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| 04:16.41 | detule | hey jonpry |
| 04:16.54 | jonpry | hey |
| 04:18.04 | detule | i tried to compress those android patches so as to not spam the commit log -> this branch look ok to merge on top of htc-msm-3.4? https://gitorious.org/~detule/linux-msm-rhod/detules-linux-msm-rhod/commits/3.4-to_merge?page=1 |
| 04:19.18 | jonpry | looks good to me |
| 04:19.25 | jonpry | fix that sod? |
| 04:19.49 | jonpry | if you plug in the usb can you get adb when it's dead? |
| 04:20.11 | detule | no, adb devices sees the phone but reports it as "offline" |
| 04:20.36 | detule | with this i can't seem to replicate it anymore https://gitorious.org/~detule/linux-msm-rhod/detules-linux-msm-rhod/commit/479cb49cbaed74c667127f217b3a7a62aa25a193 |
| 04:20.41 | detule | that's not to say it's fixed |
| 04:20.55 | detule | it just moves the check for active wakelocks to earlier in the suspend process |
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| 04:31.43 | jonpry | interesting |
| 04:52.33 | detule | this way it doesn't try to freeze the kernel threads or suspend devices if there is an active wake lock |
| 04:52.51 | detule | it bails on suspend earlier in the process |
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| 15:38.21 | Cotulla | hello |
| 15:50.34 | zeusk | hi |
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| 16:14.40 | Alex[sp3dev] | good evening guys |
| 16:18.40 | zeusk | hey alex |
| 16:18.45 | zeusk | how is uboot ? |
| 16:29.11 | Alex[sp3dev] | zeusk: it works. even reboot-to-recovery and shutdown works now. only firmware update is not there. since we can't probably get rid of xloader (seems OEM keys are blown efuses), I think we're moving on to userland work |
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| 17:04.37 | zeusk | array access is fast or using pointer + offset with type cast ? |
| 17:06.38 | Alex[sp3dev] | that's the same |
| 17:06.51 | Alex[sp3dev] | by definition, a[i] == *(a + i) |
| 17:07.07 | Alex[sp3dev] | therefore, you can even write 1["fuck"] and that will be 'u' |
| 17:07.46 | zeusk | hmm, but can array access be different for diff compilers ? using optimisation flags etc... ? |
| 17:08.34 | Alex[sp3dev] | no, array is always a contiguous memory area. either way, 1. what is your task and 2. never try to optimize low-level things without running a profiler first |
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| 17:09.58 | zeusk | 1) loading byte of bitmap which has some data to wether execute a task or not, something like what lk did for fonts |
| 17:10.04 | Cotulla | it can be only virtual contiguous, but not physical :D |
| 17:10.38 | zeusk | that's only if it's not in .data section |
| 17:11.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: true but that's the same when working with pointers in virtual memory |
| 17:11.23 | Cotulla | not always |
| 17:12.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | a counterexample maybe? |
| 17:12.12 | zeusk | i thought malloc and such allocate contigious memory.. |
| 17:12.25 | zeusk | yeah, example ? |
| 17:15.56 | Cotulla | when it passed to some device after without MMU |
| 17:16.43 | Cotulla | but Alexx is right - almost doesn't matter pointer or array substriction |
| 17:16.48 | Cotulla | but sometimes it does |
| 17:17.16 | Cotulla | for example compiler can replace loop from i = 0 to 10 via 10 to 0, while with pointer it usually can't do that |
| 17:17.17 | zeusk | alex, what profiler do you recommend ? |
| 17:17.41 | zeusk | hmm |
| 17:19.27 | Alex[sp3dev] | zeusk: i only know gprof and oprofile for userland apps in linux. not sure you can profile kernel without jtag/swd and a gdb transport |
