| 00:00.08 | herriojr | lol |
| 00:00.25 | herriojr | oh my god, I can't get this damn application installed |
| 00:00.47 | dcordes_ | herriojr: I fear in the #android channel they won't be of help |
| 00:00.49 | Marajin | Over here we just kinda go "Bush!" and that's it, that's the whole joke. Nothing more need be said |
| 00:00.57 | dcordes_ | some think it's illegal to run it on your phone :D |
| 00:01.01 | dcordes_ | over there |
| 00:01.13 | herriojr | no it's not, lol |
| 00:01.31 | ginge_ | herriojr: probably against the TOS of the SDK |
| 00:01.43 | dcordes_ | the same person who said this to me, tried the dzo builds on his vogue |
| 00:01.43 | ali1234 | it certainly is |
| 00:01.43 | herriojr | I guess they don't know the difference between illegal and a contract violation, but it is neither |
| 00:02.01 | herriojr | I'm going to join the channel |
| 00:02.16 | dcordes_ | fun |
| 00:02.36 | Marajin | dcordes_: Are you inciting riot?! |
| 00:03.08 | ginge_ | lets ahh join. FIGHT! |
| 00:03.21 | Marajin | You do realise that google's attitude about what we're doing varies from "They did what? ahahahaa" to "NEAT!" |
| 00:03.49 | ginge_ | I figure they dont care all that much |
| 00:03.50 | herriojr | lol |
| 00:03.57 | Marajin | generally they don't |
| 00:04.01 | ginge_ | its not like it will be closed source in the end |
| 00:04.01 | dcordes_ | Marajin: no hate. I just had some stupid discussions with persons there, especially with a guy named jaster. (the vogue person) |
| 00:04.10 | Marajin | some are bemused though |
| 00:04.12 | LanceHaig | Hi Do you guys think we will ever be able to use android without having windows on our phones? |
| 00:04.15 | Marajin | and some think it's really cool |
| 00:04.23 | Marajin | LanceHaig: Undoubtedly |
| 00:04.28 | dcordes_ | LanceHaig: the bootloader topic :) |
| 00:04.40 | LanceHaig | I just want to rid myself of this c*** software |
| 00:04.49 | Marajin | I imagine some devices can already technically flash android? |
| 00:04.54 | ginge_ | om ftw |
| 00:04.56 | LanceHaig | I love the phone but the software sucks |
| 00:04.57 | herriojr | I did it on the N810 |
| 00:04.58 | ali1234 | LanceHaig: don't need windows. somebody just needs to figure out how to make a diag. card for kaiser |
| 00:05.11 | dcordes_ | LanceHaig: which phone? |
| 00:05.13 | herriojr | it's not a phone, but I installed it so that you didn't need windows |
| 00:05.22 | LanceHaig | Kaiser II |
| 00:05.39 | Marajin | what the? |
| 00:05.49 | Marajin | Kaiser II? wtf is a Kaiser II? |
| 00:05.57 | ginge_ | the whooojimmywhatnow |
| 00:06.12 | LanceHaig | sorry it is late here and I have not slept in a few days |
| 00:06.23 | Marajin | LanceHaig: That's what caffeine is for man |
| 00:06.43 | Marajin | LanceHaig: Do you mean the diamond and/or Raphael? (Touch Diamond/Touch Pro) ? |
| 00:07.04 | Marajin | the Raphael (Touch Pro) would be the direct successor to the kaiser |
| 00:07.17 | LanceHaig | Sorry the is the TytNII |
| 00:07.24 | Marajin | oh |
| 00:07.25 | Marajin | hah |
| 00:07.34 | Marajin | So it's just the kaiser :P |
| 00:07.36 | LanceHaig | I had the II right :-) |
| 00:07.47 | Marajin | well LanceHaig, you're amongst friends ;) |
| 00:08.32 | LanceHaig | I am glad |
| 00:08.42 | LanceHaig | I have been roasted on some channels before |
| 00:09.05 | Marajin | points at half the channel being Kaiser owners |
