| 05:00:41 | micah | i have a question about linux on an ipaq 3150 |
| 05:00:48 | micah | if anyone wants to take a shot at it =) |
| 05:02:44 | micah | that a no? |
| 05:04:15 | Disconnect | #handhelds.org |
| 05:14:36 | beeblebrox | micah yea, sure |
| 05:17:14 | micah | ok |
| 05:17:26 | micah | the bootloader(bootblaster) works perfect as far as i can tell |
| 05:18:19 | micah | and i put the other bootloader on, as the instructions said on handhelds.org |
| 05:18:57 | beeblebrox | ya... |
| 05:19:03 | micah | set the bootldr params as they were stated |
| 05:19:07 | micah | and loaded the kernel |
| 05:19:15 | micah | then loaded the familiar root system for the 3100 |
| 05:19:22 | micah | but when i boot, i get a kernel panic |
| 05:19:38 | micah | can't find /mtdblock/3 |
| 05:19:57 | micah | did you have this problem? |
| 05:21:31 | beeblebrox | ouch. |
| 05:21:39 | beeblebrox | what version of familiar are you using? |
| 05:22:13 | micah | ftp://ftp.easynet.be/familiar/releases/v0.5/install/H3100/ |
| 05:22:17 | micah | the one at this location |
| 05:22:48 | micah | are the params the same for the 3100 as they are for the 3600? |
| 05:23:07 | micah | which flash rom partition setting do i use? |
| 05:23:19 | CSstudent | how can i check channnels in irc ... /help ? |
| 05:25:05 | micah | .../list should list em for ya |
| 05:25:28 | beeblebrox | micah: what instructions did you use? |
| 05:25:41 | beeblebrox | you dont need separate kernel partition on 0.5 |
| 05:25:47 | beeblebrox | it is just 1 partition. |
| 05:25:49 | micah | set linuxargs "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/3 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0" |
| 05:25:59 | micah | set copy_ramdisk 0x0 |
| 05:26:07 | micah | set baudrate 115200 |
| 05:26:10 | beeblebrox | also, usr 0.5.1 it is easier to get it to work on the 3100 |
| 05:26:16 | micah | partition reset |
| 05:26:25 | micah | partition define kernel 0x80000 0x80000 0 |
| 05:26:26 | beeblebrox | you dont need those params. what instructions did you follow? |
| 05:26:38 | micah | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/latest/install/H3600/install.html |
| 05:26:49 | micah | i couldn't find one specific to the 3100, so i used the 3600 instr. |
| 05:26:55 | beeblebrox | micah: thats for 0.4! |
| 05:26:56 | CSstudent | beeblebrox: i am going to compile a kernel and ver 0.5 consists of one partition 'root' .... what can i do ? |
| 05:27:11 | micah | hmf |
| 05:27:24 | micah | where can i find instructions for my version |
| 05:27:30 | beeblebrox | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.5/install/H3600/install.html |
| 05:27:34 | beeblebrox | use this guide. |
| 05:27:41 | beeblebrox | and use the 0.5.1 image |
| 05:27:46 | beeblebrox | what bootloader di you have? |
| 05:28:04 | beeblebrox | CSstudent: you need to put in the compiled kernel in /boot, and make a symlink called ' |
| 05:28:18 | beeblebrox | CSstudent: 'zImage' to it |
| 05:28:36 | micah | i had the bootloader listed at the top of the help page |
| 05:29:06 | CSstudent | beeblebrox: i am trying to find bluetooth expert ... i don't know how to work with bluetooth cf card .. |
| 05:29:11 | micah | i will go through these steps |
| 05:29:14 | micah | i'll let you know |
| 05:29:17 | micah | thanks a bunch =) |
| 05:29:30 | CSstudent | but there is a difference between h3100 and h3600 .... |
| 05:29:39 | beeblebrox | micah: what bootloader version do you have |
| 05:29:40 | beeblebrox | ? |
| 05:30:05 | micah | not completely sure |
| 05:30:07 | beeblebrox | CSstudent: what difference? |
| 05:30:13 | beeblebrox | micah: this is important... |
| 05:30:13 | micah | should i change to the one on that page? |
| 05:30:30 | beeblebrox | micah: you need a newer bootloader than the one at that page. |
