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| 19:20.45 | DomZ | Hi Cotulla, I saw on twitter that you've drop the dev on HD2 (which I could understand easily) :), Ansar (who is may be working for DFT too has shared some screenshots on february, do you if ha has also dropped his work on WP8/HD2 ? |
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| 19:30.08 | Cotulla | hey |
| 19:30.30 | Cotulla | Ansar never in DFT at all |
| 19:30.40 | Cotulla | *never was |
| 19:30.41 | DomZ | ah ok |
| 19:30.54 | Cotulla | was his "some screenshots" just copy of mine from twitter or not? |
| 19:30.55 | DomZ | then may be he's still continue his work |
| 19:31.06 | Cotulla | give me URL |
| 19:31.54 | DomZ | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1971048 |
| 19:32.22 | DomZ | last update 17/02/2013 |
| 19:33.42 | DomZ | I don't think it's your screenshots ... |
| 19:33.56 | Cotulla | yes it's not |
| 19:33.57 | Cotulla | but |
| 19:35.23 | Cotulla | I have no idea but |
| 19:35.25 | Cotulla | http://cdn.esphoneblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/26.png |
| 19:35.41 | EdLin | Cotulla, thanks for all the stuff you did for HTC HD2. I still use mine for testing apps under Gingerbread. (My new phone is a Galaxy Nexus.) |
| 19:35.41 | Cotulla | "RAM" is missing on his screenshots. that's strange. |
| 19:35.51 | Cotulla | hi EdLin |
| 19:35.54 | Cotulla | how are u? |
| 19:36.01 | EdLin | I'm doing OK. :) |
| 19:36.20 | Cotulla | well time to move forward for me :) |
| 19:36.28 | EdLin | I hadn't seen your tweets about retiring from the HTC HD2 scene. |
| 19:36.40 | Cotulla | yea, DFT stops that |
| 19:36.43 | EdLin | yeah, I switched devices when mine developed some bad blocks. |
| 19:36.50 | Cotulla | too slow for new projects |
| 19:36.59 | Cotulla | and HW going old |
| 19:37.02 | Cotulla | like buttons and bad blocks |
| 19:37.29 | EdLin | it'd be nice if Android could handle bad blocks like WinMo can on the device. |
| 19:37.46 | EdLin | that's probably never gonna happen tho. |
| 19:37.51 | DomZ | Cotulla then the next question is : on which device you move on ? |
| 19:38.12 | Cotulla | DomZ, I have no idea what Ansar is doing and I have never discussed with him any NT LEO stuff. |
| 19:38.16 | Cotulla | probably HTC One 64G |
| 19:38.25 | EdLin | HTC One is a sweet phone. |
| 19:38.33 | Cotulla | except microSD slot |
| 19:38.39 | Cotulla | but 64G fast eMMC should be enough |
| 19:38.48 | DomZ | Are you hoping to port WP8 on it ? |
| 19:39.09 | Cotulla | I will look |
| 19:39.11 | EdLin | everyone's dropping microsd except Samsung Galaxy S, because of Android's brain-dead way of handling microsd. |
| 19:39.12 | Cotulla | probably yes |
| 19:39.13 | Cotulla | and WRT |
| 19:39.25 | DomZ | humm nice :) |
| 19:39.39 | Cotulla | but not sure about full HW support |
| 19:39.46 | Cotulla | it's very complex in modern devices |
| 19:39.59 | DomZ | yeah |
| 19:40.35 | EdLin | Cotulla, it's good you're picking HTC kit, or you'd have to go to the #samsung-linux channel or something. |
| 19:40.51 | Cotulla | lol |
| 19:40.55 | Cotulla | I thougth about Galaxy Note |
| 19:40.56 | Cotulla | 3 |
| 19:40.57 | Cotulla | but |
| 19:41.10 | DomZ | too big :) |
| 19:41.17 | EdLin | Galaxy Note 3 is kind of neat, though I do like to be able to put a phone in my pocket. |
| 19:41.19 | Cotulla | yea |
| 19:41.27 | Cotulla | and a lot of clones from samsung iself |
| 19:41.40 | Cotulla | HTC One has UL U DUG and etc |
| 19:41.44 | Cotulla | but most of them are UL |
| 19:41.59 | Cotulla | and many stuffs simular |
| 19:42.12 | Cotulla | unlike Galaxy with APQ8064 with MSM8974 with Octa and lalala |
| 19:42.16 | Cotulla | this is irratating |
| 19:42.22 | Cotulla | *irritating isn't it? |
