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00:00.26tmztMiosc: oh, so you where building big-endian binaries?
00:01.56Miosctmzt: dont know, 'b' in teb stands for big endian?
00:02.28Miosci couldnt find any info on t, te, teb
00:02.44tmztyeah, it's what nslu uses in the default fw and compatible ones
00:02.46Miosci just figured pxa270 is a v5te
00:03.02tmztt is thumb or thumb interworking, don't know what e is
00:03.04Miosctmzt: oh i see
00:03.26dcordescool. also been wondering what the letters say
00:03.51dcordestmzt: do you recall the X problem with msm_fb you helped me with?
00:04.15tmztmaybe, what do you mean
00:04.52dcordeswell X does not start on the msm devices. and that's still not solved
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00:05.42dcordessomebody said it might be the framebuffer driver not refreshing the display in X
00:05.58dcordesBabelO: hi there
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00:24.11KensanMiosc: ah good you solved that issue.
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00:27.52tmztdcordes: yeah, where did you send that mail to? (msm_fb)
00:47.24dcordestmzt: regarding the display refresh? idk if it was a mail. just came to mind that somebody mentioned it.
00:48.33tmztdcordes: no, I must have missed your question
00:48.48tmztstefan_schmidt mentioned you sent an email, and he gave me a link
00:48.53tmzthttp://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003320.html
00:49.09stefan_schmidtdcordes: just on my way to reply
00:49.32stefan_schmidtdcordes: folding in other feedback I got from ph5 and Robert Jarzmik
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08:52.51dcordessomebodz knows about availability of qct msm7
08:53.27dcordess/msm7/msm7* AT command reference documentation?/
09:08.37PPPWant to try Linux on BlueAngel. Should I follow instructions at http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngelHowtoInstallLinux ?
09:12.56tmztdcordes: which commands? most cdma at commands are documented in pdf's available through google searches
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09:41.16dcordestmzt: I mean the propietary htc ones
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10:09.18tmztdcordes: how is the fso work going?
10:09.38dcordestmzt: this moment I am browsing for documentation on the command sets
10:12.35dcordesand I would like to find out how to establish the 3g connection
10:15.05tmztat dumps on ce haven't helped with that?
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10:18.58dcordestmzt: I wonder if there is some nice doku and well formatted tables :)
10:19.23tmztwell, that would be nice
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10:34.55dcordesHKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\ATDbgLog
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10:38.03dcordestmzt: you know where are good tables with the official standardized command sets for gsm 3g cdma.. don't know how the different standards are named exactly
10:38.27dcordesI want to sort out where the htc msm7* differ from the conventions
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10:39.03tmztno, I have only seen a pdf with information on cdma at commands for machine-to-machine interfaces
10:42.54dcordestmzt: machine to machine?
10:43.22tmztlike drink vending machines or trucks calling home
10:43.33tmztm2m
10:43.47tmztbasically serial port connected qualcomm msm chips
10:44.01tmztpackaged as a modem with a gps receiver
10:44.10dcordesoh I see. so basically where there is no human user directly involved in the communication?
10:44.16tmztyes
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10:56.44dcordestmzt: AT+HTCCTZR AT+HTCCNIV AT@HTCDORMANCYSET AT@HTCPDPFD
10:56.53dcordestmzt: I have no clue how I would find out what these do
10:57.09dcordes11:35:18 Tx:AT+HTCNV=1,12,6\r
10:57.09dcordes11:35:18 Rx:0\r
10:57.09dcordes11:35:18 Tx:AT+HSDPA=1\r
10:57.09dcordes11:35:18 Rx:0\r
10:57.09dcordes11:35:19 Tx:AT+HTCCTZR=0\r
10:57.12dcordes11:35:19 Rx:0\r
10:57.14dcordes11:35:19 Tx:AT+HTCCNIV=0\r
10:57.17dcordes11:35:19 Rx:0\r
10:57.19dcordes11:35:19 Tx:AT@HTCDORMANCYSET=3\r
10:57.20tmztHSPDA
10:57.22dcordes11:35:19 Rx:0\r
10:57.24dcordes11:35:19 Tx:AT@HTCPDPFD=0\r
10:57.27dcordes11:35:19 Rx:0\r
10:57.29dcordes11:35:19 Tx:AT+HTCAGPS=5\
10:57.37dcordesgoogle gives no info about them
10:57.50tmzttry changing your visible/invisible gps setting
10:57.51dcordesHTCAGPS is quite clear
10:58.15tmztHSPDA might be what you need for 3g
10:58.16dcordeswhat's visible/invisible gps settings?