| 17:20.48 | Alex[sp3dev] | zeusk: well, you can write a simple profiler yourself. at least you can measure time spent in a function. but you may test your code in userland before adding it to lk |
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| 17:23.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | my review of windows 8: it sucks |
| 17:23.14 | raymonddull | yeah that was my review too |
| 17:23.14 | Alex[sp3dev] | http://piccy.info/view3/3145323/96d968ee4abce0f387acfe42888f1ecb/orig/ where is the fucking start button? |
| 17:23.27 | raymonddull | you have to push the mouse to the bottom left corner and it pops up |
| 17:23.28 | zeusk | it is there in rtm |
| 17:23.48 | zeusk | ray, that is the metro start |
| 17:24.00 | Alex[sp3dev] | raymonddull: i feel perverted doing that. you know, pushing the pointer to the corner |
| 17:24.26 | raymonddull | lol |
| 17:24.31 | raymonddull | zeusk, yeah |
| 17:24.53 | raymonddull | I tried the registry hack that worked in the previous ones, in the consumer preview or whatever the latest was, it didnt work |
| 17:24.57 | raymonddull | (build 8400) |
| 17:25.11 | zeusk | i give it 8/10 most old stuff works without problem, faster bootup and less glitches than win 7 |
| 17:25.26 | raymonddull | personally if my gpu didn't suck I'd probably be using it |
| 17:25.35 | raymonddull | but anything with hardware acceleration went retarded |
| 17:25.42 | zeusk | 8400 is release preview |
| 17:25.45 | raymonddull | like weird textures rendering wrong |
| 17:25.55 | zeusk | what gpu is that ? |
| 17:25.55 | raymonddull | or stuff showing up just white |
| 17:26.02 | raymonddull | geforce 7400 go |
| 17:26.07 | Alex[sp3dev] | win8 is slow as fuck on virtualbox |
| 17:26.14 | Alex[sp3dev] | and OMAPFlash didn't work under it |
| 17:26.23 | raymonddull | Alex[sp3dev], its because its trying to use 3d hardware accel for everything |
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| 17:27.33 | raymonddull | which on a decent computer would work fine |
| 17:27.44 | raymonddull | but when you only have drivers from 2008 it doesnt work so well |
| 17:29.08 | Alex[sp3dev] | i have linux, that explains a lot. well. there's probably some radeon 6950 or something in that box, but i'm not sure virtualbox and opensource radeon driver deliver blazing speeds |
| 17:30.02 | zeusk | 6950 :o that is a monster |
| 17:30.36 | Alex[sp3dev] | i really don't remember whether that is 6950, 6750 or what. I just remember it was some radeon |
| 17:31.10 | Alex[sp3dev] | the good thing about opensource drivers is that once they support your hardware, you just install them and forget it |
| 17:31.20 | raymonddull | lol yup |
| 17:31.31 | raymonddull | the sad thing is linux supports my card better than windows |
| 17:31.32 | zeusk | never had problem with nvidia's driver on linux.. |
| 17:31.54 | raymonddull | the newest driver I can get windows 7 to install is 179.80 or something like that, while in linux its in the 300s |
| 17:32.10 | zeusk | ray, though nvidia calls their unified driver model good, it's total crap, half the things in the driver don't work on my older 9600gt |
| 17:32.23 | raymonddull | yeah |
| 17:32.33 | raymonddull | now step back 2 more generations and I have a 7400go |
| 17:32.41 | raymonddull | or my mbp has an 8600gt |
| 17:33.42 | Alex[sp3dev] | my old desktop at parents' house has gf6800 |
| 17:34.00 | raymonddull | pretty good card for its time |
| 17:34.12 | raymonddull | still not too terrible, probably about on par with my 8600 |
| 17:34.28 | Alex[sp3dev] | it can run gnome shell with nouveau... |
| 17:34.44 | Alex[sp3dev] | under windows i even played some cool games with it |
