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| 05:51.33 | tmzt_ | it builds a lot faster that way |
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| 09:05.34 | chamonix | hey guys |
| 09:06.09 | phh | hey chamonix |
| 09:06.14 | Wout | oi |
| 09:06.25 | phh | does anyone knows who takes care of htc-linux.org ? |
| 09:07.37 | Captnoord | nope |
| 09:07.47 | Captnoord | maybe the irc logs will give a more clear awnser |
| 09:08.28 | chamonix | hey phh... |
| 09:09.17 | phh | G1s can only get 615MHz ... |
| 09:09.26 | phh | HTC really put shitty hardware in those stuff. |
| 09:09.51 | Captnoord | yup |
| 09:09.55 | Captnoord | crap hw design |
| 09:10.21 | phh | it looks like they don't want to release usable phones. |
| 09:11.01 | Captnoord | nah.. I don't think thats the real problem |
| 09:11.05 | Captnoord | when designing hw |
| 09:11.14 | Captnoord | you have a balance between cost and preformance |
| 09:11.34 | phh | I know, but there is a market for WVGA + QSD + keyboard. |
| 09:11.42 | Captnoord | I know |
| 09:11.43 | phh | even if it's more costly. |
| 09:12.15 | Captnoord | I also think its the design of the casing that fucks up a lot of these things |
| 09:12.29 | Captnoord | the 'ugly' design.. of the g1 |
| 09:12.33 | phh | then do a brick like TP2 |
| 09:12.33 | Captnoord | was a real eye catcher |
| 09:12.34 | phh | I don't care. |
| 09:12.41 | Captnoord | I know |
| 09:12.52 | phh | and G1 sold quite well afaik |
| 09:12.57 | Captnoord | but the case design team has prio 1 over the hw design |
| 09:13.07 | Captnoord | the hw design needs to addapt to the outside |
| 09:13.21 | chamonix | phh: battery life confirmed 22 hours, now testing without SIM, after that without RIL and the I'll move along the kernels from that date with steps of 5 and dichotomy plus a little reading of commits |
| 09:13.33 | phh | chamonix: ok |
| 09:13.44 | phh | chamonix: 22hours that's still far from me |
| 09:13.56 | Captnoord | chamonix: your doing kernel per kernel test ? for battery life? |
| 09:13.58 | phh | chamonix: maybe ask Captnoord :p he can do actual measures. |
| 09:14.10 | Captnoord | I can yea |
| 09:14.41 | chamonix | Captnoord: yes because with latest kernel and without any activity the battery life is far from good and completely illogical |
| 09:15.01 | Captnoord | yea |
| 09:15.10 | chamonix | i.e. it make no difference if I'm always on with 3g or have no radio activity at all |
| 09:15.12 | Captnoord | we'r draining about 20 - 40 ma on sleep |
| 09:15.15 | Captnoord | yea |
| 09:15.23 | Captnoord | 3 ma is the factory spec on sleep |
| 09:15.43 | Captnoord | which kernel + date are you testing? |
| 09:16.17 | chamonix | that confirms my observation, that the battery life is not about being awake and doing something but draining while sleeping 99% of the time |
| 09:16.27 | phh | Captnoord: btw, have you traced on wince sleeps ? |
| 09:16.34 | phh | I think cr2 said it uses SPL code |
| 09:16.58 | chamonix | Captnoord: kernel_20100219_1857, that's the best one I found |
| 09:17.06 | phh | (like wakeup vector is in spl.) |
| 09:17.06 | Captnoord | traced wince sleep.... nope |
| 09:17.10 | Captnoord | spl code |
| 09:17.16 | chamonix | ... I picked it from my testing journal |
| 09:17.21 | phh | no call to function in the first MB of SMI ? |
| 09:17.35 | Captnoord | phh I haven't checked it yet |
| 09:17.40 | phh | ok |
| 09:18.22 | chamonix | phh: can we exclude rootfs version hist from the scope of candidates? |
| 09:18.35 | phh | chamonix: haha |
| 09:18.36 | phh | no. |
| 09:18.55 | phh | oh well.... |
| 09:18.56 | phh | yes after all |
| 09:19.02 | chamonix | lol |
| 09:19.05 | phh | unless we changed some commands |
| 09:19.09 | phh | like the echo blabla > /blabla |
| 09:19.35 | phh | but I didn't change that for a while |
| 09:19.35 | chamonix | yes the charing stuff has been changed lately |
| 09:19.43 | phh | uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh ? |
| 09:19.51 | phh | in rootfs ? |
| 09:19.55 | chamonix | I think u did, gimme a sec |
| 09:20.02 | phh | I changed in the kernel |
| 09:20.10 | Captnoord | so before 3d was beeing fixed on raph/diam you get the most of the battery |
| 09:20.26 | Captnoord | and before the g-sensor |
| 09:20.30 | Captnoord | was implemented |
| 09:20.33 | phh | Captnoord: haha. |
| 09:20.39 | phh | fair enough. |
| 09:20.52 | phh | at some point we didn't have GRP clock off |
| 09:20.54 | phh | do we have it now ? |
| 09:21.25 | Captnoord | I don't think we set grp clock off on suspend |
| 09:21.33 | Captnoord | or it should be done in the 3d driver |
| 09:23.15 | Captnoord | and still because of my 3d shit.... it doesn't tells me crap |
| 09:23.17 | Captnoord | hmmmmm |
| 09:23.26 | chamonix | u r right phh |
| 09:23.28 | Captnoord | on |
| 09:23.28 | Captnoord | locked_hw3d_client_done |
| 09:23.31 | Captnoord | its beeing disabled |
| 09:26.21 | Captnoord | phh |
| 09:26.32 | Captnoord | one of the reasons it could not have worked |
| 09:26.38 | Captnoord | is because our wince table uses |
| 09:26.41 | Captnoord | GRP_CLK |
| 09:26.46 | Captnoord | and the driver uses |
| 09:26.47 | Captnoord | grp_clk |
| 09:27.02 | Captnoord | so the driver would get the dummy clock handle |
| 09:27.06 | Captnoord | for clock not found |
| 09:27.13 | Captnoord | so the clock would never been disabled |
| 09:28.47 | Captnoord | if (!strcmp(id, clk->name) && clk->dev == dev) |
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| 09:29.05 | chamonix | phh: can u remember approx what config u had when u tested 40 hrs? |
| 09:29.17 | klinux | Hey guys |
| 09:29.21 | Captnoord | yo |
| 09:29.24 | chamonix | hey klinux |
| 09:30.28 | klinux | any good news ? I became a little outdated this days :D |
| 09:31.10 | klinux | btw did someone tried my latest system.sqsh with aderno drivers maybe u can enable 3D guys |
| 09:31.56 | klinux | phh: around ? |
| 09:36.11 | chamonix | I found this: /home/sven/irclogs/freenode/#htc-linux.10.01.log:07/01/2010 - 23:37:11<phh> my phone has been running on battery for 22hours now. |
| 09:37.04 | klinux | phh: battery drain is worse on 2.1 |
| 09:40.51 | chamonix | and this: /home/sven/irclogs/freenode/#htc-linux.10.02.log:20/02/2010 - 11:29:35<= phh> chamonix: I *think* that my phone started on battery around 22h on the 18 |
| 09:43.24 | chamonix | I think I'm going to go a few more days back in time |
| 09:43.35 | Markinus | phh: btw. sleep, what do you do with you display on sleep? Only backlight off or complatly off and vregs off? |
| 09:46.18 | chamonix | like dichotomy from 01.01.2010 till now :) |
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| 09:48.03 | chamonix | in 5-6 days I'll be through :) |
| 09:48.59 | chamonix | ... assuming there was only one commit making it worse :) |
| 09:53.59 | Captnoord | optmistic |
| 09:54.00 | Captnoord | :P |
| 09:54.16 | Captnoord | optimistic |
| 09:54.55 | chamonix | lol |
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| 10:03.42 | nikolaj_basher | Hi :D I have a HTC-Tatto how can I install linux? |
| 10:04.39 | Captnoord | www.htc-linux.org...... read the WIKI |
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| 10:22.19 | nikolaj_basher | Captnoord, thanks |
| 10:22.47 | nikolaj_basher | The server is overloaded |
| 10:25.12 | DaveWM | is it possible to boot a computer off of the sd card on a htc device ? i mean if it were made bootable ? |
| 10:25.30 | DaveWM | this is probably off topic in here, i'm kind of off on a strange venture for info atm |
| 10:25.48 | Captnoord | DaveWM: its something thats a little project of mine |
| 10:25.51 | Captnoord | but its kinda hard |
| 10:26.48 | DaveWM | i imagine, i was wondering, cause i know for instance, you can setup windows mobile so that when you connect your htc device instead of using activesync, it shows up as an external drive on a computer |
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| 10:27.54 | DaveWM | so how far fetched would it be to have a live linux dist of your choice on the sd card of the phone, plug it in to another computer and boot that computer into this portable OS |
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| 10:29.54 | Captnoord | DaveWM: why would you want that? |
| 10:29.59 | Captnoord | usb stick..... |
| 10:30.15 | Captnoord | why would you want to use a embeded os on a normal pc |
| 10:30.15 | Captnoord | :S |
| 10:32.38 | DaveWM | Captnoord: well, i don't personally have any need for that specifically, but for instance you're using a library pc, and you wanna boot your own private OS, don't wanna carry a usb stick... |
| 10:33.04 | DaveWM | really, i'm looking for something a little different, but its in the general area of interest i'm going atm, i'm using the phone cause its relative in here |
| 10:33.09 | Captnoord | :( |
| 10:33.17 | Captnoord | lol |
| 10:33.34 | ali1234 | DaveWM: pretty much any phone can do that |
| 10:33.47 | ali1234 | any phone that supports USB storage |
| 10:34.07 | DaveWM | Captnoord: what i'm actually interested in, is an external cd/dvd emulator, imagine like daemon tools, but an external device, even if that device were a small computer in itself |
| 10:34.31 | ali1234 | it's called a USB flash drive :/ |
| 10:34.42 | Captnoord | :S |
| 10:34.45 | ali1234 | any computer that can boot from USB CDROM can boot from USB storage too |
| 10:34.51 | Captnoord | nah |
| 10:34.55 | DaveWM | store a bunch of iso's on it, select it on a little led or lcd selection system, plug it into a computer, and it shows up on there as a external cd/dvd drive |
| 10:35.01 | Captnoord | he means you have a external hd |
| 10:35.11 | Captnoord | that with a tool act like a external usb dvd player |
| 10:35.18 | DaveWM | ali1234: that's really not relative to what i'm interested in at all, but what everybody jumps to as soon as i bring it up |
| 10:35.27 | ali1234 | there's no different between USB flash and a USB hard drive |
| 10:35.27 | DaveWM | i've done plenty of booting off of usb storage |
| 10:35.32 | DaveWM | not what i've got in mind |
| 10:35.36 | Captnoord | the only difference is the driver |
| 10:35.45 | ali1234 | no, the driver is the same |
| 10:35.56 | ali1234 | all of them use USB storage, which is SCSI over USB, basically |
| 10:36.04 | Captnoord | true |
| 10:36.06 | Captnoord | true |
| 10:36.09 | DaveWM | i mean, what if for instance, i wanted to turn a netbook into a dvd/cd drive emulator that i can hook to any computer |
| 10:36.10 | Captnoord | on the lower level |
| 10:36.13 | Captnoord | its exactly the same |
| 10:36.16 | Captnoord | DaveWM: we got it |
| 10:36.17 | DaveWM | no networking required |
| 10:36.34 | ali1234 | networking... |
| 10:36.37 | ali1234 | what? |
| 10:36.40 | Captnoord | usb host function |
| 10:36.45 | Captnoord | for a netbook |