| 00:09.27 | LanceHaig | If I can help let me know |
| 00:09.32 | LanceHaig | I am no coder though |
| 00:09.38 | Marajin | 'sok |
| 00:09.56 | Marajin | We've got a couple of people to abuse for code work |
| 00:10.26 | LanceHaig | LOL |
| 00:11.42 | ginge_ | please sir, let me stop coding... my fingers are worn down to the bone |
| 00:12.23 | Marajin | If you work them off completely we'll buy you a neural interface! |
| 00:12.37 | ginge_ | cool! |
| 00:12.46 | ginge_ | types like a monkey |
| 00:12.57 | Marajin | LanceHaig: Ya see, it's just too easy to get them towor |
| 00:13.10 | Marajin | s/towor/to work/ |
| 00:13.20 | LanceHaig | hehe |
| 00:13.31 | dcordes_ | we also have martin___ and premy :P |
| 00:13.52 | LanceHaig | apt so I can apt-get android on my phone then :-) |
| 00:14.02 | LanceHaig | see the pun :-) |
| 00:14.19 | LanceHaig | Well I hope to help any way I can |
| 00:14.46 | LanceHaig | I will lurk here while I look for work |
| 00:15.17 | dcordes_ | you can install debian now |
| 00:15.32 | Marajin | kinda yeah |
| 00:15.34 | dcordes_ | just deboostrap an arm lenny |
| 00:15.48 | dcordes_ | then you have your apt :) |
| 00:16.08 | dcordes_ | Marajin: we should try that just for fun |
| 00:17.18 | ginge_ | fun? sadist |
| 00:17.55 | Marajin | ginge_: My sentiments precisely |
| 00:17.58 | ginge_ | . o O ( pot, kettle, black ) |
| 00:18.10 | Marajin | hah :P |
| 00:18.56 | herriojr | dcordes: they asked you a question before you left #android |
| 00:19.14 | dcordes_ | oh didn't notice that |
| 00:19.24 | herriojr | that's alright, I think he just figured it out |
| 00:19.37 | dcordes_ | ok cool |
| 00:20.44 | dcordes_ | herriojr: what did they ask? |
| 00:21.17 | herriojr | (10:14:02 AM) jasta: how on earth does the data radio work? is this because it's a serial device and the code written by google will happily dial /dev/ttyS0? |
| 00:21.17 | herriojr | (10:14:26 AM) jasta: and it just works by some divine coincidence that the dialer codes used by google work with this radio device? |
| 00:22.34 | dcordes_ | divine computer scientist rather |
| 00:23.07 | herriojr | lol |
| 00:23.31 | herriojr | ok, I need to restart to windows to try and install this rom....sick of haret not working |
| 00:23.41 | herriojr | and I can't install over sd |
| 00:24.08 | herriojr | I have to catch the train right after that, so I probably won't be back until a bit later |
| 00:24.12 | herriojr | bye |
| 00:24.16 | *** part/#htc-linux herriojr (n=herriojr@65.173.101.2) |
| 00:24.17 | ginge_ | cya |
| 00:24.20 | ginge_ | doh |
| 00:24.56 | Marajin | heh |
| 00:25.11 | dcordes_ | linux flasher |
| 00:47.24 | *** join/#htc-linux herriojr (n=Miranda@65.173.101.2) |
| 00:47.35 | herriojr | well, I hope I didn't just brick my phone |
| 00:48.20 | dcordes_ | did you cancel the flashing process? |
| 00:49.56 | herriojr | it came up with an error and cancelled itself |
| 00:50.00 | herriojr | doesn't looked bricked though |
| 00:50.05 | herriojr | I'll continue trying when I get home |
| 00:50.14 | herriojr | bye |
| 00:51.25 | dcordes_ | you'll need hardspl |
| 00:51.34 | dcordes_ | if your rom is not signed |
| 00:52.03 | dcordes_ | ruu signed or so. I don't know what I'm talking about really since I olny flashed once and forgot most of it |
| 00:52.58 | Marajin | heh |