10:58.29tmzte911 mode
10:58.41tmztlocation based services
10:59.11tmztcan you try the ? form of those in minicom?
10:59.25tmzt(or putty if it works)
10:59.27dcordesthey always make the modem reply info on the command, right?
10:59.33dcordesno I will boot linux
10:59.34tmztthey should
10:59.52dcordesI will make a few more dbg logs
11:00.21dcordeswill add one with logging in to 3g net
11:00.27dcordesinternet
11:00.32tmztsome maybe in android source?
11:01.07dcordesI have the latest sources to the vogue phone code in android from dzo
11:01.18dcordesI asked him if I can distribute them but he did not reply yet
11:01.53tmztwell, I mean google source code
11:01.53dcordesI don't know where's the phone code for the g1
11:02.10dcordesI didn't think of it in the first plce :)
11:02.11tmztandroid.git.kernel.org
11:02.29dcordesril.git ?
11:07.12tmztioctl(s_fd, OMAP_CSMI_TTY_ACK, &s_readCount) that's what he meant
11:07.42dcordeshttp://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/hardware/ril.git;a=blob;f=reference-ril/reference-ril.c
11:08.03Kensandcordes: dont know if this is of any use: http://www.traud.de/gsm/scan.htm
11:09.19dcordesKensan: great, thanks.
11:10.27Kensandcordes: another one but that's probably just fyi: http://gatling.ikk.sztaki.hu/~kissg/gsm/at+c.html
11:11.53dcordesKensan: that seems a useful source of info because it has everything with official standard conventions named
11:12.22Marajin<PROTECTED>
11:13.43dcordesMarajin: 'lo there
11:13.55Marajinhow's life?
11:14.09Kensanhm the code is sprayed with #ifdef WORKAROUND_ERRONEOUS_ANSWER
11:14.10Kensan:(
11:14.23dcordes:)
11:14.34Kensandcordes: but the source code show all the quirks of the chip so thats good :)
11:15.08dcordesKensan: it is for the msm7201A based dream
11:15.16dcordesaka g1 aka trout
11:15.32dcordes(in the code trout might appear in differnt places)
11:17.08dcordesif there are any differences to the msm72xx in the AT layer it will be only minor ones.
11:17.49Kensandcordes: yes, that's what think too, which is good for us.
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11:22.14dcordesKensan: list mailing still no worky for me :/
11:25.40dcordesI think dialing into HSDPA net is the very same as dialing into GPRS just with a different mode set
11:26.46dcordesthe \r mean you want a reply, no? what does the \n mean?
11:27.54tmztdcordes: \r is carriage return (0x0a), \n is newline
11:28.29tmzt<PROTECTED>
11:28.30tmzt0000000: 0a
11:28.40tmzt<PROTECTED>
11:28.41tmzt0000000: 0d
11:28.54tmztsorry, 0d is cr, \n is lf
11:30.16dcordestmzt: ok why is the system time sent every minute?
11:30.26tmztby?
11:30.28dcordess/sent/sent to the modem/
11:30.32tmztyou mean gsm time?
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11:30.48tmztcan you give me an example
11:31.05dcordes12:12:17 Tx:AT@SYSTEMTIME=12,12,16,2008,11,22\r
11:31.05dcordes12:12:17 Rx:0\r
11:31.05dcordes12:12:38 Rx:@HTCCSQ: 1\r\n
11:31.05dcordes12:13:17 Tx:AT@SYSTEMTIME=12,13,17,2008,11,22\r
11:31.07dcordes12:13:17 Rx:0\r
11:31.16dcordesAT@SYSTEMTIME
11:31.32tmztwell, I'd have to say that's backwards
11:32.01dcordesbackwards?
