this rather than t3?
19:53.36fawaddude,
19:53.45fawadhttp://www.google.com/reviews?cid=ba876f04cbe39fd3&fq=movie:+terminator
19:53.57fawadhttp://www.google.com/reviews?cid=b5bba968e6d77b41&fq=movie:+terminator+3
19:54.00Zeenixfawad: dont change the subject
19:54.06fawadare all these people biased too?
19:54.21Zeenixfawad: we'll talk about them later
19:54.30fawadZeenix: what the heck does i'll be back have to do with anything?
19:54.33Zeenixfirst admit that this one is biased
19:54.42fawadhe was back in T2 and T3, wasn't he?
19:54.59Zeenixfawad: ask that author, i didn't put this argument :)
19:55.26Zeenixfawad: your intellect seems more pathetic than John Conners :)
19:55.32fawadok, so how about those other mediocre reviews of t3 on the internet?
19:55.41fawadare they all biased as well?
19:55.54fawadi bet it's a propoganda by the T2 fan club.
19:56.05Zeenixhe too could'nt swallow the simple fact that both the terminator were not the same individuals
20:04.26Zeenixfawad:
20:04.46Zeenix"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence that it is not
20:04.49Zeenixutterly absurd; indeed, in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind,
20:04.49Zeenixa widespread belief is more often likely to be foolish than sensible."
20:04.49Zeenix<PROTECTED>
20:07.43fawadthe assertion that a widespread belief might be absurd doesn't imply that a widespread belief is absurd.
20:08.03Zeenixof course
20:08.10fawadwhat's the point, then?
20:09.22Zeenixi didn't pressent the point. you did: showing me a lot of different criticism on the t3, you were asking how can they all be biased
20:09.47fawaddude, why would one be biased towards a movie?
20:09.54fawadthat's a totally absurd argument.
20:10.21fawadneither of the movies was religous, so the religous bias is out.
20:10.21Zeenixfawad: i dont know. i just told you what i saw: that criticism was biased
20:10.37Zeenixi didn't say anything about others as i didn't read them (yet)
20:10.39fawadthe main actor was the same, so that isn't it.
20:10.45fawadwhy the heck would one be biased about it?
20:11.10fawadno, i mean, what triggered your mind to say that the review is biased?
20:11.10Zeenixfawad: thats a good question of which i dont have any answer
20:11.16Zeenixs/of/for/
20:11.18fawadcouldn't a person genuinely hate a movie?
20:12.12Zeenixfawad: if you had focused on the point i pressented then you would also have deduced the same
20:12.58Zeenix<Zeenix>  T-101 does however inexplicably remember some old Schwarzenegger movies, and at one point intones, "She'll be back."
20:12.59Zeenix<Zeenix> but this holds true about t2 more than t3
20:12.59Zeenix<Zeenix> in both t1 and t2, he says "I'll be back"
20:12.59Zeenix<Zeenix> and in t3 he says "She'll be back"
20:12.59Zeenix<Zeenix> so shouldn't t2 be criticised for this rather than t3?
20:13.49fawadumm, dude,
20:13.59fawad_you_ didn't read the review.
20:14.19fawadhe was criticizing the fact that the terminator wasn't the same in T3 as T2 even though it was played by the same actor,
20:14.30fawadbut is using the same catch phrases.
20:14.36fawadisn't that a valid criticism?
20:15.08Zeenixyeah it is
20:15.47Zeenixfawad: oh sorry i missed your prior statement
20:15.49fawadhow does that count for bias, then?
20:16.04Zeenixfawad: no it's not the critism he put
20:16.52fawadfor the sake of jogging your memory, let me paste the paragraph.
20:17.26fawadTo protect John and Kate, Terminator T-101 arrives from the future, played by Arnold Schwarzenegger, who has embodied this series from the very first. The strange thing is, this is not the same Terminator he played in "T2." "Don't you remember me?" asks Connor. But "hasta la vista, baby" doesn't ring a bell. T-101 does however inexplicably remember some old Schwarzenegger movies, and at one point intones, "She'll be back."      
20:17.26fawad<PROTECTED>
20:19.16Zeenixand so the same doens't hold true for t2?
20:19.49fawaddude, the movie reviews are written in isolation
20:20.18fawadand _you_ chose to nitpick on that particular argument, not I
20:20.58Zeenixbut aren't the first two written by the same person?
20:21.20Zeenixbtw, http://www.novell.com/linux/windowstolinux/publicservice/
20:21.51Zeenixthe audio/video jerks a lot on my sucky dialup so i couldn't see/hear it :)
20:22.06Zeenixs/:)/:(/
20:22.06fawadheh
20:22.27fawadyeah, but dude, he never claimed that the story of T2 was flawless
20:22.44fawadyou are constructing very bad arguments
20:23.52u_int32_thi *
20:24.59fawadhey $!
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20:25.10negativecreephey all
20:25.14negativecreephey fawad
20:25.20fawadhola negativecreep
20:25.21u_int32_tnegativecreep: you're $$ years old arent you
20:25.40negativecreepu_int32_t: no i am @@ years old
20:25.44fawaddude, you shouldnt show up on #linuxpakistan.
20:25.47negativecreepfawad: ever used mail, mailx or nail
20:25.53negativecreepfawad: why?
20:25.58fawadyou know i'm going to ask about those files you owe me :)
20:26.03negativecreephehe..
20:26.15negativecreepfawad: dont ask..
20:26.27fawadi've used mail. why do you ask?
20:26.28negativecreepfawad: i have been in office since 9 am and now its 1:30 am...
20:26.39fawadif you're asking about attachments, use mutt instead.