| 00:53.03 | Marajin | some use you are dcordes_ :P |
| 00:59.10 | LanceHaig | dcordes_, you were talking on the other channel about running a linux distro on your kaiser |
| 00:59.12 | ginge_ | night |
| 00:59.16 | LanceHaig | is it usable? |
| 00:59.20 | Marajin | ginge_: Wussing out on us? |
| 00:59.26 | Marajin | ginge_: No neural interface fo you! |
| 00:59.34 | ginge_ | sobs |
| 01:00.00 | ginge_ | yeah, been soldering all night and my eyes really hurt |
| 01:00.14 | Marajin | Who needs eyes?! |
| 01:00.26 | ginge_ | :) |
| 01:00.30 | ginge_ | cya |
| 01:02.36 | dcordes_ | LanceHaig: depends on what you consider usable and what you wanna do |
| 01:02.52 | LanceHaig | sorry that was a bit vague |
| 01:03.13 | dcordes_ | no it wasn't |
| 01:03.21 | LanceHaig | I should ask then would your phone still work |
| 01:03.28 | LanceHaig | but have missing features? |
| 01:03.33 | dcordes_ | you can go online very well in angstrom |
| 01:03.49 | dcordes_ | you have to know how to use a console in linux |
| 01:03.53 | LanceHaig | or is it just a "pc" and no phone stuff |
| 01:04.04 | dcordes_ | because the touchscreen doesn't work in the graphical interface (yet) |
| 01:04.05 | LanceHaig | I am very happy with consoles |
| 01:04.15 | LanceHaig | I came from a novell backround |
| 01:04.19 | dcordes_ | can't call in it |
| 01:04.25 | dcordes_ | but gprs works very well |
| 01:04.33 | LanceHaig | ahh ok then that shoots me down then |
| 01:04.41 | Marajin | hah |
| 01:04.47 | Marajin | dcordes_: We so should make an ncurses dialer |
| 01:04.56 | LanceHaig | I need to use the phone for work |
| 01:05.03 | LanceHaig | and also the GPS |
| 01:05.13 | dcordes_ | you can use gps in angstrom |
| 01:05.16 | Marajin | LanceHaig: Well you can use the GPS actually.. kinda |
| 01:05.52 | Marajin | dcordes_: Can't we technically get X workingw ithout TS man? dpad and whatnot controls?! |
| 01:05.54 | LanceHaig | ? |
| 01:06.21 | ali1234 | it's not usable at all |
| 01:06.23 | Marajin | LanceHaig: Oh angstrom can read from teh GPS device but there's no GUI so nomaps |
| 01:06.24 | LanceHaig | Marajin, as in using the gps to get from a to b? |
| 01:06.27 | dcordes_ | Marajin: you control the openmoko gtk images (openmoko-image) quite well with dpad |
| 01:06.35 | LanceHaig | I am crap with directions on my bike :-) |
| 01:06.47 | Marajin | dcordes_: They boot? Last time I tried openmoko-image it got to the X cursor and froze |
| 01:07.04 | LanceHaig | Marajin, ahh thanks |
| 01:07.18 | LanceHaig | I can't wait for you guys to do your magic |
| 01:08.01 | Marajin | LanceHaig: Well apparently we can have a GUI but no touchscreen eheh |
| 01:08.14 | dcordes_ | I'm not so sure about the gui part |
| 01:08.19 | dcordes_ | I picked that up earlier with tmzt |
| 01:08.29 | dcordes_ | at least not in the gpe-image |
| 01:08.48 | LanceHaig | This is one of those moments I wish I could code |
| 01:08.50 | dcordes_ | I tried to run gpe apps on display :0 while Xfbdev was running and no joy |
| 01:09.02 | Marajin | LanceHaig: Even skilled coders are kinda going mad over this point man |
| 01:09.10 | dcordes_ | but in one of the openmoko-images, starting the moko X terminal worked |
| 01:09.18 | Marajin | dcordes_: hmm right |
| 01:09.32 | dcordes_ | I actually never ran anything in X in the gpe ones |
| 01:09.37 | Marajin | Do we know why that's buggered? |
