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00:00.08SanMehatcr2: hang on man, reading..
00:00.26SanMehatcr2: I didn't work on MDDI, but I'll pass your request along :)
00:04.45cr2SanMehat: thanks :)
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01:48.23ALoGeNohey how is for recalibrate the screen in the uni?
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02:35.33KichigaiHi, I'm trying to volunteer to be a lab rat for development on the Excalibur.
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02:37.55KichigaiCould anyone help me out?
02:38.09Marajinsorry, dunno much about the excalibur myself
02:38.17Marajincan't say I've seen it mentioned much
02:39.24KichigaiYeah, from what I hear, there's not a lot of interest in it, still, I'm getting bored with my existing systems and I want to experiment with different stuff and not spend money.
02:39.37KichigaiSo volunteering for a Linux port to a portable device sounds like fun.
02:39.55Marajinwell you can get WM5, 6 and 6.1 for it but I dunno about the linux port
02:40.20KichigaiI've got 6, and I've heard of 6.1, but I'm hoping for something more... revolutionary.
02:40.29KichigaiBut oh well.
02:41.02MarajinI don't know if there is an active Excalibur port, I'm not even sure what hardware it's based on
02:41.49KichigaiThe Xanadux page has a plea for help, but if you don't know anything, then that's how it goes.
02:42.04Marajinah it's an omap 850
02:42.25Marajinwell you're not beyond hope, there's a few people banging their heads against omap 850 devices
02:42.43KichigaiThat's nice.
02:43.13KichigaiSo it's all patience at this point.
02:43.59Marajinunfortunately
02:44.14Marajinhang around the channel though, someone might know more about the Excalibur
02:44.38KichigaiCool. Thanks
02:45.01MarajinI think the people you want are based in and around Germany primarily so you're a bit late to catch them right now
02:45.42MarajinSanMehat: 'lo there by the way, missed you turn up earlier I think :p
02:46.49MarajinKichigai: oh you could check the logs too, they might have someone talking about the Excalibur
02:46.58KichigaiThanks.
02:48.30MarajinKichigai: Looks like it's mentioned a few times from a quick zgrep
02:48.42KichigaiI'm trying to find the logs, one sec
02:48.54Marajinhttp://apt.rikers.org/%23htc-linux/
02:49.03KichigaiAhh, thanks.
02:49.09Marajinwget them and zgrep them to make life easier
02:50.27KichigaiDownThemAll makes life great
02:51.13MarajinKichigai: So does wget -r
02:51.29KichigaiTrue, but DTA has the advantage of simultaneous downloads.
02:51.47Marajinthey're gzipped html, it doesn't take long either way :P
02:51.48KichigaiI don't know if WGet does that
02:51.58Marajinand I think wget can
02:52.18KichigaiNice.
02:52.25KichigaiLearn something new every day.
02:53.15MarajinI'm one of life's multitaskers, I tend to be doing a half dozen things at once so, I guess I tend to pay a little less attention to how quick something like that runs though
02:54.17KichigaiI see what you mean about various references.
02:54.54Marajinyeh, apparently even I mention the excalibur once, though I'm just working out which device someone was actually talking about
02:55.02KichigaiAahh.
02:55.36MarajinIt gets confusing if people don't use the codenames
02:55.39Marajintoo many rebrands >.,
02:55.45Marajin>.< even
02:55.55KichigaiIt looks like mostly it's people noting it's not very powerful.
02:56.12Marajinheh, well 200mhz omap850... I guess it's loosely speaking midrange
02:56.57MarajinLot of people fiddling with things like the kaiser, athena, raphael/diamond, etc. at the moment so relatively it seems a bit slow though yeah
02:57.28KichigaiI'm just looking for anything different I can do with the hardware besides WinMo.
02:57.57MarajinWell if it's gonna happen, it'll happen here
02:58.09KichigaiTrue.
02:58.10MarajinLinux and android on HTC phones, 's what we do
02:59.12KichigaiI'm waiting until I can get a toaster that can run Linux.
02:59.21Marajinheh
02:59.36MarajinI can probably find you something that can run linux that'll toast ;)
03:01.01KichigaiIt's technically NetBSD, but here: http://www.thegadgetblog.com/2005/10/03/linux-netbsd-toaster/
03:01.11Marajinyeah I know of it
03:01.18Marajinbeen a while though hasn't it?
03:01.24Marajinwell, heh, can see there, 2005
03:01.37KichigaiTrue.
03:02.26MarajinPlus they kinda cheated
03:02.32Marajinthey just installed a computer into a toaster
03:03.02KichigaiYeah, well, toasters are pretty simple so I think it would be hard to avoid cheating.
03:03.11Marajinfor now for now
03:03.32Marajinone of these days we might just see embedded computing from the toasters from the factory
03:03.46Marajinya know... network controlled toasters or something
03:04.10Marajinyou just press a button on your laptop and a coupla minutes later go and collect your toast
03:04.16Kichigailol
03:04.32MarajinYou laugh but someone will do it
03:05.50Marajinit can be veeeery loosely justified to embedd computing into household goods.. a fridge with stock tracking, a TV with inbuilt web browsing, that kinda thing
03:05.53KichigaiEventually, yeah.
03:06.21Marajinfrankly it's already affordable on larger household goods
03:07.08MarajinIf I was rich I'd probably do things like that, just to have a screen on the fridge to remind people to buy more milk or something
03:07.09KichigaiYeah, but a toaster?
03:07.28Marajinwell the toaster is definitely pushing it
03:07.30KichigaiIt's just a metal coil.
03:07.34KichigaiSimpler is better.
03:07.47MarajinI suspect convergence devices would play a role there though
03:08.22Marajinautomatic toaster.. just drop your loaf in the top and network it and it can automatically load and toast with memorised settings for each user in the house kinda thing
03:08.25Marajinit's pathetic in a way
03:08.29Marajinbut people fall for that kinda stuff
03:09.21MarajinI could get behind a toaster with memorised settings at least though, since people tend to change the dial, I don't notice and then my toast is black
03:09.24Kichigailol
03:10.14MarajinIt'll happen someday, unless e invent replicators first
03:10.29Marajinthen you'll just be like 'toast, medium' 'vzzzzt **bing**'
03:10.53KichigaiMeh
03:11.04MarajinI know, it'd suck huh?
03:12.59Marajinthen again, what happens when a linux replicator kernel oops?
03:13.32Marajinwouldn't wanna come home to find out it's just replicated 14 tons of manure
03:16.29Kichigailol
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04:25.24SanMehatMarajin: hey
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06:08.27dcordesmorning fellas
06:09.01kiozenjaaawwwnn.. morning dcordes
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06:27.56Marajin'lo dcordes
06:34.25dcordesheya
06:39.43Marajinhow's it going?
06:39.46Marajin'lo kiozen
06:41.19kiozenhi Marajin, tired, brain feels like a big green wobbly mass
06:42.06kiozen...think I forgot to make a coffee
06:45.50Marajinkiozen: How can you forget coffee? It's like breathing, it's essential!
06:46.56kiozenMarajin: to tired to remember about it? I know it's stupid..
06:47.38kiozenis booting the coffee machine
06:50.10MarajinConsider yourself castigated :p
06:51.01kiozentoo tired for that...
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07:49.50dcordeshttp://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6676946579.html <- what on earth is a haptic display?
07:51.06kiozendcordes: marketing mubo jumbo for touchscreen :)
07:51.56kiozenno waot..
07:52.16kiozenit's gives you feedback
07:52.26dcordesdo they mean it vibrates when you tap?
07:52.27Marajinhaptic means it vibrates when you tap something
07:52.32dcordeslol
07:52.35kiozenlike vibrating
07:52.38kiozenok
07:53.21Marajinpeople like it, they're reassured that the device knows they pushed a button
07:53.56dcordesa friend's lg phone has it. or samsung
07:54.06dcordesnot a bad thing
07:54.11Marajinthe G1 does too
07:54.35Marajinand the motorolla RAZR
07:54.38Marajinfew phones have it
07:54.47dcordeswe could add it to kaiser's tsc2003.c
07:54.59Marajinvery easily really yeah
07:55.01dcordes(if we knew how the vibrator device is accessed)
07:55.19Marajindcordes: It can't be a far through from the vogue and dzo got that to vibrate
07:55.25Marajins/through/throw
07:55.25dcordesis it documented somehwere?