| 05:30:34 | micah | first i had bootblaster |
| 05:30:42 | beeblebrox | you should use 2.17.11 |
| 05:30:44 | micah | then i followed the directions, so i put the one on that page |
| 05:30:44 | micah | ok |
| 05:30:49 | CSstudent | beeblebrox: one is monochrome, the other is color ... and other differences ...ram , rom size and ....??? |
| 05:31:21 | micah | beeblebrox: where can i find the 2.17.11 bootloader? |
| 05:31:32 | beeblebrox | CSstudent: the RAM size is different (16mb in case of mono); also, the flash uses different chips. this makes the image for mono different from that for a color |
| 05:31:39 | beeblebrox | micah: just a sec |
| 05:33:25 | beeblebrox | ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/bootldr/ |
| 05:33:47 | beeblebrox | micah: get 2.17.11 i've heard that ones after that dont work fine on the mono! |
| 05:33:54 | micah | ok |
| 05:33:56 | micah | i'll give it a shot |
| 05:34:30 | micah | and you recommend 0.5.1 image? |
| 05:37:30 | beeblebrox | micah: yea. make sure you use the 3100 image |
| 05:38:17 | micah | you have a link for that? |
| 05:38:27 | beeblebrox | micah: ouch.. wait. there is no 3100 image! |
| 05:38:53 | beeblebrox | micah: ok, now here is what i did... i made my own image. |
| 05:39:09 | micah | there's one at ftp://ftp.easynet.be/familiar/releases/v0.5/install/ |
| 05:39:14 | beeblebrox | now, you can either make your own image for 0.5.1, or i can send you mine... |
| 05:39:21 | micah | hmmmm |
| 05:39:26 | micah | how complicated is it? |
| 05:39:27 | beeblebrox | micah: i couldnt get the 0.5 image to work! |
| 05:40:08 | beeblebrox | micah: not easy.. took me 2-3 hrs to get it right. you need the source code from the cvs, and need to do some compilation, you upto it? i can guide u... |
| 05:40:18 | micah | i prefer not |
| 05:40:34 | micah | if you don't mind sending it to me, i'd be grateful |
| 05:40:35 | beeblebrox | wait a sec |
| 05:42:03 | beeblebrox | micah: i can send it over.. it is ove 6mb though |
| 05:42:15 | micah | i have a t1 connection |
| 05:42:25 | micah | speed isn't a problem on my side |
| 05:42:30 | beeblebrox | i dont ;) |
| 05:42:36 | micah | hmmm |
| 05:42:49 | beeblebrox | should i mail it? |
| 05:42:57 | micah | how long will 6 megs take from your connection? |
| 05:43:18 | beeblebrox | not much actually... i generally get 100kb/sec download |
| 05:43:43 | micah | can you dcc it? |
| 05:44:02 | beeblebrox | ok, wait |
| 05:45:23 | beeblebrox | micah: sent. |
| 05:46:11 | micah | it didn't ask me to accept it |
| 05:46:38 | beeblebrox | strange.. i'll try again |
| 05:47:11 | beeblebrox | ?? |
| 05:47:14 | micah | nope |
| 05:47:19 | micah | you can try e-mailing it to me |
| 05:47:21 | micah | micah03@tamu.edu |
| 05:47:30 | micah | it's my junk mailbox |
| 05:47:38 | micah | so i'm not worried about the address gettin spread around |
| 05:47:41 | beeblebrox | ok.. |
| 05:48:30 | beeblebrox | sending.. will take some time |
| 05:48:44 | micah | ok |
| 05:49:08 | beeblebrox | cool, sent.. will take some time to get out of my local mail sever though |
| 05:49:31 | micah | i appreciate it |
| 05:50:44 | beeblebrox | np.. actually, i am planning on making the whole process easier for mono users.. it took me more than 3 days to get it to work right! |
| 05:51:17 | micah | yikes |
| 05:51:30 | beeblebrox | i will try to get a feed set up on hh.org, and a link from the fam page so that it is easier to get the image and instructions. |
| 06:12:01 | micah | beeblebrox: it's loading your image now |
| 06:12:29 | beeblebrox | micah: you should have checked the md5sum first. |
| 06:12:51 | micah | did you send me one? |
| 06:13:19 | beeblebrox | tell me what you get on md5sum |
| 06:13:42 | beeblebrox | 716dc98ba5b590e312a171aad0a7b558 -- this is what i have |
| 06:14:16 | beeblebrox | also, did you change the bootloader? |
