| 00:00.11 | tmzt | yeah, xip should 0x032000 or something like that |
| 00:00.15 | tmzt | ... |
| 00:01.13 | cr2 | 0x2820000 |
| 00:01.39 | cr2 | there is some table at +0x1c0 |
| 00:01.51 | cr2 | till 0x200 |
| 00:02.00 | cr2 | ends with 55 AA |
| 00:02.11 | tmzt | ok |
| 00:02.17 | cmonexaway | tmzt: what do you call partition table? |
| 00:02.19 | cr2 | partition table ? |
| 00:02.19 | cmonexaway | MBR? |
| 00:02.23 | tmzt | yes |
| 00:02.26 | cmonexaway | it is reflashed with new one if OS is flashed |
| 00:02.28 | cmonexaway | OS.nb contains it |
| 00:02.41 | tmzt | and that becomes APP? |
| 00:02.43 | cmonexaway | E9 FF FD is just magic |
| 00:02.46 | cmonexaway | APP ? |
| 00:02.47 | cr2 | MSFLSH50 is at +0x800 |
| 00:03.00 | cmonexaway | MSFLSH50 describes IMGFS info |
| 00:03.05 | cr2 | cmonexaway: yes. |
| 00:03.11 | tmzt | APPS, amss partition |
| 00:03.11 | cmonexaway | and it is always in 2nd block start |
| 00:03.16 | cmonexaway | if blovk size is 0x800 then at 0x800 |
| 00:03.16 | cr2 | cmonexaway: how big is IMGFS ? |
| 00:03.24 | cr2 | ok |
| 00:03.26 | cmonexaway | cr2: MBR and MSFLSH50 describe IMGFS size. |
| 00:03.39 | tmzt | can nbinfo dump this if we do a raw dump? |
| 00:03.45 | cr2 | hmm. is it in the htcflasher source ? |
| 00:03.47 | cmonexaway | and APPS is OS, yes |
| 00:03.57 | cmonexaway | htcflasher does not need to know about these things |
| 00:04.13 | tmzt | htcflasher/RomKitchen |
| 00:04.20 | tmzt | all in one svn |
| 00:04.21 | cmonexaway | the 3-part raw dump does not contain MBR or MSFLSH50 headers. |
| 00:04.26 | cr2 | nk.exe is at +0x1000 |
| 00:04.37 | cmonexaway | tadzio's imgfstools will have info- src was released publicly |
| 00:04.49 | cmonexaway | that is ULDR's nk.exe probably :) |
| 00:04.53 | tmzt | cdoe.google.com/p/htc-flasher |
| 00:05.00 | tmzt | code |
| 00:05.03 | cr2 | i think it's in romkitchen |
| 00:05.13 | tmzt | not nbinfo |
| 00:05.30 | tmzt | I only have .exe, but works with wine |
| 00:05.58 | tmzt | cmonexaway: is all of this 2k aligned? |
| 00:06.13 | tmzt | mbr, romhdr, etc. |
| 00:06.19 | tmzt | on msm |
| 00:06.42 | cmonexaway | yes, because block size on these devices is 0x800 (2k) |
| 00:06.54 | cmonexaway | romhdr does not care about blocks |
| 00:06.55 | tmzt | good |
| 00:06.57 | cmonexaway | the mbr etc do |
| 00:07.09 | cmonexaway | romhdr does no tneed to know anything about block size |
| 00:07.17 | cmonexaway | as it only applies to the XIP already loaded in ram |
| 00:07.28 | tmzt | yeah |
| 00:07.58 | tmzt | they will all be at start of 0x800 boundary then? |
| 00:08.14 | cr2 | i'd like to know where is the end of imgfs :) |
| 00:08.21 | tmzt | how do we get amss table |
| 00:08.44 | cr2 | but it's too late now. |
| 00:08.46 | cr2 | good night |
| 00:09.27 | cmonexaway | amss table? you mean APPS etc partition table? |
| 00:09.33 | cmonexaway | that's in radio flash |
| 00:09.43 | tmzt | yes |
| 00:09.53 | cmonexaway | i usually just search for "mibib" because it always lists mibib partition too |
| 00:09.57 | cmonexaway | and first hit in radio.nb is that table |
| 00:10.08 | cmonexaway | <tmzt> they will all be at start of 0x800 boundary then? |
| 00:10.10 | cmonexaway | romhdr won't |
| 00:10.22 | cmonexaway | MSFLSH50 is in start of second block |
| 00:10.27 | cmonexaway | MBR is at end of first block |
| 00:10.37 | cmonexaway | ULDR, XIP, IMGFS all start on block aligned addresses |
| 00:10.39 | tmzt | don't think we need romhdr, just to get imgfs length |
| 00:10.47 | cmonexaway | IMGFS additionally must start on track(?) aligned address: |
| 00:11.05 | cmonexaway | block * 0x40 |
| 00:11.09 | cmonexaway | actually i should call that a block |
| 00:11.12 | cmonexaway | and 0x800 is a page |
| 00:11.13 | tmzt | as we only want to replace tfat with yaffs2 |
| 00:11.19 | cmonexaway | block = 64 pages |
| 00:11.23 | cmonexaway | hence 1 block = 128KB |
| 00:11.26 | cmonexaway | IMGFS must be aligned on that |
| 00:11.43 | tmzt | ah |
| 00:12.00 | tmzt | how ismbr table parsed? |
| 00:12.03 | cmonexaway | the 0x800 is a page, not block, jsut tired so didn't notice earlier :P |
| 00:12.07 | cmonexaway | heh, MBR is just MBR :PO |
| 00:12.08 | cmonexaway | :P |
| 00:12.09 | tmzt | ok |
| 00:12.17 | cmonexaway | msdn has info on XIP etc part_entry types |
| 00:12.31 | tmzt | but not chs some other address |
| 00:12.41 | tmzt | linux fdisk won't read it |
| 00:12.59 | tmzt | it can read anything I thought |
| 00:13.34 | cmonexaway | fdisk sux :P |
| 00:13.35 | tmzt | head sector track? |
| 00:13.42 | cmonexaway | it's because XIP etc special part_entry types |
| 00:13.50 | cmonexaway | the rest is quite standard |
| 00:13.57 | cmonexaway | i have to sleep now |
| 00:14.02 | tmzt | no, it wouldn't care about that |
| 00:14.04 | tmzt | ok |
| 00:14.05 | cmonexaway | go look at tadzio imgfstools source it may help |
| 00:14.12 | tmzt | it's asm |
| 00:14.21 | cmonexaway | no no no |
| 00:14.25 | tmzt | no mamaichs |
| 00:14.25 | cmonexaway | it is C++ |
| 00:14.28 | tmzt | sorry |
| 00:14.30 | cmonexaway | both tadzio and mamaich are C++ |
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| 03:20.51 | mssmison | is anyone around? |
