| 00:26.00 | ToAsTcfh | <NetRipper> u still here? |
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| 00:26.58 | ToAsTcfh | got a quick question. well kinda |
| 00:27.12 | ToAsTcfh | i just need a gurus advice |
| 00:29.20 | randomblame | love guru or linux guru? |
| 00:30.45 | ToAsTcfh | eh im married so both :P |
| 00:30.49 | ToAsTcfh | lol |
| 00:30.51 | ToAsTcfh | naw |
| 00:31.04 | randomblame | hehe |
| 00:31.27 | ToAsTcfh | i need to find a better way to debug an early early init kernel panic |
| 00:31.34 | ToAsTcfh | like before ramconsole |
| 00:31.44 | randomblame | better than flashlight |
| 00:31.56 | randomblame | that's what I'd recomend |
| 00:32.17 | ToAsTcfh | flashlight? |
| 00:32.51 | randomblame | led or backlight code after each event to track where it doesn't flash |
| 00:34.15 | randomblame | aka: event, flash led, event, flash led event oops led didn't flash must have stopped there |
| 00:35.10 | ToAsTcfh | naw we use microp |
| 00:35.12 | ToAsTcfh | but |
| 00:35.20 | ToAsTcfh | i guess ill go with reboot |
| 00:35.25 | ToAsTcfh | its gpio |
| 00:35.35 | randomblame | same principle |
| 00:35.43 | ToAsTcfh | but |
| 00:35.54 | ToAsTcfh | it reboots already :/ |
| 00:36.04 | ToAsTcfh | in the panic |
| 00:36.09 | randomblame | what about vibra |
| 00:36.28 | ToAsTcfh | i think that to late |
| 00:36.37 | ToAsTcfh | like one of the las |
| 00:36.44 | randomblame | so make it one of the first |
| 00:36.46 | randomblame | change the order |
| 00:40.13 | randomblame | if it's hanging before ramconsole.. what device is this? |
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| 00:56.04 | Traveler | does sound work for the tp2 yet? |
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| 01:08.59 | ToAsTcfh | <randomblame> an EVO |
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| 01:38.40 | thesyntax | hi |
| 01:48.14 | randomblame | evo eh that's qsd based isn't it |
| 01:48.23 | randomblame | you're working off the leo source |
| 01:51.23 | randomblame | ooh I see it's qsd8650 leo is 8250 so you probably have a system timer or irq issue |
| 01:53.04 | randomblame | I wonder if the entry macro.s hack is incompatible |
| 01:54.36 | randomblame | looking at the specs it looks like the difference between those soc's is just radio |
| 01:55.07 | randomblame | so it's probably not the entry-macro.s changes |
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| 01:56.33 | randomblame | I'm assuming haret trampolines |
| 01:57.06 | randomblame | and I hope you got the mach type set up and all the silly little things like that |
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| 02:45.28 | tehtrk | is away: Away |
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| 04:18.40 | cwizard | sup |
| 04:19.50 | JesusFreak316 | Yes? |
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| 04:20.08 | JesusFreak316 | This isn't exactly a channel for chatting. |
| 04:20.17 | JesusFreak316 | FYI |
| 04:20.18 | Krazie | thx for letting me know ;) |
| 04:20.25 | Krazie | dont know if u talking to me |
| 04:20.32 | Krazie | but i figured as much |
| 04:20.42 | JesusFreak316 | Nah, cwizard just said "sup" |
| 04:20.51 | Krazie | ooo, heh |
| 04:20.53 | Krazie | hello cwizard |
| 04:21.12 | Krazie | i dont chat much, so :( |
| 04:21.26 | Krazie | idles like a bot :P |
| 04:21.36 | JesusFreak316 | But, hey if you got stuff relevant to any form of linux on htc devices, have at it. |
| 04:22.12 | JesusFreak316 | #xdandroid is more general and for support. |
| 04:22.34 | Krazie | ill idle there too ;) |
| 04:25.48 | cwizard | ok i have one for you |
| 04:25.49 | cwizard | one second |
| 04:26.32 | cwizard | so the modules gz in the zImage releases |
| 04:26.33 | cwizard | is like 800k |
| 04:26.41 | cwizard | but the modules gz in the release is like 7 megs |