| 06:15:23 | micah | that's the sum i get |
| 06:15:28 | micah | yes, i changed the bootldr |
| 06:15:34 | micah | now i get the splash screen |
| 06:15:38 | micah | which i never got before |
| 06:15:42 | beeblebrox | cool! |
| 06:16:23 | micah | i've been lookin for the cf wireless lan adapter |
| 06:16:28 | micah | can only find it online |
| 06:16:32 | micah | anybody seen one in a store? |
| 06:41:28 | micah | beeblebrox:it booted, but the ipaq screen is garbage |
| 06:41:33 | micah | is this a problem? |
| 06:42:56 | beeblebrox | micah: yea, even i get that. |
| 06:43:11 | beeblebrox | micah: this is a known problem, with the kernel i think |
| 06:43:24 | beeblebrox | it gets ok after you do a suspend, and resume. |
| 06:43:36 | beeblebrox | and stays on until the next reboot. |
| 06:44:00 | micah | as in with the power button on the top right? |
| 06:47:32 | beeblebrox | micah: yea |
| 06:47:43 | beeblebrox | micah: you will also notice that the backlight is on. |
| 06:47:59 | beeblebrox | micah: keep the power button pressed for about 3-4 seconds, and it will go out |
| 06:48:01 | micah | yes it is |
| 06:48:12 | micah | nice =) |
| 06:48:30 | micah | now, if i don't have a pc card ethernet adapter, how can i load additional packages? |
| 06:49:17 | beeblebrox | ok, you need to use usbnet |
| 06:49:29 | micah | hmmm |
| 06:49:34 | beeblebrox | first do the ipkg install post_install |
| 06:49:35 | micah | does my computer need to be in linux? |
| 06:49:41 | beeblebrox | micah: yea :) |
| 06:50:38 | micah | does this image already have an x server? |
| 06:50:54 | beeblebrox | no |
| 06:51:06 | beeblebrox | you need an ipkg install task-x |
| 06:51:12 | beeblebrox | ok, first go to /etc |
| 06:51:21 | beeblebrox | vi ipkg.conf |
| 06:51:26 | micah | on my box, or ipaq? |
| 06:51:29 | beeblebrox | ipaq |
| 06:51:46 | beeblebrox | you need to change the path to 0.5.1, instead of 0.5 |
| 06:52:18 | | hmmm... usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 06:52:18 | beeblebrox | ibot1: usbnet |
| 06:52:36 | beeblebrox | see that link for how to get usb networking. |
| 06:57:53 | micah | is vi the only included text editor? |
| 06:59:49 | beeblebrox | micah: only one that i know... |
| 07:02:50 | micah | i'm gonna boot into linux on this machine |
| 07:02:53 | micah | be back in a few.... |
| 07:10:12 | micah | beeblebrox: you still there? |
| 07:13:08 | greeno_ | is back (gone 03:28:46) |
| 07:13:17 | greeno_ | is away: - eating |
| 07:30:06 | micah | can i use the 3600 xserver on my 3100? |
| 07:31:13 | beeblebrox | micah: use zmodem |
| 07:31:17 | beeblebrox | micah: yea. |
| 07:31:51 | beeblebrox | micah: at what stage are u? did you get usb networking to work? it iw strongly recommended that you get it to work before you str installing X or anything else |
| 07:32:50 | micah | well i can't get x working on my linux box right now |
| 07:33:00 | micah | i don't know what happened to it, but it's been messed up for about a week |
| 07:36:24 | beeblebrox | micah: you dont need x on your linux box :) |
| 07:36:54 | beeblebrox | micah: you can use lynx or links or some text browser... |
| 07:37:28 | beeblebrox | micah: usbnet is REQUIRED before you can do anything else! it would be extremely difficult to install X without it. |
| 07:37:37 | micah | well i needed to get to the website directions |
| 07:37:58 | beeblebrox | use linkx/lynx/w3m ~ |
| 07:43:34 | beeblebrox | is away: I'll be back! |
| 07:43:43 | beeblebrox | micah: bbiab |
| 08:01:52 | beeblebrox | is back (gone 00:18:17) |
| 08:11:15 | micah | beeblebros: i'm attempting to set up usbnet now |
| 08:14:57 | beeblebrox | micah: cool |
| 08:16:14 | micah | which terminal program do you recommend? |
| 08:16:23 | beeblebrox | minicom |
