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| 00:09.42 | dzo | mdrobnak: still here? |
| 00:15.49 | mdrobnak | sorry |
| 00:15.51 | mdrobnak | here now |
| 00:16.15 | dzo | hi, thanks for the ril, it works great now. |
| 00:16.35 | dzo | i made a few changes, if pppd is suid root then dns work fine. |
| 00:16.48 | dzo | because it calls ip-up |
| 00:16.52 | mdrobnak | ahh |
| 00:17.04 | mdrobnak | well, yeah, I ended up having to do that anyway, or else it complained.. |
| 00:17.17 | mdrobnak | Are you using the Ion build? |
| 00:17.26 | dzo | yes |
| 00:17.28 | mdrobnak | (Thats the one I'm using) |
| 00:17.42 | dzo | donut needs a different ril. |
| 00:17.42 | mdrobnak | Hmm, I'll have to check into the ip-up thing again. |
| 00:17.47 | mdrobnak | Yeah, I've heard :-( |
| 00:18.13 | mdrobnak | Did you see my messages about outgoing SMS? |
| 00:18.17 | dzo | i made a new branch but it could probably be merged. |
| 00:18.40 | dzo | no, i think it works though. |
| 00:19.16 | mdrobnak | It seems that the formula to convert from telephone # to SMSC might be incorrect. |
| 00:19.38 | mdrobnak | If I force it to "00" instead of it getting the SMSC from the SIM and converting it to the weird GSM format...it works fine. |
| 00:19.47 | dzo | ok, so it would work on some carriers then. |
| 00:20.02 | mdrobnak | As far as I understood, "00" should mean "use default" |
| 00:20.26 | mdrobnak | So I guess here's where I am: |
| 00:20.32 | mdrobnak | I think we've got a decent RIL. |
| 00:20.38 | dzo | i think it was 00 initially |
| 00:20.42 | mdrobnak | But, there are things that still need to be implemented.. |
| 00:20.43 | mdrobnak | like 2G/3G |
| 00:20.47 | mdrobnak | and cell location stuff |
| 00:21.06 | mdrobnak | Do you have a copy of the dump of commands from the Windows CE RIL? |
| 00:21.17 | mdrobnak | (I thought cr2 had one) |
| 00:21.21 | dzo | yes, 2g/3g should work. can we disconnect and reconnect data easily? |
| 00:21.27 | mdrobnak | well... |
| 00:21.37 | mdrobnak | Well, two things: |
| 00:21.44 | mdrobnak | yes, moving from 2G/3G back and forth works fine |
| 00:21.46 | mdrobnak | But |
| 00:21.49 | mdrobnak | I mean force 2G data |
| 00:21.54 | dzo | i can get a list of commands send by wince. |
| 00:21.54 | mdrobnak | That, does not. |
| 00:22.13 | mdrobnak | That would be great. I would try and get that stuff working/ |
| 00:22.21 | mdrobnak | Then I think we're in good shape. |
| 00:22.24 | dzo | ok, my diamond is only 2g. |
| 00:22.26 | mdrobnak | At least on the GSM side. |
| 00:22.28 | mdrobnak | Hmm. |
| 00:22.55 | mdrobnak | How are you getting the commands, maybe I can do the same thing. |
| 00:23.16 | mdrobnak | s/./? |
| 00:23.22 | dzo | if you just do pwf smem 0x01f00000 0x00100000 you will be able to see the at command buffer. |
| 00:23.54 | mdrobnak | I could launch the "communications manager" and try switching 2G/3G |
| 00:23.58 | dzo | ther'a also a wince reg entry to log all radio calls. |
| 00:24.19 | dzo | but i've never used it. |
| 00:24.59 | mdrobnak | The AT command buffer thing, or the comm manager? |
| 00:25.06 | dzo | yes easiest is to do 2 smem dumps and compare them. |
| 00:25.18 | dzo | the wince reg trick. |
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| 00:26.15 | mdrobnak | How big is the buffer? |
| 00:26.56 | dzo | ok, thanks for all your hard work. i left my diamond on all night with data connected and for the first time it didn't crash |
| 00:27.07 | dzo | bufft is 4K i think (perhaps 8) |
| 00:27.21 | dzo | perhaps 8.. |
| 00:27.33 | mdrobnak | hmm it's taking a minute to do this dump. |
| 00:27.46 | mdrobnak | No problem. I was just as interested in getting it working for myself :-) |
| 00:27.53 | mdrobnak | I'm using it for work now! |
| 00:28.04 | mdrobnak | I just have to keep it tethered cause of battery :-/ |
| 00:28.29 | dzo | battery is good for me, you need the panel code working. what panel do you have? |
| 00:28.40 | mdrobnak | forgets |
| 00:28.43 | mdrobnak | I looked it up too |
| 00:28.58 | mdrobnak | looking now at my dmesg from recently |
| 00:29.46 | dzo | ok, thanks again, got to go now, i'm at work. |
| 00:30.18 | mdrobnak | [ 3.370178] found panel_id=0 at toshiba_mddi_enable, panel=Hitachi |
| 00:30.31 | mdrobnak | Ok, will talk to you more when you have time |
| 00:31.08 | dzo | ok, that doesn't mean you really have a hitachi panel, is it the sharp client? |
| 00:32.07 | dzo | you have a raph right? |
| 00:32.38 | dzo | you could try using the diamond panel code? |
| 00:32.39 | mdrobnak | RAPH110 |
| 00:33.00 | dzo | ok really got to go, bye. |
| 00:33.08 | mdrobnak | [ 3.367004] mddi: registering panel TC358720XBG |
| 00:33.09 | mdrobnak | [ 3.367034] mddi: publish: |
| 00:33.09 | mdrobnak | [ 3.368438] mddi_toshiba_probe |
| 00:33.09 | mdrobnak | [ 3.369079] vsync on gpio 97 now 1 |
| 00:33.09 | mdrobnak | [ 3.370086] toshiba GPIODATA=0x000000c0 panel_id=0 at toshiba_mddi_enable |
| 00:33.09 | mdrobnak | [ 3.370178] found panel_id=0 at toshiba_mddi_enable, panel=Hitachi |
| 00:33.11 | mdrobnak | [ 3.371948] msmfb_probe() installing 480 x 640 panel |
| 00:33.13 | mdrobnak | k |
| 00:33.15 | mdrobnak | bye |
| 00:33.32 | mdrobnak | I'll give that a try later |
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| 00:53.11 | mdrobnak | dzo: I think I have a lead on the force 2G stuff.. AT+CGAATT |
| 00:55.25 | mdrobnak | Looks to be: AT+CGAATT=2,1,0 = Auto, 2,1,1 = GSM only, 2,1,2 = WCDMA only |
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| 01:10.08 | mdrobnak | I hope I got the location stuff too |
| 01:17.38 | mdrobnak | Not so easy :-/ |
| 01:29.04 | mdrobnak | Hmm. Why is "static void requestNeighboringCellIds" commented out? |
| 01:29.05 | mdrobnak | Looks ok to me? |
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| 01:39.02 | mdrobnak | sees why. Code was never finished. |
| 01:46.26 | mdrobnak | Trying my 2G/3G code now |
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| 02:26.20 | mdrobnak | Needs AT+BANDSET=0 set first. Now the code works :-) |
