| 00:00.29 | jonpry | ? |
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| 00:08.24 | detule | google also has a 3.4 tree up...those folks must be testing it on some arm devices |
| 00:10.25 | jonpry | sometimes i think they clone a repo like as soon as it drops and then never get it to work |
| 00:11.04 | jonpry | they can't actually be faster than us :p |
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| 00:30.40 | Alex[sp3dev] | i bet they can be faster. money is probably a better stimulator than mixing cola and coffee |
| 00:47.41 | jonpry | i'm not sure google is all that interested in switching to the latest kernel immediately |
| 00:48.24 | jonpry | enough people come in here and tell me to stop. and they are not even paying me |
| 00:49.23 | detule | who's telling you to stop? |
| 00:50.26 | jonpry | tons of people. walter79 comes to mind |
| 00:50.56 | jonpry | new kernels new bugs, old device .... |
| 00:51.11 | detule | i think in this day and age when samsung and htc seem to release their kernel sources....we should start an "up-to-date kernel project"...port their /mach-* from their dated kernels |
| 00:51.31 | detule | make an autobuild releasing weeklies with korg updates...and somehow get paid for it |
| 00:51.54 | jonpry | we would need a lot of phones for the testing |
| 00:51.56 | detule | yes walter79 certainly is an authority on the development front |
| 00:52.25 | jonpry | and somehow need to achieve this armv6 and armv7 merge |
| 00:52.46 | jonpry | i had high hopes for leo |
| 00:53.00 | jonpry | but it seems i will need an hd2 |
| 00:53.10 | detule | we'd need capital, perhaps we can get some google sponsorship |
| 00:53.27 | jonpry | become the next lenaro? |
| 00:53.38 | detule | we'd be much cheaper |
| 00:54.02 | detule | even after paying Alex[sp3dev] and Cotulla's green card application fees |
| 00:54.43 | jonpry | linux should just pay us |
| 00:54.53 | jonpry | to fix the arm debacle |
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| 00:55.06 | jonpry | and git plague |
| 00:55.43 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, really, the only way to fix mess is to start over. i mean, mainlinize things when doing a new device. otherwise cleaning crap after vendors means rewriting everythung |
| 00:56.09 | jonpry | if someone actually maintained a tree that worked on all phones. i think it would need to get mainlined or linus needs to fire himself |
| 00:56.39 | detule | lol |
| 00:57.39 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, for a start, i'd want to see at least one phone that fully works with mainline and not freerunner |
| 00:58.18 | jonpry | like rhodium? |
| 00:58.33 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, you'll have hard times pushing it upstream ;) |
| 00:58.40 | detule | lies |
| 00:59.13 | jonpry | once we support the already mainlines devices it will be easy |
| 00:59.26 | Alex[sp3dev] | so we need to get a g1? |
| 00:59.28 | detule | jonpry, if and when you ever get 3.4 off the ground, i think it wouldn't be a bad idea to start a korg-master branch, patch-it, and keep-it-up-to-date |
| 01:00.25 | jonpry | what is korg-master ? |
| 01:01.18 | detule | i might be wrong, but all the rc's are just tags on the master branch |
| 01:01.29 | jonpry | like linux-next? |
| 01:03.58 | jonpry | i'm not sure if that would be more or less work than what we have going on. i had trouble with rc's in the past. kind of like we are having now with the release |
| 01:07.16 | Alex[sp3dev] | gn guys, i'm off to bed. need to think this situation with linux over |
| 01:09.12 | detule | we would need a lot of devices for this up-to-date-android-kernel project....but we can start with the two hottest ones say sgs3 and one x....once word gets around we hire interns :) |
| 01:10.04 | detule | plenty of cheap labour in the android world...i mean look at all of us |
| 01:10.26 | jonpry | do they get glocks? |
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| 01:12.02 | detule | nobody ever gave me a glock |
| 01:13.13 | alexst | hmm. i think i'll be given a gnex at work |
| 01:13.38 | jonpry | how are we going to get paid for this latest kernel thing |
| 01:13.45 | alexst | oh yeah, it's me, just logged in from a pda |
| 01:13.45 | jonpry | who even wants the latest kernel |
| 01:14.05 | detule | everyone it's a numbers thing |
| 01:14.10 | alexst | even not me |
| 01:14.15 | detule | why run 3.3 when you can 3.4 |
| 01:14.18 | alexst | i want a working one |
| 01:14.32 | jonpry | maybe some users. but google and htc won't like this |
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| 01:15.06 | alexst | atm i want ubuntu on sgs2. and you know, its not abou kernel but about v4l/alsa/rpc |
| 01:15.30 | jonpry | i think you secretly want a newer kernel |
| 01:15.35 | jonpry | i mean if it was there |
| 01:15.52 | jonpry | and all you had to do was run across a burning bridge |
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| 01:18.37 | alexst | ok, i'll try to port kovsky and photon to rhod tree tonight |
| 01:19.15 | alexst | i know what i really need to do |
| 01:19.30 | jonpry | 3.3? |
| 01:19.35 | detule | so it begins... |
| 01:19.37 | alexst | nope |
| 01:20.55 | jonpry | hrm |
| 01:21.09 | alexst | i need to write a rant about common mispractice in oem kernels like same mtype, hacking vs pdata etc and provide a porting guide with the rationale |