| 17:35.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | even need for speed most wanted works fine under wine with nvidia driver |
| 17:35.04 | raymonddull | everything since the geforce 5xxx series supports aero so I'm not surprised that the top of the 6xxx line could handle anything |
| 17:35.49 | zeusk | intel 945g supports aero.. intel has the best driver support in both windows and linux |
| 17:36.14 | raymonddull | as laughable as that sounds, yes I will totally agree |
| 17:36.20 | raymonddull | they suck at gaming performance |
| 17:36.24 | raymonddull | but for drivers they are awesome |
| 17:37.19 | Alex[sp3dev] | yeah, intel hd3000 in my laptop is as amazing as radeo hd3450 in the old one. even more amazing, webgl works in chromium |
| 17:37.47 | raymonddull | mine says my card may not deliver optimal performance but I can force enable anyway |
| 17:38.47 | Alex[sp3dev] | yes but.. radeon driver is crap and X just crashes every now and then |
| 17:41.59 | Cotulla | virtual box doesn't provide D3D at all AFAIK |
| 17:42.06 | Cotulla | only crappy open gl ? |
| 17:42.15 | raymonddull | I think you're right |
| 17:42.17 | Cotulla | as well VMWare doesn't not provide OpenGL |
| 17:42.27 | Cotulla | and D3D also works with glitches |
| 17:42.29 | raymonddull | vmware tries D3D but doesnt work that great. |
| 17:42.31 | raymonddull | yeah |
| 17:42.43 | Cotulla | like asses instead of faces in games :D |
| 17:42.48 | zeusk | zune works fine on vmware, so i guess d3d is working for me |
| 17:43.05 | Cotulla | zune may not need d3d? |
| 17:43.32 | zeusk | not sure, but in 'premium' mode, it requires Dx9 |
| 17:54.39 | Alex[sp3dev] | virtualbox does translate crappy d3d to opengl. and it even works for w7. but in w8 graphics are corrupted |
| 17:55.10 | zeusk | alex, just install it to some old/crappy hdd you have |
| 17:55.15 | raymonddull | thats basically what my gpu does |
| 17:55.21 | raymonddull | it works somewhat ok in w7 |
| 17:55.24 | raymonddull | terrible in 8 |
| 17:55.36 | Alex[sp3dev] | zeusk: the whole point of vm is not having to reboot |
| 17:55.41 | raymonddull | then there's this whole "no batteries detected" while I'm running on battery |
| 17:55.43 | raymonddull | so thats fun |
| 18:10.27 | zeusk | agreed alex, but using emulated stuff => total crap. hardware virtualisation is still new and not many support it.. |
| 18:12.04 | raymonddull | my dell xps m1210 from 2007 supports it. |
| 18:12.08 | raymonddull | so its not THAT new |
| 18:12.50 | raymonddull | I mean sure it was about as close as you could get to a 12" gaming laptop back then but still |
| 18:13.12 | Alex[sp3dev] | zeusk: hardware virtualization won't help when you have one display and one gpu. with multiple GPUs it is possible to use a dedicated gpu in a vm, but it's not very useful in most cases |
| 18:14.29 | zeusk | they should make a hardware level hypervisor which allow multiple OS to be run at the same time, but them memory management and IO will be very confusing and complex |
| 18:17.30 | Alex[sp3dev] | zeusk: intel vt-x is a hardware hypervisor. you can run xen on it. and you can even use io devices in VM with kvm/xen with vt-d |
| 18:18.33 | zeusk | hmm, i have conroe cpu :( e4500 |
| 18:19.00 | zeusk | though it overclocks good, thanks to the 11x clock multiplier |
| 18:20.11 | zeusk | LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njos57IJf-0 |
| 18:29.41 | DuperMan | get me intel orange san diego.I promise to love it for the novelty |
| 18:30.01 | DuperMan | +hi |
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| 18:31.54 | raymonddull | I have a yonah cpu |
| 18:31.57 | raymonddull | t2500 |