| 10:36.50 | Captnoord | I mean |
| 10:36.51 | ali1234 | x86 doesn't support gadget |
| 10:36.53 | Captnoord | client function |
| 10:36.55 | DaveWM | i just said that, cause that's the next thing that most ppl jump to ali1234, i've started this discussion a few places |
| 10:36.56 | DaveWM | hehe |
| 10:37.04 | ali1234 | but if you get an arm netbook it is doable |
| 10:37.07 | Captnoord | DaveWM: why don't you learn then? |
| 10:37.08 | Captnoord | :P |
| 10:37.15 | Captnoord | ali1234: it depends on the usb chip |
| 10:37.22 | DaveWM | Captnoord: yeah, i'm just probing around different places for info atm |
| 10:37.22 | Captnoord | but x86 is harder yes |
| 10:37.27 | ali1234 | but i don't know why you want this, what is it that you want to do that you cannot achieve with usb storage? |
| 10:37.30 | Captnoord | arm is easer I guess |
| 10:38.12 | ali1234 | a few x86 usb controllers can do client mode but only for a special debug mode. only the onboard SoC chips really support proper gadget |
| 10:39.04 | ali1234 | anyway, if you run linux on your device, there is a loopback usb storage gadget driver that can take a ISO file and pretend to be a USB storage device of that ISO, giving just what you want |
| 10:39.15 | DaveWM | ali1234: i'm not denying that this would require some type of device as go between from computer to computer |
| 10:39.21 | ali1234 | load up with ISOs and have a menu, should be really easy |
| 10:40.27 | DaveWM | ali1234: but you're talking about it showing up on the same computer as this device right? not as in a cross-over situation ? |
| 10:40.29 | Captnoord | DaveWM: why would that be needed |
| 10:40.37 | ali1234 | cross over? |
| 10:40.40 | Captnoord | nah... |
| 10:40.51 | Captnoord | he thinks you need to have cross cables |
| 10:40.52 | Captnoord | bleh |
| 10:41.01 | Captnoord | thats not the way usb works |
| 10:41.07 | ali1234 | no |
| 10:41.23 | ali1234 | anyway with a kernel recompile a N900 could do this, so could an android phone |
| 10:42.15 | DaveWM | i guess i may be better off looking in the smart phone to pc route, than the pc to pc route |
| 10:42.16 | ali1234 | if for some reason you insist on storing the ISOs on a x86 netbook then you would need a box with two USB client mode parts |
| 10:42.23 | ali1234 | one to talk to netbook and one to talk to the target |
| 10:42.36 | DaveWM | yea, i was thinking that |
| 10:42.43 | Captnoord | why? |
| 10:43.03 | ali1234 | then you would need to write two USB firmwares for it, one implementing USB storage and one implementing networking, then export the ISOs on the netbook over NFS |
| 10:43.20 | ali1234 | then you must mount the NFS on the "box" and then finally export the ISO on USB storage to the target |
| 10:43.30 | ali1234 | this is extremely complicated and pointless when flash drives are so cheap |
| 10:44.42 | ali1234 | you could do it if you had a board based on a SoC which could run two different gadget devices on two different usb ports, i dunno if that exists, normally you cn only have 1 gadget and the rest of the ports must be host |
| 10:44.45 | DaveWM | well, i was imagining a scenario where you might be sharing alot of stuff with random computers, didnt want to have to move stuff to other storage all the time |
| 10:45.01 | DaveWM | and didnt wanna have to configure any special software on the computer you're sharing with |
| 10:45.16 | ali1234 | well just get an arm netbook |
| 10:45.28 | ali1234 | arm socs all support usb otg so you wont have any problem |
| 10:45.35 | ali1234 | just load gadget_storage module and you are done |
| 10:45.38 | phh | chamonix: I'm not even sure I had an autobuild kernel or not when I tried .. |
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| 10:45.48 | phh | (and it wasn't 40hours, it was 4 days ...) |
| 10:45.57 | DaveWM | you'd just have one computer with the hosting/emulator software, this hypothetical usb device, and you connect it to the pc of your choice and that computer detects it as external storage |
| 10:46.29 | DaveWM | ali1234: but i think you're the first that is thinking in the same direction i am though, anyway, thnx for the input |
| 10:46.44 | ali1234 | the problem is how does the magical box know what to export from the netbook? |
| 10:47.08 | ali1234 | also the problem is getting a box with two client usb controller chips in it |
| 10:47.14 | ali1234 | you would have to build it youself |
| 10:47.19 | DaveWM | ali1234: well, the netbook would have special software that you select your partition/disk of choice first with |
| 10:47.45 | DaveWM | but the idea is that the computer you're sharing with wouldnt need any specialized software, since it would just detect it as your run of the mill external storage |
| 10:47.57 | ali1234 | what you could do is make a gadget controller driver for an external USB client mode device |
| 10:48.02 | ali1234 | hmm that might actually work |
| 10:48.18 | phh | DaveWM: oh, I might do something to use a disk image as usb mass storage. |
| 10:48.36 | phh | DaveWM: basically, losetup /dev/loop6 /where/is/your/image |
| 10:48.48 | phh | echo /dev/loop7 > /sys/Idontrememberwhat/usb/massstorage/lun |
| 10:48.48 | ali1234 | phh: on an arm soc all you need to is compile gadget_storage module |
| 10:48.59 | phh | ali1234: gadget sucks ! :p |
| 10:49.06 | ali1234 | no, gadget does not suck |
| 10:49.20 | phh | compared to function, as of 2.6.27 ? |
| 10:49.22 | phh | yes it does. |
| 10:49.22 | ali1234 | gadget is how your phone does usb storage :) |
| 10:49.49 | ali1234 | the gadget api is how all usb client mode drivers for linux are implemented |
| 10:49.51 | phh | no it's not |
| 10:51.16 | Captnoord | OTG |
| 10:51.23 | Captnoord | usb togo |
| 10:52.40 | DaveWM | ali1234: try googling for what we're talking about, man, alot of crap that's not even close to relative, alot of people asking about something similar, but then everybody answering goes into that "why?" factor, and recommends usb flash, or some networking solution or similar |
| 10:52.56 | Captnoord | DaveWM: I suggest stop flaming |
| 10:53.19 | DaveWM | flaming ? |
| 10:53.22 | Captnoord | yea |
| 10:53.31 | Captnoord | there is no reason to talk crap |
| 10:53.39 | DaveWM | I'm not talking crap |
| 10:53.41 | Captnoord | ali1234: knows a bit or 2 |
| 10:54.11 | ali1234 | he's not flaming me, he's flaming google's lack of quality results |
| 10:54.25 | ali1234 | i must say i find the same thing often |
| 10:55.02 | DaveWM | anyway, you guys didnt go way off like other chans i've brought it up in |
| 10:55.03 | DaveWM | heh |
| 10:55.21 | ali1234 | well we are nerds, we like to do things "just because" |
| 10:55.29 | DaveWM | exactly |
| 10:55.30 | DaveWM | hehe |
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| 10:56.15 | DaveWM | i admit i do ask alot of questions that end up getting answered with "uh... why?" |
| 10:56.17 | DaveWM | heh |
| 10:56.36 | ali1234 | well i think the answer for you is simple |
| 10:56.57 | ali1234 | building the hardware to do it is going to cost you more than buying a arm netbook or phone that can do it already |
| 10:57.06 | phh | I even already gave the answer, but who cares ? |
| 10:57.13 | phh | (or I didn't understood the question ?) |
| 10:57.37 | ali1234 | that said, i can see a role for a hardware that implements gadget for x86, even if only for testing drivers |
| 10:57.56 | phh | ali1234: I think such things exist |
| 10:58.03 | ali1234 | yeah, maybe |
| 10:58.04 | DaveWM | phh: its probably more like i didnt understand your answer, i dunno |
| 10:58.05 | DaveWM | heh |
| 10:59.07 | ali1234 | there is another possibility: bit-banged USB on parallel port :) |
| 10:59.17 | ali1234 | but i wouldn't seriously use that, it would be super slow :) |
| 10:59.44 | phh | ali1234: lol |
| 10:59.47 | phh | you're crazy. |
| 11:00.09 | ali1234 | well if an avr can do it, i'm sure a 2Ghz pc can manage it |
| 11:00.13 | DaveWM | anyway, this is interesting to me atm, so i guess i'll just dig around a bit more later, thnx for your input guys |
| 11:00.16 | DaveWM | bbiab |
| 11:01.13 | phh | DaveWM: but how different from a usb key with a system running on it is what you want ? |
| 11:01.19 | phh | I'm not totally sure I understand. |
| 11:01.24 | phh | ali1234: HAHA |
| 11:01.27 | phh | ali1234: I wouldn't bet on it :p |
| 11:01.43 | phh | ali1234: an AVR is realtime "by definition" |
| 11:01.55 | phh | you have really fine tuning of every single interrupts coming |
| 11:01.58 | DaveWM | phh: i think i'll have to make some sort of diagram or something to give people a better idea of what i'm shooting for |
| 11:01.59 | ali1234 | phh: the goal is basically to have usb storage like what you get on a phone, but with a x86 netbook |
| 11:02.15 | phh | ali1234: aaaaahhhhhhhhh |
| 11:02.16 | phh | muh ? |
| 11:02.27 | ali1234 | the problem is x86 doesn't usually support device mode usb |
| 11:02.42 | phh | there are some x86 devices for usb slave |
| 11:02.48 | phh | but noone would ever sell that on a laptop -_-' |
| 11:02.55 | ali1234 | so you get one of those usb to usb network cables, but that needs loads of drivers and is crappy |
| 11:03.10 | phh | loads of drivers ? |
| 11:03.11 | phh | lol ? |
| 11:03.14 | phh | just plain usbnet |
| 11:03.22 | ali1234 | usbnet doesn't work on windows without a driver |
| 11:03.23 | phh | even openbsd has that. |
| 11:03.32 | phh | oh really ? |
| 11:03.34 | phh | crappy windows |
| 11:03.37 | ali1234 | indeed |
| 11:03.43 | ali1234 | anyway, it's not my specifications :) |
| 11:04.08 | phh | who cares about windows ? :p |
| 11:04.08 | DaveWM | anyway, i gotta do some stuff here, so i'll bbiab guys, here's an email i sent to somebody i thought might be able to provide me with info that might explain better, i hope anyway, or he may be confused by it |
| 11:04.11 | DaveWM | http://pastebin.com/6Qp3sWJN |
| 11:04.20 | DaveWM | bbiab |
| 11:05.38 | phh | ok, so that's what I explained |
| 11:05.41 | ali1234 | yeah i understand you :) |
| 11:05.41 | phh | or you explain really poorly :p |
| 11:06.27 | phh | chamonix: can you code a little something ? :D |
| 11:07.01 | phh | chamonix: filechooser which writes then to the appropriate file |
| 11:07.01 | chamonix | I can try |
| 11:07.03 | phh | the path |
| 11:07.31 | ali1234 | DaveWM: that link in your paste is exactly what i just described |
| 11:07.39 | ali1234 | i wonder if it is supported by linux gadget api |
| 11:07.48 | ali1234 | http://www.centrillium-it.com/Products/UsbDE/ |
| 11:07.53 | phh | ali1234: it is by function api at least |
| 11:07.54 | chamonix | phh: what do u want to write to the selected file? |
| 11:08.15 | phh | chamonix: the user chose a file, and then you write the path of the file to /sys/something |
| 11:08.19 | phh | wait a second for the /sys/something value. |
