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| 16:37.26 | malcontent | hello. How are the drivers for htc devices? And I mean are they open source modules or binary blobs? |
| 16:43.24 | Cotulla | both |
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| 16:44.58 | fpu | hey Cotulla |
| 16:46.38 | Cotulla | hey FSTMFD carrier |
| 16:46.42 | Cotulla | how are u? |
| 16:47.04 | Cotulla | lol who_are_we? dunno about u, but I am still human |
| 16:47.06 | Cotulla | :P |
| 16:48.47 | malcontent | where can I look for htc driver source? don't have try (fail at) finding data-sheets for all the little chips do I? |
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| 16:53.04 | Cotulla | what kind of? |
| 16:53.16 | Cotulla | kernel drivers is one thing. android drivers is another thing. |
| 16:53.50 | Cotulla | kernel drivers are open, but it doesn't mean that u can find datasheets for them. |
| 16:53.58 | Cotulla | android drivers are closed in most |
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| 17:11.50 | malcontent | oh, that's what I was worried about.. I mean like the drivers that talk to the gps chip/subsystem(?), mainly to enable that functionality w/out any kind of service, since the satelites are up the transmitting regardless, and it just isn't right I should not beable to use what I pay for in asmartphone.. |
| 17:12.56 | malcontent | if a person wanted to they could cobble tagether their own reciever for around $20, but that is a waste of time when the capabilities are already, everywhere |
| 17:14.11 | Cotulla | it's all closed of course |
| 17:14.30 | Cotulla | u can get only final data. like position and etc. |
| 17:15.06 | malcontent | so hex-editors and RE... lame |
| 17:15.17 | Cotulla | u pay for user experience man ;) |
| 17:16.20 | malcontent | meh, marketspeak |
| 17:16.26 | malcontent | thanx for the info |
| 17:16.53 | Cotulla | not all stuffs must be open to prevent usage for bad purposes |
| 17:17.25 | malcontent | most people with bad intent will find a way... |
| 17:17.45 | Cotulla | yeah, but only few |
| 17:17.47 | Alex[sp3dev] | bad purposes as in "if we publish camera code everyone will know we've stolen hw design from broadcom"? |
| 17:18.00 | Cotulla | Alex. that's too |
| 17:18.11 | Cotulla | actually somebody else can stole camera code which is complex |
| 17:18.41 | Alex[sp3dev] | if everyone stole camera code that'd be better than every vendor having his own implementation of camera and codecs stack |
| 17:18.53 | Cotulla | not for vendor |
| 17:19.04 | Cotulla | cuz other vendor get same for free |
| 17:19.26 | Alex[sp3dev] | anyway, fuck it. no time for chatting |
| 17:19.36 | Cotulla | or some china device will have same camera and be more cheap |
| 17:19.40 | Cotulla | :D |
| 17:19.53 | Cotulla | we (users) will win at the first time |
| 17:20.13 | Cotulla | haha |
| 17:20.28 | Alex[sp3dev] | but samsung and TI have open source camera. basically, open source everything except 3g gpu. which means they suck and will go bankrupt |
| 17:20.54 | Cotulla | they can't cuz it's PowerVR? |
| 17:21.25 | Cotulla | and there is everything inside published? |
| 17:21.27 | Alex[sp3dev] | yes. i don't know why ARM doesn't open source mali opengl, though. they've open sourced the 2d DRI driver for kernel and X11, though |
| 17:21.28 | Cotulla | for camera |
| 17:21.50 | Cotulla | QCT also made KGSL open source ;) |
| 17:21.54 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: for samsung and omap, camera code is in linux at kernel.org and it uses v4l2 |