11:32.16tmztas in, those should be coming from the modem
11:32.29tmztcsq should be the signal strength
11:33.10tmztalso, ate0 is set, so 0 is OK
11:33.24tmztnot ate, but what ever it is
11:35.10dcordestmzt: I think the Tx lines are coming from the arm11 and the Rx ones from the arm9
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11:35.33tmztyes, I see that, just a little confused by the time thing
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11:38.25dcordesthis is the sequence of logging on to interwebz
11:38.33dcordesTx:AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","web.vodafone.de","",0,0\r
11:38.33dcordesRx:0\r
11:38.33dcordesTx:AT+CGQREQ=1\r
11:38.33dcordesRx:0\r
11:38.33dcordesTx:AT+CGQMIN=1\r
11:38.35dcordesRx:0\r
11:38.38dcordesTx:ATD*99***1#\r
11:38.40dcordesRx:1\r+PCD: 1,1\r\n
11:39.05dcordesbefore the modem went 3g mode
11:40.39dcordesAT+CGDCONT=1,\"IP\",\"web.vodafone.de\",\"\",0,0\r
11:40.53dcordesis what we do in the gprs script
11:41.14tmztwhat does enabling 3g give you?
11:41.54dcordesATD*99***1#\r
11:42.04dcordesis also in the script so
11:42.23dcordesthe only extra in the wince 3g logon log is AT+CGQREQ=1 AT+CGQMIN=1
11:42.52tmztnothing sent to the modem when you changed the option?
11:43.28dcordesthere is. wait a sec
11:43.57dcordesI need to sort where the switching to 3g mode begins
11:44.11dcordesthe signal quality and time chats are annoying
11:44.39tmzttry switching back and see if AT+HSPDA=0 appears
11:44.58tmztHSDPA
11:46.34dcordestmzt: ok. you know what AT+GTKR=<some10digits> does?
11:46.38tmztTao of Mac - GSM AT Commands. Tao of Mac- HOWTO Setup GPRS/UMTS Access On a Mac ... The minimum and/or required QoS can be setup using AT+CGDMIN and ...
11:47.53dcordestmzt: I had some AT chat files from the windows airprime (msm7200 based pci modem) driver
11:49.27tmzthttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361236&page=5
11:50.52dcordestmzt: test sequence?
11:52.09tmztit seems so
11:53.02dcordesok so that boils the relevant parts of connecting to internet while in 3g mode to the same things we do in the gprs case
11:54.20tmztthe cgqmin/max seem to be to set quality of service
11:56.00dcordesok
11:56.22dcordestmzt: ok I have the 07_turning_off_3g_mode.txt
11:56.36dcordesthere are no lines containing HSDPA
11:57.08tmzt06:49 < dcordes> 11:35:18 Tx:AT+HSDPA=1\r
11:57.08tmzt06:49 < dcordes> 11:35:18 Rx:0\r
12:01.49dcordesyes it is in 02_turning the phone on.txt:11:35:18 Tx:AT+HSDPA=1\r
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12:13.06dcordestmzt: any clue what CGAATT is?
12:13.19dcordeson xda I can find at logs with CGATT
12:13.36tmztdna
12:14.04dcordesthe ti calypso modem in the mokos uses it also
12:14.22dcordeshttp://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_GSM
12:14.23tmzthave you looked at the 3g specs?
12:14.36dcordes<PROTECTED>
12:15.38BabelO_dcordes: yes
12:15.59BabelO_it is what you see on your device when it display the G 3G or E symbol
12:16.09BabelO_it is only attach mode to be quick for next connect
12:17.19dcordesBabelO_: ok. I don't know where the BabelO_ in the pasted line comes from
12:17.24dcordesmust have hit tab
12:19.05dcordesBabelO_: you know what 2,1,1 mean in the context?
12:19.51BabelO_no
12:19.56dcordesBabelO_: it is sent to the modem: "Tx: AT+CGAATT=2,1,1\r'"
12:20.30BabelO_maybe automatic attach, all should be in GSM 7.07 specs
12:21.50dcordesETSI TS 127 007 V5.3.0 (2003-03) that ?
12:22.06dcordeshttp://gatling.ikk.sztaki.hu/~kissg/gsm/at+c.html
12:22.28dcordesit has CGATT but not CGAATT
12:22.38dcordesmaybe it's the same?
12:23.21BabelO_yes, same
12:23.29dcordesGPRS attach/detach
12:23.29dcordes+CGATT [=state] 0: detached from...
12:23.29dcordes1: attached to...
