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| 05:57.35 | DallasG | orly |
| 05:59.57 | SanMehat | ? |
| 06:08.53 | maejrep | he's trolling, can ignore him |
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| 08:05.22 | DallasG | Yeah, was just seeing what maejrep was up to. |
| 08:05.24 | DallasG | :) |
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| 12:09.37 | goxboxlive | BabelO: hi |
| 12:09.44 | goxboxlive | are you there? |
| 12:09.47 | BabelO | hi goxboxlive |
| 12:10.00 | goxboxlive | Hi |
| 12:10.19 | goxboxlive | where is cr2? Is he on vacation again, i havent seen him online in a while now |
| 12:10.52 | kiozen | goxboxlive: no moving town |
| 12:11.20 | goxboxlive | kiozen: ok i c, so he is moving. To wich town now? |
| 12:11.30 | kiozen | munich |
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| 12:17.46 | goxboxlive | kiozen: ok i c. I'll meet him at the october festival next year then :-) |
| 12:18.09 | kiozen | lol, yes |
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| 14:14.22 | szsoftware | hello crowd! |
| 14:14.59 | marajin | what crowd? |
| 14:14.59 | marajin | :p |
| 14:15.07 | marajin | there is no crowd! |
| 14:15.09 | szsoftware | :-) |
| 14:15.21 | marajin | only spoons |
| 14:15.23 | szsoftware | I was a little ironic |
| 14:15.43 | szsoftware | but the good old marajin is here, everytimes, haha |
| 14:15.46 | marajin | that isn't irony, it's sarcasm, I think |
| 14:15.59 | szsoftware | marajin: you're right |
| 14:16.25 | marajin | course I am, I'm british, we're sarcasm masters of the universe! |
| 14:16.42 | szsoftware | oh yes, indeed you are |
| 14:17.05 | marajin | we are worried though |
| 14:17.14 | marajin | Slowly but surely even the german people are becoming more sarcastic |
| 14:17.29 | szsoftware | we are willing to learn :-) |
| 14:17.48 | marajin | It used to be cruel when I was at school and the german exchange students were here |
| 14:17.57 | marajin | they totally didn't understand british sarcasm |
| 14:18.05 | marajin | so they believed what was said and got confused |
| 14:18.44 | marajin | like the poor girl who asked if there was a toilet nearby and we told her that we weren't allowed toilets at school |
| 14:18.52 | marajin | that was just cruel.. |
| 14:18.53 | marajin | =/ |
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| 14:20.01 | marajin | then again, I'm inclined to think that some of those exchange students were of.. less than stellar intelligence |
| 14:20.10 | szsoftware | marajin: don't worry. that happens here too, without other culture. That's naivity |
| 14:20.11 | marajin | like the one taht walked in, pointed out a window and went 'Big field!' |
| 14:21.29 | marajin | heh, yeah but the german people have historically definitely had trouble with the less than literal nature of the english |
| 14:21.58 | szsoftware | historically? |
| 14:22.19 | marajin | liek I said, they're starting to grasp sarcasm and such nowadays ;) |
| 14:23.42 | szsoftware | :-) |
| 14:24.14 | szsoftware | ok, let's talk about #htc-linux. what stuff are you sitting on? |
| 14:24.32 | marajin | well, I have a chair and it's padded leather :p |
| 14:24.37 | szsoftware | lol |
| 14:25.47 | marajin | Well what did you actually want to know? :P |
| 14:26.12 | szsoftware | no further kidding, I meant, what you are working on for now? |
| 14:26.24 | marajin | Nothing actually =/ |
| 14:26.31 | marajin | I have hermes + kaiser, and they are kinda stalled on both devices |
| 14:26.39 | marajin | waiting to see if dzo performs miracles with kaiser |
| 14:26.41 | szsoftware | IC |
| 14:26.51 | szsoftware | ok, so we are in the sameboat |
| 14:26.59 | marajin | probably |
| 14:27.06 | szsoftware | but I wait for ginge |
| 14:27.18 | marajin | ginge is waiting for dzo, I just cut out the middleman ;) |