07:55.41Marajindzo: How'd you get vibrate working? ;)
07:55.50dcordeschecking the wiki
07:56.05dcordesI think I documented at least the gpio
07:56.11Marajinyeah
07:56.16Marajinkiozen: how's the coffee?
07:56.27Marajinfeeling alive yet/
07:56.47dcordeshm no only a note in the irq page
07:57.00kiozenMarajin: not realy, first cup down, more a drop on a hot stone.
07:57.36MarajinNot sure we have such a phrase in english :P
07:57.50dcordeslet's see if I can find the gpio with the newer haret
07:58.36kiozenMarajin: but it should picture the situation quite acurately
07:58.45dcordesMarajin: time to implement it then. it's a nice phrase
07:59.20dcordesbut make it "a drope on the hot stone" sounds more authentic
08:00.38Marajinkiozen: We have something like 'just a drop in the ocean'
08:01.22kiozenMarajin: no ocean around here :)
08:01.32Marajinwell here either, I live in land but still :P
08:01.43Marajinsome phrases translate, some don't ;)
08:01.59MarajinI believe 'to take with a pinch of salt' and 'don't look a gift horse in the mouth' translate
08:02.22kiozennothing is really far from the ocean in GB
08:02.43MarajinIt ain't THAT far in any part of the world man, 70% oceanic planet
08:03.03kiozenthe gif horse we got, too
08:03.13Marajinyeah I know, that's why I say it translates
08:03.24MarajinI thought you had the pinch of salt too?
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08:03.57kiozenhm, doesn't ring a bell right now
08:04.07dcordesthe geschenkte gaul is familiar, don't know the pinch of salt one.
08:04.26MarajinWe just use it to mean that something should be taken as maybe being false and maybe true
08:04.27kiozenbut I am still in hiatus..
08:04.42Marajinlike if someone came along and said that the next android phone would have a 800x600 screen or something
08:04.49Marajinwe'd say 'well just take it with a pinch of salt'
08:05.04Marajinbut the brits are a very jaded people :P
08:05.08kiozenok, that does not translate :)
08:05.09MarajinWe don't believe much till we see it
08:05.51MnemonicPunkThe screen idea is nice though. xD
08:06.16MarajinMnemonicPunk: yeah but it won't happen :P
08:06.24Marajin800x600 at 3-4" ?
08:06.28Marajinthe pain!
08:06.30MnemonicPunkSadly.
08:06.34Marajin'is that text or a line?'
08:06.56MnemonicPunk800x600 phones would rock. I'd install Win3.1 and let them crash a few times a day just for nostalgia.
08:07.21MarajinMnemonicPunk: We keep saying we'll make a pure ncurses linux distro for phones at some point
08:07.37Marajinconsole phone! :D
08:07.49MarajinIt'd work pretty well
08:07.53kiozenbut you should take it with a pinch of salt ;)
08:08.13Marajinkiozen: you might just wanna take that with a kilogram of salt really ;)
08:08.25kiozenuugh!
08:08.38MnemonicPunkEven better: Accelerometer only input. xD turn left: char++, turn right: char--, lift: backspace, drop: confirm char, throw out of the window: shutdown
08:08.51MarajinMnemonicPunk: hah :P
08:09.03MarajinMnemonicPunk: Nah out the window would be hang up
08:09.19MarajinThat's always been the problem with mobiles, if you're angry on a normal phone you can slam it down
08:09.22Marajinbut not with mobiles
08:09.24Marajinyou have to throw them
08:09.38MarajinI have a friend who does things like that actually..
08:09.47MnemonicPunkOr you aim carefully so you hit someone and call it "point to point caller connection".
08:10.03Marajinsomeone phoned him too early in the morning, he picked the phone up, went 'elloooo?' and then immediately threw it at the wall
08:10.10MnemonicPunklol
08:10.18dcordesMarajin: doesn't barry already have a secret ncurses phone working?
08:10.33Marajindcordes: Wouldn't be very secret now would it?
08:10.41Marajinhe did write a dialer I think though yeah
08:10.59dcordes:( crap I thought I read it on the channel
08:11.01MarajinWhere is he lately? seems to be slacking off!
08:11.41dcordesyea wtf
08:11.43Marajinlooks in his wallet.
08:11.47Marajindcordes: we're gonna rob a bank, ok?
08:11.49MnemonicPunkA console dialer? o.o
08:11.50dcordeswe need 500$ to buy somebody who makes SD
08:12.08MarajinMnemonicPunk: yeah
08:12.23dcordes'I know somebody who can give you world domination. Just need to give him 300 bucks'
08:12.25MarajinMnemonicPunk: It wasn't 100% a joke, we really did say we'd maybe make an ncurses/console phone
08:13.02MnemonicPunkHaving that would rock in a scripting kind of view. Like "cat contacts | grep SOME_REGEXP_FOR_FINDING_BIRTHDAYS | sms 'happy birthday'"
08:13.14Marajinhah :P
08:13.15kiozenMarajin: rob it fast! If you wait it won't have any money soon
08:13.23Marajinkiozen: heh
08:13.34Marajinkiozen: yeah, the US screws up so the UK buys them out and now we're screwed
08:13.49MarajinI imagine the bundesbank is cursing now too
08:13.56kiozenyes, wellcome to the club :)
08:13.57MnemonicPunkWhy?
08:14.10MarajinMnemonicPunk: why what?
08:14.19MnemonicPunkBundesbank. Cursing. xD
08:14.26kiozenMnemonicPunk: read the news..
08:14.34Marajinthey forced the UK to get rid of its gold reserve amongst other things
08:14.38MnemonicPunkI'm german so I listen up when someone uses german words. xD
08:14.42Marajincurrently having a lot of spare gold would have been handy
08:15.00Marajinthey bought a bit of it but they couldn't afford all our spare gold anyway :P
08:15.05Marajinmutters about Europe.
08:15.18Marajinbut they have lots of worries right now
08:15.19dcordesmassenpanik
08:15.21kiozenMnemonicPunk: you have to finance 3 banks the next years, number might increase
08:15.22Marajinmost of the wqorld does
08:15.40MnemonicPunkI do? Damn, why didn't anyone tell me? :x
08:15.59MarajinLot of people in the UK are spreading their money between several banks because if a bank fails you're only guaranteed 35,000 max
08:16.04Marajinregardless of how much money you had
08:16.24kiozenMnemonicPunk: they tell you since days in the news..
08:16.48MnemonicPunkI don't watch TV and read mostly IT related news. ^^
08:16.58MarajinMnemonicPunk: Neither do I, and I still know :p
08:17.05MnemonicPunkMeh.
08:17.07MnemonicPunk^^
08:17.53MnemonicPunkBesides, I got a tooth pulled yesterday, causing me to literally use ncurses.
08:18.07Marajinwuss :P
08:18.08MnemonicPunkWhere n is the number of curses I use per hour.
08:19.27MnemonicPunkOn the positive side of things, I got OE working and did a few images for the Magician. ^-^
08:19.34Marajinwoo
08:19.47dcordesOE can be so much fun
08:20.10MnemonicPunkExcept when it fails because one single package won't build. xD
08:20.12kiozenyou name it
08:21.25MarajinOk, I name it fred, it looks like a fred
08:30.17dcordesvibrate is a proc_comm function, hence the M2A irq
08:30.37dcordeswe need to add it using the -hw code. ginge already added that
08:34.08Marajinya know I wish they'd crack the iPod Classic firmware encryption
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08:50.24dcordeszdooder: if you want to compile for vogue/titan, it's easier to use the linuxtogo tree directly instead of using the patches. http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/htc-vogue
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08:51.08dcordesdzo: hi
08:51.34Marajin'lo BabelO_
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08:58.08MnemonicPunkHm.
08:59.18MnemonicPunkI'd like to make small desktop-like image for my Magician. Something that works mostly like a normal desktop Linux but in a scaled down form. How should I do that to achieve best results?
09:02.39dcordesI would not attempt to use a desktop enviornment like gnome or kde
09:03.23tmzt_dcordes: is matchbox still good for this, or something else now?
09:03.24dcordesbootstrap a lenny arm and install a tiny desktop like matchbox or fso
09:03.38dcordestmzt_: I don't know. would you recommend fso?
09:03.43dcordesI have never tried it myself
09:03.57tmzt_fso is really illume, which is not in debian yet
09:04.08tmzt_I am using enlightenment, with alt-click and drag
09:07.13tmzt_MnemonicPunk: did you build a new kernel with oe?
