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00:27.38maejrep[w]AstainEEE: working so much lately, haven't had a chance to play :/
00:31.19AstainEEEahh ok
00:31.28AstainEEEon raph800 getting odd issue
00:32.54AstainEEEpc_clk_enable something about ena
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01:22.07maejrepAstainEEE: that's cause some of the clocks we don't know how to enable yet
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01:52.28power_usrAstainEEE you are testing out raph800?
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02:27.27AstainEEEyes power_usr
02:27.37AstainEEEahh maejrep
02:27.55AstainEEEthe big issue I have is it seems to no longer mount sd
02:48.34power_usrAstainEEE: are you looking primarily at Android or just Linux on the RAPH800?  How are things progressing?  I'm looking forward to a new build being released
02:49.12AstainEEEeither
02:49.22power_usryou do dev work too?
02:49.26AstainEEEprogress is good
02:49.51AstainEEEI do what I can to help but not much direct dev from me... just dont know howtodo it much yet
02:50.12power_usrok cool thx
02:50.28power_usrThere have been murmurs that data now works
02:50.29AstainEEEsure
02:50.39power_usris it really the case?
02:50.48AstainEEEkinda tmzt tested it and it worked but had issues but he had raph500
02:51.05AstainEEEI need to try this on a fresh sd
02:51.06power_usroh ok.  so you have seen it on raph800
02:51.37power_usrhaven't
02:51.38AstainEEEnot yet either my sd is having issues or my kernel
02:51.44AstainEEEbut colors look great
02:51.49power_usrcool cool
02:52.06power_usrI downloaded a random build link with fixed colors, but it would crash once the final android screen would load
02:52.22power_usri.e. the flashing android logo was shown, but right before main screen, phone rebooted
02:53.16AstainEEEah hmm one from forum?
02:53.42power_usryeah
02:53.49power_usrfrom IRC
02:53.53power_usrmaybe 4 days ago two links were posted
02:53.58power_usrmaybe my maejrep
02:54.03power_usronce didn't work at all
02:54.10power_usrone worked but had that crashing problem
02:54.40power_usrso now i'm just waiting for a build to be released on connect-utb
02:56.00AstainEEEyah on the kernel I've got now I am getting mmc timeouts
02:56.40power_usrdoes any of them main devs own a raph800?
02:57.53AstainEEEmaejrep, does
02:58.18maejrepAstainEEE: I don't think anything changed with mmc
02:59.09AstainEEEok must be something with my card then
02:59.21power_usri use my raph800 on SERO here in the US.  it's great.  too bad Sprint doesn't have an android phone
02:59.23AstainEEEwill try a nice simple fresh formatted 1gb sd
02:59.37AstainEEEgive it time power_usr they will soonish
02:59.51power_usryup
03:00.09maejrepAstainEEE: whats in your default.txt
03:00.15power_usrbut AstainEEE, there might be something with mcc, because the latest connect-utb build gives me some errors in mounting files
03:00.33maejreppower_usr: the latest on connect-utb doesn't have any of the recent changes
03:00.37AstainEEEpower_usr, mines built right fresh off the git
03:00.43power_usroh ok
03:00.44maejrepi think the latest on connect-utb is from mid-feb
03:00.47AstainEEEone sec maejrep
03:00.47power_usryup
03:00.49power_usrfeb 19th
03:02.03maejrepAstainEEE: and what initrd are you using?
03:02.58AstainEEEi believe its one from connect-utb
03:03.57AstainEEEset MTYPE 1910
03:03.57AstainEEEset KERNEL zImage
03:03.57AstainEEEset INITRD root.cpiogz
03:03.57AstainEEEset RAMADDR 0x10000000
03:03.57AstainEEEset cmdline "root=/dev/ram0 init=/init console=tty0 mem=76M msmsdcc_id=3 msmts_calib=0x6D.0x5D.0x340.0x375 msmvkeyb_toggle=hide"
03:03.59AstainEEEboot
03:04.10AstainEEEmy default.txt..
03:04.40maejrepah ok, I didn't have any luck with that initrd
03:04.44maejrepI'm still using angstrom
03:05.07maejrepthis is my default.txt: http://www.privatepaste.com/87kLOuUnAb
03:05.10AstainEEEyou angstrom build have ppp
03:05.28maejrepit has pppd, but I don't know if it has all the dependencies for it
03:05.45maejrepand doesn't have the scripts to automatically set up the data connection
03:06.29maejrepthat looks like raph100
03:06.57power_usri use same one as AstainEEEE
03:07.01AstainEEEyah it is just with msmsdcc_id=3
03:07.17power_usrAnd it worked with me for the Feb 3rd build
03:07.22power_usrThose settings were from wiki or something
03:07.38maejrepthe mtype is wrong though
03:07.45maejrepthe mtype is for raph100, not raph800
03:07.51AstainEEEhmmm
03:07.52maejrepmtype 2039 is for raph800
03:07.57power_usrok
03:08.00power_usrnot sure why it booted
03:08.02power_usrwe should update wiki
03:08.03AstainEEEmaybe that part of issue
03:08.04maejrepthat's probably why you're having mmc problems
03:08.21maejrepmsmsdcc_id is no longer used or parsed
03:08.28maejrepit sets up the sdcc id based on mtype
03:08.30power_usroh wiki is updated already
03:08.32power_usrhmm
03:08.34AstainEEEahh ok
03:08.50AstainEEEhmm time to try again then
03:08.54maejrep:p
03:09.33AstainEEEthat did it!
03:09.50power_usrdamn
03:09.52power_usrwow
03:09.55maejrepheh good to know it wasn't me that broke it ;p
03:10.08AstainEEElol yep
03:10.50AstainEEEbut got same results as power_usr power off and reboot as android loads
03:11.12power_usryup
03:11.51power_usri guess linux works
03:11.56power_usrjust not android :P
03:13.29AstainEEEhmm more interesting it shuts off for me not reboot
03:13.39maejrepthe old android 0.8 initrd works
03:13.59maejrepi need to look back at what lavender first did to get android 1.0 to work, and see what needs to change for it
03:14.08AstainEEEmaejrep, where your angstrom initrd from?
03:14.09maejrepI only tried android 1.0 once, and it didn't work
03:14.13maejrepfrom NetRipper
03:14.20AstainEEEok
03:15.04AstainEEEhmm wonder would old initrd work with new data files
03:15.26maejrepno, android 0.8 doesn't work by mounting the img from sd
03:15.45maejrepit works by cramming the entire android fs into the initrd
03:15.47AstainEEEohh right
03:15.58maejrepbut 1.0 was too big, hence why it needed sd support first
03:16.21maejrepthe initrd i use is: http://www.netripper.com/raphael/20081204-01_raph_diam_angstrom_usb/
03:16.27maejrepinitrd-angstrom-usb.cpio.gz
03:17.09power_usrAstainEEE: I just tried booting Android and you are right, it shuts down.  Not reboot
03:17.22maejrepjust turns off?
03:17.32power_usrYeah
03:17.45AstainEEEyep shows the two green men for a while then off
03:17.47maejrephmm, only way i could get it to turn off was writing AT+CFUN=0 to smd0
03:17.48power_usrExactly
03:18.05maejrep(which is how its supposed to power off ;)
03:18.37maejrepAstainEEE: know off hand what's needed for 1.0?
03:18.44maejrepaside from connect-utb's package
03:19.14AstainEEEnot sure it used to work cept for the colors
03:19.27AstainEEEtmzt, said something about usb_diag maybe causing the shutoff
03:19.30maejrepthe kernel shouldn't have changed anything about how the android init worked
03:19.47maejrepi thought diag was only the reason smd1 wasn't working
03:20.05AstainEEEyes
03:20.35power_usrThat new MTYPE is good.  Now both of those versions you posted online a few days ago, maejrep, get to the shutdown mode.  Previously one had SD card issues.
03:20.37maejrepi'll see if i can boot to angstrom and get the android images mounted
03:20.37AstainEEEbut I belive that tmzt  was saying with diag gone that was cause of crash.. just vague recolection
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03:20.53maejrepoh
03:21.44power_usrHaving two testers helps isolate problems :)
03:21.48power_usri.e. we don't sound as isane
03:21.52Vennyis there gonna be a new release to the raph800 adroid?
03:21.59maejrepheh
03:22.50power_usrVenny: right now it looks like Android 1.0 is having issues on RAPH800
03:23.00power_usralthough it probalby isn't something huge
03:23.06power_usrbut I'm not a developer
03:23.55power_usrAt least the color issue is fixed, but no build exists with color issue fixed and Android 1.0 working
03:24.23VennyD: ive been waiting forever
03:25.28maejrephmm, well angstrom is able to mount the e2 images
03:25.42maejrepso i wonder why connect-utb's initrd is having problems with it
03:26.32VennyI wish i new how to porgram lol
03:26.44power_usryup
03:27.34AstainEEEangstrom works well
03:28.15power_usrIs there a GUI with Anstrom?
03:29.24AstainEEEmaejrep, can you start android from within the angstrom?
03:30.05maejrepAstainEEE: not sure
03:32.57AstainEEEw00t ssh works
03:33.02power_usrheh
03:33.06power_usryou mean data?
03:33.49maejrepgonna try angstrom again to see if it'll start up android
03:34.09power_usrI'm gonna try angstrom over here :)
03:34.34AstainEEEssh over usb power_usr
03:34.42power_usrhmm
03:34.47power_usrusb to what?  a linux machine?
03:35.18AstainEEEyes power_usr
03:35.27AstainEEEto my eee running easypeasy
03:36.24AstainEEEhmm
03:36.43AstainEEEmounting all the images caused it to lock up
03:36.51AstainEEEnope just hang
03:37.15AstainEEEnope lock up for me
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03:38.45maejrepimages mount fine for me
03:38.50maejrepbut angstrom doesn't have init.android :p
03:39.05maejrepguess i'll have to hack at the root.cpio
03:39.57maejrep/dev/loop0 on /system type ext2 (rw,errors=continue)
03:39.57maejrep/dev/loop1 on /data type ext2 (rw,errors=continue)
03:39.57maejrep/dev/loop2 on /cache type ext2 (rw,errors=continue)
03:40.50AstainEEEahh maybe shoulda dne that way
03:41.42power_usri'll have to test out angstrom tomorrow.  having issues with activesync
03:42.04AstainEEEpower_usr, set raph to usb drive mode
03:42.18power_usrwhen i copy files over
03:42.18AstainEEEin settings connecttion usb to pc
03:42.20power_usrthey become all caps
03:42.35power_usrunless I do it in ActiveSync
03:42.41power_usrI copied the files over, but it couldn't boot properly
03:42.50AstainEEEwierd
03:42.56power_usrand color didn't look right
03:43.36power_usri'll let you know where it crashes this time
03:44.16power_usrdrivers/rtc/hctosys.c: unable to open rtc device (trc0)
03:44.23power_usrtrout_pwrsink_set:STUB!
03:44.38power_usrthat is where it hangs right now
03:46.08power_usranyways, gotta run
03:46.21power_usrbut it sounds like we were able to help maejrep out a little
03:46.22power_usrwhich is good
03:47.17power_usrlaters
03:47.27AstainEEEttfn power_usr
03:48.17maejrepheh oops
03:48.22AstainEEEoops?