| 17:22.07 | Cotulla | but are there filters and etc? |
| 17:22.28 | Alex[sp3dev] | which kind of filters are you talking about? |
| 17:22.45 | Cotulla | to remove artifacts from raw image, stabilize and etc |
| 17:22.52 | Cotulla | panorama and etc |
| 17:23.14 | Cotulla | detect the best mode for hardware |
| 17:23.23 | Cotulla | like gain and etc |
| 17:23.43 | Cotulla | WB |
| 17:24.09 | Cotulla | kernel driver also is open by QCT and ever has some string about v4l2. but it maybe doesn't work. |
| 17:24.43 | Alex[sp3dev] | depends. if they're implemented in hardware (firmware of camera sensor/isp), then they should work. i think on samsung (m5mols sensor) there's autofocus and on all sensors you can manually adjust wb/gain. as for 3A algos, they're probably not implemented in kernel, but at least you can capture video/image in full resolution using v4l2 api |
| 17:25.11 | Alex[sp3dev] | and as for samsung, iirc, userspace 3A code is also oss |
| 17:25.53 | Cotulla | raw capture is too simple, it should be possible with qct open source components |
| 17:26.35 | Alex[sp3dev] | with qct, unfortunately, it is not possible. at least with the current driver. i don't know how much modification it needs to work |
| 17:26.42 | Cotulla | and is it open for specific device? like SGS2? |
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| 17:27.11 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: it is open for SGS1 (and nexus s since it is the same device). just need to find code. it was in cm repo for sure |
| 17:27.21 | Cotulla | hehe |
| 17:27.28 | Cotulla | ok good to know |
| 17:27.43 | Cotulla | I will stay with my favorite QSD8250B for now still :P |
| 17:28.02 | Cotulla | but MSM8960 is cool |
| 17:28.14 | Alex[sp3dev] | is it A9 or A15? |
| 17:28.30 | Cotulla | they use own architecture Krait |
| 17:28.48 | Cotulla | seems some mosquito again |
| 17:29.51 | Cotulla | but they replaced mARM by 2 x QSDP6 :( |
| 17:30.53 | Cotulla | but it's not really very faster than 8250 seems |
| 17:30.59 | Cotulla | http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph5559/44377.png |
| 17:31.04 | Cotulla | here it's only in 3 times faster :D |
| 17:36.50 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: https://github.com/teamhacksung/android_hardware_samsung/tree/ics/exynos4 if you're interested. seems camera and fimc (fully integrated mobile camera) drivers are there |
| 17:40.05 | Cotulla | yeah but I don't see any post processing |
| 17:40.19 | Cotulla | seems they just moved code to Samsung Camera? |
| 17:41.05 | Alex[sp3dev] | which kind of post processing do you need? autofocus is done in hw by the camera sensor's dsp, white balance and exposure is handled by android camera |
| 17:41.46 | Cotulla | so it's inside dsp? |
| 17:42.19 | Cotulla | like I said stuffs which adjust hardware parameters or correct raw image |
| 17:42.44 | Cotulla | if all this inside DSP - well it's also closed source :) |
| 17:44.02 | Alex[sp3dev] | well.. afaiu, android's camera app adjusts wb/exposure. but i don't know. actually once you can capture raw stream and control the focus manually (and we can), these dsp algos quite simple, although computationally expensive |
| 17:45.15 | Cotulla | like CameraCoreServices8650.dll is 800 kb of code with a lot of math |
| 17:45.26 | Cotulla | same for android library |
| 17:46.26 | Cotulla | they are not simple I think cuz they need a lot of time, a lot of testing and etc |