| 03:20.54 | IamSOG | so the linux for HTC have it's own package manager? |
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| 05:00.02 | tmzt | IamSOG: there are different distributions of linux that run on htc devices |
| 05:00.14 | tmzt | each with their own package manager, build systems, etc. |
| 05:49.49 | IamSOG | tmzt but I though even with differnt package manager it still run the same kernel and core? so should be able to run same softwares? |
| 05:50.23 | IamSOG | Oh wait, you mean it has different distrubutions not window managers? |
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| 07:16.31 | tmzt | IamSOG: yeah |
| 07:16.46 | tmzt | IamSOG: you can use debian, gentoo, slack(armedslack), etc. |
| 07:17.15 | tmzt | or OE, angstrom, or whatever |
| 07:17.27 | tmzt | you can build libaries and programs by hand and install them |
| 07:17.31 | tmzt | it doesn't really matter |
| 07:18.09 | IamSOG | oh hey tmzt :D |
| 07:18.30 | tmzt | been off working on graphics for my bootloader |
| 07:18.48 | tmzt | came here hoping somebody knew how to link c and asm objects |
| 07:18.53 | IamSOG | I haven't put linux on my HTC universial yet... but I have it on my laptops |
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| 07:19.34 | IamSOG | OH, I am not a programmer... been trying to find a tone generation software for linux, but they don't have it, that's why I haven't install it on my pone |
| 07:19.36 | IamSOG | phone* |
| 07:19.43 | tmzt | cool, what do you want? |
| 07:19.50 | tmzt | I mean what type |
| 07:20.04 | tmzt | try debian, it has every kind of package |
| 07:20.22 | tmzt | if you want an image to use, search for site:hackndev.com armel |
| 07:20.43 | tmzt | but I'm not sure if you have a working audio driver? |
| 07:21.11 | IamSOG | yes, I have debian on my laptop |
| 07:21.23 | tmzt | on the universal |
| 07:21.44 | IamSOG | Oic |
| 07:23.39 | tmzt | oh great, android already has what I need, legacy_bootloader |
| 07:25.33 | IamSOG | I don't know how to install debian and other disturbutions on phones though, and I think the phone funtions will be gone, so if I am gonna install, I will just install the Qtopia and Openmoko and see how things go first :D |
| 07:26.01 | tmzt | yeah, although you can possibly get shr working for phone functions |
| 07:26.25 | tmzt | there isn't a current openmoko image, and I'm not sure what kind of phone support the existing ones have |
| 07:26.52 | IamSOG | I've been wondering what sort of packages I can isntall on Universal |
| 07:27.09 | tmzt | well, with which distro? |
| 07:27.24 | tmzt | openmoko is based on OE, so anything from there for armv5 eabi should work |
| 07:27.39 | kri5 | tmzt: to link C and asm objects? |
| 07:27.40 | tmzt | or you can install debian packages if the libraries are compatible |
| 07:27.43 | tmzt | kri5: yes |
| 07:27.46 | kri5 | tmzt: generated by gcc? |
| 07:27.48 | IamSOG | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalStatus they said they got OPENMOKO QTOPIA/O.P.I.E-II GPE / x11 OPIE (G(PE)2) windows manager, this is interseting |
| 07:27.50 | tmzt | yes |
| 07:28.10 | kri5 | tmzt: you might use gcc to make the binary |
| 07:28.23 | tmzt | kri5: basically my final bootloader code will be asm, but the setup and the ui will be c |
| 07:28.36 | kri5 | hum |
| 07:28.44 | kri5 | how many binaries will you have? |
| 07:28.52 | tmzt | I just want to make sure the layout makes sense, since I don't have jtag for complex debugging |
| 07:28.57 | tmzt | one, just one raw binary |
| 07:29.04 | kri5 | ok |
| 07:29.16 | tmzt | this might be a little big to contain a zImage though, so I might have to rethink it a little |
| 07:29.20 | kri5 | you can compile your asm and c source at the same time ;) |
| 07:29.39 | tmzt | yeah, that's what a I mean by link (ld) |
| 07:30.10 | tmzt | what I'm wondering is if I need a ld script |
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| 07:32.07 | kri5 | hum don't really understand |
| 07:32.21 | tmzt | well, I don't either, that's the problem :) |
| 07:32.32 | kri5 | you have a program written in C and asm and you want to get a binary? |
| 07:32.34 | tmzt | I can't expect a normal stack to be their |
| 07:32.50 | tmzt | yes, one binary, one entry point |
| 07:32.55 | kri5 | ok |
| 07:33.19 | kri5 | so you just can compile your soft with gcc as you do with C-only sources program |
| 07:33.37 | kri5 | you give to gcc your *.c and *.S |
| 07:33.44 | tmzt | ok |
| 07:35.12 | tmzt | if I want to avoid the call stack though, can I do that? |
| 07:35.32 | tmzt | doesn't look like it |
| 07:36.02 | kri5 | ?? |
| 07:36.02 | tmzt | I would have to include everything in one function with most of it a inline asm? |
| 07:36.18 | kri5 | hum |
| 07:36.24 | tmzt | this is to replace zImage as a bootloader, not a standard linux program |
| 07:36.38 | kri5 | -fomit-frame-pointer? |
| 07:36.48 | kri5 | you'll have no stack frames |
| 07:36.48 | tmzt | ok |
| 07:37.02 | tmzt | so how do I call into and out of c, no params of courese |
| 07:37.35 | kri5 | how do you call your C code from asm and asm code from C ? |
| 07:37.42 | tmzt | yes |
| 07:38.23 | kri5 | the same way you do in C and asm |