03:49.08maejrepcommented out the initrd's "exec /init.android" line
03:49.13maejrepand forgot to replace it with a shell ;x
03:49.20AstainEEElol
03:54.05maejrepseems i'm still getting random hangs at console handover
03:54.21pzztgotbagzso mae u think when g1 gets update
03:54.27pzztgotbagzull have a little better base to work with
03:54.39AstainEEEpzztgotbagz, no
03:54.48pzztgotbagzu shush stain
03:54.49pzztgotbagzhehe
03:55.01AstainEEEg1 is actually behind in the actual android code
03:55.25pzztgotbagzya but code and having an actual base to work off of are sometimes different
03:55.45maejreppzztgotbagz: i'll be honest, I'm not following g1 very closely, or even android for that matter
03:55.45AstainEEEpzztgotbagz,  you're too used to wimo and not linux
03:56.02maejrepas I've said before, I've only booted android 0.8 2 or 3 times on my device
03:56.10maejrepand have yet to see android 1.0 on it
03:56.36maejrepI don't think many people realize that what i've been doing has been getting linux support for the hardware, not android support
03:56.45maejrepwhat most of us have been doing
03:57.53pzztgotbagzahhh gto cha maejrep
03:58.01pzztgotbagzand ya i guess so astain
03:58.23AstainEEEpzztgotbagz, with linux if you have source you can generally build your full app
03:58.27AstainEEEand run it
03:58.31pzztgotbagzisnt there 2 diff linux platforms
03:58.35pzztgotbagzfor devices
03:58.36maejrepok, so within calling init.android, it boots up
03:58.38pzztgotbagzi know android is 1
03:58.41pzztgotbagzand then there is another
04:00.09maejrepAstainEEE: when I run init.android, it prints something about not finding playmp3, then something about rild, then the screen goes blank and it appears to hang
04:00.11maejrepdoesn't turn off though
04:00.31AstainEEEpzztgotbagz, there is lots of arm linux platforms
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04:00.41AstainEEEhmm my laptop just woke up
04:00.53maejrepoh that's not your PS3? :P
04:00.58AstainEEEhmm wonder why it hangs for you and not me
04:01.03AstainEEElol nope not ps3
04:01.18maejrepit doesn't hang for you?
04:01.52AstainEEEfor me it shuts off not tried your method
04:02.17maejrepsame thing happens if I just let the root.cpio boot normally
04:02.25maejrepI edited the cpio and removed init.android
04:02.35maejrepthen I can telnet in, and it looks fine
04:02.41maejrepbut running init.android causes this
04:03.29AstainEEEhmm
04:03.37AstainEEEI wonder what all init.android runs
04:03.43maejrepits binary
04:04.18AstainEEEwonder why it suddenly now is causing the issue
04:04.37maejrephmm, i wonder if its related to an smd change
04:04.48maejrepmaybe it runs some AT commands that raph800 can't deal with
04:05.05AstainEEEhmm possibly
04:05.23maejrepguess i could try it without the smd_7500 support
04:09.13AstainEEEif you want I can rebuild and try it for you
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04:13.38maejrepmeh, same thing
04:14.09maejrepit's supposed to take a long time the first time, right?
04:14.17maejrepbut it should be displaying the android logo?
04:14.33AstainEEEdid it yet
04:14.41AstainEEEtakes a long time before it displays logo
04:22.11AstainEEEhmm for me it started loading android but never displayed the little green men with building it straight off the htcraphael_defconfig
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04:29.39tiger2wanderhi all
04:29.52AstainEEEhi
04:30.10tiger2wanderCould anybody please tell me where to get guide for mtty tool?
04:30.29tiger2wanderalso it's command list :)
04:30.45AstainEEEmaejrep, it loaded for me with some changes to default.txt and smd_7500 off
04:33.45AstainEEEif you make your default.txt the same as mine except for the right mtype and build kernel with the defconfig it works perfect
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04:53.47maejrepAstainEEE: i left it and went to watch tv for a bit .. when i came back it was in wince ;x
04:54.13maejrepwill work on it some more tomorrow
04:56.02AstainEEEcool thx
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09:01.06Marajinmorning peoples
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09:10.41Marajinmorning BabelO_
09:11.01BabelO_morning Marajin
09:13.17Marajinhow's it going?
09:18.07BabelO_Marajin: good with sun :) and 22°C for the morning... good day
09:18.15Marajinheh
09:18.21Marajinit's distinctly colder than that here..
09:18.26Marajinturns up the fanheater.
09:18.48BabelO_:)
09:19.14Marajinhowever I get my new shiny today!
09:19.22MarajinI just checked the parcel tracking and it's out for delivery, yay
09:25.42Abracadabragood morning
09:25.59Marajinmorning Abracadabra
09:27.46Abracadabrawhere's the latest info on Linux for HTC (Kaiser) ?
09:28.03Abracadabraor a neopwn equivalent :)
09:28.14Marajinwhat'd you want to know?
09:28.48Abracadabrawell, I am still looking out for a Linux OS for my HTC
09:28.57Marajinthe kaiser versions work ok frankly
09:29.05Abracadabralast I heard, there was some issues
09:29.22Abracadabralike MicroSD couldn't be read or something
09:29.23Marajinwe have SD (mostly), PM, audio, calling/texts, Android loads, GPS I think (it used to work anyway)
09:29.34Marajindzo fixed that a bit back
09:29.41Abracadabraoh cool
09:30.03Marajinsome SDHC cards are still a bit fuzzy but mostly it works
09:30.07AbracadabraI'm still kinda new to all this
09:30.18Marajinwell don't worry, we all were at some point
09:30.28AbracadabraI installed a WM Rom a few months back
09:30.41Abracadabrabut I'd like to install something similar to neopwn
09:30.52MarajinI seem to be flashing my WM rom every week :p
09:31.00MarajinI dunno about getting neopwn on it though
09:31.13Abracadabraneopwn is hardware-dependent
09:31.18Abracadabraafaik
09:31.51Abracadabrabut the idea is still ... Linux OS and specific apps installed
09:32.19Abracadabrawhere do you go to flash your ROM so often ?
09:32.29Marajinthe xda-developer's forum
09:32.34Abracadabraok
09:32.42Abracadabraand for Linux ROM ?
09:33.06Marajinhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=378
09:33.09Marajinerm, here mostly :P
09:33.15Abracadabralol
09:33.47Abracadabrathe term flashing and ROM always scares me
09:33.51Marajinheh
09:34.19MarajinNo worries, I've had two bad flashes in like the whole lifetime of my kaiser and both recovered fine
09:34.20AbracadabraI feel like the more you flash, the more you are likely to damage it
09:34.26Marajinas long as you have hardSPL you're usually ok
09:34.39AbracadabraSPL is to unlock, right ?
09:34.57Marajinthe SPL is kinda the bios of a HTC
09:35.25Marajinputting on hardspl lets you do some debugging and flash any valid ROM you want
09:35.42Marajinya know where it goes into that 3 colour screen?
09:35.46Abracadabrayes
09:35.51Marajinthat's SPL
09:35.55Abracadabraok
09:35.58Abracadabra:)
09:36.14Abracadabranoob language always works fine with me ;)
09:36.17Marajincan flash from a computer over USB or from the SD Card, whatever suits you
09:36.30MarajinI guess from SD is safer cause you can't knock the wire
09:36.32Abracadabraover USB is my prefered choice atm
09:36.54Marajinyeah I've done both and both worked fine
09:37.05Abracadabrawhich is fastest (if any) ?
09:38.23Marajinneither is noteably faster IME
09:38.33MarajinI guess possibly SD is but eh
09:39.38Abracadabrafair enough
09:40.02Abracadabraout of curiosity, what info are needed to get the correct roms for my device ?
09:40.16Marajinpretty much you just need to know what device you have
09:40.19Abracadabrathere is so much info out there, I am lost
09:40.28Marajinkaiser's aren't very varied
09:40.36Marajinso all the kaiser roms should flash ok
09:41.09Marajinabout the only thing worth noting is whether you have a tilt or not cause the keyboard is different
09:41.16Abracadabrawell, I have been asked about radio rom version, which manufacturer (well telecoms company), etc...
09:41.30Abracadabraok, yes I have
09:41.34Marajinwell old radio roms won't work with new WM builds
09:41.45MarajinI think the kaiser has run everything from WM5 to WM6.5
09:41.52Abracadabra6.5 ?
09:42.01MarajinI think you need something in the 1.6x and newer for WM over 6
09:42.01AbracadabraI thought 6.1 was the latest :/
09:42.11Marajin6.5 is in beta and releases in september this year
09:42.17Abracadabraok
09:42.20Marajinbut there are 6.5 roms already on the xda-developers forum I linked
09:42.35Abracadabrayes, I had a quick glance
09:42.35Marajinthe core of 6.5 is faster but the new menus are a bit laggy IME
09:42.58Abracadabrais it possible to have some kind of dual boot ?
09:43.21MarajinNo but you boot linux from the SD card rather than the internal flash so you can kinda dual boot linux and WM
09:43.26Marajinbut can't dual boot WM versions
09:43.36Abracadabrathat is fine
09:43.46AbracadabraI'd like to keep WM too
09:44.00AbracadabraI use tomtom as I drive fair distances
09:44.11Marajinoh well it's not possible to completely flash a kaiser to linux so you'd have to keep WM
09:44.15Abracadabrabut I would also like to have linux and play with it
09:44.30Marajinwhat ya do is boot WM then run a program that will load linux into memory and then kick WM out of memory and jump into linux
09:44.42Abracadabrais the info also on the link you pasted ?
09:44.47Abracadabranifty ;)
09:44.51Marajinthen as soon as you reset your phone it'll boot back into WM
09:45.11Marajinit should be yeah, there's definitely a thread about booting android (which is linux based anyway and uses the same methods)
09:45.54Abracadabrawhat about WM and linux apps for HTC, where can I find them ?
09:46.11Marajinmost WM apps are compatible with all WM devices
09:46.28Marajinlinux apps kinda have to be custom built currently, don't think anyone really makes a package repo for modern HTC devices
09:46.42Abracadabra:(
09:46.49Marajinandroid apps you just copy to a folder on your SD card and it finds them automatically
09:47.19Marajintechnically once linux is very happy on the HTC devices though existing repos would probably work for it cause it's all still just ARM
09:47.45MarajinI think people have extracted existing packages into their rootfs on kaiser and it worked
09:48.19MarajinI haven't been following the pure linux development much recently, dcordes might know when he's around
09:48.57Abracadabrawhich ROM did you like best ?
09:49.03Abracadabraout of the ones you have tried ?
09:49.16MarajinWM roms? it kinda becomes pretty much a personal choice
09:49.31MarajinI'm currently using the Athineos ones. I used to like the schaps roms but he hasn't made one in a while
09:50.11Marajinthe L26 roms were neat when they were first stealing the diamond apps and putting them on the kaiser
09:50.47Abracadabraso if you don't mind me asking ... what is the correct procedure to flash a rom ?
09:51.06Abracadabrathe only time I tried, it took me 3 days, and was hell on earth
09:51.16Marajinum, connect your kaiser via usb, run the .exe file that's in the rom archive you downloaded and it'll sort itself out mostly
09:51.28Marajinyou probably already have hardspl if you already flashed a rom before
09:51.29Abracadabraluckily people form the xda-dev chan were extremely helpful and patient
09:51.33Marajinso it should take care of itself now
09:51.51Abracadabraso I just have to download a rom and install it ?