| 02:26.31 | mdrobnak | I can switch between UMTS and GSM at wiil |
| 02:26.36 | mdrobnak | *will |
| 02:31.16 | mdrobnak | Hmm. DNS weirdness with PPPD. Now it finally *does* set the dns...to the wrong values :-/ |
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| 03:22.34 | mdrobnak | Tried to get location id stuff working, keep getting : RIL_onRequestComplete: invalid RIL_Token |
| 03:23.01 | mdrobnak | and kept having crashes when I free'd the memory from the cellIDs. So I stopped doing that. |
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| 03:40.32 | mdrobnak | Ok, no idea how to get that right. If someone could look into getting Cell IDs and signal strength, that would be great. I can get the IDs, but no idea how to get the strength of the ID. |
| 03:40.34 | mdrobnak | Time for bed. |
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| 04:01.28 | ellisway | mdrobnak AT+CSQ %CSQ HTCCSQ |
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| 04:28.22 | swc|666 | mdrobnak, which device are you using btw? |
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| 06:04.58 | tmzt | swc|666: he has raph110 |
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| 06:10.42 | tmzt | geh: there's a driver in android git |
| 06:10.48 | tmzt | what device is this? |
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| 10:26.26 | prinex | does anyone has the problem on the diam100, the numbers in the virtual keyboard does not work when using terminal emulator ? |
| 10:43.41 | tmzt | prinex: the kernel one? |
| 10:43.49 | tmzt | what emulator? in android? |
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| 11:31.06 | mdrobnak | The RIL token thing was my fault - didn't have a return. THat's fixed. Still doesn't do all that much.. |
| 11:36.11 | tmzt | hey |
| 11:36.25 | mdrobnak | Hey |
| 11:36.28 | tmzt | anything on raph110 ram? |
| 11:36.40 | tmzt | cool work on ril |
| 11:37.02 | tmzt | wonder if it's worth replacing rild with something else |
| 11:37.18 | mdrobnak | Thanks. |
| 11:37.29 | mdrobnak | No on the RAM front. |
| 11:37.29 | mdrobnak | Trying to tackle one thing at a time |
| 11:37.36 | mdrobnak | Tried the multitask thing, didn't work for me hehehe |
| 11:38.28 | mdrobnak | RIL is in decent shape, I see a lot less "not supported" responses to Android |
| 11:38.39 | mdrobnak | But I don't think my location code is quite right |
| 11:38.47 | mdrobnak | it was heavily commented out when I started on it |
| 11:38.53 | mdrobnak | and I see why now :-) |
| 11:39.56 | mdrobnak | What I plan on doing, not sure when, is copying the samsung .c files as the the raph board files, and putting in only what's needed to make it boot...to see how well that code works |
| 11:40.08 | mdrobnak | (I expect lots to do there) |
| 11:41.56 | tmzt | ok |
| 11:42.34 | tmzt | since rild communicates with the rest of the system over a fifo |
| 11:42.53 | tmzt | we could replace it with a different gsm stack |
| 11:43.10 | tmzt | just using a compatible mediator |
| 11:43.16 | mdrobnak | Possibly |
| 11:43.23 | mdrobnak | err probably |
| 11:43.26 | mdrobnak | but why |
| 11:43.38 | tmzt | if you look at the calls you'll see the wire format used |
| 11:43.41 | mdrobnak | Unless you want to have 1 RIL and a conversion framework.. |
| 11:43.48 | tmzt | to avoid duplication |
| 11:43.55 | tmzt | just an option |
| 11:44.06 | mdrobnak | Here's the thing: |
| 11:44.12 | mdrobnak | We're going to run into the same problem as the board files |
| 11:44.34 | mdrobnak | There's stuff that's subtly different or drastically different across time.. |
| 11:44.40 | tmzt | we will soon have four stacks on msm |
| 11:44.41 | mdrobnak | and models. |
| 11:44.46 | mdrobnak | Four? |
| 11:45.04 | tmzt | ogsmd fsogsmd ofono rild |
| 11:45.16 | tmzt | but yes |
| 11:45.44 | mdrobnak | If we could make that 2, at least... |
| 11:45.45 | tmzt | I was thibking we should split gpios out of board headers |
| 11:45.56 | mdrobnak | Android / Other standard. |
| 11:46.13 | tmzt | ref ril will never be as good as htcs |
| 11:46.26 | mdrobnak | That's what you think |
| 11:46.27 | mdrobnak | hahah |
| 11:46.35 | tmzt | its just bad and ibcomplete |
| 11:46.38 | mdrobnak | Some of these companies stuff is kinda hacky to begin with |
| 11:46.44 | tmzt | I guess |
| 11:47.14 | tmzt | but it will also block on certain operations |
| 11:47.16 | mdrobnak | I think the GSM code in the RIL I'm working on isn't terribly bad. Just memory management stuff is where you get into trouble. |
| 11:47.24 | tmzt | anyway |
| 11:47.34 | tmzt | and cdma? |
| 11:47.38 | mdrobnak | (I crashed on a inapproriate free) |
| 11:47.44 | mdrobnak | I can't speak to CDMA |
| 11:47.48 | mdrobnak | That's your realm :-) |
| 11:48.09 | mdrobnak | (Used to be mine, always been a fan of CDMA tech) |
| 11:48.09 | tmzt | we also dont have source for rild or do we |
| 11:48.17 | mdrobnak | one sec. |
| 11:48.21 | tmzt | yeah we do |
| 11:48.25 | tmzt | forgot |
| 11:48.31 | mdrobnak | mdrobnak@mdrobnak-desktop:~/android-repo/hardware/ril/rild$ ls -l |
| 11:48.31 | mdrobnak | total 28 |
| 11:48.31 | mdrobnak | -rw-r--r-- 1 mdrobnak mdrobnak 517 2009-09-19 14:24 Android.mk |
| 11:48.31 | mdrobnak | -rw-r--r-- 1 mdrobnak mdrobnak 0 2009-09-19 14:24 MODULE_LICENSE_APACHE2 |
| 11:48.31 | mdrobnak | -rw-r--r-- 1 mdrobnak mdrobnak 10695 2009-09-19 14:24 NOTICE |
| 11:48.31 | mdrobnak | -rw-r--r-- 1 mdrobnak mdrobnak 3367 2009-09-19 14:24 radiooptions.c |
| 11:48.33 | mdrobnak | -rw-r--r-- 1 mdrobnak mdrobnak 7761 2009-09-19 14:24 rild.c |
| 11:48.35 | mdrobnak | mdrobnak@mdrobnak-desktop:~/android-repo/hardware/ril/rild$ |
| 11:48.42 | mdrobnak | LOL the "notice" is bigger then the code |
| 11:48.52 | mdrobnak | (almost) |
| 11:49.00 | tmzt | anyway we should split smi headrs |
| 11:49.19 | tmzt | and switch all machine tests to amss |
| 11:49.31 | tmzt | right macros for those tests |
| 11:49.48 | tmzt | write |
| 11:49.55 | tmzt | as for gpios |
| 11:50.16 | tmzt | use RAPH100 unless its different |