| 01:09.38 | dcordes_ | maybe we should stick with openmoko |
| 01:09.56 | dcordes_ | no that's why I will prepare one of the moko images for ts testing tomorrow |
| 01:10.07 | dcordes_ | they must also have the dbus hal stuff |
| 01:10.19 | dcordes_ | the moko gtk env. is all about dbus and so |
| 01:10.45 | dcordes_ | shoragan will make it work anyway though |
| 01:12.10 | Marajin | dcordes_: are you sure? :P |
| 01:12.40 | dcordes_ | of course not |
| 01:13.04 | Marajin | and hmm, well isn't it just easier to get perses to rebuild the moko image with the included packages, since it should have cached nearly everything for it at this point. What do we need to do, just an variable to include the packages yep? |
| 01:14.13 | dcordes_ | I put /etc/ts.conf /etc/pointercal /etc/profile.d/tslib.sh |
| 01:14.38 | AstainHellbring | so I have a few questions for anyone that feels like answering some |
| 01:14.48 | dcordes_ | tslib.sh is exporting the variables |
| 01:14.58 | dcordes_ | shoot |
| 01:15.17 | Marajin | AstainHellbring: It wasn't me, I didn't do it, the photographs are fakes, dcordes staged it all! |
| 01:15.28 | AstainHellbring | how would I improve the touch screen accuracy on the x51v? |
| 01:15.39 | AstainHellbring | too bad dcordes_ sent me the negatives too Marajin |
| 01:15.52 | dcordes_ | Marajin: and additionally ts-tests*.ipk and the ginge scripts |
| 01:15.54 | Marajin | Do not want! |
| 01:15.58 | Marajin | dcordes_: yeah |
| 01:16.33 | dcordes_ | that's it |
| 01:17.13 | dcordes_ | rest is stock, oh and move /etc/init.d/psplash and xserver-nodm in openmoko gpe-dm in the old gpe images |
| 01:17.45 | dcordes_ | and you can spawn more gettys using /etc/inittab |
| 01:18.06 | Marajin | you do it if ya want, you know the details to perses. It only built an openmoko-image like... 18 hours ago so |
| 01:27.17 | AstainHellbring | so uhm yah I want to try to improve android booting for the dell x51v |
| 01:34.39 | Marajin | AstainHellbring: you're a very silly man, you know this? |
| 01:35.42 | AstainHellbring | yes I am but why? |
| 01:36.29 | LanceHaig | dcordes_, I am curious how do you compile an openmoko image for the kaiser? On the phone or on a pc? |
| 01:36.42 | dcordes_ | pc |
| 01:36.50 | LanceHaig | I package for foresight so this is jusy the geek in me |
| 01:36.53 | dcordes_ | angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom |
| 01:36.56 | LanceHaig | oh |
| 01:37.11 | LanceHaig | is angstom = openmoko? |
| 01:37.15 | dcordes_ | place htckaiser as machine |
| 01:37.28 | dcordes_ | and instead of console image at the bottom, do bitbake openmoko-image |
| 01:37.36 | dcordes_ | LanceHaig: mostly. |
| 01:37.41 | LanceHaig | ahh |
| 01:37.51 | LanceHaig | I am furtehr edumacated |
| 01:38.01 | LanceHaig | but I cant spell |
| 01:38.10 | Marajin | heh |
| 01:42.19 | LanceHaig | I will play with that when I have a moment:-) |
| 01:42.46 | Marajin | no time like the present! |
| 01:43.07 | LanceHaig | I am in my M$ machine at the moment |
| 01:43.15 | LanceHaig | so I will need to reboot |
| 01:43.25 | LanceHaig | but I have to find work firts |
| 01:43.36 | LanceHaig | 2:45 am here |
| 01:43.50 | LanceHaig | so please exscuse the spelling mistakes |
| 01:45.17 | Marajin | heh |
| 01:45.34 | Marajin | man, I'm in the same timezone, I know :P |