| 14:28.17 | szsoftware | what? he's waiting for dzo? I heard he rewrote kaiser patches |
| 14:28.30 | marajin | the SD issue |
| 14:29.30 | szsoftware | about that I heard SD stuff is resolved on vogue and SanMehat reported success with sd driver testing |
| 14:30.02 | marajin | the vogue doesn't have SD problems, tis the kaiser that has SD problems |
| 14:30.38 | szsoftware | did you see last vogue changes? dzo works currently on cam-driver and committed further work on it today |
| 14:30.53 | marajin | nah I don't follow the vogue closely |
| 14:31.34 | szsoftware | I just wan't to have a clear guideline, which codebase we have, so I can progress my work on it.. |
| 14:31.55 | marajin | we're suppose to be merging most of the devices aren't we? |
| 14:31.56 | szsoftware | the vogue is't so far from kaiser/polaris |
| 14:32.11 | marajin | no we rely on vogue code a lot for kaiser but kaiser SD is different |
| 14:32.47 | szsoftware | I was close on vogue developement, because virtual keyboard/ts-driver was taken from there |
| 14:33.13 | marajin | which device do you have, polaris? |
| 14:33.26 | szsoftware | but merging new code went more and more complicated because of different codebase |
| 14:33.32 | szsoftware | right polaris |
| 14:34.31 | marajin | does polaris have same SD issue? |
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| 14:34.33 | marajin | I don't remember |
| 14:34.36 | marajin | hey dcordes |
| 14:34.47 | dcordes | marajin, hi |
| 14:35.10 | szsoftware | it should have, marajin, because it's almost same device |
| 14:35.17 | szsoftware | hi dcordes |
| 14:35.21 | marajin | well don't you know if you have polaris? |
| 14:35.27 | marajin | dcordes: does polaris have same sd as kaiser? |
| 14:35.34 | dcordes | yes |
| 14:36.01 | szsoftware | marajin: I use sd for rootfs, but with limited write access. |
| 14:36.18 | szsoftware | marajin: so SD is quite usable for me |
| 14:36.33 | szsoftware | dcordes: how do sd issues appear? |
| 14:36.36 | marajin | well kaiser fails on large reads too though? |
| 14:37.16 | dcordes | szsoftware, you get tracebacks in dmesg when it fscks up |
| 14:37.30 | szsoftware | dcordes: are the huge sd driver issues reported by other polaris owners/testers too? |
| 14:37.30 | dcordes | dma blabla |
| 14:37.41 | dcordes | idk ask in the thread |
| 14:37.43 | dcordes | or search it |
| 14:37.57 | szsoftware | dcordes: so I don't see failure msg in console? |
| 14:38.27 | dcordes | it should also be printed to the fbcon |
| 14:38.59 | dcordes | just copy a larger file from your sd to your sd and you can easily reconstruct |
| 14:39.07 | szsoftware | so it should appear also when booting from sd? |
| 14:39.13 | dcordes | after 20mb or so it errors here |
| 14:39.20 | dcordes | yes |
| 14:39.22 | szsoftware | dcordes: ok |
| 14:40.36 | szsoftware | dcordes: a dd from disk to /dev/null or vice versa should work as testing environment too? |
| 14:41.05 | dcordes | yes then you can specify if it errors on read or write |
| 14:41.41 | marajin | szsoftware: It'll probably not appear with small rootfs, but boot android or something from SD will fail with dma error on kaiser |
| 14:42.00 | szsoftware | dcordes: what about SanMehat's latest report concerning sd? can we merge his work? |
| 14:42.13 | dcordes | did you try? |
| 14:42.49 | szsoftware | marajin: maybe that's the reason why android 1.0 stops at the little green android? |
| 14:43.00 | dcordes | our current sd is very different from the google sd so it's not so easy I guess |
| 14:43.26 | szsoftware | dcordes: I don't try anything merging or so, till I have new codebase[instructions] |
| 14:44.09 | szsoftware | dcordes: I don't want to hear that. Please say: "Yes We Can!" |
| 14:44.26 | marajin | szsoftware: well he's right they're different devices |