| 11:50.40 | tmzt | put them all in one file in some sane order |
| 11:50.45 | tmzt | raph first |
| 11:51.14 | tmzt | use samsung ndp and client layout |
| 11:51.20 | mdrobnak | ndp? |
| 11:51.23 | tmzt | mdp |
| 11:51.30 | mdrobnak | oh |
| 11:51.30 | tmzt | mddi |
| 11:51.41 | mdrobnak | I think they're missing some panel code |
| 11:51.54 | tmzt | but leave g1 version |
| 11:52.04 | tmzt | use a new folder |
| 11:52.21 | tmzt | like I did for msm-single locally |
| 11:52.27 | tmzt | and ts raw |
| 11:52.46 | tmzt | and support building for trout and sapp |
| 11:55.00 | tuxhero | tmzt do u know the diamond param to set panel type |
| 11:55.49 | tmzt | ony htcdiamond_panel.type |
| 11:55.57 | tmzt | if thats right |
| 11:56.05 | tuxhero | thnx |
| 11:56.12 | mdrobnak | tmzt: So that's a question I have - do we do our work in the trout / halibut files using ifdef's or use a seperate file? |
| 11:56.18 | mdrobnak | If the code will be mostly the same |
| 11:56.31 | tmzt | seperate |
| 11:56.53 | tmzt | although we could start over with sapp |
| 11:57.06 | tmzt | which gives use smi split |
| 11:57.21 | tmzt | I think gpio is the fiest thing |
| 11:57.28 | mdrobnak | The SMI thing is just diamond, or raph too? |
| 11:57.33 | tmzt | amss_ops second |
| 11:57.36 | mdrobnak | (gotta run in 2 second) |
| 11:57.42 | tmzt | all of tgem |
| 11:57.46 | mdrobnak | o |
| 11:57.48 | mdrobnak | *ok |
| 11:57.55 | tmzt | si32 smi64 |
| 11:58.09 | tmzt | smi |
| 11:58.17 | mdrobnak | Now GPIO - you mean use the defined Qualcomm stuff instead of our not necessarily commented stuff? |
| 11:58.28 | tmzt | no |
| 11:58.41 | mdrobnak | Not sure what you mean then. |
| 11:58.46 | tmzt | I mean get gpios out of board header |
| 11:59.10 | tmzt | and use mach/gpios.h |
| 11:59.12 | mdrobnak | But aren't they different? |
| 11:59.19 | tmzt | for everything |
| 11:59.20 | mdrobnak | Depending on the model? |
| 11:59.27 | tmzt | with board prefix |
| 11:59.42 | mdrobnak | I see. |
| 11:59.45 | tmzt | RAPH100 will be the base |
| 11:59.58 | mdrobnak | Instead of calling GPIO for CAMERA...RAPH_CAMERA or something? |
| 12:00.08 | tmzt | the others get there own prefix |
| 12:00.24 | tmzt | the numbers |
| 12:00.30 | tmzt | look at a header |
| 12:00.45 | tmzt | board-raphael.h |
| 12:00.52 | tmzt | youll see |
| 12:01.37 | mdrobnak | ok |
| 12:01.39 | mdrobnak | gotta run |
| 12:01.44 | mdrobnak | ttyk |
| 12:01.46 | mdrobnak | *ttyl |
| 12:07.06 | Killsudo | tmzt: is the raphael stuff for the ATT Fuze android port? |
| 12:08.37 | tmzt | fuze is raph110 |
| 12:08.46 | tmzt | android is an option |
| 12:08.48 | tmzt | why? |
| 12:09.35 | Killsudo | I think the att pure(topaz) is the same hardware |
| 12:09.39 | Killsudo | or at least close |
| 12:09.52 | Killsudo | just started digging into the xda forums and git repo |
| 12:10.10 | Killsudo | seriously thinking about picking up a topaz and trying to help with android |
| 12:10.30 | tmzt | cool |
| 12:10.34 | tmzt | no |
| 12:10.41 | tmzt | similar but not the same |
| 12:10.56 | tmzt | seems there was a breakthrough on topa yesterday though |
| 12:11.04 | Killsudo | yea they got further |
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| 12:11.16 | tmzt | and we know how to support it's radio |
| 12:11.19 | Killsudo | I already pulled down the changes and compiled the kernel for fun, nothing to test on tho |
| 12:11.21 | tmzt | details? |
| 12:11.35 | tmzt | you have a fuze now? |
| 12:11.39 | Killsudo | no hermes |
| 12:11.45 | tmzt | ah |
| 12:11.46 | tmzt | ok |
| 12:11.49 | Killsudo | and it bricked by boot loader loop |
| 12:12.06 | tmzt | loop? |
| 12:12.08 | Killsudo | i think the rom mem now consists of bad blocks |
| 12:12.18 | tmzt | you couldn't flash it? |
| 12:12.22 | Killsudo | and I have tried every tool or trick to fix it |
| 12:12.25 | Killsudo | yea I can flash |
| 12:12.33 | Killsudo | but it just loads spl again |
| 12:13.00 | tmzt | I see |
| 12:13.11 | tmzt | #xda-devs didn't help? |
| 12:13.14 | Killsudo | permenantly stuck, I managed to get stock at&t rom to load once but when it rebooted after customize it just went right back to loop |
| 12:13.32 | tmzt | that might be ext |
| 12:13.35 | tmzt | but anyway |
| 12:13.49 | Killsudo | even dropped into the bootloader console ran some cmds ppl said helped before |
| 12:13.52 | tmzt | if we can support topa which should be doable |
| 12:13.59 | tmzt | android is an option |
| 12:14.05 | tmzt | not the only one |
| 12:14.14 | Killsudo | still nothing, even tried a radio reflash and full htc shipping rom |
| 12:14.19 | Killsudo | so yea I need a phone |
| 12:14.41 | Killsudo | yea Im not really a kernel dev at all, but I would like to learn the basics of hardware and some of the process |
| 12:14.55 | Killsudo | Ive always loved hardware, currently a datacenter admin lol |
| 12:15.19 | Killsudo | figured helping with topaz might scratch the itch |
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| 12:17.17 | Killsudo | I just really don't want to be stuck with a windows mobile phone again lol |
| 12:18.17 | Killsudo | I still have never got my hermes to sync under linux and I gave it a good couple shots with synce |
| 12:23.01 | Killsudo | Mostly just wondering if theres a serious chance of the topaz get reversed engineered or if I should stop being crazy and just wait for a blessed att android |
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| 12:28.39 | prinex | tmzt: yes the emulator in android |
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| 13:52.05 | prinex | townkat: is not haret, you need a zimage with squash support |
| 13:58.04 | townkat | i had one |
| 13:59.01 | townkat | i just needed to change system-donut-market-fix.sqsh to system.sqsh and erase the old .img, thnx alot |
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| 17:20.27 | c4software | Hello |
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| 17:41.54 | dcordes | hi all |
| 17:42.10 | bertramt | hi |
| 17:44.49 | bertramt | Has anybody started looking at Android on the Touch Pro 2? |