12:23.29dcordes...GPRS service
12:23.29dcordesN13 S7 S10 S11 S12 E9 E11 M2 M4 M5 T2 SS1 P1 A2 SE1 0 1
12:23.31dcordesN1 N3 N4 N6 N8 N9 N10 N11 N12 F3 S1 S2 S4 S5 S6 S8 S9 E7 E10 E12 E13 E14 M3 M6 W1 W2 SY1 MB2 MB3 SG A1 Not implemented
12:23.38dcordesit doesn't show the "2" state
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12:24.02BabelO_yes maybe because it is not GPRS but Edge or 3G
12:24.06tmztsome of those sound like AT variables
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12:28.43dcordesCGATT and CGAATT are not used in the reference-ril.c
12:30.40tmztg1 is not using ppp it seems
12:33.29dcordestmzt: oh right. they use the rmnet. you think there are changes in the AMSS for that purpose that modify AT comm.?
12:34.38tmztit seems ril is used for voice, and that source is really for the omap version which was not released
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12:35.56dcordesok can you point me to the more useful source?
12:36.09tmztcan't find it
12:36.10dcordes..I've already been wondering what "use ti commands" means
12:36.14dcordesme n'either..
12:36.31dcordeswell can't see anything but ril.git
12:36.34tmztswetland said there was omap stuff in there
12:37.48dcordes#define PPP_TTY_PATH "/dev/omap_csmi_tty1" hmmmn
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12:46.05dcordesdzo uses #define PPP_TTY_PATH "/dev/smd1" on the vogue
12:46.07dcordeslike on kaiser
12:46.20dcordesI wonder why kaiser and vogue 3g networking work with the same ril code.
12:46.35dcordescdma and gsm parts are equal there?
12:50.12dcordestmzt: you are right about the rmnet. but the http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/hardware/ril.git;a=blob_plain;f=reference-ril/reference-ril.c;h=ccb5b623e008b77fd665f52b102e042e4644c4da;hb=dbbb392e15b5ace6f19e76c49c80ea14292e8a4d _is_ for g1.
12:50.42dcordesdzo uses it as a base for the vogue phone code
12:51.56tmztwhere does it say its used on g1?
12:52.14Kensanmc
12:52.26Kensanops wrong window, sorry :(
12:52.29dcordesnowhere but there is no other one and since dzo uses it..
12:52.43dcordeswhy would he use the code for omap?
12:53.16tmztwell, it should work because gsm and cdma both use 3g spec at commands (the 07.07 that BabelO_ mentioned)
12:53.50dcordesok so that's also the reason for kaiser and vogue 3g working equally in android.
12:55.04SmallR2002tmzt, is that gsm/cdma or umts/evdo?
12:55.15tmztis what?
12:55.23SmallR2002<tmzt> Well, it should work because gsm and cdma both use 3g spec at commands (the 07.07 that BabelO_ mentioned)
12:55.49tmzt3g is mean 3g organization or gsma
12:55.57SmallR2002aaah
12:56.03SmallR2002ignore me :p
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13:17.38Marajinyo yo
13:18.38tmztali1234: interesting stuff in android ril for omap, but no driver source
13:18.45tmztioctl(s_fd, OMAP_CSMI_TTY_ACK, &s_readCount) that's what he meant
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13:24.17tmztali1234: #define PPP_TTY_PATH "/dev/omap_csmi_tty1"
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14:08.55ali1234tmzt: where'd you get it?
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15:28.52dcordesali1234: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/hardware/ril.git;a=blob_plain;f=reference-ril/reference-ril.c
15:30.34ali1234ah cheers
15:31.25dcordesswetland: where can the ril code used for g1 be found?
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16:15.58swetlanddcordes: htc wrote their own ril for g1. source, sadly, is not provided.
16:16.57swetlanddcordes: hardware/ril/{rild,libril} is the common interface glue, but the htc impl is libhtc_ril.so
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16:30.44evildarknightdoes pxa270 has binary compatibility with pxa272????
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17:45.12Neutron83heydiho
17:58.43dcordestmzt, you presue the moko devel list? stefan_schmidt provided a hint on the X problem
17:59.39dcordes"Hmm, the first thing I would to is to look at what kind of ioctl() the Android
17:59.39dcordesUI is using and comapre it to what X is doing."
18:05.05Kensandcordes: ah good that the ml-issue is solved.
18:06.14dcordesyes now I understand why I couldn't email to that other list either...
18:06.56Kensandcordes: seems like things are moving forward.
18:07.29Kensandcordes: the HTC_GSM page is interesting.
18:07.41dcordesyea but I fear outdatad
18:08.07dcordesonly blueangel and so are mentioned and I already stumbled across commands in the kaiser which are ukn there
18:09.10Kensandcordes: hm ok. Having a uptodate reference "spreadsheet" for the kaiser containing the complete AT commandset would be great but a lot of work of course.