09:52.11Marajinor else take the .nbh file and rename it KAISIMG.nbh and stick it on your SD card and then hold down the right buttons (I forgot the sequence, it'll be on the forums) and it'll pretty much just flash itself
09:52.24Marajinyep
09:52.48Marajindownload the rar, extract it somewhere, run the RRU exe and it'll go through a wizard that'll get it all set up
09:53.00Marajinoh, and make sure your phone has finished actually syncing with activesync before you do it
09:53.07Abracadabraok
09:53.10Marajinit has to be connected and synced for safety
09:53.29MarajinI gotta head off for a bit now mate but I'll be around later if you still got questions
09:53.30Abracadabraright, time to see what rom I can try then :)
09:53.51Marajindon't forget you'll lose stuff like your call logs and SMS unless you use something like PIMbackup to back 'em up
09:54.22Marajinanything on the phones internal memory will wipe, anything on the SD card or SIM will be safe (or should be)
09:55.26AbracadabraI'll take the SD out before I flash ;)
09:56.18AbracadabraPIMbackup ?
09:56.21Abracadabraheard of that
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11:22.13Marajinello ello
11:22.22captnoordyo
11:22.35Marajinhow's it going?
11:22.53captnoordatm kinda good
11:22.58Marajinyeah?
11:22.59Marajingood to hear
11:23.26captnoordI may get a additional year of study finantial help
11:23.32Marajinnice!
11:24.02captnoordand the sister of my girl is taking care of my pressent for her
11:24.19Marajincool
11:25.55captnoorddamn lingerie is expensive
11:26.04captnoord30% is the avarage take
11:26.06captnoordI mean
11:26.14captnoordI pay about 90 euro's for a very nice piece
11:26.15captnoordok
11:26.22captnoordI mean.... I can digg that
11:26.23captnoordbut
11:26.24captnoord30%
11:26.29captnoordis 30 euro's
11:26.57captnoordmeaning there cost is about 60 euro's all in, manufacturing, transport and all that shit
11:26.59captnoordand at the end
11:27.04captnoordthey take 30 euro's
11:27.04captnoorddamn
11:27.18captnoordif you ever think of making money
11:30.07Marajinhmm my new phone better hurry up arriving, or my kaiser is going to die first :P
11:30.31Marajin(I'm playing a mini game of 'will the kaiser battery die before the X1 arrives')
11:30.48captnoordsuggests overcharging
11:31.10Marajinheh, nah I'm playing it based on 'the battery was already at 39% as of 9pm last night'
11:31.24Marajin25% now
11:31.28captnoordlol
11:31.44captnoordthe batt sensor sucks anyway
11:31.45captnoordso
11:31.52captnoordits quite possible its still ok
11:31.56Marajinyeah but I'm counting failure at the point where WM shits itself
11:31.59captnoordbut the software is making it sick
11:32.07captnoordhmmmm
11:32.10captnoordthats better
11:32.34Marajinwell the battery isn't really that bad battery life, it just was low charge so I'm seeing if it will completely discharge before the x1 arrives
11:32.49captnoordheheheheheheheheheheheeh
11:32.50Marajinit probably won't.. it's 11:30am already, I really expect the X1 to arrive inside a c oupla hours
11:32.54captnoordwhen the x1 will?
11:32.57captnoordaaahhhh
11:32.58captnoordnice
11:33.02captnoordcrossses fingers
11:33.15Marajinaccording to the package tracking it's 'out for delivery' as of 7:30 this morning
11:33.31Marajinso my doorbell could ring any minute really
11:33.42MarajinI've had phones delivered as early as 8am before heh :P
11:33.51captnoordare you going to make linux run on the phone?
11:33.52captnoord:P
11:33.57captnoordhehe
11:34.07Marajinit already runs the raph dists
11:34.25Marajinthey're pretty similar hardware
11:34.33captnoordnice
11:35.34MarajinI think there's some issue with the keyboard or something, I'll find out later
11:39.08Marajinand heh, yeah lingerie costs a lot but you get a lot of fun outta it ;)
11:39.19MarajinI tend to go jewellery though
11:39.31captnoordespecialy if you know how my girl looks like
11:39.31captnoordhehe
11:39.35MarajinI've bought my girl a coupla necklaces and a silver heart shaped jewellery box
11:39.50MarajinI'm more than happy with mine ;)
11:40.09captnoordit took me a while to get her
11:40.11captnoordbut now
11:40.12captnoord:D
11:40.15captnoord3 year happy
11:40.18captnoordand she is my rock
11:40.18captnoord:D
11:40.29Marajinand a little monkey with a heart and a 'I heart my geek' message printed on it as a joke
11:40.34Marajinyeah I'm at 3 1/2 years
11:40.54captnoordme to more or less
11:41.08Marajin9th september 2005
11:41.13captnoordthere is only 1 date important to remember
11:41.19captnoordand thats her birthday
11:41.27captnoordwhich is fairly easy to remember
11:41.28captnoord:P
11:41.32captnoord1 april
11:41.37Marajinnah man you gotta remember birthday, valetines, anniversary and christmas
11:41.42Marajinit's expensive having a girl :p
11:41.59captnoordlol
11:42.00captnoordnope
11:42.03captnoordfor me
11:42.07Marajinand if you have a kid then you gotta start remembering mother's day too
11:42.07captnoordits only birthdays
11:42.13captnoordyup
11:42.22captnoordadds it to his planning
11:42.31captnoorddamn its usefull to have a phone with features like that
11:42.35Marajinhaha
11:42.41Marajinyeah I love my HTCs for that
11:42.49Marajina few days before the date I get poked to get gifts
11:43.01captnoordfor me 1 month
11:43.08captnoordbecause I knew its gonne be a hard one
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11:43.13Marajinheh :P
11:43.21captnoordhttp://deja.jails.nl/Data/Shared/Pictures/14-02-07_1239.jpg
11:43.30captnoordvalentines day
11:43.40Marajinheh
11:43.41captnoordthe teddy is like 1.5 meters
11:43.43Marajinhurray for bears :P
11:43.44captnoordI mean
11:43.52captnoordI should have gone for something smaller
11:43.58captnoordbut I raised the bar to fast
11:44.25Marajinthat happens
11:44.30captnoordhttp://deja.jails.nl/Data/Shared/Pictures/DSC00206.JPG
11:44.32captnoordhmmmm
11:44.33Marajinended up with 100 euro box of chocolates once
11:44.36captnoorddamn i'm lucky
11:44.55Marajinthat's your girl huh?
11:44.56captnoordor
11:44.58Marajinyep, lucky man
11:44.58captnoordhttp://deja.jails.nl/Data/Shared/Pictures/x-rays-2009/leg-under-right/been004_small_safe.jpg
11:45.00captnoordunlucky
11:45.05captnoordshe's mine
11:45.27Marajinyou have a steel rod in your leg?
11:45.35captnoordtitanium
11:45.36captnoordyup
11:45.44Marajinheh, well ya see it's balance right
11:45.50Marajinyou horribly break your leg but you get a great girl
11:46.05captnoordshe's crazy
11:46.09captnoordreally she is
11:46.21captnoordshe is like.... "hey GET ME A BEER"
11:46.30captnoordand i'm like
11:46.32captnoordlooooool
11:46.57captnoordjust the girl a geek needs
11:46.57captnoord:P
11:47.04Marajinhttp://marajin.w-ww.org/randompics/adaglowy.jpg <-- Not exactly revealing clothing, I don't have any that are 'safe' that are at all revealing :P
11:47.21Marajinwell mine's an Electrical Engineering and Comp Sci student so it works for me :p
11:47.22captnoordhmmmm
11:47.24captnoordnice
11:47.35captnoordO btw is her head always like that
11:47.35captnoord:P
11:47.36captnoordlol
11:47.42Marajintilted? heh :P
11:47.43Marajinno
11:47.49captnoordmeaning
11:47.50captnoordshe can code
11:47.51captnoord:D
11:47.53captnoordwhooooo
11:48.02Marajinyeah though she doesn't like coding really
11:48.08Marajinbut she's keen on gadgets and stuff
11:48.24captnoordhttp://deja.jails.nl/Data/Shared/Pictures/Moodlight/IMGP0208.JPG
11:48.28captnoordmy everlasting
11:48.31captnoordmoodlight project
11:48.44captnoord435 Mhz remote controlled
11:48.49captnoordwith a usb dongle
11:48.54captnoord+ software
11:49.00Marajinhaha, that just looks /wrong/ till the whole image loads
11:49.24captnoordso I can do the entire "phillips embilight" thingy
11:49.25captnoord:D
11:49.31MarajinI was like '...dude, why are you showing me a pic of a lightup sex toy' at first :P
11:49.37captnoordlol
11:49.38captnoordnope
11:49.54captnoordyou wish
11:49.55captnoord:P
11:50.03MarajinI don't have to wish :p
11:50.14captnoordyou have one?
11:50.15captnoordlol
11:50.16captnoordhehehehehe
11:50.24Marajinnah, not glowing anyway
11:50.31captnoordhehe
11:50.53Marajinbut she's pretty... open minded about things
11:50.55Marajinexperimental
11:51.05captnoordmine isn't
11:51.13captnoordshe is a "I play it always safe" person
11:51.14captnoordbut
11:51.23captnoordwhen she is in her "zone"
11:51.32Marajinwell ironically in all other aspects of life mine plays it safe
11:51.35Marajinpretty timid character
11:51.43Marajinbut in that one area she'll try anything
11:51.58captnoordopposites attract
11:52.07Marajinheh
11:52.13Marajinyeah I'm not a timid character :P
11:52.13captnoordI love it the way she trusts me totaly
11:52.16captnoord:P
11:52.26Marajinyeah that's always a nice feeling
11:52.28captnoordshe always gets lost when she is in a new city
11:52.33captnoordand i'm like
11:52.38captnoordhmmmm I think this direction
11:52.46captnoord9 out of 10 correct
11:52.57Marajinheh, I'm like '..**whips out HTC and opens satnav app**'
11:53.07captnoordhehe
11:53.32captnoordnope I can do it entirely on feeling of direction
11:53.50MarajinI don't travel much really. I can usually navigate by signs if I have to though
11:54.09captnoordlast year we went to portugal
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11:54.14Synth3t1chey all
11:54.18Synth3t1canyone home?
11:54.23Marajinnope
11:54.26Synth3t1c:( lol
11:54.26captnoordand I finaly got to meet a good friend of mine I know for a long time on the internet
11:54.32captnoordand at first
11:54.34Marajinwe're all on mars having an astronaut geek party!
11:54.35captnoordshe didn't liked it
11:54.39Marajinwho knew, 3G reception on mars
11:54.43Synth3t1clol
11:54.45captnoordand when she finaly got to meet him
11:54.55captnoordit was ok
11:54.56captnoord:P
11:54.59Marajinyeah
11:55.12Marajinmine's just like hiding behind me cause she's timid about stuff
11:55.13Synth3t1cif one had to guess, whats the ETA for android on mah sprint touch pro ??
11:55.17Marajinbut she loves meeting people from my life
11:55.20captnoordnow she is like scared to go somewhere because there is a posibility that I know people which I want to meet
11:55.31MarajinSynth3t1c: how long is a piece of string
11:55.31captnoordSynth3t1c: you know how to code?
11:55.36captnoordlol
11:55.40Marajinas in, we don't really know it's not predictable
11:55.41Synth3t1clol yes actually
11:55.46Synth3t1cokay
11:55.55Synth3t1chttp://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux - i check that like every day :(
11:56.08Marajinheh :p
11:56.08captnoordif you know how to code
11:56.11captnoordand have time
11:56.15captnoordyou can do something about it
11:56.21captnoordand don't go waiting
11:56.22Marajinhang around the IRC room, you find out about things sooner
11:56.24Synth3t1cwont i have to give up my phone?
11:56.30captnoordnope
11:56.31captnoordyou don't
11:56.33Marajiner why would you have to give up your phone?
11:56.35Synth3t1chow do you mean?