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| 18:52.29 | kiozen | hi cr2 |
| 18:52.36 | cr2 | hi kiozen |
| 18:52.43 | tuxhero | hi cr2 |
| 18:52.46 | kiozen | bought my 1st real mobile phone today :) |
| 18:52.55 | kiozen | nokia e71 |
| 18:53.02 | cr2 | kiozen: lol |
| 18:53.05 | kiozen | wanted to buy a palm pre |
| 18:53.08 | cr2 | kiozen: but it's not wince |
| 18:53.18 | cr2 | pre is linux ? |
| 18:53.23 | kiozen | there is qt for symbian os |
| 18:53.37 | cr2 | how much ram ? |
| 18:53.40 | cr2 | hi tuxhero |
| 18:53.45 | kiozen | yes pre is linux and it's a big "schnüffel" phone |
| 18:53.55 | kiozen | it's worse than Mr Schäuble |
| 18:54.01 | cr2 | LOL |
| 18:54.16 | kiozen | I was really furiose |
| 18:54.24 | kiozen | it's such a nice piece of hardware |
| 18:54.47 | tuxhero | Turn-on MDDI host clock... |
| 18:54.47 | tuxhero | 17:35:53 [D:DISP] +Panel_StateChange... |
| 18:54.47 | tuxhero | 17:35:53 [D:DISP] SharpPowerOn... |
| 18:54.48 | tuxhero | [K] LockSpeed(d,1) |
| 18:54.48 | tuxhero | [K] Lock=2082 |
| 18:54.48 | tuxhero | 17:35:53 [D:DISP] +EPS_774_Init |
| 18:54.50 | tuxhero | 17:35:53 [D:DISP] -EPS_774_Init |
| 18:54.52 | tuxhero | 17:35:53 [D:DISP] Sharp normal panel... |
| 18:54.53 | kiozen | but it has to be connected 24h to the network |
| 18:54.54 | tuxhero | 17:35:53 [D:MISC] [SPIWriteToLCD] dwSPIValue: 0xf01!! |
| 18:54.56 | tuxhero | 17:35:53 [D:MISC] [SPIWriteToLCD] dwSPIValue: 0x501!! |
| 18:54.58 | tuxhero | 17:35:53 [D:MISC] [SPIWriteToLCD] dwSPIValue: 0x710!! |
| 18:55.00 | tuxhero | 17:35:53 [D:MISC] [SPIWriteToLCD] dwSPIValue: 0x91e!! |
| 18:55.02 | tuxhero | 17:35:53 [D:MISC] [SPIWriteToLCD] dwSPIValue: 0xa04!! |
| 18:55.04 | tuxhero | cr2 this is wince dmesg of Blackstone |
| 18:55.07 | kiozen | all data is transfered to palm |
| 18:55.27 | kiozen | encrypted with their key |
| 18:55.30 | cr2 | bertramt: porting android and linux are two different things |
| 18:55.42 | cr2 | kiozen: hmm. |
| 18:55.53 | tuxhero | cr2 it says Sharp normal panel does this mean blackstone has sharp panel?? |
| 18:56.01 | kiozen | and no way to turn that off |
| 18:56.05 | cr2 | tuxhero: yes, i'll reboot to windows later today, to look at EPS init |
| 18:56.28 | kiozen | I have been waiting for the pre for half a year now |
| 18:56.32 | cr2 | tuxhero: yes, but this sharp is not vga sharp on diam100 |
| 18:56.45 | kiozen | _that_ was frustrating |
| 18:56.57 | tuxhero | cr2 ya sharp wvga has diff values |
| 18:56.58 | kiozen | any I have to port qlandkarte m to symbian now :) |
| 18:57.06 | kiozen | s/any/anyway/ |
| 18:57.08 | cr2 | hehe |
| 18:57.28 | cr2 | kiozen: better to port linux to e71 :) |
| 18:57.45 | tuxhero | cr2 how every one though that there is a epson panel :( |
| 18:57.46 | cr2 | but will be pita. |
| 18:57.48 | kiozen | uhhhh, I hvae bad experience on that :) |
| 18:58.00 | cr2 | tuxhero: epson is a "video card" |
| 18:58.22 | cr2 | kiozen: yeah. n560 is a really weird device |
| 18:58.24 | tuxhero | cr2 okkk got it |
| 18:58.24 | c4software | i had a sharp panel too. :S |
| 18:58.50 | kiozen | but it's kind of usable |
| 18:59.00 | kiozen | I have done some work on M lately |
| 18:59.06 | kiozen | wait some screenshots.... |
| 18:59.08 | cr2 | tuxhero: mddi controller is video card |
| 18:59.29 | tuxhero | cr2 what what abt toshiba? |
| 18:59.30 | cr2 | kiozen: i need a rootfs for raph100 |
| 19:00.03 | cr2 | tuxhero: toshiba is another "card". there is also novatek |
| 19:00.03 | kiozen | cr2: http://www.qlandkarte.org/snapshot5.png M on big screen |
| 19:00.43 | cr2 | kiozen: 480x800 ? |
| 19:00.57 | kiozen | 1920xwhatever |
| 19:01.05 | cr2 | not a phone |
| 19:01.05 | tuxhero | cr2 there is another drivers call MC4 do u know any thing abt it? |
| 19:01.17 | cr2 | tuxhero: no. |
| 19:01.49 | cr2 | kiozen: port M to android. lol :) |
| 19:01.55 | kiozen | cr2: http://www.qlandkarte.org/snapshot6.png that's waypoint dialog with new iphone style menu |
| 19:02.06 | kiozen | cr2: I hate java |
| 19:02.22 | kiozen | on the E71 I can code python :) |
| 19:02.46 | cr2 | kiozen: i know :O) |
| 19:03.00 | kiozen | I love python |
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| 19:03.11 | c4software | love too <3 |
| 19:03.11 | c4software | :D |
| 19:03.16 | kiozen | :)) |
| 19:03.30 | cr2 | kiozen: gps is still not working on msm, so i can't test M yet |
| 19:03.37 | kiozen | :( |
| 19:03.38 | tuxhero | cr2 r u working on panel code? |
| 19:04.01 | kiozen | cr2: it's start's to get real fun now |
| 19:04.03 | cr2 | tuxhero: i need to write panel powerup/down for raph |
| 19:04.20 | c4software | dzo work on it tuxhero. i have send to him some dump for the sharp panel |
| 19:04.31 | kiozen | one or two more releases and it's real useable |
| 19:04.34 | cr2 | kiozen: yes, if it's solved, a lot of phones will be able to run M |
| 19:05.02 | cr2 | c4software: your sharp is not tuxhero's sharp |
| 19:05.04 | phh | what's 'M' ? |
| 19:05.21 | cr2 | phh: http://www.qlandkarte.org |
| 19:05.27 | c4software | ah okay sorry cr2 :S |
| 19:05.31 | kiozen | it's 100% tochscreen usabel, and 80% key pad useable |
| 19:05.51 | cr2 | kiozen: accelerometer support ? |
| 19:05.58 | bertramt | cr2: I am very aware of that. I should have asked is anybody has looked at a kernel for the TP2 |
| 19:06.02 | kiozen | no |
| 19:06.17 | cr2 | bertramt: you asked about android :) |
| 19:06.27 | kiozen | you mean acc or just displaying velocity? |
| 19:06.29 | tuxhero | cr2 need help finding i2c addrs |
| 19:06.49 | cr2 | bertramt: i have compiled an image for topa/rhod |
| 19:07.04 | cr2 | tuxhero: you need to mmutrace the i2c read/write registers |
| 19:07.27 | cr2 | kiozen: the accelerometer itself. there is also kompass on g1 et al |
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| 19:07.52 | kiozen | ok, you mean acc, no no support for that |
| 19:07.53 | cr2 | bertramt: you can try to boot, and look at the log |
| 19:08.05 | tuxhero | cr2 ok i will try it. U seem to be free today |
| 19:08.09 | cr2 | kiozen: i think it may be fun in tunnels |