| 14:44.29 | szsoftware | dcordes: It's time for "Chaaaangeeee.. !" |
| 14:45.42 | szsoftware | dcordes: Did you hear from ginge last days? |
| 14:46.00 | dcordes | no and I don't want to get on his nerves |
| 14:46.24 | dcordes | I believe he will notify us as soon as he can boot.. |
| 14:46.24 | szsoftware | ok, I understand |
| 14:47.29 | szsoftware | time is running away for me, you know. Only two weeks, then I will be in a total different world. |
| 14:48.32 | szsoftware | that sound dark |
| 14:48.42 | szsoftware | s/sound/sounds/ |
| 14:49.32 | dcordes | there are updates from dzo |
| 14:49.43 | dcordes | camera |
| 14:49.45 | dcordes | http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/htc-vogue |
| 14:50.41 | marajin | szsoftware: what happens in 2 weeks? |
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| 14:50.58 | dcordes | he goes to the snowy wonderworlds of austria :) |
| 14:51.12 | marajin | they don't have internet there? ;) |
| 14:51.21 | szsoftware_ | dcordes: don't told! |
| 14:51.30 | szsoftware_ | marajin: I'm seriously sick |
| 14:51.53 | szsoftware_ | marajin: of damn plain landscapes in north-east germany! |
| 14:52.53 | marajin | you'll live ;) |
| 14:53.24 | dcordes | wow dzo's modifications in the vogue branch for camera are huge |
| 14:53.43 | dcordes | "it starts grabbing frames now" |
| 14:53.55 | szsoftware_ | marajin: there is, but I will be up respectively on the mountains, from 7:00 to 17:00 o'clock and for 5 months. I will have no physically power for long nights |
| 14:54.23 | szsoftware_ | dcordes: oh you noticed too :-) |
| 14:54.27 | marajin | szsoftware_: Make dcordes buy you a solar charger for christmas |
| 14:54.35 | szsoftware_ | marajin: :-) |
| 14:55.39 | marajin | you could charge your polaris at least |
| 14:55.51 | szsoftware_ | dcordes: kaiser has a slighty different camera sensor chip, no? |
| 14:55.52 | dcordes | I will give one for new year when I come visit the sacred mountains of austria in january :) |
| 14:56.13 | dcordes | szsoftware, idk is the vogue cam documented somewhere? I bet they are very similar. |
| 14:56.55 | szsoftware_ | dcordes: there's a datasheet of vogue's cam chip. I saw that in the wiki, don't ask where |
| 14:57.42 | dcordes | unfortunately vogue lacks the nice wiki structures we have for the other devices |
| 14:57.49 | szsoftware_ | dcordes: IMHO It was linked to samsung webspace directly, so I think kaisers chip datasheet will be there as well |
| 14:58.23 | szsoftware_ | dcordes: maybe it was on titan wiki, which seems a little more documented |
| 14:59.26 | dcordes | hm druidu pushed a patch for the touchscreen to work with android, but didn't make it an option |
| 14:59.33 | dcordes | so non android applications like tslib are screwd |
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| 15:01.11 | dcordes | did somebody try xserver on the raphael? |
| 15:02.05 | dcordes | S5K3C1FX03 is kaiser |
| 15:02.52 | dcordes | s5k4b1fx is what dzo mentions in the vogue commits |
| 15:02.58 | dcordes | so they are the same |
| 15:03.05 | dcordes | not ^^ |
| 15:03.28 | dcordes | let's check the datasheets for the difference between 3 and 4 hardware |
| 15:04.07 | szsoftware_ | dcordes: just looking for the datasheets .. |
| 15:04.24 | dcordes | http://www.riddle.ru/dl/ccd/samsung/ds_s5k3c1fx_rev012.pdf |
| 15:05.48 | szsoftware_ | dcordes: oh yes, my error, I didn't find the vogues one |
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| 15:09.38 | szsoftware_ | dcordes: They will provide datasheet? "We offer information on imaging solution products to registered customers." |
| 15:09.47 | dcordes | szsoftware_, try it |
| 15:09.48 | szsoftware_ | dcordes: samsung |
| 15:10.14 | dcordes | I registered for the raphael cam datasheets :) |