11:56.38Marajinit doesn't wipe out windows mobile or anything
11:56.42Synth3t1clike i thought id have to test things out and stuff
11:56.51Marajinyou just soft reset and bang, back to WM
11:56.53captnoordand if you softreset it it will boot windows
11:57.05captnoordMarajin: seems great minds think alike lolz
11:57.07Synth3t1ccan i switch between android and WM on the fly?
11:57.13MarajinSynth3t1c: pretty much
11:57.24Synth3t1ci.e., do i need to be at my computer to boot android?
11:57.25Marajinwe boot android from within WM and then soft reset to get back to WM
11:57.26captnoordI do
11:57.29Marajinno
11:57.30Synth3t1cor is it like dual boot
11:57.35captnoordnope
11:57.36captnoordits like
11:57.47captnoordloading the linux in your mobile mem
11:57.51captnoordunloading WM
11:57.52Marajinwhat we do is load the initrd and linux kernel into memory and then kick the WM kernel out and linux/android boots
11:57.57captnoordand make it boot linux
11:58.13Synth3t1cis there a project tracker that i can choose one problem to tackle?
11:58.20Marajiner not that I know of
11:58.21captnoordwiki
11:58.29Marajinwe tend to organize stuff through IRC or wiki yeah
11:58.56captnoordproblem with trackers is that it takes up loads of time coders want to spend on coding
11:58.57Synth3t1ccool
11:59.22Synth3t1ci disagree
11:59.25Marajinanyway, you are at low risk of damaging your phone and you won't lose your WM data and stuff
11:59.27Synth3t1cbut whatever ;)
11:59.28Marajinso
11:59.40Synth3t1cjust follow the instructions on the page i linked/
11:59.41Synth3t1c?
11:59.42captnoordthe worst what can happen
11:59.44Marajinyou don't even need to partition your SD card
11:59.53captnoordis that you need to hardreset your phone
12:00.00captnoordso I make a PIM backup
12:00.01Synth3t1clike cooking a rom
12:00.10captnoordeverytime I do some stuff
12:00.14Synth3t1call my important stuff is on exchange server
12:00.18Marajinyeah
12:00.22captnoordthen
12:00.26captnoordalmost nothing can go wrong
12:00.27Marajinbut you'd lose SMS and call logs and stuff
12:00.31Synth3t1cmeh
12:00.37Synth3t1cbig deal
12:00.45Marajinyeah exactly
12:00.48Synth3t1conce i send an sms im through with it 98% of the time
12:01.02Marajinbut you can save them anyway by running pimbackup
12:01.10Synth3t1cif i cared lol
12:01.12Marajinyeah
12:01.29MarajinI don't bother deleting SMSes though
12:01.29Marajinever
12:01.30Marajinheh
12:01.51Marajinmy kaiser already has enough memory to keep them forever and the X1 will have far more I guess
12:02.17Marajinso the only time I lose SMSes is pretty much cause I hardreset/flashed a new WM rom
12:02.38Synth3t1clol
12:02.47lupine_85Marajin, I did that
12:02.52lupine_85now someone has all my old texts :S
12:03.16lupine_85I reckon for my next phone I'll pop them into a Maildir every week and delete the old ones
12:04.34Marajinhaha lupine_85
12:04.41lupine_85not funny :p
12:04.45MarajinI still have my hermes and kaiser so I don't lose my texts
12:04.52Marajinif I was ever selling one I'd hardreset it
12:04.54lupine_85bleedin' glaswegians ;)
12:05.00Marajinhah :P
12:05.02lupine_85yeah, I lost mine on the train
12:05.08Marajinglaswegians are great!
12:05.13Marajinthat's why I lived in perth -.-
12:05.18captnoordgreat phone to loose on a train
12:05.18captnoord:P
12:05.24captnoordyou made someone very happy
12:05.28lupine_85I doubt it
12:05.34lupine_85IMEI blocked so now the radio on it is useless
12:05.43captnoordhehe
12:05.53lupine_85makes an OK PDA, I guess
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12:06.02lupine_85if only I'd had insurance :p
12:06.05captnoordmy girl is like "why do you want to change your phone"
12:06.08Marajinwhich one'd you lose?
12:06.26lupine_85raphael
12:06.34Marajinouch
12:06.43lupine_85I only paid £100 for it
12:06.52lupine_85'tis just.... annoying
12:07.13Marajinhow'd you get a raph for 100 quid?
12:07.23lupine_8518 month contract with voda
12:07.30captnoordlol
12:07.32Marajinmate that means you didn't pay 100 for it ;)
12:07.33captnoordI didn't payed for it
12:07.53Marajinlupine_85: I made O2 give me 15/month off my entire 18 month contract before I got the X1 :P
12:07.53lupine_85mm, I'm on a £25/mo contract as well
12:08.08lupine_85mmm
12:08.12lupine_85I don't really like the X1
12:08.16captnoord32 euro's p/m
12:08.29Marajinlupine_85: yeah but I couldn't get that deal on the raph
12:08.40lupine_85I'm going to be a nokia fellow these days :/
12:08.40captnoordhmmm designing a stupid board for my brother:(
12:08.46captnoordnightrider light
12:08.46captnoord:P
12:08.55Marajincaptnoord: Knightrider
12:09.02Marajinbesides, it's a cylon light
12:09.08lupine_85has been very tempted to stick a cellular radio in his server so he can get all his texts in a central place
12:09.27lupine_85not entirely certain what to do with calls if I do that, though
12:09.39Marajinforward/voicemail them all
12:09.49lupine_85well, yeah
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12:10.33captnoordMarajin: yup cylon
12:10.48Marajincylons came first, same guy made the knight rider light I think
12:11.18Marajinthe X1 will be nice for media I guess, the kaiser's always been crap for that
12:11.28captnoordI just love eagle
12:11.37captnoordmake designing it so much faster than those other prog's
12:11.48Marajinhmm damn I have to go to the bathroom, I bet the parcel guy comes just as I go in there >.< they always do
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12:14.42captnoordO damn
12:14.50captnoordthe guy who designed this board sucked bigtime
12:14.56captnoordi'm rerouting one
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12:24.40Synth3t1csorry about leaving
12:24.49Synth3t1csome dude was pissing out side of my apartment
12:24.54Synth3t1cthen denied it
12:24.59Synth3t1c"its water"
12:25.03Synth3t1cwheres the water bottle?
12:25.04Synth3t1c"uhhh"
12:25.13Synth3t1ci watched him do it through the peephole
12:25.17Synth3t1ci looked after i heard
12:25.33Synth3t1c"dude, i needa pee too but i can wait dude..."
12:25.42Synth3t1cidiot neighbor and her idiot friends
12:25.52MarajinSynth3t1c: I'd have walked out with a screwdriver in my hand and gone 'WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!' just to see him run down the street with his dick out
12:25.57Synth3t1clmao
12:26.09Synth3t1ci opened the door and he turned and zipped up
12:26.15Synth3t1cturned dark red
12:26.28Marajinwell I'm 260lbs, I can get people to run :p
12:27.45Synth3t1cim ~190
12:28.00Synth3t1cbut i was hoping for it to escalate
12:28.03captnoordi'm 73 kg and have a titanium pin in my right leg
12:28.04Synth3t1ci was yelling at him
12:28.16Synth3t1c73kg? whats that in american? LMAO jk
12:28.26captnoordi'm dutch
12:28.27lupine_857,300g
12:28.34lupine_85no
12:28.36Synth3t1ci was hoping he would punch me or something so i could tear him apart
12:28.37lupine_8573,000g :D
12:28.40Marajin160 lbs
12:28.42Synth3t1cpwned
12:28.44Marajin73kg is 160lbs
12:28.58captnoordI used to be 80
12:29.06captnoordI lost 7 kg because of my leg
12:29.07captnoord:P
12:29.08MarajinI'm 118kg ;)
12:29.10lupine_85160.79 ;)
12:29.14captnoorddamn
12:29.16Synth3t1cwho needs legs anyway, rite?
12:29.21captnoordGET YOURSELFS in shape
12:29.22captnoord:P
12:29.23captnoordlol
12:29.28captnoordwoeps
12:29.28MarajinI AM in shape, that's the problem ;)
12:29.32captnoordyour already in shape
12:29.33captnoordlol
12:29.36captnoordyou stole my joke
12:29.38captnoord::P
12:29.39captnoordbrb
12:29.42Synth3t1ckk
12:29.45Marajinthat's why I can get people to run :p
12:30.11Synth3t1ci could take you
12:30.30Synth3t1cblack belt + was a varsity wrestler in highschool :D
12:30.31Marajinof course my weight is a bit bizarre, cause I don't look like I'm 118kg/260lbs, People guess me at like 90kg
12:30.45Marajinyeah well I don't have a lot of martial training, but most people don't risk it ;)
12:30.49Synth3t1clmao
12:31.22Marajinthe average idiot has no training either, and they're usually a lot smaller so
12:31.25Marajinthey just run
12:31.49Synth3t1chah
12:31.53Synth3t1ctrue
12:31.58Synth3t1cwell i live in new orleans
12:32.04Synth3t1cmost people here are full of themselves
12:32.07Marajinyeah
12:32.12Synth3t1cso they stay
12:32.16Synth3t1cand i get to smash their face in
12:32.22Marajinhmm a coupla people have stayed
12:32.32Marajinright up to the point where I've turned them into organic surface to air missiles
12:32.48Synth3t1cdude i live on the 3rd floor, itd be awesome if i threw him down the stairs or straight off thebalcony lol
12:32.54Synth3t1clmao
12:32.56Marajinyeah :p
12:33.54Synth3t1cdude, he was outside my neighbors apartment
12:33.54Synth3t1chow badly did he need to pee!?
12:33.55Synth3t1cthats just nuts
12:33.55Marajinwell sometimes there are just fucking idiots
12:34.00MarajinA guy once started at me who was about 5'2 and built to his height :P
12:34.12MarajinHe could have headbutted me! in the chest..
12:34.20MarajinI picked him up and placed him in a trash can
12:34.21Synth3t1chah
12:34.24Synth3t1clmao!
12:34.45MarajinI wouldn't care but the idiot walked into me, it wasn't like it was my fault
12:34.55Synth3t1che walked into you?