| 07:38.25 | tmzt | this is arm by the way, if it matters |
| 07:39.02 | kri5 | you would liuke to call an asm function which have symbol name foo and a paramter bar |
| 07:39.13 | kri5 | in c you do : foo(bar); |
| 07:39.46 | kri5 | and in asm you push you're argument by following the calling convention then you do : call foo |
| 07:39.52 | kri5 | that's it |
| 07:40.01 | tmzt | ok |
| 07:40.05 | tmzt | I'll try that, thanks |
| 07:40.28 | tmzt | the ld script though, it's to avoid objcopy as I was doing before |
| 07:40.32 | kri5 | you can call asm code like if it was c ans c code like if it was asm because your functions have named symbols |
| 07:40.42 | tmzt | yeah |
| 07:40.45 | kri5 | ok |
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| 08:03.05 | tmzt | dzo: done anything with xip bootloaders? |
| 08:03.16 | tmzt | ce xip, not rom |
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| 08:08.59 | tmzt | kri5: I have another problem, seems the adr instruction is not correct as the haret version of ATAGs are being used instead of mine |
| 08:09.26 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.27 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.28 | tmzt | or it's possible they overlap, but I don't think so, even still it should stop at my ATAG_END I think |
| 08:31.20 | Abracadabra | hello |
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| 08:36.25 | dcordes-kais | hi |
| 08:36.45 | tmzt | hello |
| 08:37.28 | dcordes-kais | how are you doing? |
| 08:37.36 | tmzt | okay |
| 08:37.48 | tmzt | trying to write a bootloader and it is not going very well |
| 08:38.08 | tmzt | although I have booted the kernel with it, the ATAGs are wrong |
| 08:38.18 | tmzt | I get the ones from haret instead |
| 08:38.44 | dcordes-kais | from where is it executed? |
| 08:38.52 | tmzt | haret |
| 08:38.56 | tmzt | as zImage |
| 08:39.34 | tmzt | ~ # cat /proc/atags |
| 08:39.42 | tmzt | '~ # cat /proc/atags |
| 08:39.45 | dcordes-kais | when it works you gonna put it somewhere in the boot process? |
| 08:40.00 | tmzt | yes, as xip |
| 08:40.08 | dcordes-kais | what's xip? |
| 08:40.25 | tmzt | the ce kernel, but it's just a part of the flash that's loaded into ram and jumped to |
| 08:40.37 | tmzt | not the kernel exactly, more an archive of object files |
| 08:41.06 | dcordes-kais | ok |
| 08:41.54 | dcordes-kais | in which part of the boot chain is it loaded? |
| 08:42.20 | dcordes-kais | the xip |
| 08:42.29 | tmzt | spl loads it |
| 08:44.51 | dcordes-kais | ok. how will xip be rplaced by zimage? will we just overwrite? what about size of zimage vs xip? will spl accept zimage? |
| 08:44.58 | dcordes-kais | spl/hardspl |
| 08:45.24 | tmzt | we can set the size |
| 08:45.32 | dcordes-kais | in the spl? |
| 08:45.40 | tmzt | it's not enough to replace xip with zImage, that's what the bootloader is for |
| 08:45.45 | tmzt | no, it the MBR |
| 08:46.39 | dcordes-kais | ok I thought the zimage is bootloader, got that wrong |
| 08:46.59 | tmzt | well, I'm replacing zImage in haret with the bootloader |
| 08:47.11 | tmzt | for testing |
| 08:47.23 | tmzt | same concept, something loads and executes it |
| 08:47.39 | dcordes-kais | ah ok. so what will be the complete bootchain including your loader? |
| 09:04.03 | dcordes-kais | tmzt do you know where I can find information on the normal wince bootchain? I searched xda wiki but can't find what I'm looking for |
| 09:04.29 | tmzt | not really, I had to ask a number of questions to ce devs recently |
| 09:04.35 | tmzt | there is probably some in msdn |
| 09:05.52 | dcordes-kais | cr2 once told me the order in which the loaders are executed |
| 09:06.29 | dcordes-kais | oesmbl etc. |
| 09:06.29 | tmzt | qcsbl -> oemsbl -> appsbl (spl) I think |
| 09:06.52 | dcordes-kais | ok |
| 09:16.14 | dcordes-kais | dream_kill zImage worked for you? |
| 09:17.36 | tmzt | what was dream_kill working on? |
| 09:20.24 | par | tmzt were you and cr trying to work a layout in nand to dual boot? |
| 09:20.34 | tmzt | yes |
| 09:20.40 | tmzt | not dual boot right now though |
| 09:21.00 | tmzt | that might come later if we can figure out how to do it |
| 09:21.06 | par | rad |
| 09:21.22 | tmzt | maybe loading xip.bin from a file would work, but then we would need a mtd/filesystem implementation |
| 09:24.17 | dcordes-kais | who needs dualboot?! |
| 09:24.24 | dcordes-kais | :p |
| 09:24.38 | tmzt | linux kais/raph |
| 09:25.00 | tmzt | not yet of course, but with shr should be usable as a phone when these rpc's are worked out |
| 09:25.13 | tmzt | have you tried that gentoo image? |
| 09:25.21 | tmzt | or have you build a current shr with oe |
| 09:25.48 | dcordes-kais | I only just reset and updated oe yesterday |
| 09:26.35 | dcordes-kais | never tried to shr but it will be interesting. @i can try it on kovsky |
| 09:27.02 | tmzt | do you have the X patch and raw ts on kov? |
| 09:27.03 | dcordes-kais | s/shr/build shr/ |
| 09:27.26 | dcordes-kais | didn't try either yet |
| 09:27.31 | tmzt | http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/embedded/images |
| 09:28.28 | dcordes-kais | i can try in the CET evening while building new initrd |
| 09:29.02 | dcordes-kais | dream_kill wanted the zimage for some nand tryout |