20:26.51negativecreepfawad: i need to tell mail to use an external smtp server, and its settings..
20:27.01negativecreepno i need to use it in a script
20:27.09negativecreepi need to send mail via a script
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20:27.25fawadI don't think it does smtp at all.
20:27.31fawadI think it uses the sendmail commandline
20:28.29negativecreepfawad: i know nail supports that but cant figure that out
20:28.42Zeenixfawad: some friends of mine are covering my cost to reach Guadec this year :)
20:29.12fawadZeenix: schweet!!!
20:29.29fawadsome friends you've got there
20:29.50Zeenixno, some friends from #gstreamer :)
20:36.26u_int32_thow do you kill a D'ed process on linux
20:37.18fawadhow does a process go into D?
20:37.44u_int32_ti dont know
20:37.53u_int32_tD = "uninterruptible sleep"
20:38.12fawadwhat does that mean?
20:38.30fawadsigkill doesn't work?
20:38.41u_int32_tnope
20:38.48u_int32_tseems to mean can't recv signals
20:39.31fawadwow
20:40.34u_int32_tbah!
20:40.37u_int32_tsvnadmin + smb not good
20:42.34u_int32_twhy isnt xinetdd in debian by default
20:42.36u_int32_tdouble bah!
20:42.43u_int32_tnow i have to apt-get it!
20:42.44u_int32_tmwahaha
20:42.56fawadbecause it's just not stable enough </sarcasm>
20:43.21fawad2.6? too unstable.
20:43.32u_int32_tno, 2.4
20:43.38negativecreepguys need help
20:43.42negativecreep<TD ALIGN=right><SMALL>1029.6 kb/s (50.3%)
20:43.53negativecreepcan someone tell me how to extract this 1029.6 kb/s out of this string
20:46.27u_int32_tuse regex
20:48.00fawadsed  "s/.*<SMALL>\([^ ]*\).*/\1/g"
20:49.42negativecreepfawad u rock
20:49.44negativecreepthnx a lot man
20:52.06fawadnot a problem.
20:58.31u_int32_tfawad: how do you create a svn repo using file:// url
20:59.00u_int32_tor even svn://
21:01.14fawadumm, you dont
21:01.21fawadthe repository has nothing to do with the access method.
21:01.28u_int32_tso i have to su svn first?
21:01.33fawadyou create the repository using the local filesystem.
21:01.49fawadthen expose it using one of file:// svn:// https?://
21:01.57fawadyes.
21:02.11fawadcreate the repository as the user who'll be running the svnserve (for svn://)
21:02.17u_int32_tyep
21:02.19fawador chown to that afterwards.
21:02.22u_int32_tso now if i want to import
21:02.30u_int32_tsvn import svn://blah/repo?
21:02.34fawadyes.
21:02.46fawadgo to the local pristine copy of the souce,
21:02.59fawadthen svn import svn://blah/repo/projectname
21:05.45u_int32_tconnection is read-only
21:05.46u_int32_tdoh
21:07.41u_int32_they fawad you use fsfs right
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21:08.05PakiPenguinaa everyone
21:08.08fawadyes.
21:08.13fawadover https.
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21:08.19fawadaoa P[a]kiPenguin
21:08.31P[a]kiPenguinwasalam fawad:) hows life?
21:08.45fawadnot too bad.
21:08.48fawadhow about you?
21:08.57P[a]kiPenguinumm alright :)
21:09.02P[a]kiPenguinso the games arrived?
21:09.17fawadyep.
21:09.30fawadhaven't had a chance to play them yet.
21:09.33P[a]kiPenguindamn
21:09.37fawadjust played gran turismo for a couple of minutes.
21:09.42negativecreepfawad how can i ask sed to extract some text from line 3
21:09.43fawadhopefully on friday..
21:10.20fawadnegativecreep: dunno :(
21:10.24negativecreepoh
21:10.24P[a]kiPenguinoh the bitch's still at work :p
21:10.33negativecreephi napaki penguin
21:10.49P[a]kiPenguinnegativecreep: go home , sleep , it aint gonna work :p
21:10.57negativecreephave you seen batman returns?? you should ..coz joker is ur breed
21:11.08negativecreepP[a]kiPenguin: i have made it work..
21:11.14negativecreepand that too from my own system...
21:11.14P[a]kiPenguinnegativecreep: news: got head shaved again :p lol
21:11.15negativecreepLOL
21:11.21negativecreepP[a]kiPenguin: muhahahah
21:11.22P[a]kiPenguinlol
21:11.41negativecreep<TD ALIGN=right><SMALL>1981.2 kb/s (96.7%)
21:11.42negativecreep<PROTECTED>
21:11.42negativecreep<PROTECTED>
21:11.50negativecreepthats the text guys..need the last figure..
21:11.52negativecreep:(
21:11.53negativecreephow can i
21:11.55negativecreep??
21:12.43u_int32_tjhey P[a]kiPenguin
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21:13.21P[a]kiPenguinhey u_int32_t
21:15.44fawadnegativecreep: you could do 3s/... but it would print the first two lines as it is.
21:16.11negativecreepnah..
21:17.32fawadyou could have sed collapse the three lines into 1, then make the regexp match 2 <SMALL> before the 3rd one matching
21:19.57P[a]kiPenguintime to go study
21:20.02P[a]kiPenguinAllah Hafiz
21:20.14negativecreepP[a]kiPenguin: i will c u
21:20.18negativecreepAllah Hafiz
21:21.29P[a]kiPenguinnegativecreep: you @ work?
21:21.35negativecreepyeah
21:21.39negativecreepsince 9 am
21:22.14P[a]kiPenguini just asked your help guy root
21:23.52negativecreepLOL
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