09:07.13MnemonicPunkPoint is: I'd like to have a way to use some of the lighter desktop applications on the go. I don't really need gnome or KDE for that anyway, just some means of comfortably running those applications.
09:07.13MnemonicPunkNot manually but I think it did that when building the images anyway.
09:07.13tmzt_what kind of applications?
09:07.13tmzt_I have been using export DISPLAY=:0 and launching them from a virtual terminal, because right-click doesn't work
09:07.14tmzt_I was thinking of a tap-and-hold menu for something like fluxbox
09:07.14MnemonicPunkThere is an extension to X that allows right-click emulation via tap-and-hold
09:07.14MnemonicPunkFound that out yesterday, didn't find a way to test it yet, though.
09:07.14tmzt_would like a really small/fast wm for touchscreen use
09:07.20dcordestmzt_: I was exactly looking for such a tap-and-hold function in fluxbox when I tried it on my zaurus
09:07.41tmzt_yeah, but I would have to rebuild xserver-xfbdev, which was enough fun the first time;)
09:08.20tmzt_also, don't think it really belongs in tslib, should be in the wm it self
09:08.52MnemonicPunkI think it does belong there, the wm shouldn't have to abstract the right-click itself. o.O
09:09.24tmzt_maybe, but there are places where tap and hold is natural, such as sketching
09:09.30tmzt_that would be broken
09:09.40MnemonicPunkIf it is in X, any applications that make use of it can handle normal right-clicks as well while if it is in the wm, you need two versions of the wm for one task.
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09:10.29tmzt_ALoGeNo: do you think your use of the debian-installer image could be adapted to htc phones?
09:10.46MnemonicPunkEh.
09:10.51MnemonicPunkI did that already. o.o
09:11.01MnemonicPunkI mean... install Debian with that installer.
09:11.02tmzt_oh, you have debian working?
09:11.28MnemonicPunkYeh, killed the image but it's no problem using it.
09:11.43tmzt_cool, do you have a network connection on magician?
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09:12.13tmzt_and are you using arm or armel ?
09:12.48dcordesneeds all those fancy things like X, wifi, heavy filesystem usage on the kaiser
09:13.22tmzt_they have xserver-xglamo for gta02, so I think they can build xserver-xfbdev now, but it is not there
09:13.55MnemonicPunkarmel
09:13.55MnemonicPunkBut!
09:13.55MnemonicPunkxD
09:13.55MnemonicPunkI didn't really test it extensively.
09:14.05MnemonicPunkI just wanted to learn how to create a Debian image.
09:15.26tmzt_I would like to see debian armel be useful for pxa, msm, and omap
09:15.38tmzt_even fso-frameworkd, and zhone
09:16.28MnemonicPunkWell... it boots at least.
09:16.28MnemonicPunkxD
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09:19.45MnemonicPunkWhat is it with the netsplits today? o.O
09:19.47tmzt_is magician small enough for a phone ?
09:19.48dcordestmzt_: yes it would be nice to see debian also for newer arm versions
09:19.48MarajinMnemonicPunk: It's you, they've hacked into your webcam and they're afraid, very afraid!
09:19.49MnemonicPunkAm I too sexy? I'm sorry, I'll try to look less attractive. xD
09:19.49MnemonicPunktmzt_: What do you mean? o.O The device itself?
09:19.49MarajinI was wondering that yeah
09:19.49tmzt_yes
09:19.50MnemonicPunkYes it is.
09:19.53Marajintmzt_: I guess it depends whether you're a midget
09:20.07tmzt_cool, as long as its not universal
09:20.10MnemonicPunkIt's awesome as a phone except for the Windows Mobile part. xD
09:20.27tmzt_do you have a network connection in linux?
09:20.41MnemonicPunkHate it when I take it out of my pocket and see my ass tried to call a few different numbers because there's no such thing as a screen lock.
09:20.54tmzt_really, q has one
09:21.13Marajinthere's no HTC too big for using as a phone except maybe the shift
09:21.21tmzt_also can dial from home, but I think ppc phone supports that
09:21.25MarajinMnemonicPunk: man that's software, install S2U or something
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09:22.01MnemonicPunkI use the screen lock from PointUI when on WM nowadays. ^^ I just don't understand how M$ could forget to add that to the OS.
09:22.33Marajinthey didn't >.<
09:22.33MnemonicPunkEr.
09:22.33MnemonicPunkWhere is it, then? xD
09:22.37Marajinnot MSes problem, the rom cooker/OEM got that wrong
09:22.51MnemonicPunkThat may be, alright.
09:22.52tmzt_funny thing, with my q (original) the soft keys are two seperate keys that I can hit without looking with one hand
09:23.00tmzt_on the new one, they are split again
09:23.15Marajinwhen you compare OEM roms with the ones we can cook up it's scary how much of the Win Mobile features are removed by the OEms
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09:23.36MnemonicPunkYes, especially the T-Mobile one.
09:24.26MnemonicPunkI compared them and... the T-Mobile installer strips a massive amount of features, some of which make the phone interesting for me in the first place. No idea why they do that, it's not like they have to pay extra for those.
09:24.33tmzt_lock is home + space, unlock is left soft key and asterisk which is on the qwerty a
09:24.51MnemonicPunkMagician has no keyboard.
09:25.03MnemonicPunkTouchscreen only.
09:25.05tmzt_that's right, you said that before
09:25.15MnemonicPunk(And some softkey of course.)
09:25.18MnemonicPunk+s
09:25.19tmzt_I keep thinking it has slide out keyboard, and is just smaller uni
09:25.34MnemonicPunkI'd love that. xD
09:25.54tmzt_did they make a pxa like that, which is gsm apache?
09:25.59MnemonicPunkBut besides keyboard and lacking wifi I'm really happy with the magician, despite its age.
09:27.35MnemonicPunk100€ w/o simlock and everything, I think that was a good price.
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09:36.36dcordessomebody with a polaris present?
09:37.12Marajin'Marco!' 'Polaris!' :>
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10:06.17dcordeswhat does happen when a device is powered down? (after shutdown)
10:06.49dcordescurrent kaiser kernel is not capable of doing that
10:08.46cr2"android OS" propaganda makes me sick.
10:10.22cr2the people say "i have compiled android for my XYZ pda, and haret can not boot it"
10:12.32cr2and XYZ pda has a pxa3xx cpu.
10:18.31dcordescr2: what can you do about it.. it's the same with msm in the xda forum. I keep emphasizing that it's the linux kernel which has the drivers not android. can you help me with my question?
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10:26.06cr2dcordes: which device ?
10:26.16dcordeskaiser
10:26.59cr2it should powerdown many subsystems and notify arm9 microkernel. don't know that this will do
10:27.11cr2i guess this process is mainly controlled by arm9
10:29.02dcordeswonder if dzo can do it on the vogue
10:34.40MarajinBabelO1: yo?
10:34.52MarajinBabelO1: Xen doesn't _require_ vt-x does it?
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10:37.11|szsoftware|dcordes: ping
10:38.02dcordesyo
10:38.50|szsoftware|dcordes: I don't think you remember. We talked about OE long time ago. Now in the league of testers again. Device is polaris.
10:39.24tmzt_Marajin: my understanding is that xen hvm does, but normal xen with the right support in the client kernel does not
10:40.37tmzt_dcordes: cr2: is pxa3xx armv6 or armv5 ?
10:40.53|szsoftware|dcordes: I'm shure you read the logs. I' hoped for official upgrade for polaris, that makes haret's live easier. Now there is success with O2's wm 6.1.
10:41.18cr2dcordes: i think dzo does it, but the whole thing is very unstable. at least that is what i've heard recently.
10:41.43cr2|szsoftware|: wtf is polaris ? kaiser without the keyboard ?
10:41.50dcordescr2: all the a2m magic is nasty
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10:42.06dcordescr2: yes
10:42.10cr2ok
10:42.20dcordeswith vogue panel
10:42.57dcordesor was it only vogue-ts?
10:42.58cr2dcordes: vibra is a2m too. afaik.
10:43.26dcordesno sorry. it's only the vogue-ts. but it needs a little tweak in the fb code as well
10:43.31|szsoftware|dcordes: I know about the dma prob concerning sd-driver. Anyway, which is the appropriate rootfs for me. Is it on your server? I only tried tgrees, but think this is wrong.