| 01:52.32 | LanceHaig | if I created a vm appliance for compiling angstom and coding would you guys be interested? |
| 01:52.41 | LanceHaig | That is something I could do |
| 01:52.48 | LanceHaig | using the rpath system |
| 01:53.12 | LanceHaig | and it can run on almost any vm software as well as iso installs |
| 01:53.12 | AstainHellbring | if its a hyerv image Im all for it |
| 01:54.46 | Marajin | tries to work out what LanceHaig said in non-buzzspeak |
| 01:55.15 | LanceHaig | ok I have the ability and nohow to create an appliance |
| 01:55.23 | ali1234 | no point recompiling openmoko, they already provide arm binaries |
| 01:55.58 | LanceHaig | as with say the bongo project http://www.rpath.org/rbuilder/project/bongo/release?id=5988 |
| 01:56.07 | LanceHaig | which I am one of the developers |
| 01:56.38 | LanceHaig | this will allow anyone here to use this image for dev work and and compiling for the kaiser |
| 01:56.52 | LanceHaig | or any of the angsrtom systems |
| 01:56.56 | Marajin | oh |
| 01:57.11 | Marajin | I just have a shared account on perses (my server) that people can use if they need compile space |
| 01:57.22 | LanceHaig | oh ok |
| 01:57.27 | LanceHaig | well the offer is there |
| 01:57.40 | Marajin | Well some might find it handy, no doubt =) |
| 01:57.51 | Marajin | but me, I just tab to a different window and type bitbake <blah> and wait |
| 01:57.59 | LanceHaig | haha |
| 01:58.02 | LanceHaig | ok |
| 02:00.00 | Marajin | what's the slowdown risk on those VMs anyway? |
| 02:00.09 | Marajin | I'm guessing bitbaking whole images...ouchie |
| 02:00.40 | LanceHaig | performance wise? |
| 02:00.52 | Marajin | yeah |
| 02:01.03 | LanceHaig | I get good performance running a vm to compile groups of about 200 apps at the same time |
| 02:01.05 | Marajin | bitbaking an image can take hours on a modern quad xeon or Core 2 quad |
| 02:01.15 | LanceHaig | wow |
| 02:01.24 | LanceHaig | ok then I withdraw the vms |
| 02:01.35 | LanceHaig | that will kill them |
| 02:01.41 | Marajin | once built, they tend to be quicker but sometimes you've just got to rebuild ya know |
| 02:01.54 | LanceHaig | oh well it was nice while it lasted :-) |
| 02:02.04 | LanceHaig | I did not think it was that intense |
| 02:02.06 | Marajin | Gotta bare in mind we're basically compiling an entire OS and some common apps from source here |
| 02:02.28 | LanceHaig | shows his lack of knowlegde |
| 02:02.37 | LanceHaig | I learn some more |
| 02:03.33 | Marajin | well openembedded when you say.. bitbake openmoko-image is going to compile a kernel, the entire linux base, X, the moko UI/apps, some GPE/GTK stuff.. |
| 02:03.47 | Marajin | you produce like a 100MB rootfs |
| 02:04.12 | LanceHaig | ok so it is quite a big build |
| 02:04.23 | LanceHaig | I have never built something that big before |
| 02:04.28 | Marajin | heh |
| 02:04.32 | LanceHaig | just loads of smaller stuff |
| 02:04.36 | Marajin | be glad you don't use gentoo I guess |
| 02:05.10 | LanceHaig | tell me about it |
| 02:05.13 | AstainHellbring | gentoo ftw |
| 02:05.18 | LanceHaig | I use foresight |
| 02:05.19 | Marajin | AstainHellbring: Hell yeah! |
| 02:05.31 | AstainHellbring | all of our servers at work run gentoo |
| 02:05.41 | Marajin | LanceHaig: Well, a linux distro that basically compiles every single package on your system from source. |