| 08:24:03 | micah | well i'm tryin to follow the ipaq side instructions for usbnet |
| 08:24:11 | micah | and there are all sorts of things it looks like i need to d/l |
| 08:24:45 | beeblebrox | not with 0.5.1! |
| 08:24:48 | beeblebrox | its all in there! |
| 08:24:58 | micah | ok |
| 08:25:09 | micah | so i just need to but the usbnet file in /etc/init.d? |
| 08:25:19 | beeblebrox | yea, with 1 change. |
| 08:25:26 | beeblebrox | echo 10 >/proc/scale |
| 08:25:26 | beeblebrox | |
| 08:25:35 | beeblebrox | remove this line. it is not needed any more |
| 08:25:45 | beeblebrox | put it in /etc/init.rd |
| 08:25:48 | beeblebrox | init.d |
| 08:26:02 | beeblebrox | and make a symlink to it in rc2.d/ |
| 08:26:17 | beeblebrox | go to /etc/rc2.d, and issue |
| 08:26:27 | beeblebrox | ln -s ../init.d/usbnet S30usbnet |
| 08:26:30 | beeblebrox | that is enough |
| 08:35:33 | micah | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 08:39:26 | micah | stupid automatic away |
| 08:47:24 | micah | so how do i tell minicom to not use a modem? |
| 08:47:29 | micah | and just use raw serial |
| 08:47:46 | beeblebrox | as root, say minicom -s |
| 08:48:04 | beeblebrox | in the settings, set flowcontrol (both hardware, and software) to NO |
| 08:48:35 | micah | already got those |
| 08:48:42 | beeblebrox | not working? |
| 08:48:53 | beeblebrox | what device are you using? |
| 08:49:12 | micah | dev/ttys1 |
| 08:49:31 | beeblebrox | micah: try /dev/ttyS0 |
| 08:49:55 | micah | no go |
| 08:50:27 | micah | should i get rid of the initialization stuff and such? |
| 08:50:56 | beeblebrox | not needed |
| 08:51:16 | beeblebrox | it will try to initialize, and fail.. but should give you the treminal access |
| 08:51:25 | micah | doesn't |
| 08:51:40 | beeblebrox | changed the port?> |
| 08:51:58 | micah | yes sire |
| 08:52:00 | micah | sir |
| 08:52:38 | beeblebrox | hmm... |
| 08:53:58 | micah | i've never done much with my serial port under linux |
| 08:54:09 | beeblebrox | what distribution? |
| 08:54:11 | beeblebrox | kernel? |
| 08:54:54 | micah | mandrake |
| 08:55:28 | greeno | is back (gone 01:10:02) |
| 08:55:59 | beeblebrox | are you using the stock kernel? |
| 08:56:02 | micah | aha |
| 08:56:05 | micah | i'm an idiot |
| 08:56:13 | micah | i was still ssh'ed into my redhat box |
| 08:56:54 | beeblebrox | lo |
| 08:56:56 | beeblebrox | lol |
| 08:57:18 | MonMotha | I did that once...though I accidentally issued an rm -rf command... |
| 08:58:09 | beeblebrox | MonMotha: lol! |
| 08:58:17 | MonMotha | yeah, was painful |
| 08:58:23 | MonMotha | I noticed what I did instantly |
| 08:58:34 | MonMotha | remounted readonly, brought up debugfs |
| 08:58:39 | MonMotha | I managed to get most of what I needed back |
| 09:00:35 | micah | so yeah |
| 09:00:40 | micah | i get a no space left on device error |
| 09:00:47 | micah | but i'm pretty sure i didn't fill up my 20g hd |
| 09:00:54 | beeblebrox | huh! |
| 09:01:01 | beeblebrox | when did you get that? |
| 09:01:04 | micah | i'm tryin to get minicom on this box |
| 09:01:09 | micah | cause i thought it was on this one |
| 09:01:11 | micah | but it was the other one |
| 09:02:36 | micah | there we go |
| 09:09:40 | micah | got minicom workin |
| 09:09:54 | beeblebrox | cool |
| 09:10:55 | micah | which lines do i not need in usbnet again? |
| 09:11:23 | beeblebrox | all of them, other than the echo 10 >/proc/scale line |
| 09:14:48 | micah | ok |
| 09:14:49 | micah | done |
| 09:15:09 | beeblebrox | cool. |
| 09:15:17 | beeblebrox | now you need the symlink |
| 09:15:33 | micah | what all do i have to set up on the pc side? |
| 09:15:43 | beeblebrox | see the page. |
| 09:18:14 | micah | if modprobe uhci gives an error, does that mean usb isn't set up right |
| 09:18:29 | beeblebrox | on the desktop? |
| 09:18:36 | micah | yup |
| 09:18:41 | beeblebrox | hmm... |