| 09:29.30 | tmzt | dream_kill: you here? |
| 09:34.58 | dcordes-kais | tmzt we don't have the ts fixes in git, do we? |
| 09:35.15 | tmzt | no, since I didn't CONFIG them |
| 09:35.28 | tmzt | the patch is on my site: people.openezx.org/tmzt/ |
| 09:35.46 | tmzt | but that's for vogue-ts I think, whatever is used on raph |
| 09:36.18 | IamSOG | hey tmzt do you know about how much packages (softwares) they have for HTC phones? |
| 09:36.37 | tmzt | no, I still don't understand you question |
| 09:36.49 | dcordes-kais | for vogue-ts? that is in htc-vogue tree no. raph use msm-ts driver |
| 09:37.22 | dcordes-kais | IamSOG who are they and what sort of packages do you mean? |
| 09:37.54 | tmzt | yeah, msm-ts |
| 09:40.05 | dcordes-kais | so it works in htc-msm-2.6.27 ? |
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| 09:40.22 | tmzt | yes |
| 09:40.27 | tmzt | X works fine |
| 09:40.28 | dcordes-kais | nice |
| 09:40.42 | dcordes-kais | hello rob_w |
| 09:40.52 | IamSOG | dcordes-kais I mean linux packages for HTC phones :o because I have Universal been wondering if it comes with package managment softwares like apt or Synaptic |
| 09:41.18 | tmzt | IamSOG: debian does (apt), OE/angstrom/openmoko has ipkg/opkg |
| 09:41.34 | rob_w | moin |
| 09:41.34 | dcordes-kais | depending what you use. you can use any linux distro with suitable arm binaries. |
| 09:41.50 | IamSOG | I see... |
| 09:45.50 | dcordes-kais | rob_w how's business? |
| 09:46.28 | rob_w | quite ok |
| 09:46.34 | rob_w | and yourself ? |
| 09:47.03 | par | hey rob_w ltns whats shakin' |
| 09:47.39 | rob_w | ltns ? |
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| 09:52.10 | rob_w | par: what is ltns ?? |
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| 10:02.38 | par | long time no see :) |
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| 10:11.30 | dcordes-kais | rob_w my business? also ok |
| 10:11.48 | rob_w | par: ah yeah |
| 10:12.29 | rob_w | greps through is static brain for par .. "no such file or person" arrrgh too much beer .. but nice to speak to you .. did we work on the blueangel back then ? |
| 10:13.16 | par | you did mostly, i mostly cheered you on :) |
| 10:14.02 | par | do you still have one? |
| 10:14.10 | par | what htc are you sportin' these days |
| 10:15.03 | rob_w | no blueangel anymore .. i acutally got no htc ... got me a iphone lately but i try to follow the guys here |
| 10:17.18 | par | cool |
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| 11:19.40 | par | the ba is still runnin like a top mostly.. i don't think we'll see many more improvements for it at all. |
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| 15:57.18 | toer | can someone of you gurus tell me why this happens http://privatepaste.com/461Bclai6c |
| 16:09.17 | tmzt | what do you mean? |
| 16:09.36 | tmzt | oh, wow |
| 16:09.40 | tmzt | no |
| 16:09.48 | tmzt | it should be 5200 though |
| 16:16.00 | toer | yeah i know but im having some problems with when i change some things either in defconfig og .config it changes to a vaule from idontknowwhere amss version being one of them cause i cant get head booting with CONFIG_MSM_ONCRPCROUTER=y |
| 16:16.22 | tmzt | I usually just copy the defconfig, but I can't see how that is possible |
| 16:16.28 | tmzt | unless it's because of WINCE |
| 16:16.34 | tmzt | yeah, that's probably it |
| 16:16.39 | tmzt | grep both of those for WINCE |
| 16:16.46 | toer | same happends if i edit .config |
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| 17:45.51 | tmzt | stefan_schmidt: hey, do you have any information on omnia/i780 that isn't on laf0rge's post? |
| 17:46.10 | stefan_schmidt | tmzt: no |
| 17:46.16 | tmzt | we have a kernel running on i780 but there is nothing on usb host |
| 17:46.18 | tmzt | ok |
| 17:46.29 | stefan_schmidt | tmzt: perhaps later this month. I everything goes well an omnia is on the way to me |
| 17:46.48 | tmzt | a starting address to look for shared memory interface would be helpful |
| 17:46.49 | stefan_schmidt | tmzt: hmm, pxa_udc should work with pxa3xx |
| 17:46.54 | tmzt | host |
| 17:46.59 | tmzt | and it does I think |
| 17:47.04 | tmzt | pxa-ohci |
| 17:47.06 | stefan_schmidt | tmzt: ah! |
| 17:47.17 | stefan_schmidt | tmzt: Not sure what should be there. BT? |
| 17:47.20 | tmzt | I'm just wondering what the shared memory comments were based on |
| 17:47.27 | tmzt | hoping modem |
| 17:48.04 | tmzt | there's no reason to believe that just because msm7x00 use a shared memory interface the msm6xxx does, in fact I can't think of an example of that |
| 17:48.04 | stefan_schmidt | tmzt: nope, pretty sure that there is an extra dual port ram chip inside |
| 17:48.12 | stefan_schmidt | No idea about the address so far. |
| 17:48.17 | stefan_schmidt | At least me this is |
| 17:48.38 | stefan_schmidt | tmzt: Search for some manuals |
| 17:48.40 | stefan_schmidt | ... |
| 17:48.57 | tmzt | like? |
| 17:49.18 | stefan_schmidt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.47 | tmzt | that would show a wide memory bus between pxa and msm? |
| 17:50.18 | stefan_schmidt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.35 | tmzt | ok, I'll ask xsascha about it |