12:35.00Synth3t1cyou have a short fuse
12:35.04Marajinyeah, busy sidewalk
12:35.13Synth3t1che walked into you on a busy sidewalk
12:35.17Marajinno he had a short fuse, he walked into me and started screaming abuse and being agreesive
12:35.20Marajin*agressive
12:35.29Synth3t1coh
12:35.32Marajinso after about 30 seconds I just got fed up and put him in the trash
12:35.42Synth3t1cbet he shut up after that
12:35.55Marajinkinda had to, there were like 50 people stood around to laugh at him
12:36.35MarajinI used to have a short fuse in like, highschool
12:36.38Marajinbut I got over it
12:36.45Synth3t1csame here
12:36.50MarajinI'd rather not bother nowadays but some people just push the issue
12:37.17Marajinthen again I was like 140lbs from being 11 to about 17
12:37.46Marajinthen genetics went 'ello!' and I went from 140lbs to 190 in a coupla months and a coupla years later hit 260
12:37.48Synth3t1ci was a fatty, but still a blackbelt and stuff so whatever
12:37.51Synth3t1chell, im still a fatty
12:37.54Synth3t1clol
12:38.15MarajinI was always pretty strong. I carried a 60lbs bag my entire school life
12:38.26Marajinconstantly lifting 60lbs will give you some decent arms and shoulders
12:38.43Synth3t1choly crap - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=445525
12:39.10Marajiner dude, isn't it arm 11
12:40.05Marajinthe MSM 7xxxx chipsets are all arm11 so they're v6
12:40.22Marajinoh I misread
12:40.25Marajinhmm
12:40.45Marajinwtf do ubuntu expect to run stuff on if they're aiming for arm v7
12:41.10Synth3t1ctouch pro dood
12:41.17Marajinthe touch pro is v6
12:41.25Marajinarm11 == ARMv6
12:41.38Marajinhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture
12:41.44Marajinonly the 'cortex' stuff is V7
12:41.47Synth3t1coh
12:41.49Marajini.e. basically the beagle board
12:41.49Synth3t1cpwned
12:42.07Synth3t1ci just want android damnit
12:42.12theCrocnew netbooks
12:42.27theCrocthere has been some talk of ARMv7 netbooks coming soon
12:42.29Synth3t1cmy friend has a G1 and touch pro is 999 times better than G1 but WM sucks :(
12:42.49Marajinyeah the g1 is ugly
12:42.54Marajinand lower screen res
12:43.10Synth3t1cthats what im saying
12:43.16Synth3t1cthats why this needs to be done STAT
12:43.17Marajinwe'll get android working right on the TP soon enough
12:43.22Marajinit already boots
12:43.38theCrocIt runs fine on my iamond
12:43.48theCrocjust need that sound driver to work
12:43.52theCrocand 3g
12:43.55theCrocand wifi:P
12:43.59MarajintheCroc: meh, what's the point of going ARM on a netbook? I mean sure battery life would leap but compatability issues and stuff
12:44.13Marajinbesides netbooks are already able to do 6+ hours
12:44.34Synth3t1clol Croc
12:44.36Synth3t1cso no sound
12:44.40Synth3t1cno 3g
12:44.41Synth3t1cno wifi
12:44.44theCrocMarajin: I believe the power is one of the main things. Compatibility wont be an issue for open source stuff really
12:44.50Synth3t1cwhat good is it then?
12:45.03Synth3t1ceverything works but phone functions and internet
12:45.10theCrocyeah I know
12:45.34theCrocbut atleast it runs smoothly and is stable
12:45.37Synth3t1ci NEED android :(
12:45.38MarajintheCroc: It does tie you to linux OS and such though, that's... debateable on such things
12:45.44theCrocthat means the hardest part is done
12:45.54Marajinon phones it's great
12:45.57Marajinon a netbook...eeehmaybe
12:46.03theCrocI hear you
12:46.04Marajindepends on the person
12:46.07Synth3t1cwait, linux?
12:46.13Synth3t1clinux on a desktop is greatg
12:46.14theCrocbut then I'm a linux user on most of my platforms
12:46.35theCrocI never see compatibility as an issue
12:46.42MarajinI use it on my kaiser and on my server.. I got fed up of using it on the desktop for anything more than IMs and internet browsing and some office work
12:46.45Marajinsee I'm a gamer
12:46.48Synth3t1ci cant get wifi to work on my laptop in ubuntu :(
12:46.48theCrocI have yet to encounter a common file format I couldn't open
12:46.58Synth3t1cmarajin - dual boot then
12:47.01Synth3t1cOR
12:47.05Synth3t1cwine
12:47.06Synth3t1cOR
12:47.08Synth3t1ccedega
12:47.09Marajinwaste of disk space, I don't NEED it on my desktop
12:47.13theCrocwell I have win xp on my mediabox
12:47.23theCrocas it doubles as a gaming machine
12:47.28Synth3t1chttp://www.transgaming.com/
12:47.32Marajinand wine is like pissing in the sea heh
12:47.44theCrocwell some things are nice in wine
12:47.46Synth3t1cerr
12:47.49Synth3t1chttp://www.cedega.com/
12:47.51theCrocspotify runs without a hitc
12:47.54Marajinit fixes some stuff but not everything
12:48.09theCroc(They even officialy support wine)
12:48.33Marajinwhat? ooh, 40 games certified! Mate I had several hundred
12:48.36Synth3t1cspotify?
12:48.41Synth3t1clike what
12:48.43Marajin*have
12:48.44Synth3t1cbejewelled?
12:48.48Synth3t1clemmings?
12:48.55theCrocI find that separating my computers int work (My laptop running linux) and Play (My media box running XP)
12:49.00theCrocsimplifies things
12:49.29theCrocSpotify = Free musicstreaming
12:49.31theCroclegaly
12:49.37Synth3t1cthats oficial support Marajin
12:49.40Synth3t1c*official
12:49.44Synth3t1cthere ARE other games
12:49.51MarajinI don't care, I know a bunch of my games plain won't run
12:49.51theCrocand its not like Last.fm or pandora where you cant choose the track
12:50.01Marajinit's not like it matters mate, I run linux where it's best
12:50.03Synth3t1chttp://www.cedega.com/gamesdb/
12:50.04MarajinI run windows where it's best
12:50.07Marajinand that's how things should be
12:50.14theCrocof course
12:50.23theCrocthats always best
12:50.23Synth3t1ci guess
12:50.35Marajinya know my linux server does a lot more than just apache and postfix :p
12:50.42theCrocbut if we return to the subject: You wont be running those games on your ARM netbook
12:50.47Marajinemail, IMs, internet browsing, etc are all run via it too
12:50.51theCrocso compatibnility is again a non issue
12:50.52Marajinhah
12:51.00MarajintheCroc: My netbook can game!
12:51.09Synth3t1cwhat game Marajin
12:51.22Marajinum anything up to the sims 2 level of demand work ok on it
12:51.40Synth3t1clol sims 2
12:51.40theCrocI guess to each their own
12:51.51theCrocI like a little more monitor size when I game
12:52.00theCroc7-9" don't seem that apealing
12:52.06MarajinI'm just picking an example of graphical horsepower that's commonly recognized
12:52.07Synth3t1cdude i could make so much fun of you right now :O
12:52.16Marajinyou could try ;)
12:52.22Synth3t1csims 2 is like virtual life
12:52.31Synth3t1cyoure too geeky and nerdy to have a real fulfilling life
12:52.38Synth3t1cso you have to play virtual life instead
12:52.43Synth3t1cBAM
12:52.49theCrocIt's like Second life only sadder
12:52.51Marajinsays the man in the htc-linux irc room? :P
12:53.28theCrocpoint taken:P
12:53.28Synth3t1ci am up to study for a cell bio test
12:53.31theCrocbut seriously
12:53.44Synth3t1ci just happened to check out the site today and notice this irc
12:53.47Synth3t1cso i joined
12:53.47theCrocsims is the kind of thing my sister used to ask me to help her install
12:53.55MarajinI never said I play it, I just said it CAN play it ;)
12:53.59Synth3t1ctheCroc:  same here
12:54.05Synth3t1cnow hes back tracking
12:54.07Marajinmostly I play old DOS games and emulated roms on my netbook
12:54.17Synth3t1cDOTT anyone?
12:54.20theCrocand linux cant do that?
12:54.24Synth3t1cit can
12:54.31MarajinSynth3t1c: ever done scummvm on your HTC? :>
12:54.32theCroceither way
12:54.33Synth3t1ches just trying to shit on loonix for home use
12:54.37theCrocyour's is a special use case
12:54.39Synth3t1cwikki whaa?
12:54.46Marajinyeah linux CAN play older games
12:54.51Synth3t1cscummvm on my phone?
12:54.58MarajinSynth3t1c: ScummVM, it lets you play stuff like DOTT on your phone yeah
12:55.08Synth3t1cive used scummvm on my pc before
12:55.10Marajinthere's a windows mobile/embedded linux version
12:55.17Synth3t1choly crap lmao
12:55.21Synth3t1ci HAVE TO HAVE THAT
12:55.21Marajinit's awesome
12:55.26Marajinit's really really awesome
12:55.29Synth3t1cwhat are some other good dos games?
12:55.43theCrocwell there are the way old classics
12:55.48theCrocCommander Keen 4
12:55.50Marajinit'll play the discworld and kyrandia games too.. monkey island? stuff like that.
12:55.54Marajinhaha
12:55.56MarajinI remember commander keen
12:56.06MarajinI loved that game as a kid
12:56.11theCrocIt was on my first PC computer
12:56.11Synth3t1cwolfenstein 3d was badass
12:56.14theCrocand old 386
12:56.19theCrocyeah  loved that game
12:56.30Synth3t1cim jewish so i could identify with it LMAO
12:56.37Marajinhah :p
12:56.50Marajinanyone can identify with shooting the shit outta nazis
12:56.53Marajin'cept germans
12:57.03Marajinthey get sulky and try to put you in jail
12:57.08theCrochehe
12:57.20einandwolfenstein 3d, Doom2, Duke Nukem 3d och Quake1 är de revolutionernande spelen
12:57.26theCrocwell the Nazis are the stereotypical movie enemy
12:57.26Marajinthey do! they made Return to Castle Wolfenstein remove all nazi refences
12:57.32theCroconedimensional and just plain evil
12:57.37Marajinit became a game about cultists instead
12:57.40Marajinand blood can't be red
12:57.57Synth3t1ci never played that
12:58.02Synth3t1cthey removed the nazi stuff?!
12:58.03MarajinI love the germans but sometimes I'm like 'dudes, get over it, nobody else cares anymore'
12:58.27theCrocSome of them are still alive
12:58.32Marajinso?
12:58.38Marajinthe pope was a hitler youth
12:58.42theCrocit's going to take atleast another generation before they start getting over it
12:59.06theCrocbesides the world wont stop talking about it so it's a bit hard for them to forget
12:59.22MarajinI don't want them to forget, I want them to accept that it's not a big deal in modern culture
12:59.39Marajinyou don't have to be mortally afraid of the hitler salute or a swastika
12:59.51MarajinI think most younger germans really don't care but it's the government/laws that do
12:59.57theCrocwell then you have Israel going B-b-b-b-b-but Holocaust! Every time someone criticises them
12:59.59Synth3t1ceinand: varför dont du tala engelsk?
13:00.13Synth3t1ctheCroc: lol theyve never done that
13:00.15Synth3t1cand on top of that
13:00.33Synth3t1cthey were one of the few countries who denied monetary settlement from germany post world war 2
13:00.48theCrocwell ok not Israel themselves
13:00.53einandSynth3t1c: sorry i dident see at first this was an english channe, (i was speaking about the same topic in another channel)
13:00.59theCrocbut theis apologists have a tendency to do it
13:01.01Marajinna, warum nicht, englisch sind ein doof sprachen! :p or something, been years since I had to speak german
13:01.25einandwas writing in swedish ;)
13:01.28Synth3t1ctheCroc: evidence plz?
13:01.34MarajinI guessed it wasn't german yeah
13:01.36Synth3t1ceinand: äsch den er göra sval
13:01.36theCroceither way germany will come around soon enough
13:01.43theCrocjust give them another half century
13:01.55Marajinbut I dunno swedish, English, French, German and Mandarin
13:02.01theCrocI don't want to get into an israel discussion here
13:02.08Synth3t1cokay lol
13:02.09Marajiner *dunno Swedish. English
13:02.13Synth3t1cyou brought it up
13:02.13Marajinthat . is important :P
13:02.20einandMarajin: så jo known about swahili ;)
13:02.21theCrocI shouldn't have mentioned it at all
13:02.41einandso ju do
13:02.43einandi menat
13:02.47Marajinmore of an idea about gujarti to be honest ;)
13:03.35Synth3t1ceinand: är din engelsk verkligen dålig eller er du rättvis leker?
13:03.53theCrocSå vem här inne pratar svenska på riktigt?
13:04.44Marajinit's pretty fun how much of other languages to you half read if you know a coupla european languages
13:04.47Synth3t1ctheCroc: din moder
13:05.02Marajinif you know french and german you understand about half of the languages spoke throughout most of europe
13:06.05theCroc:P
13:06.45Synth3t1canyone ready for SWGEmu to be finished?