| 04:26.51 | cwizard | the instructions are to delete any existing modules and replace with new file |
| 04:26.55 | cwizard | its ok to nuke the big one |
| 04:26.59 | cwizard | ? |
| 04:29.57 | JesusFreak316 | Sorry, didn't notice. Come to #xdandroid |
| 04:30.08 | cwizard | ok |
| 04:30.40 | Krazie | umm, i extract the zImage straight to the androot (i think) and it worked |
| 04:32.40 | spetrillo_away | is set as away : Reason(zzzzzzzz) |
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| 04:39.33 | JesusFreak316 | Anyways, cwizard, I think your modules download was bad; I just downloaded one from http://glemsom.anapnea.net/android/htc-msm-android/ and it was about 7MB. |
| 04:52.18 | cwizard | from http://glemsom.anapnea.net/android2/htc-msm-linux/ |
| 04:52.24 | cwizard | sorry |
| 04:52.40 | cwizard | the most recent builds |
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| 10:17.40 | dcordes | hi |
| 10:19.21 | PSPdemon | yo |
| 10:25.04 | dcordes | http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/21/hp-compaq-airlife-100-review-roundup-a-little-too-dumb-for-a-sm/ time to install debian |
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| 11:19.00 | dcordes | what the fuck |
| 11:19.34 | dcordes | http://developer.htc.com/ "Nexus One (TMOUS) Kernel Source Code" contains only set of flashable .img files |
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| 11:37.26 | Scotchy | Hello there |
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| 11:37.59 | dcordes | hello Scotchy |
| 11:38.51 | Scotchy | Is this the right channel to talk about developpment on Android for WinMo HTCs ? |
| 11:39.45 | dcordes | primarily linux kernel development here |
| 11:39.58 | dcordes | what do you want to know? |
| 11:42.00 | Scotchy | Well I'm a developper, not particularly a kernel dev but I've done much of driver writing. I own an HTC TP and would love to help with some bugs/issues |
| 11:42.32 | Scotchy | So I was looking for the right place to help with that |
| 11:44.19 | dcordes | which raphael do you have? cdma or normal? |
| 11:44.55 | Scotchy | Oh sorry, I meant I've TP2, thus Rhodium GSM |
| 11:45.08 | dcordes | ah ok |
| 11:45.12 | dcordes | what issues do you have? |
| 11:45.22 | Scotchy | Sound's not working for instance |
| 11:45.26 | dcordes | ok |
| 11:45.49 | Scotchy | In-call sound works but volume is quite low, and the rear speaker doesn't work at all. Also, there are issues with voice commands |
| 11:46.22 | dcordes | do you have the kernel source locally ? |
| 11:46.43 | Scotchy | Not yet, can't find any subversion where I can grab it from |
| 11:46.55 | dcordes | check out the wiki site in the topic |
| 11:47.08 | dcordes | it has a page listing kernel sources for most htc devices |
| 11:49.53 | dcordes | http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Kernel#Kernel_for_QCT_MSM7xxxA_based_devices |
| 11:50.26 | Scotchy | yea just found it |
| 11:51.17 | dcordes | small example on using git is here http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=QuickDeveloperStartGuide#Kernel |
| 11:52.03 | Scotchy | I'm used to git :D |
| 11:52.19 | dcordes | ok nice |
| 11:53.07 | Scotchy | cloning the repo right now |
| 11:56.14 | Scotchy | oh btw |
| 11:56.37 | dcordes | perfect. you are very welcome to update wiki with your issues/findings |
| 11:57.25 | Scotchy | I'm running on a x64 core with lastest GCC build. I've x86 libs but won't it cause any problems with the default makefiles ? |
| 11:58.08 | Scotchy | Or is it best to build on a x86 environment ? |
| 11:58.37 | dcordes | no it shouldn't cause any problems long as your not trying to build using your host's gcc :) |
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| 11:58.55 | dcordes | s/gcc/native gcc/ |
| 11:59.16 | dcordes | there's some prebuilt google toolchain for x64 hosts |