| 19:08.27 | kiozen | yes, sure :) |
| 19:08.50 | dcordes | bertramt, it's better to use device codenames (topic) |
| 19:08.56 | kiozen | my mikrokopter has one too :) |
| 19:09.09 | cr2 | but double integration may be error prone |
| 19:09.42 | cr2 | kiozen: it's a usual input device on raph |
| 19:10.01 | kiozen | yes, within the mk it's coupled with the gyro sensors |
| 19:10.59 | kiozen | both keep the beast pretty stabeö |
| 19:11.00 | cr2 | so you can just query the acceleration at any time |
| 19:11.00 | cr2 | ok |
| 19:11.00 | kiozen | s/stabeö/stable/ |
| 19:11.01 | cr2 | dcordes: does bt work on x1 ? |
| 19:11.22 | dcordes | cr2, I can try it out |
| 19:11.24 | kiozen | lol, apt is slow today |
| 19:11.47 | cr2 | yes, was ,my thought too |
| 19:11.48 | dcordes | ~lart apt |
| 19:11.48 | apt | hooks into a hydrant and hoses dcordes down |
| 19:12.06 | cr2 | LOL |
| 19:12.07 | kiozen | uhhhh |
| 19:12.17 | dcordes | :( |
| 19:14.34 | cr2 | phh: the clock-wince need to check pll frequency too. the newer msm7201a phones run pll1 at higher speed. i don't see any good reason for that, but it's too tricky to adjust the pll frequency |
| 19:16.15 | phh | really tough one ... |
| 19:16.44 | cr2 | phh: i'm removed 4Mbit for BT by error. |
| 19:18.02 | dcordes | cr2, what's up with the patch you asked me to push? |
| 19:18.53 | cr2 | phh: maybe it's better to modify the clock search code, so it is not necessary to sort them |
| 19:19.16 | phh | cr2: what about dynamic clock generation ? |
| 19:19.22 | cr2 | dcordes: making diff |
| 19:19.39 | dcordes | ok |
| 19:20.00 | cr2 | phh: Integer programming ? may be too tricky. |
| 19:20.15 | phh | ok |
| 19:20.18 | cr2 | phh: and buggy. |
| 19:21.03 | cr2 | you need to put all constraints (like M<N, number of bits for M and N, etc), and in the end it may hit some hw bug |
| 19:22.16 | phh | alright |
| 19:23.59 | cr2 | phh: codeaurora has 2 pll sets of frequences |
| 19:24.13 | phh | mmm |
| 19:24.30 | phh | why not then |
| 19:25.21 | cr2 | different cpu |
| 19:25.31 | cr2 | we need to change many things |
| 19:25.39 | cr2 | our cpu seems to be more simple |
| 19:26.22 | cr2 | but dynamic clock generation may work ok |
| 19:27.13 | phh | maybe some statics tools might be useful still |
| 19:27.42 | cr2 | we may try to model it with glpk |
| 19:28.23 | cr2 | http://www.gnu.org/software/glpk |
| 19:29.18 | cr2 | so it comes only to defining the constraints |
| 19:34.40 | cr2 | dcordes: raph100 panel code adapted for topa100 https://privatepaste.com/0317BCBUdV |
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| 19:43.44 | Reactor16 | Hi ALl |
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| 19:53.43 | cr2 | bertramt: does it work for you ? |
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| 20:05.02 | cr2 | arch/arm/mach-msm/qdsp5/adsp_driver.c:468: undefined reference to `put_pmem_file' |
| 20:05.04 | cr2 | hmm |
| 20:08.40 | cr2 | #include <linux/android_pmem.h> |
| 20:08.50 | cr2 | this should be wrapped into ANDROID_PMEM |
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| 20:12.27 | cr2 | qdsp5/adsp_driver.c is spoiled by pmem too |
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| 20:42.55 | townkat | tuxhero: did you tested with sharp panel ? does it work / |
| 20:42.56 | townkat | ? |
| 20:44.47 | tuxhero | no |
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| 21:10.14 | bertramt | cr2: I don't have the phone yet, I was trying to decide if I wanted one to replace my raph800, but since I don't have to pay for it I might as well. I should have the phone next week. I still have a spare Raph800 if I ever want to switch back so I figured whats the harm. |
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| 21:14.45 | tmzt | bertramt: 7600 rhod? |
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| 21:19.04 | bertramt | tmzt: yeah |
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| 21:19.46 | bertramt | tmzt: is the GSM only version still a 7501a? |
| 21:19.51 | tmzt | no |
| 21:19.58 | tmzt | gsm is msm7200a |
| 21:20.09 | tmzt | cdma/gsm is msm7600 |
| 21:20.15 | tmzt | or a not sure |
| 21:20.32 | tmzt | but the amss/radio is closer to cdma like raph800 |
| 21:20.55 | bertramt | tmzt: the cdma/gsm one is a 7600 I looked at my boss's today |
| 21:21.06 | tmzt | right |
| 21:21.17 | tmzt | but I don't trust windows device info |
| 21:21.58 | tmzt | there's no reason we can't get this generation to work |
| 21:22.16 | tmzt | it might even be easier because of the similarities with android radio |
| 21:22.24 | tmzt | amss is the radio firmware |
| 21:22.35 | tmzt | advanced mobile subscriber system |
| 21:22.51 | tmzt | it's responsible for a lot of device functions |
| 21:22.59 | tmzt | not just rf |
| 21:23.28 | bertramt | tmzt: cool, what do you have now? |
| 21:23.40 | tmzt | what do you mean |
| 21:23.52 | tmzt | we have amss just a different version |
| 21:23.59 | tmzt | raph800 is 6150 |
| 21:24.04 | bertramt | tmzt: what phone do you have? |
| 21:24.09 | tmzt | raph500 |
| 21:24.20 | tmzt | Verizon version |
| 21:24.46 | tmzt | maejrep had a raph800 |
| 21:24.53 | tmzt | but something happened to it |
| 21:24.54 | bertramt | have you had any luck getting anything working with the cdma radio? |
| 21:25.00 | tmzt | yeah |
| 21:25.06 | tmzt | data and calls work |
| 21:25.10 | bertramt | really? |
| 21:25.18 | tmzt | no audio when calling someone yet |
| 21:25.27 | tmzt | they can't hear you |
| 21:25.32 | bertramt | I can't get data or calls to work at all |
| 21:25.33 | tmzt | you can hear them |
| 21:25.37 | tmzt | oh? |
| 21:25.42 | tmzt | they should |
| 21:25.54 | tmzt | but android needs mdrobnak's ril work |
| 21:26.03 | tmzt | I use angstron/Mer |
| 21:26.11 | tmzt | wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 21:26.15 | bertramt | did you have to put any special settings in the startup.txt? |
| 21:26.43 | tmzt | like? |
| 21:27.04 | tmzt | those just get passed to the kernel and scripts on the command line |
| 21:27.22 | tmzt | my userland ignores them so I don't bother |