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| 18:20.14 | fakker | privet |
| 18:20.39 | Alex[sp3dev] | vodka putin ololo |
| 18:20.48 | fakker | you voting for him? |
| 18:20.59 | fakker | or does he vote for you? |
| 18:21.05 | Alex[sp3dev] | the latter |
| 18:21.44 | fakker | :) |
| 18:24.01 | rz2k | in soviet russia... |
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| 19:01.20 | Cotulla | where u found it? |
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| 20:49.23 | mgross029 | Anyone see the Box.com deal? 50GB online storage for FREE 1GB file size limit. I opened two different account with different email addresses to get 100GB total. Just thought I would throw that out there if any didn't know. |
| 20:50.53 | mgross029 | Download the Android App and register from there |
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| 21:08.02 | hyc | cripes. way to get people to hit their monthly bandwidth caps |
| 21:09.46 | mgross029 | Well you can upload files from your PC. |
| 21:10.11 | hyc | sure |
| 21:10.18 | mgross029 | I would hope most people would not be uploading 50GB from their phone. :p |
| 21:10.23 | hyc | lol |
| 21:10.34 | hyc | up or down :P |
| 21:10.40 | mgross029 | True |
| 21:10.42 | bzo | that would be painfully slow on sprint |
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| 21:12.15 | bzo | hyc did you end up fixing your rhod? |
| 21:14.54 | bzo | so how do you store a 1gb file on box if you file size limit is 100mb? |
| 21:16.33 | Willd | bzo: break it up in parts? |
| 21:17.19 | bzo | well, then you would have multiple 100mb files... |
| 21:18.01 | Willd | Well yes, but you would store the file on the actual box :p |
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| 21:18.24 | bzo | will box recombine them for you? |
| 21:18.57 | Willd | Nope, you would have to download each part and then for say unzip them |
| 21:19.43 | bzo | trying to understand what box means when they say you can store a 1 gb file, but only allows you to upload 100mb ones |
| 21:20.13 | Willd | Use something like 7zip or winrar, to break it up into smaller archives, and then multi-upload them at the same time? |
| 21:21.24 | bzo | sure I understand what you are saying. I'm just pointing out that what box is saying they will let you do doesn't make sense |
| 21:21.43 | Willd | Ah :) |
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| 21:42.46 | hyc | bzo: been using my rhod210 nonstop. |
| 21:42.57 | hyc | The audio/mic problem seems to have gone away on its own. |
| 21:43.07 | bzo | gremlins |
| 21:43.08 | hyc | probably a loose connection that managed to reseat itself. dunno. |
| 21:44.41 | bzo | was thinking about switching to tmobile, even more tempting with the news today |
| 21:44.51 | hyc | which news? |
| 21:44.58 | Alex[sp3dev] | damn. old crew is here |
| 21:45.00 | bzo | switch to 1900mhz |
| 21:45.11 | hyc | ah yes, that looks great |
| 21:45.13 | bzo | hi Alex |
| 21:45.20 | hyc | howdy howdy |
| 21:45.39 | bzo | hyc heard that they started the refarming a few months ago and some areas are already 1900 |
| 21:45.48 | Alex[sp3dev] | so the news is that everyone has a new phone and no development has taken place for about two months ((( |
| 21:46.01 | hyc | heh |
| 21:46.11 | hyc | Alex: Still on the same rhod210 here |
| 21:46.13 | bzo | no new phone and no new dev on my side :P |
| 21:46.46 | Alex[sp3dev] | the best thing we can do is to add ifdef guards to xdandroid makefiles (hardware/ril/audio) and try to put up a cm7 manifest for automatic building for kovs/rhod |