| 11:59.23 | Scotchy | oh uh right :p |
| 11:59.59 | dcordes | http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Toolchain |
| 12:00.28 | Scotchy | perfect |
| 12:03.06 | Scotchy | well thanks a lot, got the kernel now, will have a look into it :) |
| 12:06.23 | dcordes | you're welcome. if you run into any trouble building just ask here. also highly encourage to subscribe to http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mobile-linux-discuss mailing list and use it to document your problems/progress and get help |
| 12:08.33 | Scotchy | wow, thanks |
| 12:11.40 | dcordes | hope I was able to help |
| 12:11.42 | dcordes | bbl |
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| 12:13.06 | Unholy_ | hey guys do any of you get the loop animation with latest xdandroid |
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| 16:45.04 | [acl] | OMFG spain lost.. for those of you keeping up with the worldcup |
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| 17:41.12 | tmzt | Scotchy: welcome, driver experienece is one of the things we're missing :) |
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| 18:58.26 | dan1j3l | hello... |
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| 19:09.09 | LargePrime | is there any reason I cannot resolve htc-linux.org? prolly an issue on my end, but i thought to ask. |
| 19:10.02 | LargePrime | I am using Googles DNS |
| 19:10.15 | phh | usual problem. |
| 19:10.26 | phh | 83.167.180.132 |
| 19:10.28 | phh | add it to your hosts :p |
| 19:13.25 | LargePrime | thanks. WHy would googles dns not give that to me? |
| 19:13.50 | phh | they fear our work ! :p |
| 19:15.08 | LargePrime | CONSPIRACY! |
| 19:15.23 | LargePrime | thanks phh! |
| 19:16.56 | LargePrime | you busy? |
| 19:17.12 | phh | a bit |
| 19:17.15 | phh | but you might ask |
| 19:18.07 | phh | groumpf. |
| 19:18.13 | tmzt | are we using vDSO on arm? |
| 19:18.16 | LargePrime | I am looking for the lightest Linux, to put on the titan. only 64MB ram. |
| 19:18.28 | phh | does someone want a palm treo pro here to make linux working on it ? |
| 19:19.27 | AstainHellbring | titan sucks ass |
| 19:20.42 | LargePrime | your narrative will not change reality, and is repetitive and boring ... |
| 19:21.48 | LargePrime | did you say you might have a broke Titan you might give me the ESN of? |
| 19:21.50 | tmzt | LargePrime: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:22.00 | AstainHellbring | LargePrime yah sure do |
| 19:22.05 | AstainHellbring | its at office though |
| 19:22.39 | LargePrime | get a version of linux running on the titan. current builds are much to heavy, apparently. |
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| 19:23.20 | LargePrime | Astainhellbring largeprime hotmail.com you can email it to me as you wish. |
| 19:23.30 | LargePrime | or sell it to me? |
| 19:23.39 | tmzt | are you trying to run android or something else? |
| 19:23.44 | LargePrime | anything |
| 19:24.05 | tmzt | don't think there's a working cdma port for fso |
| 19:24.09 | tmzt | but it's pretty light weight |
| 19:24.15 | LargePrime | it needs to be super light |
| 19:24.29 | tmzt | you can also use swap on sd |
| 19:24.35 | LargePrime | and needs to be portabel to cdma |
| 19:24.39 | tmzt | or compcache |
| 19:24.48 | LargePrime | still to slow |
| 19:24.55 | LargePrime | painfully slow |
| 19:25.40 | LargePrime | I was reading that perhaps it needs to not run compression and still fit in 64MB |
| 19:30.13 | Scotchy | so has anyone any info on what's wrong with sound ? |
| 19:30.28 | LargePrime | the last maintainer of the titan port says android 1.6 is so slow he can only use the phone as a audio player. the 1.5 I had running on mine was about the same, although one could make calls, it was painful. |
| 19:30.33 | phh | Scotchy: adsp interrupt doesn't fire |