| 21:28.11 | tmzt | I use a samll script to bring up ppp and ip tables |
| 21:28.28 | bertramt | so calls or data are not working in android yet but it does in the kernel? |
| 21:28.37 | tmzt | yeah |
| 21:28.47 | tmzt | they would work in android with the ril stuff |
| 21:28.53 | tmzt | so I'm not sure why |
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| 21:29.05 | tmzt | but since mic doesn't work there's little point |
| 21:29.23 | tmzt | sms is a little harder unless ril already supports the cdma version |
| 21:29.28 | bertramt | I would really like data to work in android |
| 21:29.39 | tmzt | the try the new ril |
| 21:29.48 | tmzt | can't tell you where to get it |
| 21:29.59 | tmzt | the scripts they were using are broken |
| 21:30.03 | tmzt | actually |
| 21:30.13 | tmzt | it seems it's dns that's the problem |
| 21:30.20 | tmzt | setprop dns1 dns |
| 21:30.23 | tmzt | should work |
| 21:30.38 | tmzt | mdrobnak: you here? |
| 21:31.33 | bertramt | tmzt: are you normally around afternoons? |
| 21:32.04 | tmzt | whose time? |
| 21:32.15 | bertramt | tmzt: I need to get going but I would like to chat again |
| 21:32.28 | tmzt | sure, just tmzt: ping |
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| 21:32.47 | tmzt | mdrobak should be here later |
| 21:32.57 | tmzt | and he can probably help you more |
| 21:33.06 | tmzt | with android and data |
| 21:33.37 | bertramt | tmzt: cool, thank you (i assume if you have a CDMA phone and it is aftenoon everywhere in the US right now) |
| 21:33.51 | tmzt | right |
| 21:34.01 | tmzt | I'll be here later too probably |
| 21:34.23 | bertramt | also as a side note, the autobuild kernel doesn't boot on the raph800 |
| 21:35.30 | bertramt | but the diamond kernel does... |
| 21:35.54 | bertramt | I tracked down the kernel options that are the problem |
| 21:36.35 | tmzt | options? |
| 21:36.43 | tmzt | they aren't supporting cdma |
| 21:36.52 | tmzt | we have to fix some things properly |
| 21:36.59 | alexandernst | Quick question. N97 mini or HTC Pro 2 ? |
| 21:37.07 | bertramt | see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4743805&postcount=4824 |
| 21:37.09 | tmzt | tp 2 |
| 21:37.21 | alexandernst | tmzt: That was for me? |
| 21:37.22 | tmzt | n97 will be almost impossible to support |
| 21:37.25 | bertramt | I have to run we will chat later |
| 21:37.28 | tmzt | n900 already has linux |
| 21:37.32 | tmzt | of course |
| 21:37.42 | alexandernst | tmzt: Yeah, but N900 is really expensive... |
| 21:38.00 | tmzt | tp2 is rhod200? |
| 21:38.14 | alexandernst | what is rhod200 ? :S |
| 21:38.16 | tmzt | support is coming, when is another matter |
| 21:38.21 | tmzt | codename |
| 21:38.29 | tmzt | wiki.xda-developers.com |
| 21:38.33 | tmzt | or rhod100 forget |
| 21:38.36 | alexandernst | I don't know :/ I just know that it's a HTC Touch Pro 2. |
| 21:38.42 | tmzt | wiki.xda-developers.com |
| 21:39.01 | alexandernst | tmzt: Is it really important the codename? |
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| 21:39.49 | tmzt | yes, because thatqs how we know the devices |
| 21:40.27 | tmzt | when they used to be called different things all over the world |
| 21:40.29 | tmzt | we are only getting used to this series |
| 21:40.32 | alexandernst | So, Touch Pro 2 has some codenames, what are the differences between each codename? |
| 21:40.45 | tmzt | there's a gsm only version |
| 21:40.56 | tmzt | a cdma/gsm version with different chipset |
| 21:41.03 | tmzt | that might be it for now |
| 21:41.53 | alexandernst | Ok, so, I need the gsm version, right? |
| 21:42.06 | [1]Captnoord | europe yup |
| 21:42.51 | alexandernst | Ok. |
| 21:43.14 | alexandernst | I red something that the gsm version will probably support linux in some time. What about the cdma version? |
| 21:43.33 | [1]Captnoord | cdma is a bit harder |
| 21:44.20 | alexandernst | Ok, I'll ask if this is the gsm or the cdma version :) Thank you! |
| 21:44.38 | [1]Captnoord | what is this? |
| 21:44.52 | alexandernst | HTC Touch Pro 2 |
| 21:44.52 | [1]Captnoord | what do you mean |
| 21:45.08 | alexandernst | I'm going to buy a tp2, but I was not sure what version is. |
| 21:45.13 | [1]Captnoord | sorry tmzt if I highjack your freshman |
| 21:45.14 | alexandernst | And what are the differences. |
| 21:45.15 | [1]Captnoord | dude |
| 21:45.17 | [1]Captnoord | pop off the back |
| 21:45.21 | [1]Captnoord | and remove the battery |
| 21:45.25 | [1]Captnoord | there is a label |
| 21:45.38 | [1]Captnoord | which show's you your device code name |
| 21:45.48 | tmzt | I don't think he has one |
| 21:45.51 | tmzt | yet |
| 21:45.52 | [1]Captnoord | mine is RAPH300 which is a htc touch pro |
| 21:45.59 | [1]Captnoord | lol |
| 21:46.04 | tmzt | 300? |
| 21:46.09 | [1]Captnoord | alexandernst: there are gsm and cdma versions of it |
| 21:46.11 | tmzt | same as 100 isn't it? |
| 21:46.14 | [1]Captnoord | T-Mobile |
| 21:46.16 | [1]Captnoord | yup |
| 21:46.26 | tmzt | so that's rhod200? |
| 21:46.26 | [1]Captnoord | I guess... |
| 21:46.37 | tmzt | tmobile has 3.5mm |
| 21:46.41 | [1]Captnoord | I haven't really digged into it anoigh |
| 21:46.41 | tmzt | it's different |
| 21:47.09 | alexandernst | Ok, I'll ask all those things tomorrow morning :) |
| 21:47.28 | [1]Captnoord | lol |
| 21:47.31 | tmzt | ask who? |
| 21:47.36 | tmzt | they don't tell you |
| 21:47.47 | [1]Captnoord | they don't understand |
| 21:47.47 | alexandernst | The guy who is selling me the phone x) |
| 21:47.48 | tmzt | but you can look at the label on a real one |
| 21:47.48 | [1]Captnoord | they don't know |
| 21:48.01 | [1]Captnoord | dude |
| 21:48.06 | tmzt | I can't say tp2 will be supported |
| 21:48.11 | [1]Captnoord | don't buy it if you intent to run linux on it |
| 21:48.18 | tmzt | I can only say rhod200 probably will |
| 21:48.28 | [1]Captnoord | will take time |
| 21:48.32 | tmzt | he's trying to decide between that and n97 mini |
| 21:48.46 | [1]Captnoord | lol |
| 21:48.49 | tmzt | Captnoord: cr2 says the amss is easier on these |