| 02:05.54 | AstainHellbring | hell yah stage 1 gentoo ftw! |
| 02:05.56 | Marajin | LanceHaig: YOu can image for a fairly diverse set of packages that takes a while. |
| 02:06.01 | LanceHaig | I know gentoo I tried to run it some time ago |
| 02:06.16 | Marajin | AstainHellbring: Heh =) I did stage 1 but it's some years ago. The hardware around it has changed at least 3 times since |
| 02:06.25 | Marajin | emerge -ue world FTW! |
| 02:06.37 | AstainHellbring | yah I did a stage 1 install on a p3 400mhz |
| 02:06.53 | Marajin | Oh I had a Athlon t-bird 1.2 ;) |
| 02:06.56 | Marajin | luxury! |
| 02:07.13 | Marajin | I thought I was doing well with like 24 hours to emerge -ue world |
| 02:07.13 | Marajin | heh |
| 02:07.18 | Marajin | now it can do that in ~6 |
| 02:07.24 | LanceHaig | guys it has been a pleasure |
| 02:07.36 | Marajin | with many more packages along the way |
| 02:07.44 | Marajin | LanceHaig: Giving up on consciousness? |
| 02:07.47 | LanceHaig | I am going to try to sleep |
| 02:07.50 | LanceHaig | tell me about it |
| 02:07.55 | LanceHaig | knackered |
| 02:08.01 | Marajin | I can't tell you about it, I dont sleep! |
| 02:08.07 | Marajin | taps his caffeine IV drip. |
| 02:08.12 | Marajin | heh =) |
| 02:08.16 | LanceHaig | heh |
| 02:08.18 | Marajin | Well I do but barely |
| 02:08.19 | LanceHaig | have fun |
| 02:08.21 | AstainHellbring | my latest servers can do it in 4 or less |
| 02:08.32 | AstainHellbring | but they have 24gb of ram and dual quad core procs |
| 02:08.33 | Marajin | AstainHellbring: Probably running a tighter base than I do |
| 02:08.38 | Marajin | ah that too |
| 02:08.43 | Marajin | though the board I have WILL slot that. |
| 02:08.47 | AstainHellbring | yes dual quad cores kick ass |
| 02:08.55 | AstainHellbring | oh yah these are 1us |
| 02:09.13 | Marajin | I could go 2x quad xeon 3.something with well, I think only 16GB will slot |
| 02:09.27 | Marajin | but for a home server? |
| 02:09.36 | AstainHellbring | true |
| 02:10.25 | AstainHellbring | but for a work mysql server they kick some serious ass |
| 02:10.35 | Marajin | I'll bet |
| 02:11.01 | Marajin | ya know they're pimping quad core xeons for SOHO stuff now? |
| 02:11.03 | Marajin | I was boggle |
| 02:11.08 | AstainHellbring | soho? |
| 02:11.17 | Marajin | Small Office, Home Office |
| 02:11.21 | AstainHellbring | damn |
| 02:11.26 | Marajin | ya know, <= 5 employees kinda thing |
| 02:11.28 | AstainHellbring | Ill take it though |
| 02:11.51 | Marajin | man they just want to run SBS2003 or something |
| 02:11.59 | AstainHellbring | yep most likely |
| 02:12.00 | Marajin | for 5 people |
| 02:12.02 | Marajin | what's the point |
| 02:12.04 | AstainHellbring | but sbs isnt bad |
| 02:12.11 | Marajin | no I mean the hardware |
| 02:12.24 | Marajin | why would they ever need a quad xeon with a coupla gigs? |
| 02:12.37 | Marajin | ok the memory.. maybe |
| 02:12.39 | Marajin | but the CPU power? |
| 02:12.41 | AstainHellbring | yah but you can get that for real cheap easily about 3k for whole system |
| 02:12.55 | Marajin | man you can get that for 800 now |
| 02:13.19 | AstainHellbring | true all depends on casing and ram |
| 02:13.33 | Marajin | .. not really no |
| 02:13.39 | Marajin | They're /cheap/ now |
| 02:13.48 | AstainHellbring | Ive bought some recently |
| 02:14.07 | Marajin | you got owned unlessthey have plenty of redundancy and EC |