| 09:18:50 | beeblebrox | you might need to recompile the kernel. |
| 09:18:53 | beeblebrox | what error? |
| 09:19:09 | micah | no such device |
| 09:19:23 | beeblebrox | !? |
| 09:19:26 | beeblebrox | wierd! |
| 09:19:32 | micah | i hate usb on linux |
| 09:19:34 | beeblebrox | can you paste the exact thing? |
| 09:19:37 | micah | it's ridiculous |
| 09:20:17 | beeblebrox | also, which kerenl do you have? |
| 09:20:29 | micah | 2.4.3-20 |
| 09:21:08 | beeblebrox | which version of mandrake? |
| 09:21:59 | micah | 8.1 or so |
| 09:22:06 | micah | my brother took the cd's back |
| 09:22:10 | micah | so i can't remember |
| 09:22:22 | micah | i've been meaning to swith to redhat, cause i don't like mdk |
| 09:22:43 | beeblebrox | micah: join #handhelds.org |
| 09:23:09 | beeblebrox | micah: you will have to compile the kernel! |
| 09:24:23 | micah | hmmm |
| 09:24:29 | micah | i'm not up for that tonight |
| 09:24:36 | beeblebrox | micah: good :)) |
| 09:25:14 | beeblebrox | you will need to recompile. select usbnet, and also ipchains in the options |
| 09:25:24 | beeblebrox | also, get 2.4.17 code. |
| 09:25:50 | micah | since i gotta be at work in 5 hrs |
| 09:25:53 | micah | i'm goin to bed |
| 09:26:09 | micah | thanks for all the help |
| 09:26:19 | micah | i'll be back tomorrow night =) |
| 09:26:31 | beeblebrox | micah: np.. meet you tomorrow! |
| 09:27:22 | micah | i'll be here |
| 09:27:27 | micah | goodnight everyone! |
| 09:32:44 | beeblebrox | is away: I'll be back! |
| 10:11:34 | beeblebrox | is back (gone 00:38:50) |
| 11:35:03 | DragonEagle | is away: work |
| 15:45:06 | beeblebrox | is away: I'll be back! |
| 16:27:15 | Kai-H | I apologize if this is not the right forum - I have troubles connecting my ipaq (still wince) via serial cable to my Linux-Box. Would anyone be willing to assist me? |
| 18:01:51 | sgodsell_csl | is back (gone 21:46:12) |
| 21:27:03 | asdlinux | Hi room ! |
| 21:28:22 | asdlinux | I just got me a Ipaq but I think it is broken ... it has very low battery life ... it is new right out of the box ... what should the battery life be on it normally ??? |
| 21:34:14 | sjohnson | asdlinux: How much run time are your getting? |
| 21:35:23 | asdlinux | ummmm .... max an hour ... with lights on automatic |
| 21:37:48 | sjohnson | It looks like your battery is fubar. It will need to be replaced. You should get upwards of 9 hours depending on usage. |
| 21:38:23 | asdlinux | oh ... that much :) |
| 21:38:52 | asdlinux | Well... it is brand new so I think I should get a new one right away then ... |
| 21:39:38 | asdlinux | it never stops charging either... |
| 21:39:52 | sjohnson | That's another bad sign. |
| 21:40:12 | sjohnson | It should task around 4 hours MAX to charge from 0 to full |
| 21:40:18 | sjohnson | s/task/take/ |
| 21:41:53 | asdlinux | Hmmmm ... it is bad then .... I will defently demand a new then ... I hope they have one not played around with ... this one seemed to be opened |
| 21:42:18 | asdlinux | I mean the box, of course |
| 21:44:12 | sjohnson | It probable was a return and the prev ownder didn't cutoff the battery. |
| 21:44:36 | sjohnson | That's very bad for a Lipoly battern |
| 21:44:58 | sjohnson | ye gad, my typing is bad today. |
| 21:45:09 | asdlinux | :) |
| 21:45:55 | asdlinux | it was cut off ... I had to switch it to charge it |
| 21:46:45 | asdlinux | but it is a 3630 so it could have been in storage for a long time |
| 21:47:34 | sjohnson | You can store a Li/poly battern for a long time is disconnected. |
| 21:50:09 | asdlinux | ok ... then someone have mistreated it then ... the store promised me a new one... |
| 21:52:22 | asdlinux | Ok ... thanks for the info :) |
| 21:52:29 | asdlinux | bye ! |
| 21:53:01 | sjohnson | good luch |
| 21:53:04 | sjohnson | er luck |
| 23:26:41 | Zoiah | Hiya'll |