| 19:31.01 | Scotchy | oh |
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| 19:44.35 | tmzt | https://wiki.linaro.org/Toolchain/UbuntuRegressions |
| 19:52.31 | Scotchy | How come in-call audio works ? I don't get it. Is it handled by the ARM11 ? |
| 19:53.25 | Scotchy | I thought audio was handled by the DSP processors through the ARM9 |
| 19:53.52 | Scotchy | And if we can get in-call audio working, why won't all of it work ? Mixer issue ? |
| 19:53.52 | phh | Scotchy: no, in-call is done through A9 |
| 19:53.55 | phh | that's the thing. |
| 19:54.07 | phh | we don't have anything to do to get sound call working |
| 19:54.15 | phh | A9 sets up everything on its own |
| 19:55.02 | Scotchy | oh |
| 19:55.23 | phh | while for software sound we have to set it up |
| 19:55.33 | Scotchy | What happens when we invoke the DSP chip ? No answer ? Error ? |
| 19:55.40 | phh | I already said |
| 19:55.43 | phh | no adsp interrupt |
| 19:55.46 | phh | it answers to everything |
| 19:55.48 | phh | just no interrupt. |
| 19:55.52 | Scotchy | lol |
| 19:56.35 | Scotchy | well WinMo does it someway. Think we gotta reverse that. What was it again ? wavedev or something ? |
| 19:56.43 | phh | yup wavedev |
| 19:56.47 | phh | and we already tried to reverse it |
| 19:56.50 | phh | our code just seem perfect |
| 19:57.25 | spetrillo | is no longer away : Gone for 15 hrs 24 mins 43 secs |
| 20:04.44 | tmzt | what kind of interrupt is expected? |
| 20:04.52 | tmzt | does haret see it on windows? |
| 20:05.20 | phh | "ADSP" interrupt (it's its name) |
| 20:05.25 | phh | and yes we see it in windows |
| 20:05.46 | tmzt | could there be some external hardware that needs enabled? |
| 20:05.58 | phh | sounds really unlikely, but could be |
| 20:05.59 | tmzt | does playback work when booted with sound playing? |
| 20:06.20 | Scotchy | testing that now |
| 20:06.27 | tmzt | I mean the pcm codec might be triggering that interrupt |
| 20:06.30 | phh | tmzt: can't boot. |
| 20:06.40 | tmzt | I thought that was working with playwav2 |
| 20:08.02 | Scotchy | nope, booting while sound is playing has no effect |
| 20:08.12 | phh | tmzt: no |
| 20:08.18 | phh | oh right it only kills one rpc endpoint |
| 20:08.38 | tmzt | I'm pretty sure it did on tp1 |
| 20:08.46 | tmzt | playwav2 |
| 20:08.50 | phh | yup |
| 20:08.58 | phh | playwav2 dworks fine on tp1 |
| 20:09.05 | tmzt | but we know the tp2 is more complex |
| 20:09.41 | tmzt | there's audio cancellation hardware |
| 20:10.46 | phh | audio cancellation is not linked with adsp at all. |
| 20:10.53 | phh | just pcm or i2s input |
| 20:11.06 | [acl] | damn i cant wait to join the quest for sound. |
| 20:11.23 | phh | why would you wait ? |
| 20:11.23 | tmzt | what do we know about the chips? |
| 20:12.08 | phh | tpa2016 is coded |
| 20:12.20 | phh | a1010 should work more or less as is |
| 20:12.22 | phh | (in call sound work) |
| 20:12.35 | phh | we would have to make a proper driver for it, one day. |
| 20:12.44 | [acl] | phh: cuz you know i have to conquer my first task.. |
| 20:12.54 | phh | [acl]: you're still on it ? |
| 20:12.55 | phh | wow |
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| 20:13.52 | [acl] | phh: thanks for the vote of confidence .. lol .. well after what captnord said last night. I went back to tracing down the rpcs in winmo |
| 20:14.29 | phh | need help on that ? |
| 20:14.31 | tmzt | but it's not rpc, it's irq i think phh said |
| 20:14.40 | phh | tmzt: we might lack the init of something |
| 20:14.47 | phh | the missing IRQ is just the sign of something's wrong |
| 20:15.00 | tmzt | are there registers or something we can dump from wm? |
| 20:15.07 | [acl] | phh: all these DLLS are loaded when ahi2dati inits. COREDLL.DLL |
| 20:15.07 | [acl] | MMMAP.DLL |
| 20:15.07 | [acl] | WCE_REX.DLL |
| 20:15.08 | [acl] | DIAG_LSM.DLL |