| 21:46.49 | hyc | but hey, I fixed a stupid bug in the wifi driver. tho 1-liners hardly count as dev work ;) |
| 21:47.23 | bzo | but a great 1 line fix it is |
| 21:47.42 | Alex[sp3dev] | hyc: i spent half a year to track down suspend freezes with wl1251 and it was a one-liner fix, btw |
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| 21:48.16 | Klej | Hello |
| 21:48.19 | Alex[sp3dev] | hacking on msm has greatly improved my debugging skills ;) |
| 21:49.00 | Alex[sp3dev] | hyc: are you running haret? thought of switching to nand? |
| 21:49.09 | Klej | I need help |
| 21:49.21 | Alex[sp3dev] | Klej: state your problem |
| 21:49.29 | hyc | still running on haret |
| 21:49.31 | Klej | I have HTC TOUCH elf gms |
| 21:49.37 | Klej | gsm* |
| 21:49.44 | hyc | I would need to get myself to a windows box to run the unlock for my firmware |
| 21:49.44 | Klej | and i want to install android on him |
| 21:49.55 | Klej | is it possible ? |
| 21:50.03 | hyc | and I don't have any windows boxes any more |
| 21:50.09 | Alex[sp3dev] | Klej: search for linwizard project |
| 21:50.25 | Alex[sp3dev] | hyc: you can boot LK via haret and flash LK from LK. that's what I did on photon |
| 21:50.36 | Klej | my primary os is windows mobile |
| 21:50.38 | hyc | hmm, didn't know that |
| 21:50.51 | hyc | cool |
| 21:51.25 | Alex[sp3dev] | ok, i'll try to find the correct startup.txt for that |
| 21:54.21 | Klej | Alex[sp3dev] where to download linwizard |
| 21:55.02 | Alex[sp3dev] | hyc: http://pastebin.com/ksak71bN should work |
| 21:55.44 | mgross029 | bzo: the file size limit is up to 1GB, meaning an individual file can be up to 1GB in size. |
| 21:56.05 | hyc | Alex: thanks |
| 21:56.10 | hyc | hmmmm |
| 21:56.17 | Alex[sp3dev] | Klej: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/linwizard/wiki |
| 21:56.21 | hyc | so is OMGB about equal to GBX0B? |
| 21:56.38 | bzo | mgross029: my account says 100mb |
| 21:57.21 | Alex[sp3dev] | hyc: i'd think OMGB supports themes and other cm7 features |
| 21:57.21 | Klej | Alex[sp3dev] i've downloaded any file lcd1.rar |
| 21:57.31 | Alex[sp3dev] | hyc: why not ask Abel? |
| 21:58.00 | Alex[sp3dev] | i guess he doesn't talk to me anymore. not until i start hacking on msm again ;) |
| 21:58.27 | bzo | don't see him on irc much anymore |
| 21:58.50 | Alex[sp3dev] | i don't see arrrghhh as well |
| 21:59.12 | bzo | he's mostly on #xdandroid |
| 21:59.25 | Klej | Will someone helps me ? |
| 21:59.55 | Alex[sp3dev] | omg |
| 22:00.14 | Klej | Buddy i need help |
| 22:00.15 | mgross029 | bzo: I see that now. I saw the to 1GB on the pricing page... Probably does not apply when you sign up for the 50GB account. Sorry. http://www.box.com/pricing/ |
| 22:00.37 | Klej | I dont know which file i need to download and what to do with him |
| 22:01.06 | hyc | Alex: hm, don't ramsize/mtype have to match the actual phone? for startup.txt |
| 22:01.28 | bzo | mgross029: lol, their site is confusing. My accounts says: |
| 22:01.31 | bzo | Max file size: 100 MB — Upload files up to 2GB |
| 22:01.48 | Alex[sp3dev] | hyc: no, we just to force haret to load lk at 0x0. lk doesn't read atags anyway |
| 22:01.57 | Alex[sp3dev] | s/just\ /just\ need/ |
| 22:02.09 | mgross029 | Yeah I know... When you click on the sign up button it shows 25MB file size limit... HA |
| 22:02.20 | Alex[sp3dev] | and yes, you need to use lk.bin, not the nbh file. probably have to compile or rip it out of nbh |