| 11:08.56 | phh | /sys/devices/platform/usb_mass_storage/lun0/file |
| 11:09.22 | chamonix | k, I'll try to do that generically and add it to CommandCenter |
| 11:09.34 | phh | right |
| 11:09.42 | phh | and you'll have another option to add to set usb function bitmask |
| 11:09.55 | phh | ~usb_function_switch |
| 11:09.56 | apt | usb_function_switch is probably /sys/devices/platform/msm_hsusb/usb_function_switch |
| 11:10.03 | chamonix | like "echo <pick-file-name> > /whatever" or "echo 1 > <pick-file>" |
| 11:10.06 | phh | write bit 6 (iirc) for mass storage there |
| 11:10.28 | ali1234 | so does android use it's own usb driver then? |
| 11:10.33 | chamonix | or "echo <pick-file-content> > <pick-file>" |
| 11:10.43 | phh | ali1234: kind of |
| 11:10.48 | phh | I'll say yes. |
| 11:10.51 | ali1234 | or does it use gadgetfs? |
| 11:11.01 | ali1234 | note gadgetfs has nothing to do with usb storage |
| 11:11.18 | phh | they rewrote an usb slave api, because they considered gadget as crappy- |
| 11:11.23 | phh | (no proper way to compose devices) |
| 11:11.30 | ali1234 | well nokia managed it |
| 11:11.31 | chamonix | phh: u'll just have to wait till I finished breaking my system with ubuntu 10.4 and repaired it :-D |
| 11:11.40 | phh | chamonix: lol ok |
| 11:11.45 | ali1234 | what do you mean by "compose"? |
| 11:11.53 | phh | ali1234: I said *******as of 2.6.27******* earlier. |
| 11:12.02 | ali1234 | do you mean have two "virtual" devices at the same time, eg storage and serial? |
| 11:12.04 | phh | yup |
| 11:12.07 | chamonix | phh: any news on topa leds? |
| 11:12.12 | phh | no |
| 11:12.23 | ali1234 | i see. nokia implemented there own kernel module to do that, no doubt they are the ones added it to 2.6.27 |
| 11:13.37 | phh | chamonix: At the moment, I'm in my exams/competition stuff for the CPGE, so I prefer not doing stuff that could be time consuming :p |
| 11:13.52 | phh | (and there is still one month to go.) |
| 11:14.45 | phh | the computer I'm using now doesn't even have kernel sources. |
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| 11:18.22 | Captnoord | writel(0,MSM_AXIGS_BASE+0x800); |
| 11:18.24 | Captnoord | why do we do that |
| 11:18.27 | Captnoord | on pm init |
| 11:18.38 | phh | Captnoord: resume vectors |
| 11:19.00 | Captnoord | 0x0800 AXIGE_MPU_ENABLE |
| 11:19.03 | Captnoord | :S |
| 11:19.24 | Captnoord | woeps |
| 11:19.25 | phh | Captnoord: not same address |
| 11:19.28 | Captnoord | thats GE |
| 11:19.29 | Captnoord | yea |
| 11:19.32 | phh | AXIGS is for SMI |
| 11:19.40 | Captnoord | k |
| 11:19.44 | phh | resume vectors are at phys addr = 0, which is SMI |
| 11:20.23 | Captnoord | hmmm |
| 11:20.24 | Captnoord | writel(15, A11S_STANDBY_CTL); |
| 11:20.26 | Captnoord | will become |
| 11:20.30 | Captnoord | writel(0, A11S_STANDBY_CTL); |
| 11:20.43 | phh | (that comes from android sources) |
| 11:20.46 | phh | (iirc) |
| 11:20.46 | Captnoord | uncomments the ram bios |
| 11:20.49 | Captnoord | maybe |
| 11:20.58 | Captnoord | but i'm reading more recent stuff |
| 11:21.03 | Captnoord | just messing around |
| 11:21.05 | Captnoord | maybe that it works |
| 11:21.07 | phh | Captnoord: for msm7k30 perhaps ? |
| 11:21.18 | Captnoord | dono |
| 11:21.20 | Captnoord | who knows |
| 11:21.24 | phh | lol |
| 11:21.33 | Captnoord | worst that can happen is that its unable to wakeup |
| 11:21.33 | chamonix | phh: Intent intent = new Intent("org.openintents.action.PICK_FILE"); |
| 11:21.34 | chamonix | startActivityForResult(intent, 1); |
| 11:21.55 | phh | chamonix: and how do you get the result ? |
| 11:22.23 | chamonix | it's in the intent bag |
| 11:22.33 | phh | "bag" ? |
| 11:22.39 | chamonix | I'll add a little code around that |
| 11:22.54 | phh | I've never seen an android file picker though oO |
| 11:23.00 | chamonix | well an intent carries a "bag" that is used for passing data |
| 11:23.02 | chamonix | to and from |
| 11:23.31 | chamonix | http://www.openintents.org/en/node/159 |
| 11:23.53 | phh | ah openintent is not android native stuff ? |
| 11:23.57 | chamonix | nope |
| 11:24.01 | phh | ok |
| 11:24.41 | chamonix | I like the concenpt of openintents because it's in my eyes exactly how android apps should be written so that they can be integrated |
| 11:25.09 | chamonix | -n |
| 11:25.16 | phh | that's what android should includes natively you mean ? :p |
| 11:25.31 | phh | speaking about "clean" stuff |
| 11:25.41 | phh | it's me or no apps handles "background" as android hints to ? |
| 11:26.06 | phh | in the running apps list, only one is grey on 30 in taskiller. |
| 11:26.07 | chamonix | well it's a matter of perspective... I don't mind android delivering only the gui as long as it can be extended... the problem is that most apps delivered with android are closed, like e.g. gtalk |
| 11:26.37 | chamonix | what do u mean with "background" phh ? |
| 11:26.49 | phh | chamonix: that isn't displayed on the screen ? :p |
| 11:27.23 | chamonix | well, any service without main activity would |
| 11:27.54 | chamonix | e.g. gtalk service that I can't get rid of |
| 11:28.46 | chamonix | I donno y but I suspect it handles on_boot braodcast and has no option to disable it |
| 11:28.46 | phh | rm /system/app/GtalkService.apk ? :p |
| 11:28.53 | chamonix | lol |
| 11:29.10 | phh | chamonix: taskiller has an option to kill all progs 10s after boot. |
| 11:29.11 | chamonix | if at least google whould provide the sources..... |
| 11:29.23 | phh | "at least" ? :p |
| 11:29.26 | phh | I'd prefer something usable |
| 11:29.37 | phh | I mean it would be "easier" |
| 11:29.38 | chamonix | phh: I don't like that as e.g. ledeffects has an option to be loaded at boot, as well as xtremepp |
| 11:29.53 | phh | chamonix: I know |
| 11:29.55 | chamonix | accent is on "option" |
| 11:29.56 | chamonix | :P |
| 11:29.57 | phh | but many apps don't ask |
| 11:30.04 | phh | so... dead end. |
| 11:30.15 | chamonix | poor design |
| 11:30.20 | chamonix | or intention |
| 11:30.24 | chamonix | pick one ;) |
| 11:31.07 | chamonix | ok, I'll wait 5 more days for ubuntu final and do some java today |
| 11:31.22 | phh | lol |
| 11:32.23 | chamonix | anyone with a rooted nexus one around? |
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| 12:18.10 | phh | chamonix: sounds like a no uh ? :p |
| 12:19.16 | Captnoord | hmmmm |
| 12:19.24 | Captnoord | microp doesn't seem to be the problem |
| 12:19.28 | Captnoord | but I expected that |
| 12:19.29 | Captnoord | bleh |
| 12:19.44 | Captnoord | maybe its me fucking up the rails on the 3d |
| 12:20.25 | phh | Captnoord: well, that doesn't sound that obvious when we are at 20mA.... |
| 12:21.07 | phh | (tether wifi rocks btw.) |
| 12:21.35 | Captnoord | maybe |
| 12:24.18 | Captnoord | and the funny thing is |
| 12:24.23 | Captnoord | my function of course isn't needed |
| 12:24.27 | Captnoord | the imem to 0 |
| 12:24.34 | Captnoord | was anough to make 3d work |
| 12:24.35 | Captnoord | bleh |
| 12:25.14 | phh | Captnoord: really ? |
| 12:25.25 | phh | grp clock is always on then ? |
| 12:25.37 | phh | that sounds weird |
| 12:25.42 | Captnoord | hmmm |
| 12:25.43 | phh | I think that it's off at least on suspend |
| 12:26.01 | Captnoord | but doesn't really does anything on current crap |
| 12:26.03 | Captnoord | still the same |
| 12:26.20 | Captnoord | exactly the same |
| 12:26.28 | phh | ah. |
| 12:26.50 | phh | ah. |
| 12:26.50 | phh | meh lag. |
| 12:27.15 | phh | (3G <=> edge switching is still not glitch free.) |
| 12:28.07 | Captnoord | LDR R3, =0xAA0FC0C0 |
| 12:28.07 | Captnoord | MOV R0, #1 |
| 12:28.07 | Captnoord | STR R1, [R3] |
| 12:28.07 | Captnoord | BX LR |
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| 12:28.09 | Captnoord | on sleep btw |
| 12:28.13 | Captnoord | don't know what it is |
| 12:29.00 | phh | I thought it's vbus |
| 12:29.02 | phh | but that sounds wrong. |
| 12:29.43 | Captnoord | btw is htc-linux back? |
| 12:29.44 | Captnoord | or |
| 12:29.45 | Captnoord | dead |
| 12:29.54 | Captnoord | bleh |
| 12:29.54 | Captnoord | dead |
| 12:30.06 | phh | :p |
| 12:30.12 | phh | how surprising |
| 12:32.13 | Captnoord | hmmm I wonder how I could set that |
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| 12:32.37 | phh | Captnoord: aa0fc* is smem you know ? :p |
| 12:32.43 | dcordes | hi |
| 12:32.54 | Captnoord | *(unsigned *)(MSM_SHARED_RAM_BASE+0xFC0C0) = 1 |
| 12:32.55 | phh | hi dcordes |
| 12:32.57 | Captnoord | yo |
| 12:33.14 | phh | Captnoord: writel ? :p |
| 12:33.33 | Captnoord | hehe |
| 12:35.02 | Kensan | dcordes: hi |
| 12:35.12 | Kensan | dcordes: long time no see ;) |
| 12:43.26 | Captnoord | phh call me stupid but it seems to help a bit |
| 12:44.01 | Captnoord | they are also messing with some gpio's on suspend |
| 13:03.16 | dcordes | Kensan, true I think last time we talked it was something about getting htc kaiser |
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| 13:16.14 | apt | slayerns <~slayerns@139.179.207.202> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 23h 29m 58s ago, saying: 'can anybody reach htc-linux.org'. |
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| 14:58.35 | AstainHellbring | morning |
| 15:13.43 | GNUtoo | hi mickeyl |
| 15:22.27 | DCDemon | wonders how well sense ui works... |
| 15:22.56 | DCDemon | also wonders how much of a pain it will be to get my network stuff working on it.... |
| 15:23.04 | DCDemon | since apparently thats a problem... |
| 15:23.39 | ToAsTcfh | whats new and exciting today ?! |
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| 15:24.37 | DCDemon | ToAsTcfh, well this was yesterday but i ran a phantasy star online ship server off my phone through rhobuntu |
| 15:24.42 | DCDemon | that was exciting :D |
| 15:24.52 | ToAsTcfh | woot |
| 15:24.57 | ToAsTcfh | sounds like it |
| 15:25.28 | ToAsTcfh | now u just need to compile a kernel for ur device on ur device. that would be sweet |
| 15:26.07 | ToAsTcfh | i bet it would take a bit though o_0 |
| 15:27.32 | dcordes | GNUtoo, wiki is back up |
| 15:27.47 | GNUtoo | ok nice |
| 15:27.48 | ToAsTcfh | only thing great ive done today was port ext4 that actually works |
| 15:28.43 | GNUtoo | yes |
| 15:28.45 | GNUtoo | oops |
| 15:29.34 | dcordes | GNUtoo, kernel oops? |
| 15:29.43 | GNUtoo | no wrong channel |
| 15:30.36 | ToAsTcfh | :/ |
| 15:31.56 | DCDemon | notices its taking a while to boot android 2.1 w/ sense.... |
| 15:34.35 | DCDemon | how long does it ussualy take? |
| 15:38.16 | dcordes | 44 seconds |
| 15:38.26 | DCDemon | lol.... |
| 15:38.30 | DCDemon | 10 minutes so far |
| 15:38.41 | DCDemon | but it finally got to the setup screen |
| 15:40.17 | DCDemon | erm |
| 15:40.24 | DCDemon | something is messed up on sense lol |
| 15:56.18 | ToAsTcfh | *ToAsTcfh has a slow ass machine and it takes like 20min to compile :/ * |