| 21:48.56 | [1]Captnoord | oO |
| 21:48.57 | [1]Captnoord | good |
| 21:49.12 | [1]Captnoord | I think he should wait |
| 21:49.17 | tmzt | for? |
| 21:49.20 | [1]Captnoord | or buy a samsung android phone |
| 21:49.23 | alexandernst | :S |
| 21:49.42 | [1]Captnoord | personaly with the knowlage I have now..... |
| 21:49.52 | [1]Captnoord | I won't even considered taking the raphael |
| 21:50.06 | AstainHellbring | [1]Captnoord what would you get instead? |
| 21:50.15 | [1]Captnoord | back then |
| 21:50.20 | [1]Captnoord | I should have taken the G1 |
| 21:50.34 | alexandernst | I don't like the G1 :( |
| 21:50.35 | [1]Captnoord | but now.... I will wait for a snapdragon phone |
| 21:50.40 | SneakyViper | idd |
| 21:50.55 | SneakyViper | high-res snapdragon android phone |
| 21:50.57 | alexandernst | I like the n97 mini || tp2 because of the design. |
| 21:51.08 | [1]Captnoord | i'm a praktical user... so I need something praktical.. |
| 21:51.18 | [1]Captnoord | not a phone thats unreliable |
| 21:51.26 | tmzt | which os do you like better? |
| 21:51.29 | [1]Captnoord | windows mobile is crap |
| 21:51.37 | [1]Captnoord | me |
| 21:51.39 | tmzt | yeah, there's a lot of reasons to make choices |
| 21:51.44 | [1]Captnoord | I like menuetos |
| 21:51.51 | tmzt | ah, ok |
| 21:51.57 | tmzt | port that then :) |
| 21:51.59 | [1]Captnoord | http://www.menuetos.net/ |
| 21:52.05 | [1]Captnoord | lol |
| 21:52.05 | [1]Captnoord | :P |
| 21:52.17 | tmzt | then write a phone stack |
| 21:52.17 | [1]Captnoord | its written in asm |
| 21:52.17 | [1]Captnoord | lol |
| 21:52.26 | alexandernst | So, ... I wait? |
| 21:52.31 | tmzt | then you'll have a lot of fun |
| 21:52.38 | [1]Captnoord | dude... I only told you what I would do |
| 21:52.45 | [1]Captnoord | tmzt: yup |
| 21:52.46 | tmzt | alexandernst: you have to make the best decision for you |
| 21:52.59 | tmzt | alexandernst: what phone do you have now? |
| 21:53.07 | alexandernst | SE K800i |
| 21:53.21 | tmzt | I got raph500 because I needed cdma and wanted keyboard and linux |
| 21:53.28 | tmzt | but I've lived with wm6.1 |
| 21:53.36 | tmzt | s60? |
| 21:53.43 | tmzt | you might like n97m |
| 21:53.57 | tmzt | I would just spend all my time working on a bootloader :) |
| 21:54.08 | Captnoord | loooool |
| 21:54.15 | Captnoord | I wish I had real time...... |
| 21:54.19 | alexandernst | I red that qt can be used in n97/m |
| 21:54.27 | Captnoord | like I had when I lay in bed when I broke my leg |
| 21:54.27 | Captnoord | :P |
| 21:54.29 | tmzt | I wish I had less time and more money |
| 21:54.43 | Captnoord | hehe yup |
| 21:54.52 | tmzt | alexandernst: sure, but you can use qt on raph/rhod now |
| 21:55.05 | tmzt | qt for symbian is coming, not here yet |
| 21:55.23 | tmzt | if you like Nokia stuff I'm trying to get n900 like ui on tp |
| 21:55.32 | alexandernst | Selecting phone is driving me crazy :| ... I have been searching for weeks. |
| 21:55.46 | Captnoord | then narrow down the amount of phones |
| 21:55.47 | alexandernst | Yeah, I would like to have the n900, but as I said, is too expensive. |
| 21:55.55 | tmzt | #mer project is doing the main stuff and will be Qt based as of 2.0 |
| 21:56.22 | alexandernst | Ok, lets see. HTC Pro 2, Nokia N900, Nokia N97, N97 mini, SE Satio, Samsung B7610 |
| 21:56.36 | alexandernst | N900 and Satio are really expensive, so, blacklist them |
| 21:57.43 | tmzt | Satio? |
| 21:57.55 | tmzt | what's the samsung? |
| 21:57.57 | alexandernst | Yeah, Sony Ericsson Satio. |
| 21:58.07 | alexandernst | Uhm, wait a sec. |
| 21:58.15 | tmzt | full n97 is ok if you want s60 |
| 21:58.34 | tmzt | jason seems to think the widescreen is nice |
| 21:58.42 | tmzt | |Jason8|: |
| 21:58.49 | alexandernst | Satio: http://thesymbianblog.com/2009/05/29/se-officially-announces-the-idou-is-called-satio/ |
| 21:59.08 | alexandernst | Samsung: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_b7610_omniapro-review-378.php |
| 22:00.29 | tmzt | ah |
| 22:00.29 | tmzt | omnia pro |
| 22:00.34 | tmzt | see what I said about codenames |
| 22:00.45 | tmzt | omnia pro is pxa3xx based I think |
| 22:00.59 | tmzt | a lot of people in #xda-devs like it |
| 22:01.09 | tmzt | because it has vfp for their games |
| 22:02.46 | Captnoord | hmmm maybe wait for the Samsung Movement |
| 22:02.47 | Captnoord | :P |
| 22:02.59 | alexandernst | uhm :S ? |
| 22:03.01 | Captnoord | seems to be released next month |
| 22:03.03 | alexandernst | The samsung what? |
| 22:03.07 | tmzt | Moment |
| 22:03.41 | SneakyViper | erm |
| 22:03.46 | Captnoord | http://www.samsungcellphone.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/SamsungB3410.jpg |
| 22:04.40 | SneakyViper | omnia pro is arm |
| 22:04.50 | alexandernst | What are the specs? |
| 22:04.56 | Captnoord | dono |
| 22:04.58 | alexandernst | Ooh wait, I'll google them |
| 22:05.24 | Captnoord | or the |
| 22:05.26 | Captnoord | Samsung Houdini |
| 22:05.40 | Captnoord | but I think thats wince |
| 22:06.33 | alexandernst | Nah, I think I'll stay in between n97m or tp2 |
| 22:07.07 | tmzt | you want android? |
| 22:07.12 | tmzt | that's the goal? |
| 22:07.18 | tmzt | or s60 if you can't |
| 22:07.47 | Captnoord | mine is android or any other linux mobile distro |
| 22:07.50 | Captnoord | don't mix them |
| 22:07.51 | Captnoord | :P |
| 22:07.58 | Captnoord | as I think he didn't mentioned it |
| 22:08.04 | alexandernst | The goal is some phone like the n97m or the tp2. I would like to have a phone with that desing. And then the OS: I really don't care what OS is. I preffer android or s60, but I'll use wm too. |
| 22:08.34 | tmzt | well, with tp2 you can use wm now and android later |
| 22:08.38 | tmzt | not so with n97m |
| 22:08.57 | alexandernst | Thats good :) And when will be that "later" ? |
| 22:09.00 | alexandernst | Half year? |
| 22:09.16 | tmzt | when we get more developers on those |
| 22:09.23 | ali1234 | n900 is worth the money, i think |
| 22:09.36 | tmzt | which usually means when enough people stick around with them |