10:44.03dcordes|szsoftware|: depends on what you consider appropriate
10:45.13dcordescr2: yea it works on vogue using vogue-hw.c which uses a2m. ginge ported it (kaiser-hw.c) but I think it doesn't have vibra yet
10:45.13cr2dcordes: i've looked at the LCD setup on raphael. it's really scary. kaiser is not much better i guess
10:45.26|szsoftware|dcordes: ahm, ok. rootfs for android, or simply for angstrom-console
10:45.48|szsoftware|dcordes: or simply for testing sd issues
10:45.53dcordes|szsoftware|: for angstrom console the tgreer rootfs is nice
10:46.17dcordesbut it's not present as initrd. it's a tgz which you must extract to sd
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10:46.38|szsoftware|dcordes: ok will check that out. Yeah I've already done that.
10:46.55dcordesbut a console is not so useful w/o keyboard..
10:47.00MnemonicPunkIs there a central place I can upload images to? I built 2 Magician images yesterday but I don't have any good webspace to host them reliably.
10:47.01|szsoftware|dcordes: It stopped after the mmblk0 p1 p2 message
10:47.06cr2dcordes: i don't understand only 1 function that deals with pmic vregs, otherwise i can implement it.
10:47.14cr2bbl
10:47.20dcordescya
10:47.40|szsoftware|dcordes: so "your" missing keyboard (camera button) has'nt been solved?
10:48.01dcordesMnemonicPunk: you can ask BabelO1 to put it in linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa
10:48.07dcordesMnemonicPunk: I can upload it to my ~ as well
10:48.52dcordes|szsoftware|: no. but I know what's the problem. dzo said I must update the fb code in order to make the polaris on screen keyboard work again in 2.6.25
10:50.22MnemonicPunkdcordes: I can upload them to my free host, the hoster just doesn't allow pure download sites so the speeds are severly capped. Would be okay for others to create mirrors from, wouldn't it?
10:51.03dcordeshm what mirrors?
10:51.30|szsoftware|dcordes: oh yes, I remember. But thought, that was done in the zImage-polaris-test-8. Sorry for that impatience
10:52.04dcordes|szsoftware|: no unfortunately it's too complicated for me to upgrade to the latest framebfufer code.
10:52.08MnemonicPunkMirrors as in "I upload it to my painfully slow space and others can get it from there and host it to be downloadable at reasonable speeds" xD
10:52.23dcordesoh right
10:53.17MnemonicPunkBut adding it to htcpxa would be best I guess, the Magician images there are really old. ^^
10:53.23dcordesMnemonicPunk: htcpxa would be a quite suiteable mirror then
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13:17.45yvomsm7200 you're right
13:17.58Marajinyvo: It should say 'Processor: MSM7200-400Mhz' ?
13:17.58yvoarù1136ejs for the processor
13:18.05MarajinO.o
13:18.14Marajina whowhatnow?
13:18.41yvono, it says: "Processor: arm1136ejs MSM7200"
13:18.42dcordesarm11
13:18.50Marajinah right
13:18.58Marajinit corrupted your text
13:19.08MarajinI saw aru1136ejs
13:19.12Marajinthe u confused
13:19.12dcordesyvo: did you change a lot in the msm_sdcc code?
13:20.18dcordesyvo: we might add your machine to the kaiser/polaris tree if you like.
13:20.59yvono, very few changes, only the address of the second channel used and then the channel used
13:21.56yvoI have sent the modifications to MJ (the guy who made works android on the vogue) since he adviced me the changes in the code
13:22.05Raketemenschdoes anyone know why the freeze is happening on the kaiser and polaris? or have good theories?
13:22.23MarajinI don't think anyone precisely knows, it varies based on firmware even Raketemensch
13:22.45Raketemenschhuh, ok
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13:22.57Marajinand people find that it seems to be more reliable if you launch from telnet rather than the on-screen run button and stuff
13:22.57Raketemenschi've onlly successfully fired it up once on my kaiser
13:23.00Marajinit's  kooky
13:23.03dcordesyvo: he is dzo on this channel. that situation of ks20 sd working well with the vogue driver and having the msm7200 radio almost screams for a merge of kaiser and vogue tree.
13:23.19Raketemenschthere's nothing quite like kooky hardware.
13:23.27Marajinhah :p
13:23.34MarajinRaketemensch: It's the charm of owning a HTC phone yes
13:23.39dcordesyvo: you might operate the phone of your ks20 easily with the kaiser-smd driver
13:23.58excois the htc g1 a gsm or cdma phone?
13:24.14cr2exco: wcdma/gsm
13:24.18Marajinexco: I believe it's GSM
13:24.21Marajinyeah
13:24.31excoSo I can buy one on ebay.com and use it in de?
13:24.40Marajinheh
13:24.42Marajinwell
13:25.10dcordesexco: from the network aspect, yes
13:25.17yvodcordes, well, I have just tried to boot with dzo kernel, and compiled mine with its .config. No gone very far for now
13:25.24excowell what other aspect is there, dcordes
13:25.36cr2Marajin: these LCD-related registers want to be initialized also on kaiser -> http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=KaiserMDDI
13:26.05yvodcordes, I'll try with kaiser tree too, it can be interesting
13:27.02dcordesyvo: yes just grab kaiser-smd.c and dependencies. http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/htc-msm it's all in this branch
13:27.52Marajincr2: Um, good? :P
13:29.12Marajincr2: What.. for precisely?
13:29.41cr2Marajin: while android-msm source sets only some of them to the values matching their own panel. i'm surprised nobody burnt his LCD :O)
13:30.03Marajinoh
13:30.27Marajincr2: you realise now you've said that, all over the world kaisers are exploding?
13:30.45dcordes~lart android-msm source for almost burning all of our phones
13:30.45apttakes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down android-msm source's throat until android-msm source puts on 150lbs for almost burning all of our phones
13:30.54cr2yes.
13:31.17MarajinJust very, very slowly it seems ;)
13:31.36dcordesuuuhh I have noticed my display turning dull lately
13:31.40dcordes^^
13:31.54Marajindcordes: well, it gives you a reason to buy a raphael I guess
13:32.44cr2lol
13:32.58dcordeslol no I will sit back and watch cr2 make a perfectly working mainline 2.6.27 ready port first ;p
13:33.18Marajinyeah, you can do it cr2
13:33.24Marajinwe'll pay you in love and adoration!
13:33.30dcordesaka I have no money left for it now :D
13:33.30Marajinand maybe even a chocolate cake
13:33.58cr2dcordes: buy g1 overseas. and hope xda-dev will deal with the arm9 side of things ;)
13:34.18Marajincr2: I just registered to find out about the Uk release
13:34.29Marajinmaybe I get lucky and win a free one in the prize draw
13:34.37cr2Marajin: :D
13:35.15Marajincr2: We should hax the database and make sure that only people from htc-linux get free G1s :>
13:35.52dcordescr2: viberbjk > arm9
13:37.46tmzt_it works on linux now?
13:38.05tmzt_qualcomm tools?
13:38.19dcordesno I think windoze only
13:38.40dcordesand you must pay him a bit to get the full stuff iirc
13:38.47tmzt_tried to use it on wine, needs a registry entry
13:38.59tmzt_but no support for the diag port on usb
13:39.43cr2dcordes: i thought it was gpl. some time ago
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13:39.51dcordeswhat about qemu/vmware? doesn't qemu support usb pass through as well?
13:40.24cr2hehe. it seems i have some filesystem corruption here :(
13:40.52tmzt_like the hash searches are not available yet
13:41.39tmzt_was wondering about things like the lg cdma touchscreen phones, if they were msm7500 based
13:41.50tmzt_but it seems they are msm6550
13:42.43cr2is it hollandish ? -> "Aanvraag wordt uitgevoerd"
13:43.02tmzt_nederlands?
13:43.41cr2dutch ?
13:44.41cr2i see one nice linux app coming :)
13:44.55tmzt_oh, the forums site?
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13:51.12dcordesYour client does not have permission to get URL /p/qcbqsanalyzer/wiki/MSM7200Bootloader from this server.  :(
13:52.11tmzt_dcordes: look in the svn
13:52.27dcordesgot a link?
13:52.31tmzt_no
13:52.49tmzt_the wiki source is in there on all code.google that I can find
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13:55.06dcordesanyway it should be easy to port it to linux. mainline even has drivers for msm7* the usb serial ports
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13:59.15tmzt_would any of that stuff make sense in haret?