| 01:21.37 | jonpry | if not 3.3 what? that is the best we have. nand capable and all |
| 01:22.45 | alexst | i mean, we need to work with people, not hardware this time. need to spread mainline dream around |
| 01:24.06 | jonpry | rants are always good |
| 01:24.26 | alexst | yeah, just didn't have time |
| 01:24.39 | alexst | may was all school and job |
| 01:25.04 | jonpry | i think the community just wants some results. some people that actually care and can clean up the crud that is qualcomm |
| 01:25.33 | detule | i think google's trees are worse than qualcomm |
| 01:25.58 | alexst | well samsung and omap have less crap but their trees are still too different from vanilla |
| 01:26.45 | detule | i compiled the sgs3 kernel yesterday....had to disable strict GCC error checking -> it wouldn't compile because it had so many derps |
| 01:28.29 | alexst | hm. ok, what hw do we have? i have msm7200a msm7227 tegra2 and exynos. probably a omap4 gnex @ work but that one is destined to be delinuxified |
| 01:28.49 | jonpry | no effort is made to unify any of this. they don't make patches. just bolt on whatever they need to make it work and be done with it |
| 01:31.45 | alexst | we can make an experiment at being the second linaro and try to have a single tree for our devices |
| 01:32.50 | detule | that would be hard...certainly with all these wince devices |
| 01:32.55 | detule | mach-wince ? |
| 01:33.01 | detule | :p |
| 01:33.26 | jonpry | really we just have different clock,dex and smd |
| 01:33.51 | detule | pm |
| 01:33.59 | jonpry | dex and smd are simple problems |
| 01:34.08 | jonpry | yeah some pm |
| 01:34.15 | alexst | the dilemma is to keep ifdeddery or duplicate files |
| 01:34.23 | jonpry | or runtime |
| 01:34.59 | alexst | well the problem with ifdef or runtime is that we'll have a lot of merge conflicts |
| 01:35.22 | jonpry | maybe we will do all 3. and submit all patches to mainlines. say for those of you who think we are dumb. use patchset 2 or 3 |
| 01:36.15 | alexst | i think now that we have rewritten everything and 3.3 is working we can try to clean up a tiny bit and submit patches |
| 01:36.54 | jonpry | there are actually some pretty serious issues |
| 01:37.19 | alexst | like what |
| 01:37.41 | alexst | qdsp and camera are of course not mainlineable |
| 01:38.07 | jonpry | we require a video driver that is not in mainline. can't use the mainline usb stack |
| 01:38.29 | jonpry | pretty much have to rip out anything android specific |
| 01:39.32 | alexst | at least fb, pm, wifi, bt working from mainline would be a lot |
| 01:39.39 | alexst | usb is fixable |
| 01:39.57 | jonpry | something like they did with trout i'm guessing. that boardfile doesn't support really any hardware |
| 01:40.34 | alexst | there is an alternative |
| 01:40.49 | alexst | duplicate code files to avoid merge conflicts |
| 01:42.09 | jonpry | i would just ignore all merge conflicts. all existing boards in mach-msm are unmaintained. so our code is the standard |
| 01:42.32 | alexst | that's the spirit |
| 01:42.44 | alexst | i guess oems think the same |
| 01:44.21 | detule | i have no idea why quic/CA is so statically tied to 3.0 |
| 01:44.55 | alexst | lts? |
| 01:48.07 | detule | sure but being tethered to lts i would think makes their life harder going forward |
| 01:51.26 | detule | and opens up the door for up-to-date-android-kernel buahaha |
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| 02:42.06 | haz3lnut | good evening |
| 02:42.44 | haz3lnut | Maybe wrong channel, but maybe someone smart here can help. |
| 02:43.40 | haz3lnut | I installed debian along side my android on evo 4g lte, and I wanna know how I can make bootdeb start when the phone boots. |
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| 04:32.23 | Alex[sp3dev] | do you guys think this sucks enough? http://pastebin.com/scYSCQ0D |
| 04:47.43 | jonpry | how's that rant coming? |
| 04:51.20 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, i had a little sleep, so no rant. so now i'll take a train to moscow. will probably write the "essay" during the ride |
| 04:51.43 | Alex[sp3dev] | bye |
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| 22:20.35 | JC_ | Hi... |
| 22:20.56 | JC_ | Im trying to acomplish my work... |
| 22:21.05 | JC_ | And found #define MICROP_I2C_RCMD_GSENSOR_X_DATA0x77 #define MICROP_I2C_RCMD_GSENSOR_Y_DATA0x78 #define MICROP_I2C_RCMD_GSENSOR_Z_DATA0x79 |
| 22:21.16 | JC_ | In /include/linux/microp.h |
| 22:23.17 | JC_ | So... microp-bma150.c probe bma150 on microp and i2c |
| 22:25.02 | JC_ | I guess if we can use that driver... we could have accelerometer |
| 22:25.39 | JC_ | But Im lost here... How can I disable the bma150.c and use this one??? |
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| 22:28.18 | JC_ | Trying keypad_brightness_set I didnt get any results... Leds work... But no light up keypad |
| 22:31.08 | JC_ | detule?? Alex??? jonpry??? Anyone??? |
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| 22:41.49 | Alex[sp3dev] | jonpry: hi |
| 22:42.23 | Alex[sp3dev] | jonpry: i've put up a blog for ranting so i'll try to put my mental crap there http://allsoftwaresucks.blogspot.com/ |
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