| 02:14.09 | AstainHellbring | the procs each run about 200ish ram in 4gb sticks runs about 200ish |
| 02:14.17 | AstainHellbring | yes the ram was fb-dimms |
| 02:14.22 | Marajin | ah well yeah huge amounts of memory |
| 02:14.43 | Marajin | yeah my thing slots ECC/FB DDR2 dimms |
| 02:14.59 | AstainHellbring | FB dims rock cause they fast good and cheap |
| 02:15.14 | Marajin | they're pretty reasonable yeah |
| 02:15.21 | AstainHellbring | yep |
| 02:15.31 | AstainHellbring | we got the ones with heat spreaders too |
| 02:15.37 | Marajin | naturally |
| 02:16.04 | AstainHellbring | and in our big db server got 4 1TB hdds |
| 02:16.10 | Marajin | nice |
| 02:16.15 | Marajin | perses isonly 3TB :P |
| 02:16.24 | AstainHellbring | perses? |
| 02:16.29 | Marajin | my server in the attic |
| 02:16.33 | AstainHellbring | ahh ic |
| 02:16.33 | ali1234 | the best part is, in 2 years it will all be obsolete, and i'll just collect it from a skip somewhere |
| 02:16.43 | Marajin | ali1234: hah, too true man too true |
| 02:16.47 | AstainHellbring | my ersonal server that I have at home has 2.27 TB |
| 02:16.54 | Marajin | AstainHellbring: Slacker! |
| 02:17.08 | AstainHellbring | it was free |
| 02:17.17 | Marajin | nevertheless, slacker! |
| 02:17.18 | Marajin | :p |
| 02:17.22 | AstainHellbring | ok |
| 02:17.31 | AstainHellbring | I already have 1TB worth of stuff on it |
| 02:17.38 | Marajin | you need to stand outside thedoor catching more often |
| 02:18.04 | Marajin | I am uuusing.... 1721GB |
| 02:18.11 | AstainHellbring | nice |
| 02:18.32 | Marajin | I was over 2000 but a drive failed :( |
| 02:18.39 | Marajin | 500GB of TV shows go poofie |
| 02:19.02 | AstainHellbring | lame |
| 02:19.10 | Marajin | Star trek (all of it, ever), Andromeda, Battlestar Galactica, Stargate (SG-1 and Atlantis)... all gone |
| 02:19.18 | AstainHellbring | I would have more space but its raid 5 fo I no lose anything if I drop a drive |
| 02:19.53 | Marajin | I thought about it but I can't really justify it |
| 02:19.58 | Marajin | they're all NS drives anyway now |
| 02:20.02 | Marajin | the one that died was an A |
| 02:20.06 | Marajin | I don't even know WHY I had an A |
| 02:20.42 | Marajin | gotta love that 5 year warranty |
| 02:28.41 | ali1234 | for the money you spent on electricity over 5 years you could have bought all those shows on dvd box set, plus taken a nice holiday with the money from not buying the hardware in the first place |
| 02:29.03 | AstainHellbring | thats never the point though |
| 02:30.45 | Marajin | ali1234: you presume I pay for either ;) |
| 02:30.54 | ali1234 | and today you'd still have the DVDs, instead of having a big pile of scrap metal that's expensive to get rid of |
| 02:33.09 | Marajin | ali1234: Nah I wouldn't. I've dropped one drive of data in the last 5 years. |
| 02:33.29 | Marajin | and it costs nothing to get rid of |
| 02:33.37 | ali1234 | and you dont pay for electricity??? |
| 02:33.44 | Marajin | someone does but it ain't me |
| 02:35.34 | Marajin | They don't seem to mind and they get their share of the server. |
| 02:37.00 | ali1234 | that's because they haven't done the math |
| 02:37.10 | Marajin | their funeral :P |
| 02:37.11 | Marajin | I care not |
| 02:37.37 | Marajin | though the last time I was living alone and paying all bills, my electricity was er... 20/month |