| 17:50.45 | stefan_schmidt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.04 | stefan_schmidt | tmzt: You guys already working on it? |
| 17:51.22 | tmzt | yeah, but only to get a basic kernel working split from zylonite |
| 17:51.30 | tmzt | which xsacha has done |
| 17:51.40 | tmzt | it's in gitourious host or something like that |
| 17:52.39 | stefan_schmidt | tmzt: ok, great. If mine arrives I come oin touch |
| 17:55.57 | stefan_schmidt | tmzt: no machine db entry for i900 so far? |
| 17:56.20 | tmzt | not sure what he called it |
| 17:56.39 | tmzt | are you checking on arm.linux.org.uk? |
| 17:57.42 | stefan_schmidt | tmzt: yes. Neither i900 or omnia gives a amatch |
| 17:59.48 | tmzt | xsacha is not on right now, I will ask when he is |
| 18:02.20 | stefan_schmidt | tmzt: great, thanks |
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| 18:29.04 | idkfa | hi everyone. pls tell me, how can i find out addresses at which haret loads kernel, initrd and stuff? haretlog.txt? |
| 18:30.05 | tmzt | BASERAM or whatever it's called |
| 18:30.15 | tmzt | look in the haret source, what are you working on? |
| 18:31.00 | idkfa | i'm trying at least to boot kernel on hx2490b machine |
| 18:32.18 | idkfa | tmzt: you mean RAMADDR in harelog.txt? |
| 18:32.28 | tmzt | yes |
| 18:32.41 | tmzt | hx2490b is pxa? |
| 18:33.17 | idkfa | yep. it has pxa270 cpu |
| 18:34.01 | tmzt | okay, you are using hh20 or magician (from upstream) as a base? |
| 18:34.21 | tmzt | if you have asic3 you probably still need to use hh20 |
| 18:34.31 | tmzt | but getting a pxa kernel booting should be simple |
| 18:36.08 | idkfa | tmzt: it's a bit cryptic for me (yet :-) ). anyway, self-compiled kernel (as well as couple of pre-built from different sources) won't boot. |
| 18:37.02 | idkfa | i got some success with one pretty old (2.6.15 afaik), built for hx2410. |
| 18:37.45 | idkfa | but it stops right after words `Freeing 80k...' |
| 18:38.41 | tmzt | freeing? how far does it get into the kernel boot process |
| 18:38.49 | tmzt | because that sounds like freeing init memory |
| 18:40.27 | idkfa | i can tell when i manage to boot kernel. for some reason it don't always boot first time |
| 18:41.03 | tmzt | I wouldn't go that old |
| 18:41.11 | tmzt | do you have source for that hx2410 kernel? |
| 18:41.30 | tmzt | if you do, check if it has asic3_mmc registered |
| 18:42.09 | idkfa | the last line on console is 'Freeing init memory: 80K' |
| 18:42.29 | idkfa | i don't have sources for that kernel. only zImage. |
| 18:42.45 | tmzt | ok, what is your cmdline? |
| 18:43.05 | tmzt | but it actually stops there, not panics later? |
| 18:43.27 | idkfa | cmdline is `root=/dev/ram0 rw ramdisk_size=12288 keepinitrd init=/linuxrc cachepolicy=writeback console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8' |
| 18:43.54 | tmzt | and initrd? |
| 18:43.59 | idkfa | and kernel just stops. i guess its not hanging/panicking 'cos some form of PM works |
| 18:44.08 | tmzt | PM? |
| 18:44.21 | idkfa | yes. it turns off display after some time |
| 18:44.53 | tmzt | ok |
| 18:45.08 | tmzt | what initrd are you using? |
| 18:45.13 | idkfa | there is an initrd image. but the strange thing is that its an ext2 fs image, not cpio archive |
| 18:45.24 | tmzt | yeah, that's okay |
| 18:45.28 | idkfa | that image came with kernel image |
| 18:45.33 | tmzt | it's probably trying to go somewhere else |
| 18:45.46 | tmzt | mount something else and failing but not panicing |
| 18:45.55 | tmzt | came with or built in? |
| 18:46.36 | idkfa | came. it was on that ancient site along with zImage |
| 18:47.20 | tmzt | try without it, just cmdline "console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8" |
| 18:47.27 | tmzt | see if it gets to root panic |
| 18:47.56 | idkfa | i think, kernel can hang when doing something with mmc. at least there are messages about mmsblk0. it can't read sector 0 |
| 18:47.58 | tmzt | you can also check handhelds.org source cvs and see if it's in the current or hh15 or whatever tree |
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| 18:48.12 | tmzt | are you trying to mount sd card as root? |
| 18:48.15 | tmzt | partition |
| 18:48.26 | tmzt | if so you need rootdelay=5 or so |
| 18:49.05 | idkfa | no. there is ext2 fs as second partition, but it doesn't used for now |
| 18:51.13 | idkfa | aha. i was right. after some timeout (i didn't wait long enough :-) ) another series of messages about block 0 on mmcblk0 |
| 18:51.16 | idkfa | came |
| 18:52.48 | idkfa | btw, you mentioned -hh{15,20} branch of kernel? aren't those changes merged into mainstream kernel? |
| 18:52.58 | tmzt | no |
| 18:53.08 | idkfa | why that? |
| 18:53.12 | tmzt | they are too different to be merged |
| 18:53.48 | tmzt | if you want to look at a clean upstream implemenation look at magician.c |
| 18:54.28 | tmzt | upstreamed |
| 18:55.16 | idkfa | ok. i'll try this :-) |
| 18:55.36 | pH5_ | btw, I've just sent asic3 mmc support patches to lkml. |
| 18:56.28 | stefan_schmidt | waves pH5_ |
| 18:56.35 | tmzt | pH5_: yay! |
| 18:56.42 | idkfa | ok. some progress here. w/o console stuff i got busybox comman line. hurray! |