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14:07.22cr2hi goxboxlive
14:09.12yvodcordes, I just tried your branch on my KS20, but the kernel doesn't seem to boot, or the framebuffer doesn't work :s. I have nothing more than the haret screen befor a soft reset
14:10.57dcordesyvo: it seems you need the vogue specific msm_fb code then.
14:11.25dcordesyou should stick with the vogue branch when you already have SD and framebuffer working there.
14:12.13dcordesjust grab the arch/arm/mach-msm/kaiser-smd.c and depends from our tree. that will provide you with arm9<>arm11 communication (modem and so)
14:12.26yvoyes, but it was a good idea to try... At least, I know it doesn't work with your branch ;)
14:12.41cr2dcordes: where is the vogue  msm_fb code ?
14:12.53yvodcordes, ok, I didn't understood that before, sorry
14:13.24dcordesin branch htc-vogue drivers/video/msm/msm_fb.c
14:15.19dcordessome things might work better with the kaiser tree, some with the vogue. you must figure that by trying the different stuff. check what kaiser builds in the Makefiles and defconfig. maybe kaiser keybpard or touchscreen could be useful as well
14:15.27dcordessmd is for sure
14:16.28yvoI'll try (but I'm slow, I'm working on totally other things with a customer at the same time...)
14:16.39cr2uh, it's called arm-mingw32ce- now
14:18.10tmzt_dcordes: I think I lost all my old dev sources, including the wine port stuff
14:18.17dcordesyvo: ok. if you have any kaiser/msm7200/other specific question, you can always contact us here. you can also get me on lukas dot gorris  a t googlemail dot com
14:19.13yvodcordes, ok, it's noted
14:19.34yvoI'll keep you informed
14:20.42dcordesthat's great. I hope we can go for a merge of the kaiser polaris.. (msm7200) and vogue .. (msm7500) branch soon. that will ease up integrating ks20
14:21.09cr2dcordes: is there any sane diff ?
14:22.06dcordescr2: of a 7200/7500 hybrid kernel?
14:22.39cr2yes, because some parts are just hacks on top of the android-msm
14:23.22cr2the i2c register location and clock is different, VIC layout is different, what else ?
14:24.54dcordessmd, then htc-msm uses egpio and htc-vogue doesn't
14:25.09dcordesthe whole proc_comm functions
14:25.23dcordestouchscreen keyboard
14:26.18cr2egpio is not msm specific
14:26.36cr2touchscreen in not msm-builtin
14:26.49cr2proc_comm is DEX ?
14:26.58tmzt_egpio are mfd now?
14:27.33cr2tmzt_: i think yes. but mainline is different from -hh implementation
14:27.49tmzt_2.6.27/for-rmk is mainline though, isn't it?
14:28.08cr2not yet
14:28.30tmzt_well, I mean it is for mainline, to be merged in 2.6.28?
14:28.44cr2i think so
14:28.53tmzt_I think jornada and jlime are targetting it too
14:29.02tmzt_with new mfd drivers
14:29.30cr2tmzt_: sa1111 is "mainlined" now ?
14:30.11cr2tmzt_: btw, does jornada[67]* use haret ?
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14:31.22tmzt_hd64461, kristoffer is working on
14:31.27szsoftwareHello again
14:31.52tmzt_the instructions on jlime.com do for arm, they have another one for older machines
14:35.46szsoftwareI just setup oe environment. Heard that oe switches from monotone (mtn) to git. Little hint about how to checkout very appreciated.
14:35.48szsoftwareThanks
14:36.10tmzt_drivers/mfd/hd64461* : Add more MFD code
14:36.18dcordesszsoftware: I was also wondering that until I discovered the note in the gitweb
14:36.40dcordeshold up
14:36.53szsoftwaredcordes: Are you switched to git already?
14:36.57dcordesyep
14:37.28szsoftwaredcordes: I have to read man git
14:38.36szsoftwaredcordes: "git-checkout git.openembedded.net/org.openembedded.dev.git" seems to be to easy?
14:38.43yvook, I'm not the only one lost in git commands... ;)
14:39.03dcordesszsoftware: you must use the git-clone command first
14:39.36dcordesszsoftware: git-clone git://git.linuxtogo.org/home/angstrom/openembedded.git
14:39.52szsoftwaredcordes: thanks, there is something going on in my command-line now
14:39.55szsoftware:-)
14:40.52szsoftwaredcordes: what about git-checkout? is it similar to svn update or so?
14:41.10dcordesthat's giving you the initial tree, then you can checkout the .dev branch: git checkout -b orh.openembedded.dev
14:41.43yvohttp://git.or.cz/course/svn.html for git/svn equiv or so
14:41.47dcordesthe svn update equivalent in git should be git-clone
14:42.32dcordesyvo: nice thanks. been looking for something like that
14:42.42dcordesI'm trying to find out how to commit a branch for a while now
14:43.35dcordesszsoftware: sorry that should be org. above
14:43.37szsoftwaredcordes: so, after git-clone (first step), I have to checkout a certain branch? Or is this done with git-clone, and I need git-checkout later again
14:43.38szsoftware?
14:43.57dcordes"git-branch" will tell you what branch you're in now
14:44.08yvojust found it... I was looking how to extract kaiser-smd.c from one branch to put it in another one...
14:44.21dcordesyou wanna most likely go org.oe.dev so try the above command
14:44.55dcordesyvo: I use the git-web for single bits of code. you can select a raw link for each file
14:45.11dcordesand easily select between its differents revisions
14:45.41yvoold cli habits...
14:47.10szsoftwaredcordes: in ~/.../org.openembedded.dev/ git-branch gives me * master
14:47.25szsoftwaredcordes: can you tell me the next step please?
14:52.01szsoftwaredcordes: sorry didn't read all you ve written above
14:52.40szsoftwaredcordes: checkout/ switch branch is done
15:00.05dcordesszsoftware: ok then you're ready to setup env. vars and local.conf and build
15:00.32szsoftwaredcordes: just set up local conf, right
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15:11.40cr2BabelO: i have compiled roadmap for wince, it even detects the gps uart, and works. but the gui is so unpolished, that it's really painful.
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15:16.39goxboxliveola cr2
15:19.18dcordesbbl
15:19.42szsoftwaredcordes: after setup, I started with "bitbake nano", it seems, oe builds the distro first, right?
15:20.44szsoftwaredcordes: oh, or it prepares the toolchain, anyway it does something :-)
15:28.03tmzt_http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/738765
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15:33.49MnemonicPunkAlright, Magician images almost completely uploaded.
15:40.29szsoftwareGuys, a stupid question: below the Android level, google use a existing distro like angstrom or do they setup there own underlying linux system?
15:41.16tmzt_they have their own, based on a simple init and something like busybox, the system programs and data is in /system, and the user data is in /data
15:41.54MnemonicPunkDon't they run Vogue Linux?
15:41.59szsoftwareah, in the way dzo delivers data.gz and system.gz?
15:42.23szsoftwareor vice versa
15:51.57szsoftwaredcordes: very busy?
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15:58.04cr2Marajin: tell me about the digital compass again
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16:12.37cr20xc618 is bsod ?
16:14.46BabelOcr2, goxboxlive, kiozen : time to compile again :)
16:15.04BabelOhttp://trolltech.com/about/news/qt-extended-4.4-released
16:15.57cr2~ping goxboxlive
16:15.58aptpong goxboxlive
16:16.20BabelOcr2: good, do you want to compile M for wince too ? :)
16:16.44cr2sure :) it's about world domination
16:16.56cr2roadmap can be compiled even for the iphone
16:19.28cr2BabelO: qt-embedded-linux-opensource-src-4.4.3.tar.gz ?
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16:22.44BabelOcr2: yes, where is it ?
16:23.09cr2i picked it here ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/Qt/qt/source/
16:23.43cr22008-09-27 btw
16:24.22cr2ftp://ftp.trolltech.no/qt/source/qt-embedded-linux-opensource-src-4.4.3.tar.gz
16:24.33BabelO<PROTECTED>
16:24.41BabelO~ping lpotter
16:24.42aptpong lpotter
16:26.16cr2marketing stuff ?
16:28.52cr2Nokia Qt Software
16:29.00BabelOcr2: not sure, lpotter says it is close to release, need more test a few weeks ago.