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| 16:40.50 | gauner1986 | hola |
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| 16:41.24 | joelinux | Is anyone here? |
| 16:41.34 | gauner1986 | Markinus: hows your battery going on radio 2.10? |
| 16:43.07 | joelinux | ok...cool...I'm trying to compile a kernel on the Nexus One...does anyone have a .config I can use? If not, can you tell me why the msm parts seem so messed up? the kernel compile crashed on trying to get the 7XX0A and FB devices...complaining about the msm_sdcc and msm_fb respectively |
| 16:43.21 | joelinux | er |
| 16:43.27 | joelinux | complaining that they aren't there |
| 16:43.32 | Markinus | gauner1986: hmm, with 2.10 I didn't use it often without power cable |
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| 16:46.58 | gauner1986 | hmm.. isnt it your main device? ^^ |
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| 16:47.16 | joelinux | I'm trying to compile a kernel on the Nexus One...does anyone have a .config I can use? If not, can you tell me why the msm parts seem so messed up? the kernel compile crashed on trying to get the 7XX0A and FB devices...complaining about the msm_sdcc and msm_fb respectively |
| 16:50.12 | Markinus | gauner1986: I've to lay in bed . . . . so the mobiel is whole time in the docking station .. |
| 16:50.49 | gauner1986 | Markinus: oh okay.. i'm sorry for that.. :( what have you got? |
| 16:50.53 | myn | looks like my app made the first page of xda-developers! |
| 16:51.01 | myn | didn't even realize it |
| 16:51.18 | Markinus | gauner1986: soccer . . . |
| 16:51.31 | Markinus | gauner1986: bänderriss |
| 16:51.34 | gauner1986 | soccer accident? |
| 16:51.39 | gauner1986 | ah.. painful |
| 16:51.42 | Markinus | yes |
| 16:52.17 | gauner1986 | how long do you have to stay in bed now? |
| 16:56.45 | Markinus | gauner1986: I think ca week, then I can move, slowly |
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| 17:19.24 | NoMercy | markinus- have you made any progress on topaz sound driver |
| 17:21.11 | NoMercy | in fact - anyone still here? |
| 17:30.18 | joelinux | I am |
| 17:30.25 | joelinux | but nobody responded to my question |
| 17:30.26 | joelinux | :( |
| 17:43.01 | NoMercy | what was your question? |
| 17:43.07 | NoMercy | sorry i was a sec afk too |
| 17:43.15 | joelinux | I'm trying to compile a kernel on the Nexus One...does anyone have a .config I can use? If not, can you tell me why the msm parts seem so messed up? the kernel compile crashed on trying to get the 7XX0A and FB devices...complaining about the msm_sdcc and msm_fb respectively |
| 17:43.56 | NoMercy | oh sorry i cant answer that question but maybe the big ones can |
| 17:44.22 | joelinux | I'm hopingso |
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| 17:48.00 | phh | NoMercy: someone tried recently, someone I've never heard about who seems to understand the problem |
| 17:48.05 | phh | perhaps he'll have something. |
| 17:48.10 | phh | (don't ask me the nickname I don't remember.) |
| 17:48.49 | joelinux | Can you do batch adb pushes? |
| 17:48.55 | joelinux | I have to push 40 closely named files |
| 17:48.59 | NoMercy | you are talking about the topaz drivers phh? |
| 17:49.01 | joelinux | and I don't want to do them manually |
| 17:49.07 | phh | NoMercy: yes |
| 17:49.17 | joelinux | what's the format? |
| 17:49.20 | phh | joelinux: for i in list of files;do adb push $i /sdcard;done ? |
| 17:49.27 | phh | joelinux: the format of what ? |
| 17:49.30 | joelinux | aha |
| 17:49.34 | joelinux | bash scripting |
| 17:49.35 | joelinux | gotcha |
| 17:50.14 | NoMercy | btw - phh - whats next on todo list? still battery? |
| 17:50.25 | phh | NoMercy: there is no order in the todolist |
| 17:50.42 | phh | wait, what do you mean with "battery" ? |
| 17:50.59 | NoMercy | battery issue that causes 5 percent warning |
| 17:51.12 | NoMercy | and battery not fully charging |
| 17:53.08 | phh | ok for the first one |
| 17:53.14 | phh | but what's the hell is the second one ?!? |
| 17:53.19 | phh | I've never heard of such a bug |
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| 17:54.27 | ToAsTcfh | phh: interested in ext4? |
| 17:54.39 | NoMercy | it is expected that the battery does not charge enough - you talked about that earlier this week, expected someone to do measurements if im correct , because the battery only charges to a certain level then either stops counting or stops charging |
| 17:55.18 | phh | ToAsTcfh: not at all. |
| 17:55.18 | phh | unless they have changes for mmc. |
| 17:55.18 | phh | (laaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggg)))))))) |
| 17:55.23 | joelinux | oh, and is there documetation on why msm_mmc won't compile in the kernel? |
| 17:56.09 | phh | joelinux: msm_mmc ? |
| 17:56.14 | phh | msm_sdcc.c you mean ? |
| 17:56.40 | phh | and which kernel tree are you trying ? |
| 17:57.25 | phh | there are so many ... |
| 17:57.56 | joelinux | yes |
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| 17:57.58 | joelinux | umm |
| 17:58.03 | joelinux | latest for gentoo |
| 17:58.10 | joelinux | hold let me look it up |
| 17:58.19 | ToAsTcfh | phh: geekfor.me/toastcfh/ext4.patch.txt <~~~ have a look |
| 17:58.24 | joelinux | 2.6.32 |
| 17:58.31 | phh | joelinux: lol ? |
| 17:58.40 | ToAsTcfh | phh: that was a bitch :/ |
| 17:58.49 | joelinux | phh, 2.6.32 |
| 17:59.15 | phh | joelinux: nexus one patches aren't in mainstream -_-' |
| 18:00.11 | IceBone | What are the Nexus One 3G issues, btw? |
| 18:00.11 | phh | you need a kernel tree which supports nexus, and even if there are many, not "any" kernel source works |
| 18:00.26 | joelinux | phh: do you have a website with a howto? |
| 18:00.32 | phh | joelinux: no |
| 18:00.33 | joelinux | I don't mind downgrading |
| 18:00.35 | joelinux | frick |
| 18:00.49 | phh | ToAsTcfh: and so, how useful is it ? |
| 18:01.08 | joelinux | phh: well, from the reports I see, it *used* to exist, but got moved |
| 18:01.09 | phh | joelinux: there is a 2.6.33 kernel for it I think, that's no downgrading. |
| 18:01.37 | joelinux | hmm |
| 18:01.54 | phh | but that's not codeaurora's main tree |
| 18:01.59 | phh | I think the maintree is a 2.6.32 |
| 18:02.03 | ToAsTcfh | phh: not really useful at all if u dont care about apps2sd or ext file systems :P |
| 18:02.13 | joelinux | phh: codeaurora? |
| 18:02.20 | joelinux | phh: I'm new to phone modding |
| 18:02.30 | phh | ToAsTcfh: we have our system as ext2 on sdcard. |
| 18:02.42 | phh | joelinux: qualcomm opensourcing stuff |
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| 18:02.57 | joelinux | phh: where is their website? |
| 18:03.16 | phh | google is your friend. |
| 18:03.26 | phh | (or some tries, like.... who knows ... codeaurora.org |
| 18:03.26 | phh | ) |
| 18:03.34 | ToAsTcfh | phh: well thatll work also. u can see some improvements if u use a class 6 or higher sdcard |
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| 18:06.50 | joelinux | phh: what is mmci? is it in the kernel tree? |
| 18:07.03 | joelinux | phh: and did you mean that 2.6.33 has re-merged all the android stuff? |
| 18:11.55 | joelinux | Also, is there a reason why I can't use the arrow keys? Even inside a text editor, when I press up or down, it starts scrolling through the bash history....incorrectly too |
| 18:12.01 | joelinux | is it something to do with the adb shell? |
| 18:12.15 | joelinux | and it does so incorrectly too |
| 18:13.19 | ToAsTcfh | phh: also n my quest to find a bfs patch that was for a google kernel or android device i ran accross this http://ostebaronen.dk/first-impressions-with-android-and-bfs/ btw i never found any adroid/google bfs patches :( i guess ill have to use what i got |
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| 18:32.17 | phh | ToAsTcfh: "some improvements" is far from what I want |
| 18:32.38 | phh | joelinux: no I meant that codeaaurora has a 2.6.33 branch |
| 18:32.51 | phh | joelinux: arrow keys... on nexus one ? what ? |
| 18:33.42 | phh | oh yeah jogball |
| 18:33.57 | phh | joelinux: because android isn't meant for console at all |
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| 19:15.57 | joelinux | phh: jogball? |
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| 19:58.08 | jonpry | Do TP2 radios 3.x and 4.x use the same AMSS 6215? |
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| 20:09.02 | dcordes | GNUtoo|oeee, yo |
| 20:09.33 | dcordes | GNUtoo|oeee, you guys produced any testable images for the dream yet? |
| 20:09.41 | dcordes | with the suspend/resume support? |
| 20:10.44 | Kensan | dcordes: while you are around... how similar are Leo and Nexus hardware-wise? |
| 20:10.46 | GNUtoo|oeee | dcordes, talk to mickeyl for that |
| 20:11.00 | GNUtoo|oeee | hi btw |
| 20:11.05 | dcordes | Kensan, very. we are basing on the nexus kernel |
| 20:11.23 | GNUtoo|oeee | mickeyl, I've some suggestions for userland when you'll have some time |
| 20:12.19 | dcordes | Kensan, http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Kernel#Kernel_for_QCT_QSD8xxx_based_devices |
| 20:12.52 | dcordes | mickeyl, can you add armv6-novfp packages to oe autobuilds? |
| 20:12.55 | dcordes | so we got the feeds |
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| 20:13.13 | dcordes | gauner1986, gauner old house :D how's it going? |
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| 20:13.50 | Kensan | dcordes: oh nice, the website is back :) thanks. |
| 20:14.20 | dcordes | yep we got super big traffic quota now |
| 20:15.18 | Kensan | dcordes: good stuff. I wanted to poke around the wiki but it was not up. |
| 20:15.39 | Kensan | dcordes: what are you working on currently? |
| 20:16.57 | gauner19861 | dcordes.. i guess you're the older house :P it's going well, thanks.. and for you? |
| 20:17.15 | gauner19861 | except that we don't have any update on linux on leo :( |
| 20:17.18 | dcordes | Kensan, nothing. I don't know what to try about the htc leo kernel. we have a big problem there with segfaults |
| 20:17.51 | dcordes | gauner19861, it's funny translation of altes haus ^^ how do you know? |
| 20:18.43 | Kensan | dcordes: oh sounds bad :/ |
| 20:18.45 | dcordes | Kensan, I'm glad you asked. that just reminded me I wanted to try something out |
| 20:18.58 | dcordes | gauner19861, we should try and run the 1:1 nexusone userspace |
| 20:19.03 | dcordes | on leo |
| 20:19.22 | gauner19861 | dcordes: yeah.. :D havent heard anything about it for ages now.. :( |
| 20:19.24 | dcordes | we have no other qsd8 device where we ran the binaries that fail on qsd8 leo |
| 20:19.46 | gauner19861 | hmm |
| 20:19.48 | dcordes | gauner19861, do you wanna try it? |
| 20:19.57 | dcordes | gauner19861, I have 6kB download speed now... |