| 22:09.40 | alexandernst | I know, but I really don't want to spend that much on a phone :| |
| 22:09.41 | tmzt | ali1234: yours was free |
| 22:09.46 | ali1234 | this is true |
| 22:09.48 | Captnoord | hmm seems like the HTC Dragon isn't using the snapdragon chip |
| 22:09.48 | Captnoord | pitty |
| 22:09.55 | tmzt | hah |
| 22:09.56 | tmzt | wow |
| 22:10.01 | ali1234 | but i don't think i could use a different phone now |
| 22:10.06 | alexandernst | ali1234: You already got it? Where? From the conference? |
| 22:10.10 | tmzt | ui is that good? |
| 22:10.10 | ali1234 | yes |
| 22:10.44 | tmzt | just the one screen I saw sold me |
| 22:10.45 | ali1234 | the ui is quite good, but mainly i like that it has xterm and apt, without having to hack the phone (and lose phone functionality in the process) |
| 22:10.55 | tmzt | but I haven't played with Pre in person yet |
| 22:11.04 | tmzt | and I want some of both |
| 22:11.22 | tmzt | but landscape qwerty |
| 22:11.43 | AstainHellbring | Captnoord where you hear that cause I heard from conflipper dragon does have snapdragon |
| 22:12.02 | Captnoord | http://www.allaboutphones.nl/nieuws/3534/HTC-Dragon-krijgt-OMAPprocessor.html |
| 22:12.06 | Captnoord | its dutch |
| 22:12.14 | tmzt | OMAP? |
| 22:12.16 | Captnoord | talking about a leaked rom for the dragon |
| 22:12.27 | tmzt | unless it's omap3 |
| 22:12.32 | Captnoord | which has omap all over the place |
| 22:12.34 | tmzt | which beats qsd |
| 22:12.42 | Captnoord | OMAP 3640 |
| 22:12.49 | tmzt | people thinl 3gs has omap3 |
| 22:12.57 | tmzt | still think |
| 22:12.59 | Captnoord | I love texas instruments better than qual stuff |
| 22:13.02 | tmzt | ah |
| 22:13.04 | tmzt | yeah |
| 22:13.18 | tmzt | it's easy with gsm |
| 22:13.27 | Captnoord | http://news.softpedia.com/news/HTC-Dragon-039-s-CPU-to-Be-OMAP-124086.shtml |
| 22:13.27 | tmzt | there's few baseband choices |
| 22:13.30 | tmzt | a few |
| 22:13.37 | tmzt | ok |
| 22:13.43 | Captnoord | not only that |
| 22:13.51 | tmzt | same as n900 and Pre but newer version |
| 22:13.52 | Captnoord | its easier to get your hands on doc's |
| 22:13.53 | Captnoord | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12837&contentId=52605 |
| 22:13.58 | tmzt | yes |
| 22:14.07 | tmzt | and gles 2.0 drivers |
| 22:14.41 | Captnoord | Up to 3x performance gain over ARM11 |
| 22:14.44 | Captnoord | hmmm |
| 22:14.47 | Captnoord | maybe that changed there minds |
| 22:14.54 | AstainHellbring | tmzt heard anything more about pixi? |
| 22:15.00 | Captnoord | ARM Cortex-A8 |
| 22:15.49 | Captnoord | or |
| 22:16.03 | Captnoord | TI's Omap 4 |
| 22:16.32 | tmzt | AstainHellbring: msm7627 |
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| 22:16.41 | tmzt | not a choice |
| 22:16.46 | tmzt | omap4 has cortex |
| 22:16.47 | AstainHellbring | so is pixi gonna be a world phone then? |
| 22:16.55 | tmzt | looks like it |
| 22:17.01 | AstainHellbring | cool |
| 22:17.04 | tmzt | but might be cdma only at release |
| 22:17.14 | tmzt | don't know |
| 22:17.21 | SneakyViper | omap3 has cortex as well, cortex A8 |
| 22:17.24 | tmzt | 7x27 is new ati gpu |
| 22:17.26 | SneakyViper | omap4 is cortex A9 |
| 22:17.38 | tmzt | right |
| 22:17.38 | tmzt | ok |
| 22:17.38 | tmzt | single core? |
| 22:17.52 | SneakyViper | omap4 is multicore (at least i thought so) |
| 22:17.52 | tmzt | socs are so on right now |
| 22:17.58 | AstainHellbring | I'm looking forward to pixi when ever it is set to be released |
| 22:17.59 | Captnoord | higher throughput as I read here |
| 22:18.07 | tmzt | yeah |
| 22:18.19 | Captnoord | HD recording |
| 22:18.20 | Captnoord | hehe |
| 22:18.22 | tmzt | it will prove webos can be a mainstream os choice |
| 22:18.29 | tmzt | thatqs dsp |
| 22:18.33 | SneakyViper | snapdragon is cortex A8 as well |
| 22:18.57 | tmzt | yes |
| 22:19.09 | tmzt | but ati gpu not powervr |
| 22:19.19 | tmzt | and only qdsp |
| 22:20.52 | Captnoord | quote |
| 22:20.53 | Captnoord | The new OMAP 4 goes up against Qualcomms dual-core Snapdragon MSM8672 chipset, which runs at a higher clock speedup to 1.5 GHz. But the OMAP 4 is more efficient per megahertz, supports higher-resolution displays and higher-resolution still image capture, and is partially programmable to support hardware decoding of future video formats, Tolbert said. |
| 22:21.21 | Captnoord | as in..... Qualcomm please go ahead with your MHz showoff |
| 22:21.34 | Captnoord | lol |
| 22:21.37 | tmzt | it's correct |
| 22:21.55 | tmzt | qsd bas dsp but it's mostly used for phone, audio, gps |
| 22:22.11 | tmzt | omap has dedicated audio hardware |
| 22:22.33 | tmzt | and can use dsp for video/audio codecs |
| 22:22.34 | tmzt | not pcm |
| 22:22.34 | tmzt | or aec |
| 22:22.35 | SneakyViper | that's more important for a phone than powerfull graphics ;) |
| 22:22.45 | tmzt | (n900 does aec on cortex) |
| 22:22.52 | tmzt | ? |
| 22:23.00 | tmzt | omap4 has sgx |
| 22:23.13 | tmzt | unless qsd86 has radeon |
| 22:23.23 | tmzt | but power usage is higher there anyway |
| 22:23.42 | tmzt | dual core what? |
| 22:23.56 | Captnoord | I think more important in general is a mobile OS that works flawless... and doesn't need a uber cpu to power it.... if its used normal |
| 22:23.56 | tmzt | cortex a8? is that even smp capable? |
| 22:24.04 | tmzt | and is wm smd capable? |
| 22:25.39 | Captnoord | good nigh all |
| 22:25.50 | Captnoord | s/nigh/night |
| 22:25.57 | Captnoord | lolz |
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| 22:35.33 | rafyvitto | guys check it out, screenshots of android 2.0, http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/16/android-2-0-screenshot-walkthrough/ |
| 22:35.52 | rafyvitto | cant wait till it gets dump, so i can test it out on my raph =] |
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| 23:27.44 | tmzt | raf: just ask in #android |
| 23:28.13 | tmzt | it's not 2.0, donut doesn't even have a public version number |
| 23:28.24 | tmzt | or official internal one to my knowledge |
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