| 18:56.49 | tmzt | total htc support is comming |
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| 18:57.27 | idkfa | htc is great, but mobody cares about older devices :-( |
| 18:57.29 | tmzt | pH5_: do you know of this hx2410? |
| 18:58.21 | idkfa | btw kernel, which i got, is 2.6.13-rc5-mm1. it must be 1,5-2 years old |
| 18:59.33 | pH5_ | waves back |
| 18:59.35 | pH5_ | tmzt: never seen one.. |
| 19:00.04 | pH5_ | idkfa: 2.6.13-rc5 was released 2005 :) |
| 19:00.17 | idkfa | jeees :-) |
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| 19:00.36 | stefan_schmidt | pH5_: Will you be at LinuxTag? |
| 19:03.36 | idkfa | ok. thats it for today. thanks for help, everyone. |
| 19:04.05 | idkfa | bye |
| 19:04.44 | pH5_ | stefan_schmidt: yes! |
| 19:05.34 | stefan_schmidt | pH5_: great. /me will be there all four days. We should have a table for open phone hacking in the development corner according to Nils |
| 19:05.41 | stefan_schmidt | pH5_: Feel free to join |
| 19:08.26 | pH5_ | oh great, looking forward to that |
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| 19:10.57 | stefan_schmidt | tmzt: btw, about infos for the Omnia: http://gnufiish.org/trac/wiki/Samsung_Omnia |
| 19:11.19 | stefan_schmidt | tmzt: Totally forgotten about this one |
| 19:11.51 | dcordes | somebody must wear the htc-linux tux t-shirt at the open phone hacking table :) |
| 19:12.43 | pH5_ | dcordes: there's a htc-linux shirt? |
| 19:12.53 | tmzt | oh, it has external usb chip |
| 19:13.04 | tmzt | http://www.smsc.com/main/catalog/usb331x.html |
| 19:13.09 | tmzt | did not know that |
| 19:13.28 | tmzt | wonder if i780 does, haven't loked at anything about it yet |
| 19:15.49 | dcordes | pH5_, yes |
| 19:16.38 | dcordes | pH5_, http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2917/htclinuxshirt.png |
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| 19:20.13 | stefan_schmidt | has seen a full linux running on an i780. Sadly it was a samsung internal research project. |
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| 19:22.25 | tmzt | yeah, I've heard of it |
| 19:22.29 | sxe | hi |
| 19:22.46 | tmzt | would love to know the modem interface but we will find it ourselves |
| 19:23.27 | tmzt | actually, I was researching this originally because I was considering a version of it but it turns out that uses msm7xxx chip instead of pxa |
| 19:27.34 | dcordes | is it htc manufactured? |
| 19:27.43 | tmzt | don't think so |
| 19:27.54 | tmzt | Samsung |
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| 20:28.15 | tcccp | How does Linux treat gpio-pins...they're found in /sys nowadays? |
| 20:28.47 | tmzt | gpio_class if you enable it |
| 20:36.38 | tcccp | tmzt: It's more like accessing gpio pins... |
| 20:36.47 | tcccp | tmzt: I'm new to this when it comes to linux. |
| 20:36.54 | tcccp | With OpenBSD I use cpioctl |
| 20:36.55 | tmzt | what are you trying to do? |
| 20:37.03 | tcccp | Playing around with gpio-pins ;-) |
| 20:37.17 | tmzt | I mean you can enable a device to expose them to sysfs, if it's not gpio_class it's something else |
| 20:37.27 | tmzt | then you can echo 0 or 1 into them |
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| 20:37.28 | tcccp | ok then...how does linux do this? |
| 20:37.45 | tmzt | in the kernel? |
| 20:38.06 | tcccp | more like /proc or /sys |
| 20:38.22 | tmzt | right, that's what I said, it would put them into /sys |
| 20:38.27 | tcccp | ok :) |
| 20:39.00 | tcccp | hmm |
| 20:39.14 | tcccp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.09 | tmzt | /sys/class/gpio/ |
| 20:40.21 | tcccp | Ah, ok, not the right drivers :) |
| 20:40.28 | tcccp | (un)export I guess? |
| 20:41.05 | tmzt | not sure, yes the export thing sounds right |
| 20:41.09 | tcccp | Okay :) |
| 20:41.35 | tcccp | Is there one...let me say..."kickass howto" on programming device drivers with linux? |
| 20:41.41 | tcccp | I have only stuff for OpenVMS here |
| 20:42.02 | tcccp | I guess OpenVMS is somehow different ;-) |
| 20:42.10 | tmzt | LDD3 |
| 20:42.29 | tmzt | you can also just read Documentation/* and different drivers |
| 20:43.02 | tcccp | Well yes but...therefore I would need the specs for the chips?! |
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| 20:44.28 | tmzt | what chips? |
| 20:44.37 | tmzt | most of them have documentation, some don't like msm |
| 20:45.03 | tcccp | Erm, cancel that question. I think the LDD3 woill be sufficient |
| 20:45.54 | tcccp | hmmm |
| 20:46.19 | tmzt | is it online? |
| 20:46.48 | tcccp | http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/ |
| 20:47.19 | tcccp | http://www.makelinux.net/ldd3/ |
| 20:47.29 | tcccp | I'm kinda frustrated |
| 20:47.45 | tcccp | The gcc will compile stuff that wouldn't compile in centuries on VMS with the HP C Compiler |
| 20:48.01 | tcccp | Although I know I'm fully ANSI compliant ;-) |
| 20:48.39 | tmzt | have worked with vax some, not openvms though |
| 20:48.45 | tcccp | ultrix? |
| 20:48.50 | tmzt | ceratainly not kernel |
| 20:48.52 | tcccp | hehe :) |
| 20:48.59 | tmzt | no, whatever the old os was |
| 20:49.02 | tcccp | It is excessively commented :) |
| 20:49.02 | tmzt | maybe it was openvms |