13:06.59Synth3t1canother few weeks and its done
13:07.01Synth3t1c:D
13:07.31captnoordstarwars emu?
13:07.45Synth3t1cremember star wars galaxies?
13:07.47Synth3t1cthe MMO?
13:07.47captnoordI tought that mmo emu's are hard to actualy finish
13:08.03Synth3t1cthey have a few things to finish
13:08.07Synth3t1cmission terminals
13:08.12Synth3t1cbuildings
13:08.20Synth3t1cand auction system
13:08.21captnoordis it stable
13:08.27captnoordhow many players can it handle?
13:08.28Synth3t1cyes
13:08.33captnoordhow stable is it
13:08.34captnoordas in
13:08.40captnoordhours / player count
13:08.54captnoordI mean
13:08.54Synth3t1cno clue, they have been resetting the server a lot making various updates
13:08.58captnoordcan it handle 1000 players
13:09.03captnoord24 / 7
13:09.14captnoordk
13:09.16Synth3t1ctheres about 50-200 people on at any giventime right now
13:09.26captnoordk
13:09.27Synth3t1cbut thats only because theres no real game as of yet
13:09.38Synth3t1cjust an npc giving you any item you want
13:09.40Synth3t1cand dualing
13:09.43captnoordlol
13:09.45captnoordthen
13:09.45Synth3t1cits a glorified chatroom as of now
13:09.49captnoordits far from finished
13:10.06Synth3t1cmissions, auctions, and player buildings are all thats left
13:10.13Synth3t1cthere are enemies you can go fight
13:10.15Synth3t1cbut whats the point
13:10.30captnoord14:06Synth3t1canyone ready for SWGEmu to be finished? 14:06Synth3t1canother few weeks and its done
13:10.31captnoordi'm like
13:10.32captnoordnope
13:10.37captnoordI give it like 5 months
13:10.38captnoordor so
13:10.41Synth3t1cnope
13:10.42captnoordmaybe then
13:10.46captnoordwe will see
13:10.58Synth3t1cdude buildings should be done already, or by the end of the week
13:11.05Synth3t1cby saturday id say
13:11.18Synth3t1cnpcs are already walking around and shit
13:11.34Synth3t1cthere are guards
13:11.50Synth3t1cetc...
13:12.10Synth3t1cwhat would take 5 mos?
13:12.28captnoordyou will see dude
13:14.22Synth3t1clol
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13:23.27excowhat's the opposite command of "addlist" in haret?
13:27.04Synth3t1csomeone learn me how to install android on my raphael
13:27.09Synth3t1cits sprint
13:27.36Synth3t1cedit: fuck i dont use linux :(
13:29.23theCrocon the android you just unpack it to the root of your internal memory and run haret.exe
13:29.28captnoordexco: clearlist?
13:29.43theCrocthe raphael is pretty similar from what I understand
13:29.54theCrocon the diamond I mean:P
13:30.04Marajinexcept you use the SD card yeah
13:30.10Synth3t1cthe instructions say i need osx or linux
13:30.30Marajinwhat for? partitioning?
13:30.36Marajinor usbnet maybe/
13:31.41Synth3t1cdno
13:33.53theCrocSynth3t1c: http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=58&task=view.download&cid=24
13:34.01theCrocjust follow those instructions
13:34.16Synth3t1coh snap
13:34.18Synth3t1cthanks
13:34.19Synth3t1c:D
13:34.44theCrocjust remember to do the soft reset
13:34.54theCrocI don't know why it matters but it does
13:35.05theCrocotherwise android freezes mid bood
13:35.12theCrocmid-boot
13:35.33Synth3t1cweird
13:35.53theCrocyou'll find it still pretty useless though
13:35.55theCrocas I said
13:35.57theCrocno sound
13:36.02theCrocno microphone
13:36.08theCrocand no dataconnection
13:36.11excocaptnoord: clearlist
13:36.12excoUnknown keyword: `clearlist'
13:36.19theCrocbasicaly only SMS works as it should
13:38.21Synth3t1ctheCroc: im just gonna fuck around with it, no biggie
13:38.32theCrocthats what I do
13:38.37theCroctry to see what works
13:38.48theCrochopefully I will be able to use it a s a dev phone soon
13:39.08theCrocto test apps I make
13:40.47Synth3t1cso how do i get started with helping to write code for it?
13:41.46theCrochttp://developer.android.com/
13:41.58Synth3t1cno i mean to port it to raphael
13:41.59theCrocget the sdk and eclipse
13:42.01theCrocoh
13:42.08theCrocthat I have no ide:P
13:42.19theCrocI'm not involved in that at all
13:42.47theCrocOh and one more important thing!
13:42.53theCrocDisable your pin!
13:43.15theCrocandroid will ask for it but wont accept the one you give
13:43.33theCrocso just disable it in winmo to avoid that problem
13:43.49excoSynth3t1c: setup a development environment and start porting
13:44.05Synth3t1cmy pin?
13:44.17theCrocwell if you have one
13:44.25excoSynth3t1c: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BuildTheRaphaelKernel
13:44.26Synth3t1ci dont know what that is :O
13:44.57theCrocsome operators give you a 4 digit code to access the sim-card every time the phone boots
13:45.12Synth3t1cno sim card
13:45.13Synth3t1cim sprint
13:45.15theCrocoh
13:45.20theCrocyou have one of those operators
13:45.23theCrocthen I dont know
13:45.29theCroctry it
13:45.50Synth3t1csoft resetting now
13:45.50theCrocdont know if android will complain about the lack of a sim card
13:45.55Synth3t1ci forgot to d/c the usb cable
13:46.11theCrocthat wont be a problem
13:46.32theCrocjust as long as you dont boot it with the cable connected still
13:46.34theCrocor something
13:48.08theCrocInot sure about thesignificance of that
13:48.24theCrocbut if the linux-boot fails just soft reset and try again
13:49.22Synth3t1cbooting now
13:49.48Synth3t1cit cannot find a whole bunch of shit
13:49.50Synth3t1cis that normal?
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13:50.35theCrochm
13:50.55Synth3t1cthe console curser is just sitting and blinking
13:51.12Synth3t1cand there is about 10 lines of cannot find /system/bin/blablabla
13:51.18theCrocdoes the tmp folder contain a tmp folder?
13:51.25Synth3t1cno?
13:51.26theCrocthat happened to me the first time I tried it
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13:51.31theCrocok
13:51.32theCrochm
13:51.35Synth3t1cand
13:52.00theCrocwell if it does then you need to move That tmp folder to the root of the mem card
13:52.08Synth3t1cit is in the root
13:52.17theCrocok
13:52.23Synth3t1ci launched tmp/boot/haret18
13:52.25Synth3t1cor something
13:52.26theCrocdo a soft reset and try again
13:52.35theCrocyeah that sounds about right
13:52.48Synth3t1csoft resetting
13:53.07theCrocmine had finding stuff issues the first time I tried it as well
13:53.08Marajinaaand the kaiser survives with 11% battery remaining :P
13:53.13Marajinunboxes his new shiny shiny
13:53.31theCrocnice
13:54.23Marajinwhoa the x1 is smaller than my kaiser
13:54.44theCrocit is a lot smaller than one expects
13:54.56Marajinno kidding
13:56.06Synth3t1cokay
13:56.08Synth3t1cso
13:56.14Synth3t1ci ran HaRET again
13:56.27Synth3t1cthis time, is default.txt okay?
13:56.37theCrocit should be
13:56.47theCrocthats what I
13:56.47theCroce
13:56.49Synth3t1ckk trying again
13:57.01Synth3t1csame shit dude
13:57.11Marajinwhoa
13:57.13Marajinfucking nice
13:57.13Synth3t1cshould i let it sit like that for a while?
13:57.16Marajinfree 4GB SDHC card!
13:57.24theCrocmaybe
13:57.35theCrocwhat does the screen look like?
13:57.49theCrocdid it do a little buzz?
13:58.29Marajinum yes?
13:59.01theCrocand it got to the screen with the penguin?
13:59.06Synth3t1cyea it did a little buzz
13:59.08Synth3t1cyea
13:59.20Synth3t1cfirst error
13:59.27Synth3t1cinit: cannot find /system/bin/sh
13:59.32theCrochm
13:59.38theCroctry an earlier build
13:59.45theCrochttp://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=58&task=view.download&cid=19
13:59.46Synth3t1csecond /system/bin/servicemanager
13:59.51theCroclike this one I guess
13:59.56theCrochm
13:59.58theCrocthat is weird
14:00.07MarajinI love this screen.. it's amazingly sharp
14:00.13Synth3t1cwhats the difference?
14:00.30theCrochttp://www.htc-android.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=109&sid=8041eee12b6b3b7ad618a717cc165f28
14:00.40excobtw anybody working on improving haret?
14:00.42theCrocthe one you are trying has a newer build of the kernel
14:01.09Synth3t1cok
14:01.12Synth3t1cso go one back?
14:01.24Synth3t1cill do the whole process with the olde rone
14:01.25theCrocwell check out the thread I sent you
14:01.31theCrocit might have something
14:02.24theCrocseems like more people have your issue
14:02.25Synth3t1cThe trick is to throw everything in the folder 'tmp' on the storage card.
14:02.57Synth3t1cno thats just wrong
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14:03.47theCrochere is one
14:03.57theCrocdo you have the RAPH100 or the RAPH800?
14:04.12theCrocapparently there are different packages for those
14:04.17Synth3t1chow do i know?
14:04.20theCrochttp://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=58&task=viewcategory&catid=4
14:04.24theCrocI'm not sure
14:04.37theCroccheck out the wiki at XDA-developers
14:04.45theCrocthere is probably a guide there
14:05.17theCrocmy guess is that sprint has one model and the rest have another since sprint doeanst use gsm (Or something like that)
14:05.19Synth3t1ci have 800
14:05.39theCrocthat would be your problem then it seems
14:05.57theCrocthere is one in the list for the 800
14:05.59theCroctry that one
14:07.12Synth3t1cdownloading now
14:08.29Synth3t1ccopying now
14:10.01Synth3t1csoft reset nowe
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14:12.18Synth3t1cwaiting for touchflo to start so i can boot up harem
14:12.27Synth3t1cif it doesnt work can i eat your children?
14:12.47Synth3t1crunning haret now
14:13.09Synth3t1csame shit dude
14:13.11Synth3t1c:\
14:13.20theCrocthen I dont know
14:13.26theCroclook through that tread
14:13.34theCrocmaybe there is a solution there
14:14.10Synth3t1cmaybe it isnt 800
14:14.15Synth3t1cno it is
14:14.27Synth3t1ci quit for now :O
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14:20.02Marajin.. man after the kaiser this thingy is dreamy
14:20.07MarajinAstainHasPS3: got my X1 a few minutes ago
14:23.13theCrocSynth3t1c: You might want to have a look at this: http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=58&task=view.download&cid=18
14:35.47AstainHasPS3nice Marajin
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14:39.55AstainHasPS3I hope to somehow make the athena 2 my next ppc
14:42.47MarajinI think I'm gonna be happy with my X1 for a while, it's working very nicely
14:42.51Marajinthe screen is awesome
14:44.18AstainHasPS3cool
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14:46.02AstainHasPS3http://i.gizmodo.com/5169224/what-in-wired-hell-is-this
14:47.05lupine_85800x480 ?