| 15:10.28 | dcordes | unfortunately I did not get a reply yet |
| 15:12.06 | dcordes | bbiab |
| 15:15.31 | szsoftware_ | ok, me too |
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| 20:36.08 | diogene31 | is back |
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| 20:53.34 | nashpa | hi |
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| 21:04.19 | dcordes | ALoGeNo, are you around? |
| 21:13.03 | marajin | yo dcordes |
| 21:13.43 | dcordes | marajin, hi there. ever booted debian on your kaiser? |
| 21:16.23 | marajin | nope |
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| 21:18.32 | szsoftware | dcordes: debian? sounds nice. What about that Ubuntu Mobile Edition? |
| 21:20.11 | szsoftware | dcordes: do you know, there are fresh rootfs images on colinux.org |
| 21:20.18 | szsoftware | dcordes: ? |
| 21:20.36 | szsoftware | dcordes: such as debian and so too |
| 21:22.33 | dcordes | somebody know what is /lib/init/rw/rootdev ? |
| 21:23.30 | szsoftware | no, is it a binary on debian root? |
| 21:24.12 | dcordes | I am trying this sumo rootfs: http://shiroikuma.com/index.php?cmd=%E7%9B%B8%E6%92%B2%E5%A4%96%EF%BC%9ARunning%20Debian%20GNU/Linux%20on%20HTC%20Universal&PHPSESSID=1cfae2511c2f1c3ca9962cfea3003c7d |
| 21:25.03 | dcordes | the file is dynamically created, fsck wants to check it when it boots => dma error :( |
| 21:25.39 | szsoftware | /lib/init/rw/rootdev contains a file system with errors. check forced. |
| 21:25.53 | szsoftware | seems to be a mountpoint |
| 21:26.12 | szsoftware | maybe for the recovery environment? |
| 21:27.57 | dcordes | szsoftware, do you know how to prevent fsck from performing any checks on bootup? |
| 21:30.59 | szsoftware | dcordes: no, but I would search for the calling script and disable it for testing purposes |
| 21:31.30 | szsoftware | dcordes: if I wouldn't find it,I would rename fsk temporarly :-) |
| 21:31.45 | dcordes | fstab |
| 21:33.55 | szsoftware | that was the next thought: man fstab |
| 21:34.04 | szsoftware | dcordes: If the sixth field is not present or zero, a value of zero is returned and fsck will assume that the filesystem does not need to be checked. |
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| 21:57.15 | dcordes | szsoftware, I removed fsck. according the sumo person, the filesystem is ready to go for X on the uni |
| 21:57.28 | __ed | Dinde ! |
| 21:57.30 | dcordes | it uses xdm, but when it starts, nothing is happening on kaiser |
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| 21:57.43 | Dinde | :o |
| 21:59.59 | marajin | dcordes: same old story then |
| 22:00.20 | dcordes | marajin, not really, Xfbdev starts but can't refresh screen |
| 22:00.36 | dcordes | at least that's what I think is happning. |
| 22:00.44 | dcordes | because it only draws one frame |
| 22:00.58 | dcordes | and not entirely always |
| 22:01.23 | dcordes | I wonder if uni also uses /dev/fb0 |
| 22:01.48 | dcordes | grep still running on the sumo filesystem.. |
| 22:22.24 | dcordes | good night |
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| 23:31.42 | matiaslobos | salut |
| 23:32.05 | matiaslobos | htc comme telephone ? |
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| 23:55.39 | Miosc | hi all |
| 23:56.39 | Miosc | Kevin2: hi, just wanted to ask, i have read that you have created scripts that allow to install Linux on vfat so that formatting an SD card to have 2 partitions is no longer necessary |
| 23:56.59 | Miosc | Kevin2: are these scripts available somewhere? |
| 23:58.43 | ali1234 | Miosc: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Loopback-Root-FS.html |
| 23:59.16 | Miosc | ali1234: thanks :D |
| 23:59.34 | ali1234 | i dont know if that is the same thing, but it is the standard way of doing it, afaik |
| 23:59.45 | Miosc | ali1234: ah ok |