| 18:32.11 | DuperMan | sony umpc? |
| 18:32.31 | DuperMan | used to love umpcs. remember ms origami? |
| 18:32.32 | DuperMan | ^^ |
| 18:33.36 | DuperMan | http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=1021 " |
| 18:35.19 | raymonddull | nah dell xps m1210 |
| 18:35.32 | raymonddull | and yes I loved the sony umpcs but never had the $ |
| 18:35.46 | DuperMan | same :) good, hindsight |
| 18:36.40 | DuperMan | had a whatever-not-arm-but-sounded-similar-back-then cpu gigabyte umpc, for a couple of months |
| 18:36.57 | DuperMan | shortest surviving gadget I had |
| 18:37.35 | DuperMan | I actually sold it while it retained decent value |
| 18:39.15 | raymonddull | closest i've had to an umpc is an eee701 |
| 18:41.21 | DuperMan | hmmm... used to think netbooks were touchless fail-wonder back then |
| 18:41.26 | DuperMan | was right, but slowly |
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| 19:27.58 | zeusk | nemesis, your network ... |
| 19:28.10 | Cotulla | or his cat |
| 19:28.25 | zeusk | cat ? :o |
| 19:29.19 | Cotulla | yep :P |
| 19:30.10 | zeusk | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LAlxkvTtA60/TW6IeR5PiuI/AAAAAAAAF6k/EcMAeaeGTyw/s1600/On%2BThe%2BInternet%2B-%2BNo%2BOne%2BKnows%2BYou%2527re%2BA%2BCat.jpeg |
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| 23:12.37 | Cotulla | network crassh |
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| 23:38.59 | jonpry | cat is not back? |
| 23:40.18 | Cotulla | it died because it ate too much mana :( |
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| 23:40.31 | zeusk | what is mana ? |
| 23:40.39 | Cotulla | a source for magic . . . |
| 23:40.47 | haz3lnut | bread? |
| 23:40.48 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 23:40.54 | Cotulla | no mana |
| 23:40.57 | arrrghhh | it's like cheese, for wizards. |
| 23:40.58 | Cotulla | it was a magic cat |
| 23:41.19 | Cotulla | it was wizardish cat with 79 level |
| 23:41.25 | haz3lnut | yo mana, donta messa wit my stuff mana! |
| 23:41.45 | raymonddull | is oom |
| 23:41.51 | Cotulla | out of memory |
| 23:41.54 | raymonddull | no magic for me. :( |
| 23:41.55 | Cotulla | good |
| 23:41.57 | raymonddull | no, out of mana |
| 23:42.00 | arrrghhh | hah |
| 23:42.01 | Cotulla | lol |
| 23:42.02 | raymonddull | wow reference. |
| 23:42.03 | Cotulla | :D |
| 23:42.16 | Cotulla | I never played to wow |
| 23:42.30 | Cotulla | I think it will be too boring after diassembling :( |
| 23:42.46 | arrrghhh | masochist ^^ |
| 23:42.48 | Cotulla | and why word "diassembling" contains "ass" inside? |
| 23:42.52 | Cotulla | :O |
| 23:42.57 | arrrghhh | assassin has it 2x |
| 23:43.00 | arrrghhh | :D |
| 23:43.04 | zeusk | lol |
| 23:43.16 | Cotulla | yes but it's proper there |
| 23:43.20 | arrrghhh | proper? |
| 23:43.21 | arrrghhh | ass ass in? |
| 23:43.23 | Cotulla | yes |
| 23:43.25 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 23:43.36 | Cotulla | looks very logical |
| 23:43.42 | Cotulla | "a double ass for u" |
| 23:43.45 | arrrghhh | hahaha |
| 23:43.49 | raymonddull | lolol |
| 23:43.51 | arrrghhh | totally logical ^^ |
| 23:44.09 | Cotulla | yep |
| 23:44.50 | raymonddull | so this is going to be interesting. I have $32 for gas to get to and from work for 2 weeks. |
| 23:45.09 | raymonddull | this is after emptying all the change in my room and car. |
| 23:45.22 | Cotulla | :( |
| 23:45.23 | raymonddull | so... I guess its time to sell something. |
| 23:45.31 | Cotulla | do not sell mana |
| 23:45.38 | arrrghhh | kidneys go for a pretty penny |
| 23:45.40 | zeusk | LOL, gnome is copying win8 login screen :o https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/ScreenLock |