| 20:20.00 | gauner19861 | would be strange if the binaries would be the problem |
| 20:20.10 | gauner19861 | yeah.. i could :) |
| 20:20.14 | dcordes | gauner19861, you should download some shipped nexus one image |
| 20:20.25 | dcordes | and prepare it so you can execute it somehow with your leo |
| 20:20.47 | dcordes | be aware that android splits the filesystem in some odd way |
| 20:21.06 | dcordes | you have some system and data loopfiles and whatnot |
| 20:21.46 | gauner19861 | mhm.. do you have the link for me? |
| 20:23.03 | gauner19861 | ah okay |
| 20:23.08 | gauner19861 | i see some on the nexus forums |
| 20:29.11 | IceBone | http://www.yooouuutuuube.com/v/?rows=16&cols=9&id=aaFH0vI2w1A&startZoom=1 |
| 20:29.13 | IceBone | haha :D |
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| 20:32.08 | LeTama | Hi guys, I want to share some experiments I did on the leo kernel. I don't know if it's relevent or not, nor pertinent: |
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| 20:32.35 | LeTama | I've been toying with initrds, trying to get basic stuff working |
| 20:33.32 | LeTama | I noticed that SD card support seems flacky |
| 20:34.11 | LeTama | I wanted to reproduce the data.img creation |
| 20:35.38 | LeTama | at the beginning, it crashed like hell |
| 20:35.55 | dcordes | LeTama, hi man. we just discussed something leo-kernel. check logs please |
| 20:36.15 | gauner19861 | fucking mediafire.. takes ages.. |
| 20:36.27 | LeTama | Just seen that. |
| 20:37.12 | phh | jonpry: no clue. |
| 20:37.26 | phh | jonpry: I'd say yes it is though |
| 20:37.50 | LeTama | when I added sd debug traces, I was able to create the data image (first part, zeroed files |
| 20:38.19 | jonpry | phh: probably right. i've heard of people having to replace rilgsm.dll, but not wavedev after a radio upgrade |
| 20:38.47 | phh | jonpry: and module tables is in wavedev |
| 20:39.04 | LeTama | then the mke2fs goes through, it doesn't crash with traces |
| 20:39.36 | phh | ToAsTcfh: so, did you somehow compared ext2 vs ext4 for fs on mmc ? |
| 20:39.42 | dcordes | LeTama, data image? mke2fs? what exactly are you doing there? |
| 20:39.45 | jonpry | phh: i've started decompiling wavedev, i imagine you have tried the same thing. find anything? |
| 20:39.58 | phh | jonpry: I found that we do exactly like wince. |
| 20:40.03 | phh | useful uh ? :p |
| 20:40.15 | ToAsTcfh | phh: no i gave u the patch. u didnt look at it? :/ |
| 20:40.17 | phh | well, I noticed no difference |
| 20:40.25 | phh | ToAsTcfh: I did look at it, the problem is to try it |
| 20:40.35 | phh | and it requires to repartition an SD card and so on |
| 20:40.35 | ToAsTcfh | oh |
| 20:40.46 | ToAsTcfh | gparted |
| 20:40.50 | phh | I know |
| 20:40.52 | ToAsTcfh | :P |
| 20:40.55 | phh | but it's annoying |
| 20:40.56 | ToAsTcfh | lol |
| 20:41.00 | ToAsTcfh | i know |
| 20:41.09 | ToAsTcfh | we can do it in recovery |
| 20:41.14 | jonpry | phh: yeah i figure it is some small detail. any idea why WAV_Init() calls waveoutopen()? |
| 20:41.31 | phh | jonpry: no |
| 20:41.35 | phh | I looked only at "lower" parts |
| 20:41.40 | phh | where it access hardware register |
| 20:41.44 | phh | perhaps it's something higher :/ |
| 20:41.47 | LeTama | I'm trying to follow the initrd/boot process of Android images |
| 20:42.03 | ToAsTcfh | phh: so are u sayin android doesnt run real smooth on the tp2? |
| 20:42.07 | LeTama | I did a custom initrd with dd if=/dev/zero of=/mntpl/data.img bs=1048576 count=32 |
| 20:42.23 | phh | ToAsTcfh: accessing mmc is damn slow |
| 20:42.24 | gauner19861 | initrd with dd? |
| 20:42.31 | ToAsTcfh | damn |
| 20:42.36 | phh | meaning that installing some application takes hours and freeze the system |
| 20:42.42 | phh | but else for "light" stuff it's totally smooth |
| 20:42.46 | ToAsTcfh | 0_o |
| 20:42.47 | phh | (gmail, xda app, browser and so on) |
| 20:42.51 | LeTama | then mke2fs -F /mntpl/data.img |
| 20:42.56 | phh | ToAsTcfh: not litteraly hours. |
| 20:43.05 | ToAsTcfh | woah |
| 20:43.08 | phh | LeTama: why not an initramfs ? |
| 20:43.09 | LeTama | where the /mntpl is the location I mounted the fat |
| 20:43.20 | ToAsTcfh | ok ext anything wont help u there |
| 20:43.25 | dcordes | LeTama, I don't know if it's a good approach to analyzin the binary execution problem.. which exists independently of any SD problem. |
| 20:43.31 | phh | LeTama: you call "data.img" an initrd ? |
| 20:43.33 | phh | funny. |
| 20:43.38 | LeTama | no, |
| 20:44.02 | dcordes | gauner19861, how long until finished? |
| 20:44.04 | ToAsTcfh | phh: that is friggin nuts though. sounds like the driver sux :( |
| 20:44.05 | LeTama | just pushed stuff in the initrd to have things done without any interaction |
| 20:44.07 | jonpry | phh: regarding the lower parts, in modem_to_app_args_t_6125 there is the unknown field. Did you find out what is supposed to go in there? |
| 20:44.23 | phh | ToAsTcfh: sounds like an appropriate FS for an MMC |
| 20:44.23 | dcordes | gauner19861, I guess it will be a pita to create the normal rootfs from it |
| 20:44.26 | phh | that's exactly what it is. |
| 20:44.41 | gauner19861 | dcordes: mh.. always jumping.. two minutes i guess |
| 20:44.49 | phh | jonpry: mmmmm ? |
| 20:44.53 | ToAsTcfh | :/ |
| 20:45.00 | phh | jonpry: can you link from gitorious or pastebin ? |
| 20:45.15 | gauner19861 | ah ok |
| 20:45.17 | gauner19861 | it's ready |
| 20:45.22 | gauner19861 | let's see whats in that file |
| 20:45.24 | dcordes | gauner19861, ok. once we have it, we don't need to run the normal android init. we could also pick up some random binaries and execute them using init= in an initrd |
| 20:45.40 | gauner19861 | yeah |
| 20:45.56 | jonpry | http://pastebin.com/D1AL9jh1 |
| 20:45.56 | dcordes | keep in mind that the busybox runs no problem |
| 20:46.02 | ToAsTcfh | *ToAsTcfh goes into the cave and hopes to emerge with working BFS* |
| 20:46.56 | phh | jonpry: haha, totally forgot that one |
| 20:47.07 | phh | jonpry: I'll have to recheck that, thanks |
| 20:47.25 | phh | that means I have to wake up my noisy desktop |
| 20:47.26 | phh | pffff |
| 20:47.36 | jonpry | phh: i had a couple of random ideas. 1. make something like ndiswrapper, for loading the WinCE wavedrv, and probably being done with it. |
| 20:47.49 | gauner19861 | dcordes: okay.. got it. which of them do i need? |
| 20:47.50 | gauner19861 | -rw-r--r-- 1 gauner users 2357248 1. Jan 2009 recovery.img |
| 20:47.50 | gauner19861 | -rw-r--r-- 1 gauner users 878592 1. Dez 08:52 spcustom.img |
| 20:47.50 | gauner19861 | -rw-r--r-- 1 gauner users 768000 1. Dez 08:52 splash1.img |
| 20:47.50 | gauner19861 | -rw-r--r-- 1 gauner users 123336522 1. Jan 2009 system.img |
| 20:47.50 | gauner19861 | -rw-r--r-- 1 gauner users 2112 17. Mär 20:37 userdata.img |
| 20:48.07 | phh | jonpry: could be doable, but no thanks |
| 20:48.28 | dcordes | gauner19861, I guess system.img is the most important part. run file system.img |
| 20:49.01 | jonpry | or 2. you mentioned that A9 handles qdsp5. that would seem to indicate to me that qdsp5 is sending its results out over rpc to A9. it should therefore be possible to bypass qdsp5 entirely, by sending the buffer directly there |
| 20:49.08 | jonpry | , there to a9 |
| 20:49.31 | phh | jonpry: qdsp doesn't talk "rpc" |
| 20:49.37 | phh | rpc are for A9 <=> A11 communication |
| 20:49.40 | dcordes | utopia |
| 20:49.48 | phh | and you meant bypassing A9 I guess ? |
| 20:49.55 | gauner19861 | mhm.. how can i mount that img again? |
| 20:49.56 | dcordes | impossible |
| 20:50.06 | dcordes | gauner19861, run "file system.img" |
| 20:50.09 | phh | I've no clue how to talk to a DSP. |
| 20:50.29 | gauner19861 | gauners-desktop bla # file system.img |
| 20:50.29 | gauner19861 | system.img: VMS Alpha executable |
| 20:51.16 | phh | gauner19861: it's yaffs2 no ? |
| 20:51.44 | jonpry | phh, i guess i am confused. doesn't this msm_rpc_write(adsp_module->rpc_client, &rpc_req, sizeof(rpc_req));, for instance send an rpc to the dsp? |
| 20:51.44 | joelinux | is someone here modifying the Nexus One? |
| 20:51.44 | gauner19861 | phh: mhm.. that'd be bad.. guess i don't have yaffs2 in my desktop-kernel |
| 20:52.23 | joelinux | brb....reboot |
| 20:52.29 | dcordes | gauner19861, build it as module |
| 20:53.47 | phh | gauner19861: google unyaffs2 |
| 20:53.59 | phh | dcordes: yaffs2 is usable only if the underlying mtd driver is NAND. |
| 20:54.15 | gauner19861 | phh: ok, thanks |
| 20:54.21 | dcordes | sucks |
| 20:54.28 | phh | dcordes: yup. |
| 20:54.38 | dcordes | I mounted some android images in the past |
| 20:54.44 | dcordes | must have been different filesystem |
| 20:55.04 | phh | some parts are ext2 iirc |
| 20:55.09 | dcordes | wasn't ext2 |
| 20:55.16 | dcordes | nvm |
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| 20:57.50 | joelinux | ok, I'm back |
| 20:57.54 | gauner19861 | hmpf |
| 20:58.00 | gauner19861 | that file is corrupt |
| 20:58.02 | gauner19861 | grrr |
| 20:58.08 | joelinux | So, is anyone here working with the Nexus One? |
| 20:58.32 | gauner19861 | but it extracted some files |
| 20:58.40 | phh | joelinux: nop. |
| 20:58.55 | joelinux | argh |
| 21:00.22 | gauner19861 | http://pastebin.com/uzkkLPU4 <- not sure if this is anything we need |
| 21:00.32 | dcordes | ñœ |
| 21:01.11 | dcordes | gauner19861, I am |
| 21:01.17 | dcordes | it has /bin |
| 21:01.26 | dcordes | and /lib |
| 21:02.35 | gauner19861 | okay.. mhm.. okay.. so what should i do now? just try running some of that binaries off my existing linux partition? |
| 21:03.02 | dcordes | why not |
| 21:03.24 | dcordes | just mess around with it |
| 21:03.49 | dcordes | you can check the other images fro the andoid init |
| 21:03.57 | dcordes | and start it as it supposed to |
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| 21:04.31 | dcordes | I don't know why I hat the android mascot |
| 21:04.38 | dcordes | s/hat/hate/ |
| 21:05.01 | [acl] | Sup everyone. Anything exciting happen today? |
| 21:05.33 | dcordes | yes new logo set in appstore |
| 21:05.35 | dcordes | theme |
| 21:05.48 | gauner19861 | dcordes: what binary normally crashes for sure? |
| 21:06.05 | dcordes | hmm when I run the usual openembedded/angstrom rootfs |
| 21:06.17 | dcordes | it crashes at udev most of the time |
| 21:07.39 | dcordes | [acl], yes I just figured Ishould attend some googel anger management seminar |
| 21:07.57 | gauner19861 | :D |
| 21:08.14 | [acl] | dcordes: ahh.. i just drank my pain away. few pitchers of beer and ull be good the next day |
| 21:09.36 | joelinux | Does anyone have the issue with the up and down keys ALWAYS scrolling through histories? Even when you are in a text editor? |
| 21:09.42 | joelinux | er |
| 21:09.46 | joelinux | when adb'ed in |
| 21:10.22 | gauner19861 | dcordes: it's difficult to test that with those binaries, isnt it? |