18:09.42dcordessomething like that must be present .. .
18:14.23Kensandcordes: mix-matching your gsm logs with the anroid source should be quite fruitfull I guess.
18:15.55dcordesI'm not certain where the sources are
18:26.06Kensandcordes: I thought the gsm/cdma modem part is in reference-ril.c.
18:27.34Kensandcordes:e.g. the thing you were examining earlier (AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","web.vodafone.de","",0, and so on) is at line 1025.
18:28.16Kensandcordes: the comments in the source explain what AT+CGQREQ/MIN etc do
18:32.41dcordestmzt, you are absolutely right. libreference_ril.c in the ril.git is not used on g1
18:33.00dcordesthe libreference etc is a binary lib on g1
18:33.09dcordes:( so no AT picking joys there
18:36.02ahmeniare the AT commands different for CDMA/GSM?
18:36.12ahmenii could talk to the engineers at my work, see what I can dig up
18:36.28dcordesahmeni, I know sms is different and some other things
18:36.43dcordesof course the whole sim stuff is non present in cdma
18:36.49ahmeniheh, yeah
18:37.03ahmenii got dzo's cdma vogue image to boot in a canadian vogue yesterday, sexy times
18:39.13dcordesyea he's hardcore
18:39.15dcordeshttp://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/html-info/0707.htm
18:39.20dcordesahmeni, tried the cam??
18:41.40ahmeninah, didn't get the chance
18:42.03ahmeniwas my ex-bosses phone, only had about 15 minutes to play with it and i dont know my way around android yet
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19:14.56jnilssonhi guys
19:15.21jnilssonim currently using the openmoko userspace on my htc elf
19:15.28jnilssonits booting to X then crashes
19:16.08jnilssonbut my main issue is that usb0 network is not loading with this userspace  but does work with other userspace and same kernel
19:16.11dcordesjnilsson, did you build the moko image yourself?
19:16.12jnilssonanyone seen this?
19:16.16jnilssono yea
19:16.20jnilssonno
19:16.23jnilssondcordes
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19:16.35jnilssonim using debian openmoko userspace
19:16.40dcordeswhat's the elf chipset?
19:16.50dcordesdebian openmoko ?
19:17.00dcordesthe zhone packages in debian?
19:17.00jnilssonomap 850
19:17.13jnilssonusing a modified linwizard kernel
19:17.31dcordesI guess in debian edit /etc/network/interfaces to make usb0 come up on boot
19:17.42jnilssonhttp://rabenfrost.net/debian/debian-armel-xfce.tar.bz2
19:18.22jnilssonits giving an error that /etc/network/run is not pointing to anything
19:18.26dcordesI know that he is an openmoko user no? maybe x doesn't work in that image because it is for a 640x480 moko rather than qvga elf?
19:18.43jnilssonkk i'll check that
19:19.11jnilsson/etc/network/run points to /dev/shm/... but there is nothing there
19:19.14jnilssonhmm
19:20.02dcordesI had a similar problem trying a debian image on my kaiser
19:20.17jnilssonany ideas?
19:20.33dcordesyou lack some filesystem in the kernel
19:23.01jnilssonquestion: as its in dev, could it be that the kernel is not generating something in there and the busybox systems dont need it but the deb sys does?
19:24.01jnilssonim going to put a linwizard userspace and see where it generates the usb0 network
19:28.04dcordesthat's what I mean by a filesystem lacking
19:28.07dcordesin the kernel
19:28.57jnilssonaa ok
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22:43.23dcordesapt: give me beer
22:43.24aptACTION gives beer to dcordes
22:43.32dcordesapt: thanks
22:43.32aptbitte, dcordes
22:43.38dcordesapt: danke
23:10.00goxboxlive:-)
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23:15.55d0netsFNi want beer
23:16.15d0netsFNill trade you http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1426/dsc03085xa0.jpg
23:26.48dcordesd0netsFN: what's that?
23:27.54d0netsFNlol i du nno, whats it look like?
23:30.16dcordesneurotoxic substance
23:35.06dcordesapt: give neurotoxic substance to d0netsFN
23:35.07aptACTION gives substance to d0netsFN to neurotoxic
23:35.58dcordesit doesn't really look neurotix. but it's certainly lipophil
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