16:29.14BabelOcr2: maybe another replica between brisban and oslo :)
16:32.16BabelOcr2: http://trolltech.com/products/device-creation/qt-extended/qt-extended-4.4-release
16:32.35BabelOcr2: i just see that there is a logo try Qt-extented , just hope it is not only commercial
16:32.44BabelOcr2: videos on bottom
16:33.44BabelOok messenegr app, i prefer mine :)
16:35.00BabelOtime for home, bbl
16:35.04cr2verified on marvell (pxa), freescale (imx ?) and omap
16:35.10cr2nothing about msm :)
16:35.20cr2or s3c24xx
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16:39.19goxboxliveBabelO_: so it's released. Hmm i dont think i remember how i made anymore :-)
16:39.57goxboxliveits not available for download yet
16:41.15cr2"versitile set of requirements"
16:41.50cr2they say it can run off x11
16:45.15cr2lol, phone over IR
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16:53.01yvogot my KS20 booting with vogue with kaiser-smd :p However, stuck at i2c errors...
16:55.13cr2kiozen: the last part should show M ! -> wget    http://dist.trolltech.com/video/qtextended.m4v
17:01.47cr2BabelO: LOL, a 35MB .mov demo how to create an app for qtopia :)
17:04.20BabelOcr2: i ve to talk to lpotter about the messenegr app, i m not so happy to see this simple thing
17:06.05cr2ok
17:06.50yvobye guys
17:15.53BabelOcr2: do you see this one ? ftp://ftp.silug.org/pub/qt/source/qt-wince-opensource-src-4.4.0-beta1.zip
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17:19.48cr2BabelO: qt-embedded-wince-*4.4.3* ?
17:20.34BabelOyes i think it is qome advance version, look strange
17:20.42BabelOneed to wait lpotter
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17:31.41cr2bbl
17:38.13dcordesre
17:40.01szsoftwaredcordes: niceto see you again
17:40.57dcordesszsoftware: how is OE?
17:41.22szsoftwaredcordes: oh,since 17:19 it builds and builds
17:41.36szsoftwareafter "bitbake nano"
17:42.14szsoftwaredcordes: normal behavior, when running it first time?
17:42.26dcordesit first builds the toolchain and then all the required headers libraries etc etc
17:42.37dcordesthen some day it makes the final package
17:42.50szsoftwaredcordes: yeah I assumed that/was afraid of that ;-)
17:43.13dcordesbut OE knows what it did and next time it won't rebuild all that.
17:43.56lpotterBabelO: pong
17:44.03szsoftwaredcordes:  I see
17:44.09BabelOlpotter: yes
17:44.30lpotteryou ping me first
17:44.45lpotter:)
17:45.23BabelOlpotter: yes, why you use only the telepathy layer and not tapioca upper that, my app should work a little better that your sample demo i think :(
17:45.41dcordesbbiab
17:45.53BabelOlpotter: does someone see my app and how it is done ?
17:46.15lpotterBabelO: I only recently enheirited the telepathy stuff
17:46.21BabelOlpotter: because i send it last time for the grant program and never get any feed back :(
17:46.44BabelOlpotter: can i suggest you tapioca layer ?
17:46.46lpottersorry about that.
17:47.01BabelOlpotter: quy who develop this layer is from nokia
17:47.21BabelOlpotter: i help him to fix some wrong thing in
17:48.00BabelOlpotter: all the good code is int git
17:49.21lpottercant seem to get into the tapiolca-vopi sf site
17:49.27lpottervoip that is
17:51.41BabelOlpotter: wait asking the guy in live :)
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17:55.48Marajin_allo allo
17:55.52lpotterI can certainly ask the guy that did the presence stuff in qtopia if he knows about tapioca
17:56.10szsoftwaredcordes: where in Marajin_: allo allo
17:56.18szsoftwareups
17:57.00BabelOlpotter: that can be good, and if he see my applciation too :) tapioca is easy to use, i can get small picture of contact, make many dialog at same time with different messenegr - gtalk, msn and so )
17:57.15Marajin_szsoftware: feeling ok there are ya? :p
17:58.06Marajinya know BabelO I was wondering if you'd gone a bit insane for a moment
17:58.12Marajintalking about telepathy and tapioca
17:58.22Marajinreading minds and a pudding...
17:58.26MnemonicPunklol
17:58.49MnemonicPunkAn instant messenger to read pudding minds, a really great idea. =)
17:58.50BabelOlol
17:58.59MarajinI was about to buy you a nice new white jacket and send you to the padded rooms
17:59.41MarajinDoes tapioca have a mind? I hope not
17:59.52Marajinhow dull would tapioca's thoughts be..
18:01.04lpotterya, you would think that with all this telepathy stuff, they would not need any code! Whats with that?
18:01.35Marajinstares into his Kaiser's vgacam and concentrates......
18:01.43Marajin0111010100110101000101011101001010111...
18:01.44Marajin:p
18:01.56MnemonicPunklpotter: It's not code, it's compiled voodoo!
18:02.10MarajinMnemonicPunk: that depends on how drunk the coder is
18:02.15Marajindrunk code is voodoo
18:02.23Marajinsober code is mearly dark arts
18:02.25MnemonicPunkStoned code, too?
18:02.36Marajinoh no that tends to merely be whimsical
18:02.43MnemonicPunk=(
18:03.09Marajindrunk code is the worst I've seen to date
18:03.23MnemonicPunkYeh.
18:03.32Marajinthat's the kinda code you look at in the morning and go '...when'd I write that... and is it even in the right language?'
18:03.46Marajinand yet it's some of the best working code you'v ever written
18:04.35MnemonicPunkThat's the kind of code you read and think "What the hell was this guy doiing? And thinking? Was he thinking?"
18:05.10MnemonicPunkEither you're lucky and it works.
18:05.22MarajinI love seeing comments like 'We don't know what this does, but it does it so we leave it alone.'
18:05.39MnemonicPunkOr you're unlucky and upon next use of ls notice that you somehow have symlinked ls to rm -rf / when you were drunk.
18:05.58MarajinI think that might just be you MnemonicPunk
18:06.04MnemonicPunkMaybe.
18:06.20MnemonicPunkWould explain why my files keep disappearing.
18:06.24MarajinMe, I find I've symlinked ls to Global Thermonuclear War
18:06.25Marajin;)
18:07.19MnemonicPunkHm. Then ls goes "The following files WERE in this directory before you nuked the world"?
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18:16.13NetRippercr2, there have been a lot of new commits on the android git repository, regarding msm stuff
18:16.21NetRippercr2, in the for-rmk branch
18:22.18szsoftwaredcordes:ping
18:22.21szsoftwaredcordes: ping
18:23.19szsoftwareNetRipper, cr2: what does for-rmk stand for?
18:23.31NetRippernot sure
18:23.51NetRipperseems like a testing branch
18:23.52szsoftwarefor rapid moving kernel stuff?
18:24.01szsoftware:-)
18:24.15NetRipperi'd believe you if you said that were true
18:24.18dcordespong
18:26.59tmzt_for-rmk is a tree for the arm maintainer
18:27.50dcordesI wonder if mainline wil eat the android folder
18:28.14dcordeswith the binder and the pmem thing and so
18:31.21cr2Every time I try to run haret.exe it throws up en error saying "'HARET' is not a valid Pocket PC application. "
18:31.48tmzt_on 27c?
18:31.54tmzt_just got that on mp900c
18:32.40tmzt_can I trace gpios without haretconsole (using putty on the device)?
18:36.55cr2tmzt_: yes, you can. .py stuff makes it easier, and the output niceer.
18:39.34cr2probably some coredll function is not implemented in your device. use 'objdump -p'
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18:41.12cr2hehe.
18:41.14cr2http://code.google.com/p/htc-flasher/wiki/HomePage
18:46.03dcordescr2: it's all the pof stuff, right?
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18:52.48cr2yes
18:53.02cr2but it's missing the older devices.
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19:00.12wasup~seen ali1234
19:00.15aptali1234 <n=al@robotfuzz.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 6d 27m 45s ago, saying: 'if you get hangs, best to try it a few times just in case'.
19:00.22wasup6 days wow
19:00.40szsoftwarehey guys, what about this aspect: So long as the sd-driver for kaiser isn't reliable, we could use NAND. If a nand-driver has less problems, this could be a "workaround"
19:01.12wasupsd doesn't work good for the kaiser?
19:01.35szsoftwarewasup: no, dcordes can tell you the story
19:01.45dcordeswasup: it got better but still unreliable (crashes mostly on multiple file accesses)
19:02.46szsoftwareso, in the rom (wm fat partition) accessed through nand-driver, there could be a ext2 loop file, that save things for us
19:03.34dcordeswasup: does nand work on vogue/titan?