| 21:10.52 | dcordes | gauner19861, I would try to boot that bunch of bs like it is done on nexus |
| 21:10.58 | dcordes | gauner19861, try to locate the init |
| 21:11.31 | dcordes | joelinux, I've had that same problem |
| 21:11.45 | joelinux | dcordes: did you fix it? |
| 21:11.49 | joelinux | it's *really* annoying |
| 21:12.01 | dcordes | no I just learned to live with it |
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| 21:12.07 | gauner19861 | okay.. at least it isnt named init.. ^^ |
| 21:12.24 | dcordes | gauner19861, what about the other files you downloaded? |
| 21:12.39 | dcordes | gauner19861, maybe you can aloso ask some android experts |
| 21:13.01 | dcordes | I gotta run |
| 21:13.04 | dcordes | good luck |
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| 21:24.19 | hfctsaot | Stupid bfs_sced.c file errrrrr |
| 21:27.26 | joelinux | anybody know anything about msm_mmc or msm_fb? |
| 21:27.32 | joelinux | or msm_mmci? |
| 21:29.16 | phh | joelinux: well it just works |
| 21:29.19 | phh | for everyone but you |
| 21:36.58 | IceBone | phh: Desire for 419 euro, worth it? |
| 21:37.24 | phh | possiblty |
| 21:39.47 | joelinux | phh: Well, I am getting conflicting reports... |
| 21:39.55 | joelinux | Supposedly, it's been moved to amba? |
| 21:39.58 | joelinux | or mmci? |
| 21:40.24 | randomblame | anyone want an incite? Only catch is you gotta work on the kernel for it :D I ordered a rhod |
| 21:40.25 | phh | joelinux: amba ? mmci ? |
| 21:40.28 | phh | and which tree are you using ? |
| 21:40.33 | phh | randomblame: lol |
| 21:40.48 | phh | randomblame: I've already taken a rhod :p |
| 21:41.10 | randomblame | that sounds dirty |
| 21:41.21 | randomblame | the rhods for me I'm excited |
| 21:41.52 | randomblame | but the incite is free to someone who wants to work on it, too many people bugging me about finishing the project and I don't have time for it |
| 21:42.30 | phh | what's left ? |
| 21:43.10 | randomblame | mddi/panel driver |
| 21:43.49 | randomblame | that's the biggie |
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| 21:44.06 | phh | why do you need it ? |
| 21:44.18 | phh | dummy panel driver is usually fine |
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| 21:45.16 | randomblame | it's not fine |
| 21:45.37 | phh | why ? |
| 21:46.14 | randomblame | it uses a different mddi controller than htc phones, illitek ili9326 |
| 21:46.31 | phh | why is it not fine ? |
| 21:46.41 | phh | rhod has stub panel driver too |
| 21:47.14 | randomblame | there is no dummy mddi driver though, there is but it doesn't work |
| 21:47.18 | randomblame | never inits |
| 21:47.37 | phh | so you just have no msm_fb as of now ?!? |
| 21:47.42 | randomblame | yeah |
| 21:47.44 | randomblame | that's it |
| 21:48.05 | randomblame | pretty lame eh |
| 21:48.22 | phh | android is rendering on top of htc_fb_console ? |
| 21:48.31 | randomblame | no |
| 21:48.38 | randomblame | I didn't think that was possible |
| 21:48.42 | phh | I don't either |
| 21:48.54 | phh | there is something else than msm_fb and htc_fb_console ... ? |
| 21:49.06 | randomblame | nope |
| 21:49.10 | randomblame | not that I'm aware of |
| 21:49.23 | randomblame | I tried the pxa fb out of sheer desperation |
| 21:49.35 | phh | aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:49.37 | phh | stupid brain |
| 21:49.44 | phh | I messed X1 and incite |
| 21:50.01 | randomblame | drugs are bad :P |
| 21:50.07 | phh | I smoke only O_2 |
| 21:50.18 | randomblame | lol |
| 21:50.25 | phh | randomblame: just copy the panel code of rhodium |
| 21:50.27 | phh | it's a stub too. |
| 21:50.36 | phh | or just use it perhaps |
| 21:50.42 | randomblame | nope don't work |
| 21:50.53 | phh | even when adding mdp client id ? |
| 21:51.04 | randomblame | completely forced it did not work |
| 21:51.34 | randomblame | hardcoded everything I've tried every panel driver in the source, made my own, and every combination of mddi client too |
| 21:53.02 | randomblame | it just needs someone with more time/experience than I have |
| 21:53.33 | randomblame | and I figure it would be a shame to let all the work I did on it be for nothing |
| 21:54.18 | randomblame | so I want to find it a good home with somebody that might actually finish it |
| 21:54.39 | phh | if i had enough time I'd try that |
| 21:54.41 | phh | but not yet. |
| 21:55.10 | randomblame | :D |
| 21:55.13 | phh | 400x240 ? |
| 21:55.14 | phh | wow. |
| 21:55.27 | randomblame | it's not that bad actually |
| 21:55.33 | phh | I mean it's weird |
| 21:55.41 | phh | randomblame: and why are you getting a rhod uh ? :p |
| 21:55.58 | randomblame | because the price was right |
| 21:56.15 | randomblame | my wife got a tilt 2 at&ts version of it as her upgrade |
| 21:56.22 | phh | on the photos, lg incite looks really cheap. |
| 21:56.40 | phh | randomblame: (tilt2 is by definition at&t) |
| 21:57.28 | randomblame | yeah I meant at&t's version of rhod |
| 21:57.29 | randomblame | ptt button and no front facing cam |
| 21:57.47 | randomblame | I played with it for a couple hours and fell in love with that screen, and for some reason it's significantly faster than incite, same cpu but more memory I think the ram is clocked higher |
| 21:58.05 | phh | yup it is |
| 21:58.09 | phh | randomblame: did you try android on it? |
| 21:58.14 | randomblame | yes |
| 21:58.15 | phh | with that screen it's really <3. |
| 21:58.17 | randomblame | it was glorious |
| 21:58.31 | randomblame | I've never seen the kernel complete a boot in person |
| 21:58.35 | randomblame | it was magical |
| 21:58.57 | phh | lol |
| 21:59.19 | randomblame | I've put hundreds of hours into the incite kernel so seeing it just work on rhod really irked me |
| 21:59.37 | phh | I did thausends. |
| 21:59.49 | randomblame | it makes a difference when you have more than one developer :D |
| 22:00.38 | randomblame | anyhow I bought a used rhod off ebay for cheap, then when my upgrade comes I'll be able to get something a little bit snazzier |
| 22:00.50 | randomblame | for now I'll have something to play with though |
| 22:01.15 | randomblame | the keyboard layout needs to get modified for at&t version, sound also needs some work |
| 22:01.16 | phh | what's left to code isn't really easy though :p |
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| 22:01.58 | randomblame | good, that means I'll be learning new things |
| 22:02.20 | phh | disassembling. |
| 22:02.30 | phh | I think that everything's left will need disassembling |
| 22:02.32 | phh | or heavy tracing |
| 22:02.32 | AstainHellbring | hi |
| 22:02.38 | randomblame | hey astain |
| 22:02.57 | jonpry | or wine is not an emulatoring |
| 22:03.04 | AstainHellbring | hey randomblame |
| 22:03.10 | randomblame | phh: meh it has a working kernel, maybe not perfect but there is no limit to the fun I can have with it |
| 22:03.34 | randomblame | the damn small linux port shall begin soooon |
| 22:03.35 | phh | jonpry: it's just a reimplementation of the linker and the libs |
| 22:03.40 | phh | randomblame: lol ? |
| 22:03.43 | phh | DSL on a phone ? |
| 22:03.46 | randomblame | yes yes |
| 22:03.52 | randomblame | better than ubuntu |
| 22:03.54 | randomblame | haha |
| 22:04.34 | AstainHellbring | so I has a native android device again |
| 22:04.42 | phh | randomblame: whatever. |
| 22:04.45 | phh | AstainHellbring: which one ? |
| 22:04.59 | leviathan | olã |
| 22:05.00 | AstainHellbring | mytouch |
| 22:05.05 | leviathan | how is it going? |
| 22:05.06 | leviathan | :)( |
| 22:05.11 | leviathan | :) |
| 22:05.12 | phh | leviathan: memory patch test ? |
| 22:05.15 | phh | AstainHellbring: G1 ? |
| 22:05.23 | leviathan | hmm |
| 22:05.31 | leviathan | didnt do it yet |
| 22:05.34 | leviathan | still on nand |
| 22:05.43 | leviathan | such a piece of shit, this nand driver |
| 22:05.44 | AstainHellbring | magic I believe it is |
| 22:05.48 | leviathan | a miracle its running |
| 22:05.53 | phh | leviathan: lol |
| 22:05.56 | leviathan | :) |
| 22:06.03 | phh | leviathan: you understood all the hardcoded config values ? :p |
| 22:06.07 | leviathan | :) |
| 22:06.11 | leviathan | nope |
| 22:06.15 | phh | right |
| 22:06.16 | phh | me neither. |
| 22:06.21 | leviathan | because I'm lacking the datasheet |
| 22:06.27 | leviathan | wrote to the qualcomm guy |
| 22:06.35 | phh | and no answer yet |
| 22:06.36 | leviathan | that I would like to have the datashee |
| 22:06.37 | leviathan | :) |
| 22:06.39 | phh | how weird. |
| 22:06.46 | phh | why do you need datasheets anyway ? |
| 22:06.55 | leviathan | for pin configuration |
| 22:07.05 | leviathan | so that i can write a clean reimplementation |
| 22:07.09 | phh | ok |
| 22:07.13 | leviathan | with using the interfaces of the kernel |
| 22:07.21 | leviathan | you have less work, then they had |
| 22:07.30 | leviathan | they just can't read docs |
| 22:07.33 | leviathan | thats all >_< |
| 22:07.59 | phh | their was such an interface in linux 2.6.25 ? |
| 22:08.10 | phh | hum, time to sleep |
| 22:09.21 | randomblame | rhobuntu - so odd I have to try it |
| 22:09.30 | randomblame | why would anyone do this |
| 22:09.33 | IceBone | phh: my 3g connection keeps dropping. Well, not dropping, it shows the little icon, but no program can connect. I have to go into airplane mode and then back out. This has only started to happen very recently. Did you change anything, you naughty man? |
| 22:09.59 | jonpry | randomblame: i use rhobuntu |
| 22:10.21 | randomblame | is there a way to send/recieve calls? |
| 22:10.54 | jonpry | no not yet, i think the drivers are there, but there is no ubuntu software for using it as of yet |
| 22:11.08 | randomblame | I thought not |
| 22:11.22 | randomblame | I need a phone not a really small mid |
| 22:11.23 | randomblame | but |
| 22:11.29 | randomblame | it's neato |
| 22:11.48 | jonpry | but it does have wifi. i use it for debugging kernels, works with the latest glemsom/git stuff if you copy the modules into the image |
| 22:12.02 | randomblame | I know it has wifi and 3g for internet |
| 22:12.21 | randomblame | just wasn't certain about the calls |
| 22:12.21 | jonpry | ssh is much better than the little keyboard when typing a bagillion commands |
| 22:12.33 | randomblame | :D |
| 22:12.45 | randomblame | I would like to see dsl running |
| 22:12.53 | randomblame | much less overhead |
| 22:13.13 | randomblame | and more development freedom than with android |
| 22:13.30 | randomblame | anyone remember opie? |
| 22:14.12 | randomblame | or am I the only old fart that was into handhelds before they were phones too |
| 22:14.14 | jonpry | i'm too lazy to live without apt-get |
| 22:14.36 | randomblame | agreed |
| 22:14.49 | randomblame | maybe just a small debian derivitave |