14:48.39Marajinyeah
14:48.45Marajinbut it's smaller than my kaiser
14:48.54Marajinso I've gone from QVGA to WVGA on the same size of screen
14:50.39lupine_85my raph had 287dpi
14:50.41lupine_85was insanely good
14:51.04AstainHasPS3I love the raph its so beautiful screen
14:51.53lupine_85ugh, I'm going down to QVGA myself, it seems
14:53.31Marajinheh
14:53.40Marajinwell hte x1 only has a 3" screen too
14:55.32Marajin310 dpi basically
14:56.21lupine_85nice
14:56.25lupine_85but squinty :)
14:56.44Marajinamazingly, not, I read it quite clearly in stuff like opera
14:57.51AstainHasPS3http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/03/13/zer01-is-the-new-contract-less-mvno-that-will-bring-voip-to-the/
15:05.10AstainHasPS3Marajin how much did you play with android on your kaiser?
15:16.28MarajinAstainHasPS3: quite a bit why?
15:16.37AstainHasPS3curious how well it worked for you?
15:18.49Marajinwell, the google acounting syncing, wouldn't
15:19.05Marajinit constantly bombarded me with some thread crashing messages
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15:19.17Marajinthe SD card had some buffer issues
15:19.37Marajinand things like the browser would crash for no forseeable reason
15:19.50Marajinbut otherwise, it acutally worked well
15:19.53Marajinit was fast/responsive
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15:22.21AstainHasPS3cool
15:23.02power_usrAstainHasPS3 - I got angstrom booting
15:23.36power_usrWasn't sure what to do once I logged is as root, though.
15:23.42power_usrBut still cool to see
15:24.20AstainHasPS3lol
15:24.42power_usrIs there a way to load a gui, with "xstart" or something?
15:25.14AstainHasPS3I dont know if anyones gotten x working on raph you can try running a startx
15:26.47power_usrOK thanks.
15:27.24power_usrAny other progress from last night with maejrep?
15:27.32power_usrafter i left?
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15:34.56sroeckeri built angstrom for the kaiser (actually htcvogue, but all kaiser code is now in vogue branch)
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15:41.47AstainHasPS3nope power_usr maejrep said he would play with it a bit today
15:41.57power_usrok
15:42.17AstainHasPS3did I mention I did get it to launch though?
15:42.35AstainHasPS3(android)
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15:51.12sroeckerpower_usr: did you build the angstrom image yourself?
15:51.19power_usrnope
15:51.26power_usroh yeah?
15:51.28power_usrhow?
15:51.33power_usrAstainHasPS3
15:51.47power_usrsroecker: I got angstrom build from maejrep
15:51.56AstainHasPS3yep power_usr if I didnt include the smd_7500 in the kernel and used my options I had for default with the right mtype it worked perfect
15:52.08sroeckermine doesn't boot :/
15:52.28power_usrWhat build of Android are you using AstainHasPS3?
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15:54.13AstainHasPS3power_usr one of the latest from http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=58&task=viewcategory&catid=4
15:54.42power_usrOK.  I got mine booting too with the Feb 3rd build
15:54.56power_usrBut the color isn't good on that old build
15:56.35AstainHasPS3yes I built my own zImage with the new color stuffs but without the smd_7500 stuffs
15:56.43power_usryup ok
15:56.56power_usrThanks for the clarification
15:57.04power_usrIs this zImage build available for download :)
15:59.06AstainHasPS3I can place it somewhere for you
15:59.12power_usrThat would be great
15:59.15power_usrmaybe later though?
15:59.22power_usri have something for the next 3 hrs
15:59.33power_usrwill be out starting in 1 min
16:02.00AstainHasPS3filedropper.com/zImage
16:02.10AstainHasPS3when ever you wanna grab it feel free
16:02.47power_usrgot it.  thanks
16:02.50power_usrgotta run now
16:03.16power_usrI'll check in later and let you know how it works
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16:39.41einandSynth3t1c: ?
16:40.04einandSynth3t1c: i was totaly out of sync with my english
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18:02.04Ben-hi folk
18:02.12AstainHasPS3hi
18:02.30Ben-anything new about linux/android on blackstone?
18:02.41AstainHasPS3not that I've seen
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18:07.09lupine_85wonders if something like haret would work on an e71
18:07.19lupine_85they're arm11 chips themselves by the looks of it
18:07.24AstainHasPS3e71 huh?
18:07.36lupine_85mmm
18:07.44lupine_85kind of all I can get hold of right now
18:07.59AstainHasPS3damn ouch but atleast its a decent phone
18:08.02tmztnokia?
18:08.07lupine_85but will likely be back to HTC after 12 months of that
18:08.07lupine_85aye
18:08.17tmztwith ce
18:08.29AstainHasPS3tmzt huh?
18:08.34lupine_85symbian
18:09.01tmztoh, haret would need ported then
18:10.09lupine_85mmm, quite. I think the main question is whether it'd be able to do the disabling of interrupts and MMU
18:10.13tmztast, any idea on smd7500?
18:10.45AstainHasPS3not sure... did you see what power_usr and I were talking about earlier?
18:13.07tmztno
18:14.16tmztlupine_85: you have e71 now?
18:14.28tmztAstainHasPS3: will read logs
18:14.55AstainHasPS3k
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18:16.14kiozenhi tsdogs
18:16.22kiozenno translation for waypoint?
18:16.25tsdogshi kiozen
18:16.27tsdogsnope
18:16.37tsdogswaypoint stays waypoint :)
18:16.42kiozenok :)
18:17.13tsdogsliteral would be "punto di passaggio" but imho nobody would understand :)
18:17.50kiozenwe had the same problem in german for track
18:18.14kiozenit's great to see GT with all these different languages
18:18.20kiozenreal fun to compare
18:18.44tsdogsI now have my app translated to chinese which is lot's of fun :)
18:19.02kiozenyes that must look interesting
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18:19.26kiozenandrew told me that someone is working on russian translation
18:19.51tsdogscool
18:20.19tsdogsho I forgot to mention the few more errors ...
18:20.24kiozenhave to show my wife later :)
18:20.37tsdogslol
18:20.41tsdogsTrackStartTraineeWidget: heardrate [bpm], heart rate [bpm]
18:20.41kiozenyou have a patch?
18:20.42tsdogsIMapSearchWidget: Gray Threshold -> Grey ...
18:20.51tsdogsonly this 2 I found
18:21.02kiozenarg yes gray/grey
18:21.11kiozenI always get confused
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18:22.16kiozenis it ok to put you to the translation credits section?
18:22.42tsdogssure
18:23.03tsdogsso there's someone to blame for a poor translation :)
18:23.08tsdogsbrb
18:23.20kiozenook
18:24.57tsdogsback
18:25.48kiozenlocales is a good idea
18:26.21kiozenhowever it_IT seems to be the common desktop scheme
18:26.27tsdogsalso translations would do
18:26.28kiozendon'r know why
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18:26.43tsdogs'cause there is a Swiss italian
18:27.01kiozenyes that makes sense
18:27.09tsdogsbut imho there is no much difference in the language, only the money and so on is different
18:27.42kiozenfor german some words would be different
18:28.00kiozenand you could convert to slang :)
18:28.05tsdogslol
18:28.19tsdogsI saw some strage locale on launchpad ...
18:29.52tsdogshttps://translations.launchpad.net/+languages/pms
18:30.06tsdogsthis is slang :)
18:30.55kiozenlol "Piemontese has no team or person registered as an expert. "
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18:32.33kiozengray is correct
18:37.37tmztast I ttried disabling the diag, still reboot after android logo
18:37.43tmztAstainHasPS3:
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18:40.20power_usrAstainEEE AstainHasPS3 - the zImage you sent me works on RAPH800
18:42.08kiozentsdogs: hehe wife is struggling, too much tech lingo :)
18:42.44tsdogsreally? lol.
18:43.08tsdogshmm, could be.
18:43.16AstainHasPS3tmzt disable the smd_7500 then it will boot into android
18:43.32AstainHasPS3something with the smd_7500 code reads an intercept for something and causes a reboot
18:44.21kiozenyes she never used a computer in school
18:45.42tsdogsho, I thought I was too techie :)
18:46.36tsdogsnow, I'll try to use it and see what really is badly translated...
18:46.45kiozenlol
18:47.51kiozenall translators told me they have found functions in GT the y never dreamed about :)
18:48.15power_usrAstainHasPS3: So now I can boot into Android on my RAPH800 and play with it.  Perfect colors.
18:48.48tmztpower_usr: do you have smd7500 enabled?
18:49.02power_usrI have a build from AstainHasPS3
18:49.11power_usrSo I guess it is disabled
18:49.20tmztAstainHasPS3:
18:49.52AstainHasPS3yes?
18:50.03tmztare you using a linux host, pow:?
18:50.30tmztAstainHasPS3: is smd7500 enabled in powusr's buld?
18:50.47tsdogskiozen: yep, that's the same for me, but I don't have all that experience with this kind of sw
18:51.47kiozentsdogs: yes, all that map creation stuff has heavy geek factor
18:52.35power_usrNope I'm on Windows
18:52.43power_usrI copied over files via ActiveSync
18:53.18power_usrto the tmp directory.  Every file is the same as Feb 3rd build, except for ZImage from AstainHasPS3 and the config file from maejrep (mostly just MTYPE)
18:53.44tmztok
18:54.51tsdogskiozen: either my translation is very buggy, or there is something strange in the osm->img process
18:55.23AstainHasPS3tmzt the build I gave power_usr has smd_7500 off
18:55.55tsdogsthe way I live in is a highway, but all the others are borders :(
18:56.04power_usrThe keyboard didn't seem to work when I tried it
18:56.15tmztwhich mtype?
18:56.26kiozentsdogs: you use img from osm?
18:56.47power_usrset MTYPE 2039
18:56.55kiozensometimes these are very badly coded
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18:56.56tsdogskiozen: don't remember anymore :) I think so
18:57.19kiozentsdogs: after all , street types are just numbers
18:57.23tsdogswell, it must be the conversion though, as I draw thoose streets
18:57.35kiozenif these are wrong you live on a highway
18:58.28tsdogskiozen: I think I got this one http://downloads.cloudmade.com/europe/italy#breadcrumbs
18:58.47tsdogstransforming the osm2img using java is impossible :)
18:59.34kiozennot impossible but a challenge ;)
18:59.57tsdogslol
19:00.17tsdogsone I miserably failed!
19:00.18kiozentsdogs: if you have DEM data the real fun starts: http://www.qlandkarte.org/shot13.png
19:00.34kiozenthinks java sucks
19:00.53tsdogskiozen: yeah I think I need to get the data
19:01.03tsdogsopencyclemap should have it ...
19:01.10tsdogsagrees
19:01.22kiozentsdogs: http://www.viewfinderpanoramas.org/dem3.html
19:02.06kiozentsdogs: in source tree of GT is a script srtmconvert.py
19:02.10tmztpower_usr: what MTYPE are you using?
19:02.19kiozenthat will show you how to convert data
19:02.24tsdogslol "slight local terracing and pockets of inaccuracy, especially in Italy. "
19:02.25power_usrtmzt: 2039
19:02.38power_usrtmzt: this is what maejrep told us to use, and the wiki says so too
19:03.10tsdogskiozen: ok, my next exercise :)
19:03.29tsdogsHow do I know which one I need ?
19:04.26tsdogsok, it's lon/lat in the name :)
19:04.30kiozenyes :)
19:05.34kiozentsdogs:  another one, garmin map with typ file and dem shading as overlay: http://www.qlandkarte.org/shot14.png
19:05.43kiozensame are as 3D view
19:05.59kiozenit's a free map of south tirol
19:06.28tsdogswhere the heck did you find it?