| 20:49.04 | tcccp | vaxeln? |
| 20:49.15 | tmzt | only as a user so I can't really say |
| 20:49.21 | tcccp | telnet router.heybunch.de |
| 20:49.24 | tcccp | user: guest |
| 20:49.26 | tcccp | pass: stranger 17 |
| 20:49.30 | tcccp | ermm stranger17 |
| 20:49.40 | tcccp | This would be OpenVMS 8.3 on an alpha system |
| 20:50.26 | tmzt | looks familiar |
| 20:50.45 | tcccp | Enjoy ;) |
| 20:51.00 | tcccp | I'll boot MOTHER:: or FATHER:: into the cluster some day. MCP:: is "always on" |
| 20:51.05 | tmzt | pascal? |
| 20:51.14 | tcccp | is installed and licensed |
| 20:51.18 | tcccp | knock yourself off :) |
| 20:51.34 | tmzt | thanks |
| 20:51.51 | tcccp | If you come to visit regularly you can have an own account on all machines |
| 20:51.55 | tmzt | have to remember some things |
| 20:52.03 | tcccp | I would have vms manuals if you like |
| 20:52.19 | tmzt | I mean pascal, it's been quite a while |
| 20:52.38 | tcccp | I have been coding Object Pascal aka Delphi aeons ago |
| 20:52.39 | tmzt | I do have some code I could type in but it's not here |
| 20:53.12 | tcccp | http://cmkr.nl/~hey/downloads/documents/vms/vms_manual.pdf |
| 20:53.23 | tcccp | The machine won't go ;-) |
| 20:53.56 | tcccp | I thinks it's some kind of...service to today's nerds/geeks to have a VMS online they can use to the oldschool operating system |
| 20:53.59 | tcccp | s |
| 20:54.11 | tcccp | to see the oldschool... |
| 20:54.20 | tmzt | are you putting together a cts or whatever was before unix? |
| 20:54.40 | tcccp | Nope, I'm well known to the openvms scene in the internet |
| 20:54.57 | tcccp | I simply love OpenVMS |
| 20:54.59 | tmzt | ok, very cool though, didn't even know there was one |
| 20:55.17 | tcccp | The first VMS system (VMS, not OpenVMS at this time) was introduced in 1976 |
| 20:55.28 | tcccp | So it's not as old as the timestamps but...close ;-) |
| 20:55.44 | FuzzyPolarBear | mmm... VMS... my favourite OS |
| 20:55.59 | FuzzyPolarBear | I miss my old VAXen... |
| 20:56.06 | tcccp | I have some |
| 20:56.31 | FuzzyPolarBear | :) |
| 20:56.35 | tcccp | FuzzyPolarBear: telnet://guest:stranger17@router.heybunch.de |
| 20:56.44 | tcccp | This is an alpha but I have VAXen as well |
| 20:56.44 | FuzzyPolarBear | chuckles |
| 20:56.59 | tcccp | If you have IPv6: mcp.vms.hey-ix.net |
| 20:57.04 | FuzzyPolarBear | I would, but I'm on my mobile phone just now... |
| 20:57.17 | tcccp | Be my guest when it's more convenient |
| 20:57.35 | tcccp | And if you come to be there more often, I could give you an own account, too |
| 20:57.38 | FuzzyPolarBear | smiles, I may do sometime :) |
| 20:57.45 | tcccp | Again, be my guest |
| 20:57.53 | tcccp | I should have all main programming languages installed... |
| 20:58.00 | tcccp | oops, except COBOL |
| 20:58.14 | FuzzyPolarBear | though I know a few people running VMS still... I just miss my own I had ;) |
| 20:58.19 | tmzt | FuzzyPolarBear: what phone? |
| 20:58.24 | FuzzyPolarBear | I used to code in DIBOL |
| 20:58.30 | FuzzyPolarBear | QTEK 9000 |
| 20:58.31 | tcccp | FuzzyPolarBear: c'mon, you're from sweden |
| 20:58.35 | tmzt | wizard? |
| 20:58.36 | FuzzyPolarBear | :) |
| 20:58.38 | tmzt | in ce? |
| 20:58.41 | FuzzyPolarBear | yup |
| 20:58.43 | tcccp | scandinavia and the netherlands have plenty of them |
| 20:58.50 | tmzt | use putty, it should work fine |
| 20:58.52 | FuzzyPolarBear | running PocketPuTTY |
| 20:58.57 | tcccp | uuh, pocketputty ;) |
| 20:59.08 | FuzzyPolarBear | I'm already using it though to chat here ;p |
| 20:59.14 | tcccp | hehe :) |
| 20:59.14 | tmzt | gives you something to do when not home |
| 20:59.15 | FuzzyPolarBear | chuckles |
| 20:59.19 | tcccp | brb, restroom |
| 20:59.24 | tmzt | I hear it has vt100 support |
| 21:00.05 | FuzzyPolarBear | is curled up in bed |
| 21:00.07 | FuzzyPolarBear | :) |
| 21:00.31 | tmzt | tcccp: I do have one question for you though, do you know where to get a white vt420? |
| 21:01.09 | FuzzyPolarBear | white text... hmm... nope, I only ever had amber 420s and green 320s |
| 21:01.27 | tcccp | tmzt: erm... |
| 21:01.28 | tmzt | I used one once and I really want one |
| 21:01.38 | FuzzyPolarBear | think I've an amber 240 someplace too... |
| 21:01.47 | tcccp | tmzt: Well...there are one or two firms in Germany I could ask |
| 21:01.48 | FuzzyPolarBear | :) |
| 21:01.56 | tcccp | I unfortunately missed the DECUS meeting today |
| 21:01.58 | FuzzyPolarBear | nods, good luck :) |
| 21:02.02 | tmzt | going to be expensive I guess |
| 21:02.04 | tcccp | no |
| 21:02.12 | tcccp | I use to get my gear for free |
| 21:02.34 | tcccp | From VAXstation 3100/M38 to AlphaServer 2100, the only thin I pay is Gas and time for the pickup |
| 21:02.47 | tmzt | fun, how do those concentrators work, do they support 10baseT? |
| 21:02.49 | FuzzyPolarBear | (and I'm running PuTTY here as I've still yet to get a single flavour of linux to work properly on this phone...) |
| 21:03.04 | tcccp | tmzt: I don't work with concentrators as I don't have fibrechannel here |
| 21:03.21 | tcccp | I have self soldered console cables, decnet, ipv4 and ipv6 here on my machines |
| 21:03.26 | tmzt | FuzzyPolarBear: #linwizard is working pretty well, even phone/gsm |