19:03.36szsoftwareif there is enough space (e.g. minimal wm) we can have distros like android in that loopfile and load that instead from sd
19:03.46dcordesyea
19:03.55cr2what about nand ?
19:04.15cr2NetRipper: have you tried to enable flashlight in the board file ?
19:04.17dcordesszsoftware: thinks it would be a good idea to make it work on kaiser/polaris/etc
19:04.42cr2NetRipper: you may also disable the UART1 serial console, and the halibut CPLD code.
19:05.00szsoftwareit was a thought.Just for the log :-)
19:05.02NetRipperim working on a way to do that
19:05.49NetRippercr2, do you know if the mmu is enabled when board-halibut or board-htcdiamond initializes?
19:06.05dcordestakes a glance at the vogue defconfig
19:08.19szsoftwaredoes someone know which nand is built in vogue?
19:08.50wasupidk...how do i check??
19:08.58wasupdcoredes: ^
19:09.10wasupdcordes:^
19:09.13wasup*
19:09.27cr2NetRipper: don't know, but you'd use the gpio api.
19:10.32dcordesszsoftware: didn't you mention you found something about the kaiser nand type in the wiki?
19:11.13cr2hm. the SD clocks for A need to be checked.
19:11.14szsoftwaredcordes: yes
19:12.23cr21<<7 = 0x80 ?
19:13.14szsoftwaredcordes: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320994
19:14.33dcordesszsoftware: thanks
19:14.49dcordesso let's see if we can boot with the stock google nand
19:16.26szsoftwaredcordes: I hope some nice guys will read the logs and say "huh, thats easy done"
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19:23.40wasupdcordes: how do i check the nand??
19:26.30dcordeswasup: run dmesg | grep nand
19:26.33dcordesor mtd
19:27.23dcordescr2: nand base is already set (halibut) to the same value as documented in the KaiserMemoryMap
19:28.06NetRippermsm framebuffer uses a strange fbram base address as well
19:30.31szsoftwarewasup: whats your device?
19:30.45dcordescr2: how can I find out the NAND offsets?
19:31.36cr2the -for-rmk patches are rather evil
19:32.00wasuptitan
19:32.05cr2dcordes: offsets ?
19:32.08wasupszsoftware: titan
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19:32.20dcordescr2: #define NAND_REG(off) (MSM_NAND_BASE + (off))
19:32.31dcordeslike #define NAND_FLASH_CMD            NAND_REG(0x0000) and #define NAND_XFR_STEP2            NAND_REG(0x0074)
19:32.51cr2the patch replaces MSM7x00A with "just" MSM
19:33.21cr2dcordes: i'm not a nand expert
19:33.27NetRipperthat's just one of the patches
19:33.32szsoftwarewasup:ok thanks
19:34.06wasupszsoftware: did you find any info on the keyboard?
19:34.23szsoftwarewasup: ?
19:35.34wasupszsoftware: like how to interpret the gpios data
19:35.37wasupand all that
19:36.12szsoftwarewasup: no I'm not in that stuff and have polaris
19:36.43szsoftwarewasup: sorry :-(
19:36.53wasupoh...
19:36.55wasupsorry
19:37.20wasupdoes anyone know about how to make a keyboard work?
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19:37.50cr2NetRipper: diamond/raphael does not care, but 7x00 people need to be careful.
19:37.56dcordeswasup: did you get the patch frm barry already?
19:38.07wasupno, what patch?
19:38.08dcordesdzo: did you try nand?
19:38.27dcordeswasup: the one with the titan keypad driver based on kaiser keypad driver.
19:38.39wasupno
19:38.44NetRippercr2, there was 7x00 vs 7x00a detection code, wasn't there?
19:38.45wasupwhere do i get that?
19:38.54dcordeswasup: email barry
19:39.13wasupwhats his email?
19:41.13cr2NetRipper: i know how to detect 7201A vs. 7200A
19:41.21cr2it's in the wiki
19:43.13NetRippercr2, oh i thought it was A vs non-A
19:43.27dcordescr2: any chance to get the nand offsets from spl?
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19:45.22cr2dcordes: i have seen some MTD-style table there.
19:45.39cr2with chip ids, and some other data.
19:46.03cr2lol
19:46.06cr2#define SUPPORT_WRONG_ECC_CONFIG 1
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19:47.39cr2it looks much better than this ->
19:47.44cr2+       if ((flash_id & 0xffff) == 0xaaec) /* 2Gbit Samsung chip */
19:47.48cr2+               mtd->size = 256 << 20; /* * num_chips */
19:47.52cr2+       else if (flash_id == 0x5580baad) /* 2Gbit Hynix chip */
19:47.56cr2+               mtd->size = 256 << 20; /* * num_chips */
19:47.56cr2+       else if (flash_id == 0x5510baad) /* 2Gbit Hynix chip */
19:47.56cr2+               mtd->size = 256 << 20; /* * num_chips */
19:47.57cr2+       pr_info("flash_id: %x size %x\n", flash_id, mtd->size);
19:47.59cr2and more complete
19:49.03cr2dcordes: your offsets are in drivers/mtd/devices/msm_nand.h ?
19:50.38cr2hmm. we need out own vreg* and clk* routines.
19:59.19tmzt_huh, I get a socket error, can't connect to localhost or 127.0.0.1
20:07.33dcordescr2: yes but can I assume they are correct just because the base matches??
20:10.33dcordesI have a dmesg
20:10.47dcordeswith the unchanged nand code init
20:10.48NetRipperinit/main.c is the main entry point of the linux kernel (besides the assembler that prepares calling it), right?
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20:13.36cr2NetRipper: kernel_start()
20:14.03NetRipperyea start_kernel()
20:14.10NetRipperin the main
20:14.28NetRippercr2, do you know if the MMU is enabled by then already?
20:17.05szsoftwaredcordes: I'm curious about your dmesg
20:18.17cr2i think it should be enabled.
20:19.10cr2check where msm kernel maps gpio
20:20.06cr2#define MSM_GPIO1_BASE        IOMEM(0xE0003000)
20:20.23cr2#define MSM_GPIO2_BASE        IOMEM(0xE0004000)
20:21.03NetRipperin what file
20:21.05NetRipperdo you see that
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20:21.34NetRipperhm
20:21.35NetRippergpio_hw
20:21.58cr2you need bank2, it's gpio1
20:23.15cr20xE0003000 + +0x804
20:23.27NetRipperi got it to work under haret
20:23.31cr2ok
20:23.35NetRipperi was using ioremap() in kernel
20:23.41NetRipperdidnt see those defines
20:24.05dcordesszsoftware: I will put one with the highest debug level enabled
20:26.54NetRippercr2, why 0xE0003000 as base? wiki defines 0xa9200000
20:27.16NetRipper(which works)
20:27.33szsoftwaredcordes: thanks. Pastebin? Your Server?
20:28.39cr2NetRipper: MMU is on.
20:29.03NetRipperso, shouldn't it remap on the fly? a virtual address can change on per-boot base?
20:29.08NetRipper(isn't that what IOMEM() does?
20:29.29cr2NetRipper: IOMEM is "already" remapped in this way.
20:29.41cr2it#s static mapping.
20:30.12NetRipperso IOMEM is not like haret's P2V
20:30.23NetRipperi used ioremap() assuming it was like P2V ;)
20:31.14cr2you don't really need to ioremap, because it's already done.
20:31.35cr2iomem 0xE0003000 _is_ 0xa9200000 physical
20:32.14NetRipperi was using it like
20:32.15NetRippervolatile unsigned *bank2_in = ioremap(0xa9200838, 0x4);
20:32.15NetRippervolatile unsigned *bank2_out = ioremap(0xa9200804, 0x4);
20:33.35NetRipperput that right after start_kernel(), and added setting the flashlight bit obviously
20:33.42NetRipperdidn't work, neither in board-halibut
20:33.46NetRipperbut i'll try the GPIO's
20:33.51cr2ok, if you don't want to use static mapping...
20:34.27NetRipperwell i dont care if its dirty, as long as it works, but if this is flawed i'll obviously use static mapping
20:34.30NetRipperim new to this :p
20:35.32dcordesszsoftware: building..
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20:44.27dcordescr2: mddi_pmdh: mddi_add_panel(c02ead30, c0255e24) the values in the brackets change each time my kaiser boots. is that normal?