| 22:14.59 | randomblame | ubuntu is massive |
| 22:15.05 | jonpry | so are sd cards |
| 22:15.30 | randomblame | yes but ram does not come in sd format |
| 22:15.43 | randomblame | and swap files tear up nand |
| 22:15.43 | jonpry | swap space? |
| 22:15.53 | jonpry | but not so much sd |
| 22:15.59 | randomblame | sd is nand |
| 22:16.08 | jonpry | with sector remapping |
| 22:16.19 | randomblame | yeah yeah, it will trash an sd card |
| 22:16.38 | randomblame | maybe not immediately but over a period of several months |
| 22:16.39 | jonpry | i used sd swap on an olpc for along time, nothing ever happened to it |
| 22:17.09 | randomblame | olpc yikes |
| 22:17.30 | randomblame | I'm not sure there is any wear leveling built in at the hardware level here though |
| 22:18.00 | jonpry | ? it's built in the sd card |
| 22:18.46 | jonpry | doing some quick calculations here. 20MB/sec continuously, to an 8GB card, yields 100,000 writes in 11,000 hours |
| 22:19.29 | randomblame | 20mb/sec would never happen either |
| 22:19.40 | randomblame | so yeah I suppose it would only be an issue with smaller cards |
| 22:19.46 | jonpry | and not continously |
| 22:23.44 | jonpry | i think my rhodium is basically a pocket sized olpc. except with a better keyboard, higher resolution display, more ram, more rom, better batterly life, wifi that works, and 3g |
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| 22:45.41 | randomblame | lol jonpry I thought the olpc has 1200x900 res |
| 22:46.04 | randomblame | oh I see I misread |
| 22:46.39 | randomblame | what's wrong with rhod's wifi? It works fine for me so far |
| 22:47.44 | jonpry | olpc has different bw and color res. rhod's wifi is great |
| 22:48.21 | jonpry | bw is pretty high, but color doesn't really break 640x480 and it has this terrible high frequency noise in it |
| 22:48.44 | jonpry | like you can see the 3 or 4 spaces in every color pixel, where the black pixel would be |
| 22:48.57 | randomblame | oh I see I'm reading about the screen now |
| 22:48.59 | randomblame | pretty crappy |
| 22:50.07 | randomblame | wow they really screwed those 3rd world kids |
| 22:50.30 | jonpry | lol |
| 22:50.53 | jonpry | and me! |
| 22:52.16 | jonpry | the most frustrating thing about it was the keyboard not working. like keys would stick. sometimes it would take like 10 minutes of fiddling to get a lower case character |
| 22:53.02 | randomblame | just imagine sitting in the mud with it as mosquitos swarmed you trying to get a good signal to download pr0n at 1kbps |
| 22:53.03 | jonpry | they denied there was any issue for like a couple of years, until the warranties expired. now they say there was a small issue in one of the screen printing masks |
| 22:53.06 | randomblame | pooooor children |
| 22:53.52 | jonpry | as long as it isn't video. the thing can't play videos |
| 22:54.21 | randomblame | lol |
| 22:54.41 | randomblame | So a resolution rule of thumb is: 1200x900 gray (sunlit, or room with backlight off), ~1024x768 color (room with backlight on); ~800x600 closet (total darkness). |
| 22:54.55 | randomblame | color resolution depends on ambient lighting |
| 22:54.59 | randomblame | that's ridiculous |
| 22:55.16 | jonpry | it hurts the eyes |
| 22:55.59 | jonpry | i'm glad i upgraded to rhod. it was much cheaper too |
| 22:56.28 | randomblame | yeah, I'm playing with my wifes while I wait for mine to arrive |
| 22:56.39 | randomblame | very nice compared to my incite |
| 22:59.23 | randomblame | tomorrow I get to pick up the new engine for my 280z, I'm calling around to machine shops now pricing out how much it will cost to get the cylinder head shaved a bit |
| 23:00.00 | randomblame | it's going to roar |
| 23:01.15 | jonpry | i have a similar looking car |
| 23:01.37 | jonpry | 83, 944 |
| 23:01.54 | randomblame | nice |
| 23:02.25 | randomblame | I see one around time sometimes |
| 23:02.36 | randomblame | 2.5l 4 banger |
| 23:02.49 | randomblame | not enough growl for me |
| 23:03.05 | randomblame | mine has a 2.8l straight 6 |
| 23:03.12 | jonpry | yeah, thats the thing. i'm going to get a 928 one of these days. it's hard to find a good one |
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| 23:03.55 | randomblame | after shaving it it will be at a 10:1 compression ratio |
| 23:04.15 | randomblame | I'm sure it's really hard to find parts too |
| 23:04.16 | jonpry | that doesn't even require high test |
| 23:04.36 | randomblame | high test? |
| 23:04.52 | jonpry | high octane |
| 23:05.16 | randomblame | it will require premium, the idea behind this build is to get the compression right up to the edge of premium |
| 23:05.18 | jonpry | nm, maybe it does |
| 23:05.20 | randomblame | so I can still run pump gas |
| 23:06.27 | randomblame | the engine I'm getting is an f54 block from an 80s zx, flat top pistons rather than the domed ones that mine came with, plus the new cylinder head that controls detonation better for higher compression possibilities |
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| 23:06.46 | randomblame | I'm excited |
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| 23:07.16 | randomblame | a valve let go on my old engine, went right through the top of a piston, terrible devastation |
| 23:07.19 | randomblame | but anyways |
| 23:07.26 | randomblame | it runs linux |
| 23:07.32 | randomblame | so we're on topic |
| 23:07.39 | jonpry | howd you get that on there? |
| 23:07.54 | jonpry | custom rom for sure |
| 23:08.07 | randomblame | well I had to modify the valve train quite a bit to make it binary |
| 23:08.25 | randomblame | gotta rev it up to 7k rpms in order for it to be usable |
| 23:08.36 | randomblame | otherwise it's just dog slow |
| 23:08.49 | randomblame | rofl |
| 23:08.57 | jonpry | lol |
| 23:09.15 | jonpry | running bel? big engine linux |
| 23:09.36 | randomblame | naw lbl |
| 23:09.39 | randomblame | longblockl |
| 23:09.48 | randomblame | bel had too much overhead |
| 23:10.09 | jonpry | can't be used on a DOHC? |
| 23:10.17 | randomblame | yeah but mine is sohc |
| 23:10.32 | jonpry | oic |
| 23:10.34 | randomblame | it's not multithreaded |
| 23:11.47 | randomblame | someone is going to read the logs and their brain will explode from confusion |
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| 23:12.37 | randomblame | 944 sure is pretty though |
| 23:12.40 | joelinux | ok...new question...."df" shows that I have plenty of space on the SD Micro, but everything is telling me that I don't have space left |
| 23:12.40 | IceBone | I need to have my engine cleaned and tuned up. Doubt it has been in its 13 year old 180.000 km history. |
| 23:12.58 | randomblame | yikes |
| 23:13.17 | randomblame | it probably could stand a rebuild icebone |
| 23:13.26 | IceBone | Nah, it's german. :P |
| 23:13.49 | IceBone | Nothing wrong with it, just could probably use a bit more power. |
| 23:13.55 | randomblame | hah you're right, I did a valve job on my old jetta which was running strong, it died a few weeks later |
| 23:14.26 | randomblame | it rebelled |
| 23:14.39 | randomblame | volkswagen - hitlers revenge |
| 23:15.21 | randomblame | damn thing had 300thousand miles on it though |
| 23:15.23 | IceBone | The new VWs are quite nice. |
| 23:16.01 | randomblame | yeah but who has the cash |
| 23:16.13 | IceBone | Not me, I paid 2000 euro for my baby. |
| 23:16.27 | IceBone | http://img.phyrefile.com/icebone/2010/03/03/_ICE8585.jpg |
| 23:16.30 | IceBone | http://img.phyrefile.com/icebone/2010/03/03/_ICE8584.jpg |
| 23:16.33 | IceBone | http://img.phyrefile.com/icebone/2010/03/03/_ICE8582.jpg |
| 23:16.36 | IceBone | http://img.phyrefile.com/icebone/2010/03/03/_ICE8581.jpg |
| 23:17.09 | randomblame | I paid 300 for my first 280z, a bmw killed it, the insurrance company bought me a new one for 2500 and it's about to get it's 4th engine since I've owned it |
| 23:17.28 | randomblame | shiny rig |
| 23:17.32 | IceBone | You thrashing it? |
| 23:17.57 | DCDemon | mmmm 280z? |
| 23:17.57 | randomblame | no, these are 30 year old used engines taken from sports cars |
| 23:17.58 | DCDemon | datsun? |
| 23:18.07 | randomblame | yeah datsun |
| 23:18.10 | DCDemon | yummy |
| 23:18.12 | DCDemon | what year? |
| 23:18.17 | randomblame | 78 |
| 23:18.19 | DCDemon | better be one of the very early ones |
| 23:18.20 | DCDemon | :D |
| 23:18.24 | DCDemon | you sir win |
| 23:18.25 | randomblame | last year of the original body style |
| 23:19.00 | randomblame | yep, it's getting a new motor from an 82zx should make 30-40 more hp after I'm done with it |
| 23:19.16 | randomblame | icebone- nice ride |
| 23:19.22 | IceBone | thanks |
| 23:19.26 | IceBone | Not very powerful, though. |
| 23:20.02 | IceBone | 127 hp from the factory, doubt it's anything near that. |
| 23:20.07 | IceBone | So... Desire or engine tune up? |
| 23:21.31 | IceBone | Well, the tuneup shouldn't be that expensive. |
| 23:21.41 | IceBone | A whole engine would be half that money. |
| 23:21.49 | randomblame | tune up only covers electrical stuff and oil and filter |
| 23:22.00 | randomblame | I'd be more worried about the health of the valve train |
| 23:22.00 | DCDemon | mm |
| 23:22.02 | IceBone | And timing belts, etc. |
| 23:22.04 | DCDemon | actually randomblame |
| 23:22.11 | DCDemon | you reminded me to pick up a new project car |
| 23:22.21 | DCDemon | might just make it the 280z instead |
| 23:22.39 | DCDemon | ( i was going to shoot for a 95-98 nissan 240z |
| 23:22.40 | IceBone | Well, I'm definitelly doing it before taking it to the nurburgring in summer. |
| 23:22.50 | randomblame | if you decide to go with a z there are many many many resources to help, hybridz.org is a great place to start |
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| 23:24.20 | randomblame | demon, does that thing have hydraulic lifters or are they solid? |
| 23:24.49 | randomblame | sorry icebone |
| 23:24.58 | DCDemon | hmm? |
| 23:25.02 | DCDemon | oh i have no project car atm |
| 23:25.16 | IceBone | randomblame: suspension wise? |
| 23:25.18 | DCDemon | i was looking at possibly getting a 240z as one |
| 23:25.25 | randomblame | valve wise |
| 23:25.34 | DCDemon | although it looks like those 280z's are really nice |
| 23:25.43 | DCDemon | oh wait |
| 23:25.44 | DCDemon | lol |
| 23:25.49 | DCDemon | ( reads it again ) |
| 23:25.51 | randomblame | 240's have weaker frames, harder to get parts, and the motors are not as strong though most things are interchangeable |
| 23:25.55 | IceBone | No clue. :D |
| 23:25.59 | AstainHellbring | my project car is planned to be a second gen camaro |
| 23:26.02 | IceBone | All I know there's 5 of them per cylinder. |
| 23:26.06 | DCDemon | hmm |
| 23:26.10 | DCDemon | need to find a 280z it seems |
| 23:26.25 | DCDemon | .....any on craiglist cost $$$$ |