| 21:03.27 | FuzzyPolarBear | has fibrechannel for his SAN here... |
| 21:03.35 | FuzzyPolarBear | oh? |
| 21:03.35 | tmzt | tcccp: ah, I mean the terminal ones |
| 21:03.47 | tcccp | tmzt: I use minicom ;-) |
| 21:04.09 | tcccp | ttyS0 is the AlphaServer 300 |
| 21:04.17 | tcccp | ttyUSB0 is the VAXstation 3100 Model 30 |
| 21:04.28 | tmzt | I'd always wondered if it was possible to telnet out from it to anywhere but never tried it on the network I was on |
| 21:04.33 | FuzzyPolarBear | had a microvax II :) |
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| 21:04.39 | tcccp | tmzt: SET HOST/TELNET |
| 21:04.46 | tmzt | yeah, I remember now |
| 21:04.50 | tcccp | FuzzyPolarBear: Sounds fun to me :) |
| 21:04.54 | FuzzyPolarBear | tmzt: linwizard... |
| 21:04.55 | tmzt | what about gateway? |
| 21:04.57 | FuzzyPolarBear | hmm |
| 21:05.02 | tcccp | tmzt: IPv4? |
| 21:05.06 | tmzt | yes |
| 21:05.15 | tcccp | no biggie? |
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| 21:05.31 | TCPVMS | If IRC works, so does telnet |
| 21:05.48 | tcccp | EPIC/SERVER=your.irc.server.tld/NICK=yournickname |
| 21:06.17 | tmzt | sorry? I don't mean from the vax itself, I mean from the terminal access concentrators, the ones you plug the vt's into |
| 21:06.34 | FuzzyPolarBear | guesses that's the same linwizard as on sourceforge? |
| 21:06.35 | tmzt | yeah I know ip works, I always would telnet or even ftp files |
| 21:06.36 | tcccp | tmzt: It's my fileserver/pbx I plugged the terminal cables in |
| 21:06.51 | tmzt | FuzzyPolarBear: yes, but the builds are a little out of date, git is newer |
| 21:06.59 | FuzzyPolarBear | thanks |
| 21:07.05 | FuzzyPolarBear | I'll look into it :) |
| 21:07.42 | FuzzyPolarBear | though this phone's the Universal, not Wizard... |
| 21:08.01 | tmzt | different kernel then |
| 21:08.09 | tcccp | apropos FTP |
| 21:08.09 | FuzzyPolarBear | full 640x480 screen, flippable too :) |
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| 21:08.16 | tcccp | brb |
| 21:08.23 | tmzt | cr2: hey |
| 21:19.07 | tcccp | hm |
| 21:19.20 | cr2 | tmzt: i780 has the same ulpi chip as raph ? |
| 21:19.27 | cr2 | i'm reading the log |
| 21:19.39 | tmzt | no idea, but that's about omnia anyway |
| 21:19.51 | tmzt | I think it's just pxa-ohci/udc but it could be external |
| 21:19.58 | cr2 | ok |
| 21:20.19 | cr2 | shared mem for pxa<->msm_phone is used on athena |
| 21:20.38 | tmzt | oh, ok |
| 21:20.42 | cr2 | with real gpio hw irqs for DATA* channels |
| 21:20.57 | cr2 | not just soft irqs as on rap |
| 21:21.26 | cr2 | it's even documented. to a good extent |
| 21:22.00 | tmzt | it could be just that, I guess bootloader would tell you? |
| 21:22.04 | tmzt | I don't have it |
| 21:22.11 | cr2 | LinuxTag |
| 21:22.19 | tmzt | true, when is that? |
| 21:22.34 | cr2 | yes, the first thing on a phone is to dump the nk.exe & co. and 'dump mmu' |
| 21:22.53 | cr2 | sorry. a wrong cut'n'paste |
| 21:22.56 | cr2 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=AthenaDPRAM |
| 21:23.10 | tmzt | if xsacha comes in here we can do that |
| 21:23.24 | tmzt | yeah, they were going to meet there and work on this or something |
| 21:23.58 | cr2 | they are from Berlin, so it's easy for them. |
| 21:24.52 | cr2 | hmm. maybe i should check umts data on athena |
| 21:25.06 | tmzt | can pm me a patch for ATAG_MTD, I will not be mounting anything read write |
| 21:25.10 | cr2 | the idea just came into my mind ;) |
| 21:25.26 | cr2 | it's a haret patch |
| 21:25.31 | tmzt | right |
| 21:25.45 | cr2 | hmm. need to attach the usb drive |
| 21:25.59 | tmzt | my bootloader is a little broken, ATAGs from haret leak through somehow |
| 21:26.26 | tmzt | _start: orr r0, r0, #0 ldr r1, machtype |
| 21:26.27 | tmzt | @ use the gas psuedo instead ldr r2, data adr r2, data b linux |
| 21:26.31 | tmzt | .. |
| 21:26.39 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.57 | tmzt | need to reboot, will be back here |
| 21:26.58 | cr2 | i need to fix the nand partition table in wiki |
| 21:27.19 | cr2 | is it possible to mark the row/col with some color in mediawiki ? |
| 21:29.49 | cr2 | tmzt: hm. a big patch because of the mtypes |
| 21:30.45 | cr2 | 137818 4. Jun 23:30 /tmp/diff.nand |
| 21:31.20 | cr2 | Kevin2: are you somewhere around ? |
| 21:32.47 | cr2 | tmzt: i can post the src/linboot.cpp patch only |
| 21:34.28 | tmzt | ok |
| 21:34.40 | tmzt | that should work |
| 21:43.54 | tmzt | ok, saved |
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| 21:51.15 | tcccp | hehe |
| 21:51.27 | tcccp | I had "Linux Device Drivers" second edition on my fileserver |
| 21:51.43 | tcccp | 2.4 Kernel...how ancient |
| 21:55.30 | tmzt | cool |
| 21:56.01 | tmzt | I have indide the kernel or something like that |
| 21:56.22 | tmzt | goes through core kernel source |
| 21:56.35 | tcccp | O'Reilly - Understanding The Linux Kernel.pdf |
| 21:56.44 | tcccp | I should monitor more often what people upload |
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| 22:05.38 | cr2 | tmzt: got the msg ? |
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| 23:09.19 | tmzt | cr2: yes |
| 23:16.20 | cr2 | ok, then good night :) |