19:06.59kiozentsdogs: http://www.maptk.dnsalias.com/Maps/
19:07.20tsdogsthx
19:07.23kiozenand using DEM data for complete alps
19:07.54kiozenit's pretty good but has some errors with elevation lines
19:07.57tmztpower_usr: keyboard doesn't work with that MTYPE?
19:08.03kiozengradient algo failes misserably
19:08.19power_usrtmzt: I'll check
19:08.36kiozentsdogs: hope one day we get that quality on a mobile device :)
19:09.01tmztthe other mtypes are for diam which doesn't have a keyboard
19:09.11power_usrtmzt: what is best app to test keyboard in?
19:09.32tmztin android?
19:09.36power_usrtmzt: yup
19:09.46tmztI guess notes or browser
19:10.09power_usrtmzt: ok it does work
19:10.10tsdogskiozen: not that far away imho
19:10.11power_usrtmzt: my bad
19:10.26power_usrtmzt: it wasn't working in a version of angstrom i guess. but i tihnk that must have been an old one
19:10.47tmztit should work in angstrom
19:10.48power_usrtmzt: shift and caps key don't appear to work
19:10.58kiozentsdogs: hm, still far away from rendering garmin maps fast enought
19:11.00tmztleds don't
19:11.06power_usrtmzt: oh they do if I hold down shift
19:11.17power_usrtmzt: a bit different behavior than Windows Mobile
19:11.36tsdogskiozen: outside the trunk?
19:11.47tsdogsfor the srtm..?
19:12.04power_usrThis android is damn cool
19:12.05kiozentsdogs: ??
19:12.13power_usrtmzt: clock even works now!
19:12.29tmztnow we need data
19:12.51tsdogskiozen: "in source tree of GT is a script srtmconvert.py" i cannot find it in svn...
19:12.58power_usrthat is true.  I think maejrep has made some initial steps that way.  Data works on Vogue CDMA, so it can't be too far off
19:13.06kiozentsdogs: yes in ztrunk
19:13.34tsdogshmm.
19:13.51tmztvogue is a different device, I would like to know how dzo got that working though
19:14.11tsdogsok found it, dunno why find couldn't locate it ...
19:14.18tmztparticularly how it works with DIAG
19:14.52power_usryeah, but Qualcomm chipset is supposedly similar
19:14.59power_usrthe MSM chipset
19:15.14kiozentsdogs: you might need to tweak it a bit, i used it to convert all 1'' SRTM tiles of the alps
19:15.38tsdogsit just finished creating the tiff
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19:16.03tsdogskiozen: is it the srtm.tif?
19:16.28kiozentsdogs: yes
19:16.42kiozenfor garmin maps any projection should do
19:16.44tsdogshmm, it looks odd :)
19:16.47AstainHasPS3tmzt I do know dzo is very good at responding to emails with any questions
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19:17.03kiozentsdogs: in an image viewer?
19:17.16kiozentsdogs: is 16bit per point
19:17.24tsdogsno in GT...
19:17.38kiozenyes if you open it as map
19:17.54kiozentsdogs: activate the garmin map
19:18.12kiozentsdogs: rightclick the the map in the map list
19:18.17kiozen"Add DEM..."
19:18.59kiozennow you should see elevation with coordinat
19:19.08kiozenin right bottom
19:19.17power_usri couldn't send a text message.  i had heard murmurs that text messages would work
19:19.25power_usrbut I guess not
19:19.59kiozentsdogs: if that works3D gadget and shading will work, too
19:20.01AstainHasPS3power_usr sms won't work without the smd7500
19:20.13tsdogskiozen: http://195.32.70.240/tsdogs/screenshots/qlandkartegt1.png
19:21.01power_usrAstainHasPS3: Oh ok, thanks.  Do ppl know why smd7500 is a problem on RAPH800?
19:21.16kiozentsdogs: looks good but your status bar looks wrong
19:21.30kiozenand menu is funny too
19:21.47AstainHasPS3power_usr:  dunno maejrep said he would try to look at things today
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19:21.58tsdogskiozen: yeah, same problem I showed you. I have the coordinates over the menu
19:22.20tsdogswhy is everything white :)
19:22.25kiozentsdogs: if you go to config... there is a tab "keys"
19:22.47kiozentsdogs: zoom level is to far away
19:23.08kiozentsdogs: the more you zoom out the less details (polylines, polygons)
19:23.22kiozenyou can use the detail +- on the map to change that
19:23.46tsdogsok, I navigated inside it, but it still looks funny with all that white :)
19:24.09kiozentsdogs: right now 2d and 3D view are linked together
19:24.23kiozenyou see in 3D what you see in 2D
19:26.09tsdogskiozen: http://195.32.70.240/tsdogs/screenshots/qlandkartegt2.png
19:26.12tsdogsthis looks better
19:27.19tsdogsI need a better base map.
19:29.38tsdogskiozen: thx. gg now. I'll let u know about my tests :)
19:29.52kiozenok, bbl
19:32.16kiozentsdogs: you can do the same with ---osm---
19:32.48tsdogskiozen: u mean without the img?
19:33.04kiozenyes
19:33.22kiozenjust add the srtm to --osm---
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19:34.16tsdogsok but I do not see anything if I activate the osm layer
19:34.54kiozennothing to see at N0 E0
19:34.55tsdogslol key should be Tasti and not Chiavi :)
19:35.24kiozenuse search to move map to your area
19:38.05tsdogskiozen: no idea how to search :)
19:38.41tsdogsok never mind :)
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19:39.57tsdogskiozen: I should reproject the geotif?
19:41.50tsdogsok gg
19:46.17Marajinwheeee, wvga broke something
19:46.43Marajin(it screws up scummvm's cursor positioning cause of the aspect ratio)
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19:50.11captnoordMarajin: ya got it?
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19:57.06AstainHasPS3makes sense that it would breaks stuff Marajin
20:05.29Marajinum, how do you soft reset an x1
20:05.35Marajinand yeah I got it captnoord
20:05.37Marajinthe screen is awesome
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20:06.06captnoordand it boots?
20:06.13AstainHasPS3Marajin you ever had a vga/wvga device before?
20:06.18Marajinno
20:06.22MarajinQVGA all the way
20:06.22AstainHasPS3soft reset hmm pull battery?
20:06.23captnoordk
20:06.30Marajinwell I had some palms that were HVGA
20:06.39AstainHasPS3damn yah my first vga was axim x51v that was nice
20:06.50AstainHasPS3then got raph100 then raph800 vga ftw
20:06.57Marajinheh
20:07.05Marajinthe quality of the screen is ludicrously nice
20:07.15AstainHasPS3its amazing the difference vga makes over qvga
20:07.42MarajinI've gone from QVGA to WVGA though :P
20:07.45Marajinit's even bigger
20:07.56MarajinI open opera now and go '....ye gods, I can SEE the website'
20:08.12captnoordhehe
20:08.12AstainHasPS3eh I kinda wonder how big it is I've only seen wqvga qvga and vga so far...
20:08.14Marajinand fucking hell is the UI more responsive than the kaiser was..
20:08.30captnoordyea better software I bet
20:08.30captnoordP
20:08.43MarajinAstainHasPS3: well 640x480 -> 800x480, it's a 160 pixels innit
20:08.46Marajinbut at 3" ?
20:08.51Marajinthe DPI is like 310
20:09.22AstainHasPS3yah didnt lupine_85 say raph is like 290ish dpi?
20:09.41Marajinalso, I love the fact the X1 has a standard 3.5mm jack for headphones
20:10.04AstainHasPS3that is nice if you use headphones much
20:11.03AstainHasPS3would love to see a ppc with something like wxvga or better on it something like the athena2 with that type of screen
20:11.10Marajinwell the nice thing is you can charge and use headphones/mic at the same time without buying a bit off ebay
20:11.51AstainHasPS3my raph800 came with it can't recall if the 100 did
20:12.06Marajinya know the x1 has a built in usb mass storage mode?
20:12.46AstainHasPS3yah all the new gen of htc phones have that one
20:13.04Marajinah I haven't really played with anything newer than the kaiser yet
20:13.10Marajinso it's all new to me
20:13.21Marajinheh, htc kovsky?
20:13.21AstainHasPS3ahh yah true
20:13.39AstainHasPS3actually there were ppl that backported the usb mass storage mode to kaiser gen
20:16.49Marajinwoo for working tom tom I think
20:17.14AstainHasPS3tomtom didn't work for you on kaiser?
20:17.19Marajinamazingly it doesn't wig out about WVGA
20:17.23Marajinerm sure but it's laggy on kaiser
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20:17.49AstainHasPS3it wasn't laggy for me on kaiser hmm
20:18.04Marajinit was.. the hardware accel issue
20:18.18Marajinit was well known that it actually ran smoother on older devices than the kaiser
20:18.36AstainHasPS3ahh ic
20:18.42AstainHasPS3the actual graphics
20:19.11Marajinyeah
20:19.29Marajinactually the route finding and name searching is majorly faster on the x1 but I guess it would be
20:20.04AstainHasPS3faster newer gen proc could do that
20:36.44Marajinyeah I know
20:36.49Marajinhmm I can't get any GPS signal at all
20:36.52Marajinworrisome that
20:37.05Marajinand the external gps settings panel keeps going back to '(none)'
20:38.51AstainHasPS3on the hardware tab of it?
20:40.04Marajinyes
20:40.17AstainHasPS3thats supposed to be none
20:40.40Marajinthey say no device till I set it to com0 (it does go back to (none) again automatically though
20:40.52Marajinit does see the gps now but just no satellites
20:40.53Marajinwhee
20:41.04Marajinmy kaiser could sometimes get a fix even indoors, it certainly saw at least a sat or two
20:55.08Marajinoh.. it's found itself
20:55.15Marajinit must have wanted a cold start warm up period
20:55.26Marajinit's gone from having NFC to finding 7 satellites in the MIDDLE of the house now
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20:55.49AstainEEEnot too shabby
20:55.59AstainEEEwell time to go home yay!
20:56.00Marajinthat's downright impressive
20:56.04Marajinenjoy
20:56.06Marajinsee ya later AstainEEE
20:57.35AstainEEEsee yah
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21:11.11Marajinok google are starting to worry me now
21:14.57captnoord?
21:14.59captnoordhow come?
21:15.05Marajinya seen 'google voice' ?
21:15.14Marajinkeeping your voicemails and transcribing them
21:15.17captnoordnope
21:15.22captnoordlol
21:15.40captnoordgoes paranoid
21:21.18cr2Marajin: +aes256, and goggle will be happy transcribing ;)
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21:25.16Marajincr2: hah :p
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22:44.11tmztmaejrep: Ast: I don't mean that diag not being there is the cause of crash, I THINK that it is because it is trying to talk qualcomm DM over smd1 which is ppp with your patches, and failing. If it fails to open smd1 at all it appears to ignore it
22:45.35tmztit shuts off for me also, not reboot, if the usb is plugged in the usb charge light pattern appears but the phone is off
22:47.36tmztmaejrep: I also get a number of ena messages but it doesn't crash
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22:54.57tmzt* ARM:mx51 Add CONFIG_ARCH_MXC_CANONICAL to disable parts of Freescale's code
23:07.43cr2tmzt: what does mxc have to do with msm ?
23:08.09tmztnothing, but this is apparently a new "netbook" being developed for ubuntu mobile
23:08.25tmztit will also be used in some phones, possibly the new Motorola android ones
23:12.39cr2ok
23:13.33tmztI just saw it in my ubuntu kernel changelog
23:16.24captnoordre
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23:22.32no2chemhey, anyone know how to turn on kb bkl on raph800/500?
23:23.42no2chemwiki says 0xCC, 0x40, 0x00, 0x40 but this only works on raph100?
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