| 19:42.48 | EdLin | Cotulla, yeah, especially when us US users would be left out of whatever you're doing if you picked Samsung devices. |
| 19:43.01 | EdLin | tho I do unlocked GSM anyway. |
| 19:43.20 | Cotulla | so which device u are using now EdLin? |
| 19:43.26 | Cotulla | and u DomZ too |
| 19:43.26 | Cotulla | :) |
| 19:43.27 | EdLin | Galaxy Nexus. |
| 19:43.39 | EdLin | replicant with CM is cool. |
| 19:43.39 | DomZ | HD2 :) |
| 19:43.55 | Cotulla | nothing broken? |
| 19:43.59 | EdLin | no need to fetch binary blobs. |
| 19:44.02 | Cotulla | keys, touchscreen? |
| 19:44.04 | DomZ | nothng |
| 19:44.11 | Cotulla | good |
| 19:44.16 | Cotulla | EdLin, they are inside? |
| 19:44.22 | EdLin | Cotulla, yep |
| 19:44.37 | EdLin | inside the ROM, and the process extracts it. |
| 19:45.06 | EdLin | you do have to flash the ROM a first time for Cyanogenmod and the like, but after that, you can compile away. |
| 19:45.14 | Cotulla | oh |
| 19:45.30 | DomZ | Cotulla, why not trying a Nokia phone and android on it ? |
| 19:45.39 | DomZ | and put |
| 19:45.46 | EdLin | Nexus 4 can't do this, only a few Sony phones are capable of this also. |
| 19:46.11 | EdLin | it sort of takes the fun out of hacking it though, when its so easy. ;-) |
| 19:46.31 | DomZ | may be it's more challenging to put WP8 on an android device ... |
| 19:46.56 | Cotulla | DomZ, all nokia phones heavy locked |
| 19:47.16 | DomZ | Ah ok, didn't know that |
| 19:47.19 | EdLin | except of course the N900. (RIP) |
| 19:47.19 | Cotulla | finland (?) code quality |
| 19:47.20 | Cotulla | :D |
| 19:47.50 | EdLin | N900 was hacked to run Android too. |
| 19:48.05 | EdLin | not as good as HTC HD2 did though. |
| 19:48.28 | EdLin | but HTC kept making the same phones for both Windows and Android, which helped. |
| 19:48.35 | DomZ | N900 hackers not as good as Cotulla :) |
| 19:48.40 | Cotulla | lol |
| 19:48.42 | EdLin | lol |
| 19:48.53 | Cotulla | it's different |
| 19:49.03 | Cotulla | I ported Android 2 times and it's bore for me |
| 19:49.07 | Cotulla | I wanna move forward |
| 19:49.20 | EdLin | yeah, WP8 on Android kit sounds neat. |
| 19:49.22 | Cotulla | to do something intersting, not just port another android somewhere |
| 19:49.43 | EdLin | or whatever Microsoft is doing after WP8. |
| 19:49.48 | EdLin | which they're retiring. |
| 19:50.34 | EdLin | I'll probably miss out on what you're doing though, because until used prices go down, I'm not getting an HTC One. |
| 19:50.47 | EdLin | maybe a year down the road. |
| 19:50.51 | DomZ | I don't understand how you do with WP8 closed source code ... at least with android you can do nearly what you want |
| 19:51.37 | Cotulla | well I am on dark side with DFT |
| 19:51.45 | Cotulla | don't forget that :) |
| 19:51.48 | DomZ | lol |
| 19:51.53 | Cotulla | it's not really true |
| 19:51.55 | EdLin | lol |
| 19:52.00 | Cotulla | on Android u can do limited number of tasks |
| 19:52.16 | DomZ | I mean on Android you have the source code |
| 19:52.22 | Cotulla | not full |
| 19:52.33 | Cotulla | OEM drivers are missing often |
| 19:52.39 | Cotulla | and they are pain often |
| 19:52.44 | EdLin | yeah, device drivers aren't open source on most platforms. |
| 19:52.58 | Cotulla | as well OEMs never open their code |
| 19:53.09 | Cotulla | only AOSP open |
| 19:53.11 | EdLin | yeah, the sense modders know about that. |
| 19:53.18 | Cotulla | while real Android on devices is different |
| 19:53.23 | Cotulla | every vendor modify something inside |
| 19:53.51 | Cotulla | so u have only _basic_ source code, which is still different |
| 19:53.54 | EdLin | this is kind of why I went with Nexus, I'm not a Cotulla that I can hack something when I don't have any source around. :) |