| 23:26.51 | randomblame | icebone I think that your engine should hold itself together till the end of time from what I'm reading, though if it starts ticking make sure you get it in |
| 23:26.56 | DCDemon | theres a 3 lot of 2x 260z's from 74 and 76 and a 84 ( puke ) 280z |
| 23:27.05 | DCDemon | for $1500 on all 3 |
| 23:27.34 | randomblame | the 260z would be fine, it would just need a new engine, it comes with the l26 2.6l engine you want an l28 |
| 23:27.45 | randomblame | or an f54 like I'm getting |
| 23:28.02 | IceBone | randomblame: yeah, that's what I heard too. Changing the oil tomorrow, will check the old oil if there's any tell tale signs in the residue. |
| 23:28.05 | DCDemon | they are all not in great condition though... |
| 23:28.15 | DCDemon | http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/1705259722.html |
| 23:28.31 | randomblame | yeah, they're getting harder to find, their values are rising too. Too many of them have been wrapped around trees |
| 23:29.15 | DCDemon | lol |
| 23:29.19 | randomblame | eww those are swampy |
| 23:29.24 | randomblame | rust buckets |
| 23:29.30 | randomblame | not worth a dime |
| 23:29.52 | randomblame | unless you really enjoy metal work |
| 23:31.12 | IceBone | Oh, this is what happened to me 2 weeks ago... |
| 23:31.25 | IceBone | http://img.phyrefile.com/icebone/2010/04/14/_ICE9750.jpg |
| 23:31.47 | randomblame | ha nice, passenger side right? It's always the passenger side |
| 23:31.53 | IceBone | Nah, driver. |
| 23:31.59 | randomblame | oh wait you're in europe |
| 23:32.14 | IceBone | We still drive on the left side. o_O |
| 23:32.23 | IceBone | Oh, you're UK. |
| 23:32.27 | randomblame | I'm us |
| 23:32.34 | IceBone | Why are you on the UK server? o_O |
| 23:32.43 | randomblame | hell if I know |
| 23:32.45 | DCDemon | randomblame, i know...but they are the only ones up for sale |
| 23:32.48 | DCDemon | on craiglist that is |
| 23:33.03 | IceBone | Well, it's the left one. :P It must be cause we have bends in the roads. |
| 23:33.17 | DCDemon | and i really dont want to pay more than $1500-$2000 for a project car |
| 23:33.37 | DCDemon | mmm |
| 23:33.38 | DCDemon | http://gainesville.craigslist.org/cto/1683555751.html |
| 23:33.43 | DCDemon | a bit of a drive though |
| 23:34.05 | randomblame | much better |
| 23:34.34 | IceBone | A friend of mine wants me to cosponsor a project car too. Has to be RWD with quite a sporty engine. We'll rip EVERYTHING out, put in 2 recaros, 5 point hearness, and a roll cage and then get killed on the track probably. |
| 23:35.05 | randomblame | killed? totally worth it |
| 23:35.16 | DCDemon | AWESOME |
| 23:35.19 | DCDemon | IM IN THE SAME POSITION TOO! |
| 23:35.22 | DCDemon | :D |
| 23:35.38 | randomblame | http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/76/l_a0273d500c7e4d6da6c1a016ed42de23.jpg |
| 23:35.43 | randomblame | there is mine |
| 23:35.48 | DCDemon | randomblame, any suggestions to look at for places? |
| 23:36.01 | randomblame | not in jacksonville |
| 23:36.09 | randomblame | I'm from sw washington state |
| 23:36.09 | DCDemon | lol |
| 23:36.27 | randomblame | hybridz.org in the classifieds section |
| 23:36.45 | randomblame | there are a lot of people in the z community that don't sell on craigslist |
| 23:36.52 | randomblame | and you'll get better prices too |
| 23:37.05 | IceBone | Damn, an old 3 series bmw looks nice, if the engines didn't have over 300k kms. |
| 23:37.18 | IceBone | 325 with 192 bhp. |
| 23:37.40 | IceBone | Should also be under 1000 kgs. |
| 23:37.46 | randomblame | hmm we may need to start a new channel for this, #cars+linux |
| 23:37.54 | IceBone | How about just #cars? |
| 23:38.05 | randomblame | yeah otherwise we're screwing up the logs |
| 23:38.11 | IceBone | Or since this is an isolated conversation, how about no? :P |
| 23:38.25 | DCDemon | lol |
| 23:38.39 | IceBone | http://www.avto.net/_AVTO/ad.asp?ID=3730510&show=1 |
| 23:38.44 | DCDemon | really what im looking for in this project car is... |
| 23:38.44 | IceBone | WTF is wrong with this car?? |
| 23:38.47 | DCDemon | good body |
| 23:38.50 | DCDemon | straight frame |
| 23:39.02 | DCDemon | and maybe a motor and transmission in it |
| 23:39.14 | DCDemon | elsewise everything else is not needed ( and i would part out anyway ) |
| 23:39.21 | randomblame | it's stolen and or there is a carbomb under the seat |
| 23:39.40 | randomblame | someone just wants you to show up with 2 grand to pay for it in a dark ally |
| 23:39.48 | randomblame | so they can rob you |
| 23:39.57 | DCDemon | btw randomblame...place is nice ill bookie |
| 23:40.07 | DCDemon | only problem with the buy car deal is they are all out of state xD |
| 23:40.24 | randomblame | post that you're looking in your area |
| 23:40.37 | randomblame | a lot of times it's worth it to just rent a trailer for a day and pick up the new car |
| 23:40.42 | *** join/#htc-linux Vito89 (~quassel@gw.loccal.net) |
| 23:40.42 | randomblame | if you can save a grand |
| 23:40.57 | randomblame | or get something without rust and a rebuildable engine |
| 23:41.20 | DCDemon | ahh |
| 23:41.22 | DCDemon | randomblame, http://forums.hybridz.org/index.php?/topic/84320-clean-280z-shell-for-sale-only-needs-motortrans/ |
| 23:41.26 | DCDemon | there we go |
| 23:41.39 | DCDemon | but yea |
| 23:41.50 | DCDemon | id really love to buy one at a grand or so |
| 23:42.22 | randomblame | look at that, it's got a good body, lowered with a new suspension and everything. Just needs a motor/tranny which will cost like 300 bucks |
| 23:43.08 | randomblame | hell even the paint looks alright, just needs to be buffed and waxed |
| 23:43.23 | randomblame | and I like the aftermarket headlight covers |
| 23:43.49 | randomblame | did you see mine? http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/76/l_a0273d500c7e4d6da6c1a016ed42de23.jpg |
| 23:43.59 | IceBone | Looks sexy. |
| 23:44.34 | DCDemon | thanks for the link randomblame |
| 23:44.39 | randomblame | they all need work that's the point of a project car anyways |
| 23:44.41 | randomblame | no prob |
| 23:44.44 | DCDemon | looks like ill get a project car soon after all |
| 23:45.24 | randomblame | mine needs paint, one day... I want to keep it the same color |
| 23:45.34 | randomblame | hard to find a place that will color match properly |
| 23:46.04 | IceBone | Hard to find a painter around here that can afford to be that sloppy. |
| 23:46.25 | randomblame | painters around here are very very sloppy |
| 23:46.39 | randomblame | the only place I can afford is known to allow runs in the paint |
| 23:46.59 | randomblame | seriously |
| 23:47.03 | IceBone | Would be out of business here. Too bad there aren't many tyre places like that. I have to drive 10 kms out of town, past 3 crappy tyre places to get to the good one. |
| 23:47.39 | randomblame | hehe if they were really good they would have inspected your front end and caught that wheel joint before it failed |
| 23:47.59 | IceBone | It's hidden quite well. |
| 23:48.25 | randomblame | it is one of those things that requires checking every time |
| 23:48.27 | DCDemon | hard to find a painter that wont fuck up the paint job |
| 23:48.31 | *** join/#htc-linux M1DLGpc (~M1DLGpc@bb-87-81-252-83.ukonline.co.uk) |
| 23:48.34 | IceBone | randomblame: not at a tyre place. |
| 23:48.39 | randomblame | I cant imagine losing one of those joints on the freeway |
| 23:48.40 | DCDemon | has seen too many paint jobs done around here all too wrong |
| 23:48.51 | randomblame | icebone my tire place is also my front end shop |
| 23:48.57 | DCDemon | like dust/dirt in the coat |
| 23:49.05 | IceBone | Yeah, the ones that do tyres and more are all crap. |
| 23:49.14 | randomblame | not mine |
| 23:49.48 | randomblame | the front end is very important to keep straight and tight otherwise the tires don't last long and as you have found sometimes your wheels fly off |
| 23:49.54 | IceBone | I used another one until I found this one. I once waited 2 hours for them to change the tyres on 2 cars before me... |
| 23:49.57 | IceBone | 2 hours. |
| 23:50.08 | randomblame | rofl |
| 23:50.19 | randomblame | makes a guy want to buy some mounting equipment eh |
| 23:50.23 | IceBone | And they don't check the suspension if you don't ask them either! |
| 23:50.34 | IceBone | They're just so fucking slow... |
| 23:50.59 | randomblame | yeah, every shop is slow |
| 23:51.03 | randomblame | it's a problem |
| 23:51.05 | IceBone | Anyway, I can go to the new place, get new tyres, drive back, go to lunch, a beer with a mate and still be done sooner than the old place. |
| 23:51.14 | randomblame | hahah |
| 23:51.52 | randomblame | I've been driving a 96 ford taurus |
| 23:51.58 | randomblame | I miss my z soooooooooo much |
| 23:52.04 | IceBone | Fords really are crap.... |
| 23:52.07 | randomblame | but it's hard to strap the kid in it |
| 23:52.19 | randomblame | it's a very comfortable car, handles like a whale though |
| 23:52.23 | IceBone | I had a Mondeo, same year as this audi. |
| 23:52.31 | IceBone | Very soft everything. |
| 23:52.36 | IceBone | Except for the plastics inside. |
| 23:52.48 | IceBone | Those are hard, shiny, rough, sharp edges, blech... |
| 23:52.57 | IceBone | Also, the head blew after 2 weeks. |
| 23:53.27 | randomblame | yeah, the transmission for this ford went out, cost me 1200 bucks to fix |
| 23:53.40 | IceBone | Cost 600 euro to buy that mondeo. |
| 23:53.46 | randomblame | and the bastards put a used transmission in it, used, not rebuilt |
| 23:54.04 | randomblame | I wouldn't have fixed it but everything else was perfect and it is a good family car |
| 23:54.32 | randomblame | damned thing is worth far less than I've put into it though |
| 23:54.47 | IceBone | Well, cars depreciate. |
| 23:55.18 | DCDemon | shit |
| 23:55.26 | DCDemon | he wants $750 for the car randomblame |
| 23:55.31 | DCDemon | might grab it |
| 23:55.50 | randomblame | do it |
| 23:56.05 | randomblame | it doesn't have an engine right? you can find one real cheap |
| 23:56.12 | randomblame | and the transmission cheaper |
| 23:56.43 | randomblame | i've bought engines for 20 bucks before |
| 23:56.54 | randomblame | in fact I have one that just needs 1 new piston |
| 23:57.04 | randomblame | but mailing it would cost more than it's worth |
| 23:57.43 | randomblame | I'll have to find a good home for my e88 head |
| 23:58.07 | IceBone | And now sleep. |
| 23:58.09 | randomblame | it's not a good match for the new engine block, compression would be too high, exhaust valves are too small |
| 23:58.23 | IceBone | Slept 4 hours last night and it's 2 am already... |
| 23:58.45 | randomblame | meh |
| 23:58.55 | randomblame | you get used to no sleep |
| 23:59.19 | randomblame | my son is almost 9 months old, it's been about 9 months |