| 20:15.08 | [acl] | REMOTE_APIS_CLNT.DLL |
| 20:15.08 | [acl] | CLKREGIM.DLL |
| 20:15.10 | [acl] | MSM_CLK.DLL |
| 20:15.12 | [acl] | WCE_PMEM.DLL |
| 20:15.26 | [acl] | im compiling a list of all the calls made so i can have a better idea of what to dig deep into. |
| 20:15.29 | tmzt | that's video though? |
| 20:16.00 | [acl] | tmzt: you are correct. my first quest is 3d. ive been at it for about a month now. |
| 20:16.33 | tmzt | we know z130 is the 2d chip in the 7x27/30/8k |
| 20:16.37 | tmzt | which is our 3d chip |
| 20:16.50 | tmzt | we should have some open driver support for it now in the newer kernels |
| 20:18.56 | dcordes | hi peeps |
| 20:19.40 | Scotchy | hey dcordes |
| 20:21.27 | LargePrime | #lp-italia |
| 20:21.35 | LargePrime | sorry |
| 20:21.42 | [acl] | phh: one thing i did notice is that there are no calls to clk_regime_sec_grp_rail_on. But there are others that need more research. |
| 20:22.28 | phh | like what ? |
| 20:22.51 | tmzt | LargePrime: titan is essentially vogue isn't it? I'm sure dzo has something usable on there |
| 20:23.28 | dcordes | tmzt: yeah titan is like vogue with keyboard |
| 20:23.33 | [acl] | phh: man i wish i wasnt at work so i can answer you |
| 20:23.34 | dcordes | tmzt: gpio differences |
| 20:23.35 | [acl] | lol |
| 20:23.47 | LargePrime | tmzt: simular. And yes. we have a functioning 1.6 kernel. but it is far to heavy to be usable. |
| 20:23.49 | tmzt | that wouldn't effect the speed of android on the device |
| 20:25.36 | dcordes | tmzt: you still using cdma raph ? |
| 20:25.43 | tmzt | rhod |
| 20:25.58 | tmzt | but I'm 100% ce and my touchscreen is broken |
| 20:26.12 | tmzt | don't have the raph anymore |
| 20:26.24 | phh | tmzt: can't you get it repaired ? |
| 20:26.53 | dcordes | nice. when did you switch? |
| 20:26.55 | tmzt | yeah, there's an issue with that I'm trying to work out |
| 20:27.10 | dcordes | tmzt: I still have a broken kovsky.. |
| 20:27.23 | dcordes | and of course the first kaiser to run linux |
| 20:27.28 | tmzt | I really want this fixed and switch to Ally or something else in the fall |
| 20:27.40 | tmzt | then I have this for flashing |
| 20:27.40 | dcordes | thinking of giving kaiser to momz |
| 20:28.37 | dcordes | ally ? |
| 20:29.01 | tmzt | LG Ally |
| 20:29.18 | tmzt | small keyboard, small screen, 7627 |
| 20:29.20 | dcordes | ah one of the first keyboard snapdragons |
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| 20:29.22 | dcordes | reasonable |
| 20:29.26 | tmzt | no, wish |
| 20:29.40 | dcordes | oh.. |
| 20:29.45 | dcordes | thought those had qsd |
| 20:30.02 | dcordes | prolly gsm devices I've seen there |
| 20:30.05 | [acl] | phh: here are some called in clkregim.dll |
| 20:30.06 | [acl] | clk_regime_deregister_for_cpu_resource |
| 20:30.06 | [acl] | clk_regime_msm_disable |
| 20:30.06 | [acl] | clk_regime_msm_enable |
| 20:30.56 | phh | won't help :p |
| 20:31.06 | phh | you'd better dump smd rpc stuff |
| 20:31.08 | phh | anyway time to sleep |
| 20:31.16 | [acl] | phh: aite.. ill do |
| 20:31.25 | phh | oh well, I have to build compcache first |
| 20:31.29 | phh | I'll stay 10minutes more. |
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| 20:37.58 | NCommander | hey all |
| 20:38.29 | NCommander | Does anyone here know how to deox apks? I want to take a stab at making the Nexus One radio do something |
| 20:38.30 | dan1j3l | dcordes: my wireless keyboard didn't work, normal one works, but randomly... I guess there's problem with my rootfs... |
| 20:39.17 | tmzt | how are you connecting the keyboard? |
| 20:39.48 | dan1j3l | usb keyboard, with home-made cable... |
| 20:40.03 | [acl] | NCommander: i'm sure you can find a deodexed verions of anything for the nexus one. any specific apk? |
| 20:40.17 | NCommander | [acl]: I need desire de-oxed, but I think I found what I need |