| 19:54.03 | DomZ | but at least you have something, on WP8 you have nothing |
| 19:54.28 | DomZ | but DFT have backdoors on MS dev center :) |
| 19:54.49 | Cotulla | on WP8 u have desktop Windows |
| 19:56.37 | Cotulla | actually WP8 is not so cool like I wanted |
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| 19:58.10 | DomZ | yeah me too, but I used android for many years and I still prefer WP8 to any other mobile OS |
| 19:59.11 | DomZ | well I din't try firefox OS yet ... |
| 19:59.52 | DomZ | and the new blacberry OS |
| 20:00.00 | DomZ | +k |
| 20:00.04 | EdLin | I kind of liked webOS. |
| 20:00.16 | EdLin | but that died thanks to Palm and death-by-CEO at HP. |
| 20:00.41 | DomZ | yeah this one died before I could get a hand on it lol |
| 20:01.12 | EdLin | my first smartphone was a Centro, then a Palm Pre a year later when Sprint was still doing yearly upgrades. |
| 20:01.52 | Cotulla | oh |
| 20:01.54 | EdLin | then I went to T-Mobile, got a horrible Cliq XT for free with a $50 rebate added. So I got an HTC HD2 off of a journalist on twitter. |
| 20:02.30 | EdLin | "Cliq XT, on Android 1.5 with Motoblur for best user experience." - Motorolla |
| 20:02.43 | DomZ | lol |
| 20:02.44 | EdLin | eventually Cyanogenmod 7 was available for it, but it was still dog slow. |
| 20:03.25 | EdLin | stock was unbearable, it would strain so much trying to run Motoblur on 1.5 that it would miss calls. |
| 20:03.26 | DomZ | Cyanogenmod has saved a lot of android device ^^ |
| 20:04.15 | DomZ | there is too many android devices with poor manufacturer support |
| 20:04.37 | EdLin | they actually promised a 2.1 upgrade and reneged on it. |
| 20:05.09 | EdLin | claimed it wasn't possible to run, yet CM7 ran better on it than anything Motorola made for it. |
| 20:05.38 | EdLin | it was still laggy tho. |
| 20:05.44 | DomZ | Motorola = Google :) |
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| 20:05.59 | EdLin | I'm not complaining though, T-Mobile paid me $50 to have it. |
| 20:06.34 | EdLin | and I got the HTC HD2 for not much more than on-contract at launch price. |
| 20:06.48 | DomZ | same for me |
| 20:06.49 | EdLin | brb |
| 20:09.00 | Cotulla | lol old good times |
| 20:09.20 | DomZ | thanks to Cotulla and rom cookers my phone what still a good phone |
| 20:09.31 | Cotulla | :D |
| 20:09.31 | DomZ | now it seems it's time to change ;) |
| 20:09.46 | Cotulla | it was very good that only 2 models |
| 20:09.51 | Cotulla | ONE has around 6 models |
| 20:10.02 | DomZ | but I could not go back to android for sure :) |
| 20:10.40 | Cotulla | hm u are not Android fan? |
| 20:11.08 | DomZ | no, I was just wondering how you work with closed sources |
| 20:11.16 | Cotulla | IDA |
| 20:11.17 | Cotulla | :D |
| 20:11.28 | DomZ | :) |
| 20:11.33 | EdLin | I'm not much of an Android fan, but I appreciate that there's more apps, and source comes in handy. |
| 20:12.04 | EdLin | DomZ, real programmers don't need source, they decompile the binaries by sight. |
| 20:12.14 | Cotulla | lol |
| 20:12.26 | Cotulla | well "source comes" it's not so true, remember |
| 20:12.36 | Cotulla | for Android |
| 20:12.53 | EdLin | true, if you're doing stuff for the hardware. |
| 20:13.29 | EdLin | or want to have better Google apps. ;) |
| 20:13.34 | DomZ | it's easy with .NET or java code, but I didn't tought that it could be done with C/C++ libs |
| 20:14.34 | DomZ | and also with obfuscating that could be the hell |
| 20:15.23 | Cotulla | yes |
| 20:15.53 | DomZ | but since Cotulla can read ASM code ... |
| 20:17.00 | Cotulla | it's not just code, but more like "shape" |
| 20:17.11 | Cotulla | u need much time to read everyline |
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