| 22:02.31 | Alex[sp3dev] | Klej: http://wing-linux.sourceforge.net/trac/ |
| 22:03.19 | Klej | Omg |
| 22:03.19 | Alex[sp3dev] | for uber lazy people http://wing-linux.sourceforge.net/trac/ |
| 22:03.23 | Alex[sp3dev] | oops |
| 22:03.23 | Klej | no wifi,gsm... |
| 22:03.28 | Klej | whats th point ? |
| 22:03.29 | Alex[sp3dev] | http://sourceforge.net/projects/wing-linux/files/latest/download |
| 22:03.45 | Alex[sp3dev] | Klej: it was you who wanted to install android on Elf, not me |
| 22:04.14 | Klej | Thats not my question ! |
| 22:04.22 | Klej | If you are here,you need to help ppl |
| 22:05.12 | Alex[sp3dev] | i guess you download the zip file and there's a cab installer inside. You cannot blame anyone for the lack of gsm and wifi support |
| 22:05.58 | Klej | Where to post that question |
| 22:06.42 | mgross029 | Later guys... I'm out! Happy uploading!!! |
| 22:06.49 | hyc | lol |
| 22:06.51 | Alex[sp3dev] | as far as i understand, there's only one universal installer for all devices (the 'latest' in the wing-linux). just try it first |
| 22:06.56 | ali1234 | post it anywhere you like, you're not going to get a satisfactory answer |
| 22:07.29 | ali1234 | audio and wifi aren't going to work until YOU write a driver for them |
| 22:07.33 | Klej | is possible to make wifi or gsm works with linwizard ? |
| 22:07.42 | Klej | why dont work gsm ? |
| 22:07.55 | ali1234 | because there is no driver for it |
| 22:08.04 | Klej | but what's the point ? |
| 22:08.13 | ali1234 | if you need to task that then the answer is "none" |
| 22:08.16 | Klej | to give children to move the screen left right |
| 22:09.40 | Klej | i dont know what's the point of using linwizard or wing linux |
| 22:09.50 | ali1234 | then don't use it |
| 22:09.54 | Klej | if i cant use gsm or wifi |
| 22:09.54 | ali1234 | it is what it is |
| 22:10.45 | Klej | :S |
| 22:18.48 | hyc | Alex: when you say LK.bin, is that the same as LKxip? set ramsize 0x08000000 |
| 22:18.48 | hyc | set ramaddr 0x00000000 |
| 22:18.48 | hyc | set KERNEL lk.bin |
| 22:18.48 | hyc | set MTYPE 2006 |
| 22:18.48 | hyc | set TAGS_OFFSET 0x300000 |
| 22:18.49 | hyc | set KERNEL_OFFSET 0x0000 |
| 22:18.49 | hyc | pfw 0xa8250800 1 0 |
| 22:18.52 | hyc | oops |
| 22:19.02 | hyc | same as LKxip here https://gitorious.org/tinboot-for-linux-msm/tinboot-linux-msm/blobs/master/makelk.sh |
| 22:22.06 | Alex[sp3dev] | hyc: probably yes. actually, you can use lk.bin from lk's build-whatever directory. when flashing to nand, you'll probably need to use os.nb.payload. but I have not looked into Abel's code. be careful - you may end up with a non-booting device and you'll need to find stock signed ROM and use HTCFlasher then |
| 22:27.54 | hyc | oh joy |
| 22:39.06 | hyc | So let me get this straight - LK replaces the original bootloader? So the fact that I haven't got HardSPL right now won't matter? |
| 22:39.46 | Alex[sp3dev] | LK replaces winmo. it is wrapped inside an MBR header and SPL thinks it's wince's XIP kernel |
| 22:40.10 | hyc | hmmm. doesn't it need to be signed? |
| 22:40.30 | Alex[sp3dev] | since you'll be flashing from LK, no. LK does not have security checks |
| 22:40.35 | hyc | ahhh |
| 22:41.21 | hyc | ok, so if all goes well, no hassles. if it fails, then I'll need a stock signed ROM that the SPL will accept. |
| 22:42.02 | Alex[sp3dev] | exactly |
| 22:42.27 | Alex[sp3dev] | so you probably need "fastboot flash POOPLOADER lk.nb0" where lk.nb0 contains mbr. that's os.nb0.payload, i suppose |
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