| 23:45.49 | arrrghhh | screw plasma, selling that is a ripoff |
| 23:45.51 | raymonddull | lol |
| 23:46.10 | raymonddull | I'm probably going to sell the macbook pro that got shipped back to me because the dumbass that bought it doesn't know how to read |
| 23:46.20 | arrrghhh | reading is hard |
| 23:46.22 | Cotulla | how to read? |
| 23:46.23 | Cotulla | lol |
| 23:46.26 | Cotulla | yes |
| 23:46.28 | Cotulla | it's hard |
| 23:46.32 | arrrghhh | sorry. comprehending is hard. |
| 23:47.15 | Cotulla | it's hard to read 'comprehending' |
| 23:47.18 | Cotulla | 100% |
| 23:47.22 | raymonddull | anyway, thats the reason I have -$187 in my paypal right now. |
| 23:47.32 | zeusk | ... |
| 23:47.34 | Cotulla | it allows credit? |
| 23:47.47 | arrrghhh | negative money |
| 23:47.49 | raymonddull | yeah when ebay buyer protection puts a hold on the amount and you don't have the funds for it. |
| 23:48.53 | raymonddull | its kind of a bummer because there's no way in hell I'm going to get it to sell for that much again. |
| 23:49.07 | raymonddull | http://www.ebay.com/itm/270977914010?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649 |
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| 23:50.06 | jonpry | lion was probably the clincher |
| 23:50.18 | arrrghhh | so what pissed him off? the dead pixels? |
| 23:50.19 | jonpry | no way in hell i would by a macbook pro w/o |
| 23:50.37 | raymonddull | nah he said the dvd drive didn't work. |
| 23:50.42 | raymonddull | it worked when I had it here |
| 23:50.47 | raymonddull | and it works now that its back here |
| 23:50.50 | raymonddull | he's just stupid. |
| 23:50.54 | arrrghhh | oh |
| 23:50.54 | arrrghhh | hrm |
| 23:51.00 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 23:51.23 | raymonddull | but yeah I'm going to relist it probably on monday |
| 23:51.27 | raymonddull | too lazy to do it right now |
| 23:51.30 | jonpry | nm. i read that as li-ion somehow |
| 23:51.35 | raymonddull | heh |
| 23:51.56 | raymonddull | I'll list it with a new battery this time, I have an extra one I bought for the next repair project. that should boost value a little bit |
| 23:52.27 | jonpry | i think stuff is worth more the more you take it apart |
| 23:52.53 | zeusk | hmm, in start it mentions 200gb hdd but at end it says only 20... |
| 23:53.00 | jonpry | like ford taurus is 250k in bolts |
| 23:53.47 | raymonddull | yeah well it says 200gb because ebay forces the stupid description that is always wrong. |
| 23:54.01 | raymonddull | I have a 120 here somewhere I'll throw that in this time |
| 23:54.07 | raymonddull | I want to get as much as possible out of this thing. |
| 23:54.52 | raymonddull | jonpry, that reminds me, I need to take my grand prix apart and clean all the power steering fluid that leaked all over the place. |
| 23:55.02 | zeusk | lol, i wonder why |
| 23:55.11 | raymonddull | bought it like that |
| 23:55.13 | zeusk | why'd you buy this crap ? |
| 23:55.18 | raymonddull | because I haz no monies |
| 23:55.21 | raymonddull | and it was $800 |
| 23:55.34 | raymonddull | for a 91 grand prix that runs great |
| 23:55.49 | raymonddull | power steering pump and some wiring issues are all that was wrong with it. |
| 23:56.07 | raymonddull | I mean sure it has 202k miles but meh it gets me to and from work |
| 23:56.45 | arrrghhh | no ponitac with 200k runs great :P |
| 23:57.15 | raymonddull | mine does. |
| 23:57.24 | zeusk | 100 more and you reach the moon ;) |
| 23:57.32 | raymonddull | its rusty but the engine is going strong |
| 23:57.56 | zeusk | if that was miles, then just ~30k more :D |
| 23:58.37 | raymonddull | yes thats in miles |
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