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20:45.33dcordeskaiser nand dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m16769179
20:45.41dcordes(with halibut msm_nand code)
20:47.10cr2dcordes: are these some pointers ?
20:47.42dcordescr2: hm?
20:49.28dcordescr2: not sure what you mean
20:50.24cr2what is the prototype for mddi_add_panel( ?
20:51.42dcordeswhat prototype? I have a topoly display
20:52.35NetRippercr2, on what kernel/branch did you get those MSM_GPIO1_BASE defines?
20:53.13NetRippermsm_iomap.h:#define MSM_GPIO1_BASE        0xE0007000
20:53.19NetRipperdifferent one
20:55.13cr2hmm.
20:55.26cr2NetRipper: take the value that you have in your kernel
21:00.30NetRipperno flashlight is acting up, so either kernel doesn't boot or doesn't get to board-halibut init
21:00.52cr2ok
21:01.08szsoftwaredcordes: so what do you think about that nand issue. Will we see something about nand-partitions in dmesg soon?
21:01.09cr2have you disabled uart1 and cpld ?
21:01.14NetRippernot yet
21:01.19cr2ok
21:01.37dcordesszsoftware: I have no clue what the dmesg means and what we need to do
21:01.59NetRippercr2, just for my understanding, should ioremap() work or would it return a wrong value?
21:02.13szsoftwaredcordes: hmm, but concerning nand, there is no "error" mentioned :-)
21:02.22dcordesszsoftware: I hope we can talk to barry about it as soon as he's back
21:02.50szsoftwaredcordes: btw, ist that line in dmesg one which makes you sick these days:
21:02.57szsoftwaredcordes: acx-mem: probe of acx-mem.0 failed with error -5
21:02.59cr2NetRipper: i think it should work. but it will create a different entry
21:03.12NetRipperok
21:03.37dcordesszsoftware: yea we need the wifi base address for kaiser
21:03.50dcordesbut I don't know how we can get it
21:04.04dcordeswell I do know a way BabelO proposed, but I can't do that
21:04.35dcordesthere is a way to poll those mem devices so they return the value.
21:05.54szsoftwaredcordes: how many does exist, so that you can't try them all  in a routine?
21:06.57dcordessomebody said they should be close to the cpld base
21:08.20dcordesbut I doubt I'm in the position yet to try them out
21:08.37dcordesthe htckaiser_acx init you see in the dmesg does nothing
21:09.23dcordeson the other hand I don't know if it's maybe enough to enable wifi in wince because the init sequences are mostly power gpio and such
21:09.58szsoftwaredcordes: yes seems to be very complicated
21:11.30dcordescr2: mind taking a look at my acx diff and dmesg?
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21:30.20NetRippercr2, do you know if on hermes gpio for in/out are the same?
21:33.15cr2NetRipper: hermes is different cpu
21:33.21NetRipperi know
21:33.32cr2dcordes: i'm looking at the raph100 wifi config
21:33.59NetRippergpio don't work similarly at all when setting one?
21:35.36NetRippergot it
21:40.08cr2NetRipper: ?
21:40.31tmzt_cr2: how do gpio's map to irq's on pxa?
21:41.14NetRippercr2, got it to set a gpio
21:41.23cr2NetRipper: where ?
21:41.25NetRippercr2, im trying my linux hack on hermes first, so that i know it'll actually work
21:41.36cr2ok
21:41.49cr2tmzt_: it's some offset
21:43.03tmzt_ok, kristoffer said there where 15 gpios that the usb could be, so I am trying to go through them in the isp116x resources, with kexec
21:43.23tmzt_the H_WAKEUP line
21:48.39cr2tmzt_: why not use haret ?
21:50.49tmzt_16:39 < kristoffer__> zear, almost is the word. We are trying to locate a PIN,   got 15 to choose from.
21:51.37tmzt_I don't know, I guess I would have to do the haret watch gpios (wi now?), build, boot, test, do it again
21:51.49tmzt_I just wonder if kexec and make zImage would be faster ?
21:54.43tmzt_ALoGeNo: that one didn't work, right?
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21:57.25tmzt_I had the dumpgpios somewhere, I guess I'll have to do that again first
21:58.34tmzt_cr2: would /proc/interrupts help?
22:08.11cr2tmzt_: no. only if you already have the handler :)
22:08.45cr2NetRipper: 1.02.25.19
22:08.51cr2NetRipper: what version is that ?
22:09.18tmzt_I meant to eliminate other irqs, I have haret now
22:09.26tmzt_but cannot connect on localhost
22:12.12cr253435448
22:12.25NetRippercr2, radio rom?
22:13.06NetRipperyes, radio rom
22:13.59NetRipperi hate windows
22:14.02tmzt_cr2: does haret bind on every device?
22:14.05NetRipperespecially when it makes me reboot my pc
22:14.17tmzt_cr2: interface
22:14.48cr20.0.0.0
22:14.55cr2bizarre crypto
22:15.08tmzt_ok, I have no interfaces in ipconfig at all
22:15.54tmzt_can I use a startup.txt and log it somehow?
22:16.13NetRipperyou're trying to connect to your haret?
22:16.23tmzt_yes, with putty
22:16.41NetRipperit should be ip 169.254.2.1 (your pc gets .2)
22:16.58NetRipperon your wm device, go to settings -> connections -> usb to pc
22:16.59tmzt_theres got to be a registry thing, there is for hosts, I had an application for editing that
22:17.02NetRipperenable advanced thingy
22:17.29tmzt_I don't have anyway to setup a usb connection right now
22:17.49NetRipperoh
22:18.02NetRipperputty locally on windows mobile then?
22:18.18NetRipperor wifi?
22:18.36tmzt_trying putty on ce, that is what is not working
22:19.01NetRippermake sure you set port 9999 and use raw or telnet protocol
22:19.05tmzt_even with the wifi up and using its ip it didn't work
22:19.16NetRipperwhen you start haret, you need to press 'listen for connection' :p
22:19.29tmzt_there is no loopback driver/interface that I can find
22:19.37tmzt_but ping localhost works
22:19.39NetRipper127.0.0.1 should work
22:20.46tmzt_net
22:22.08NetRipperanyway
22:22.25NetRipperyou can put a file "earlyharetlog.txt" in same dir as haret.exe
22:22.29NetRipperthen it'll log everything
22:22.33NetRipperso you can put commands in default.txt
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22:24.23NetRipper(or startup.txt)
22:56.51NetRippercr2, got it to work on my hermes kernel.. i put it in raphael kernel but it doesn't get passed the start_kernel()
22:57.20NetRippercr2, i put the flashlight enabling code just before rest_init()
22:57.30NetRipperi'll try narrowing it down tomorrow
22:57.49NetRippercan't use ioremap too early as memory needs to be initialized first
22:59.29NetRipperanyway, bedtime, night
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23:03.58tmzt_http://en.pastebin.no/43576
23:07.05cr2NetRipper: good night
23:07.30cr2tmzt_: 12 irqs
23:07.40cr2tmzt_: do you know which one is what ?
23:14.54tmzt_I can give you /proc/interfaces after I boot
23:15.02tmzt_/proc/interrupts
23:15.14tmzt_is there something else I can do first?
23:25.47tmzt_http://en.pastebin.no/43592
23:32.55bryan__hey everyone .
23:33.22bryan__just trying to probe my device's gpios .
23:34.05bryan__HA i thought i bricked my phone .. went to telus girl ordered me a new one ... didnt even hard-reset it . i cam home did it later and it works .. HA silly store
23:34.52tmzt_someone got ks20 working, but has similar i2c problems
23:37.40bryan__coo .  this one add keeps scrolling on my screen when i "watch gpios"   mem GPIOS(6) 92a00c20=07f030a0 (00000800)
23:37.58bryan__now i can tell it to ignore with ibit gpios 6 right ...
23:37.59bryan__?
23:38.24bryan__but it comes back after i say press a button to envoke another gpio event .
23:39.09cr2tmzt_: why don't you have a handler for the power button ? is it gpio0 ?
23:40.07tmzt_I think it is on BTUART on a pic, with ts, kbd, leds
23:40.13cr2tmzt_: ok
23:40.32cr2tmzt_: you should trace the irqs.
23:40.46tmzt_can I do that with startup.txt?
23:40.56cr2the tables do not say me much
23:41.06cr2haretconsole is better
23:43.14cr2good night
23:46.01tmzt_ok, I'll get that working at home
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