| 20:40.29 | NCommander | wants teh FM radio app from the desire ROM to sideload onto his N1 |
| 20:41.03 | tmzt | dan1j3l: what device? |
| 20:41.10 | dan1j3l | htc leo |
| 20:41.20 | tmzt | try #xda-devs |
| 20:41.24 | tmzt | if you mean in ce |
| 20:41.28 | tmzt | there's a link on the topic |
| 20:42.45 | dan1j3l | tmzt: no not in ce... with android kernel and usbhost support... |
| 20:43.02 | tmzt | ah, ok |
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| 20:46.41 | dcordes | dan1j3l: hey man. good to see you on here! can you explain what's random? |
| 20:47.35 | dcordes | tmzt: android kernel being htc-msm-2.6.32 on ltg |
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| 20:48.18 | dan1j3l | hey dcordes... keyboard works 2 times out of 10 tries... usually i get kernel sync problem... |
| 20:48.46 | dcordes | dan1j3l: it works always for me. I got some msm hci Xfer error or so after running for a while. but I think my LiPo battery is low |
| 20:48.46 | dcordes | russian roulette to use them actually |
| 20:48.55 | dan1j3l | yes it is... |
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| 20:49.50 | dcordes | if they explode and the stuff sticks to your skin I think it's like napalm |
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| 20:50.14 | dcordes | don't want to run a test :D |
| 20:50.46 | dan1j3l | i believe that something is broken on my rootfs... do you use ramdisk or boot from 2nd partiion... |
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| 20:51.44 | dcordes | dan1j3l: I used one of my openembedded initrds to test the usb host |
| 20:51.55 | dcordes | dan1j3l: the one that is also used in media player |
| 20:52.35 | dcordes | dan1j3l: you can find raw rootfs.tgz from media player here http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/builds/OE/leo/ |
| 20:52.53 | dcordes | the big one has mplayer |
| 20:53.05 | dan1j3l | oh.. i have created tiny android build and set it up on 2n part... it's easier to modify init and other bins... |
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| 20:54.18 | dan1j3l | do you use battery for powering keyboard or power from hub ? |
| 20:54.19 | dcordes | sd is also fine. if you try these rootfilesystems make usre you do rm /etc/init.d/psplash and specify a custom init. I just have "sh" in /sbin/init |
| 20:55.03 | dcordes | that works fantasically well for testing the keyboard |
| 20:55.14 | dcordes | usb host |
| 20:55.29 | dan1j3l | yes, i did that, also i removed all services from init.rc |
| 20:57.06 | dcordes | battery is hooked up on +5V line between leo and hub. that'S it |
| 20:57.32 | dan1j3l | today i tried to build kernel with CONFIG_THUMB2_KERNEL=y switch but with no luck... |
| 20:57.33 | dcordes | of course with very trustworthy voltage regulator |
| 20:57.46 | dcordes | I read everything on mailing list. |
| 20:58.08 | dcordes | have leo configured to inform me everywhree I go ;) |
| 20:58.23 | dan1j3l | me too... :) |
| 20:58.46 | dan1j3l | tweets every 30 minutes, mails every 15 minutes... :) |
| 20:59.11 | ToAsTcfh | phh: u still here? |
| 20:59.51 | dcordes | lol is this to prevent your water elctrons from moving fast? I put everything to 10 :P |
| 20:59.59 | dcordes | just kidding |
| 21:00.15 | dan1j3l | :) |
| 21:00.50 | dcordes | DI gotta go |
| 21:00.55 | dcordes | ttyl |
| 21:00.58 | dan1j3l | no, my boss is bit nervous id my phone rings more than once in 15 mins. |
| 21:01.02 | dan1j3l | see ya... |
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| 23:00.33 | johnnyzafira | hey..tried the external speaker switch in startup.txt speaker definately is on when running android..only small static..ringtones, audio ect still inop tho :( |
| 23:00.54 | johnnyzafira | any update with that??? |
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