| 02:37.56 | Marajin | and I had two boxes up 24/7 and a third box up ~ 12-16 hours a day |
| 02:38.58 | ali1234 | that must have been a while ago |
| 02:39.06 | Marajin | 3 years |
| 02:41.40 | ali1234 | i just had to pay 1/3 of an £800 electricity bill that was for a period of about 8 months |
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| 04:58.07 | tmzt | dcordes: what happened with the image, did you get moko to work? |
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| 07:43.52 | Mooby | Hi |
| 07:44.00 | Mooby | I wannna play with linux on my HTC Diamond |
| 07:44.11 | Mooby | what are the risk to try ? :) |
| 07:45.20 | Mooby | I have no no knowledge on the state of art for linux on phones |
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| 08:12.49 | Nistur | my blueangel doesn't charge :( |
| 08:13.01 | marbalon | Mooby: are you trying run haret on your phone ? what device type it shows? |
| 08:13.45 | Mooby | I don't have tried yet |
| 08:14.04 | Mooby | I don't know the implication of running haret |
| 08:15.43 | marbalon | Mooby: try to download http://www.handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/haret-20080726f.exe and run on you device |
| 08:16.43 | marbalon | Mooby: i don't meaybe default.txt is needed int the same directory |
| 08:22.41 | marbalon | Mooby: I try to build kernel from android-git for 7201A but you use it at your own risk |
| 08:24.17 | marbalon | risk is quite small, I run a loot of kernels on my kaiser, with wrong kernel drivers and nothing wrong happened |
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| 08:49.05 | Nistur | I can't seem to find any information, I'm probably looking in the wrong place... I've just got QTopia on my blueangel, can I sync it with my PC at all? Either to Linux of Windows, although preferably Linux... |
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| 08:57.13 | BabelO_ | hi |
| 08:58.18 | Nistur | hey Babel0_ |
| 09:00.14 | lpotter | someone needs to write a qdsync plugin |
| 09:00.58 | Nistur | lpotter: was that a negative to my question then? |
| 09:01.33 | lpotter | that was the most positive I could be on the question of sync with anythign other than outlook |
| 09:02.24 | Nistur | ok then. Thanks, Unfortunately I haven't done any network programming yet so I think I won't step forward and say I'll have a go |
| 09:03.45 | Nistur | Babel0_: Someone said you had a blueangel. Does yours charge and if yes, what are you running on it? I've tried the QTopia image you(?) sent me the link for and mine doesn't seem to |
| 09:04.56 | BabelO_ | Nistur: that's me who made latest images, and do latest developpement on it too |
| 09:05.36 | lpotter | Nistur: it wont take network programming,qdsync has all that, just a plugin :) |
| 09:06.37 | Nistur | Babel0_: So I'm talking to the right person then :P Does charging work on it? |
| 09:07.15 | BabelO_ | Nistur: yes, but not over usb, it only worksif plugged on ac |
| 09:07.42 | BabelO_ | Nistur: sometimes it works over USB but ,not 100% it is due to usb power set to 100mA don't know how to ask 500mA |
| 09:07.59 | Nistur | lpotter: well, I can try and have a look at it but so far the only thing I've written is standalone applications. I've got the "Writing QTopia Plugins" page open now though ;) |
| 09:08.26 | Nistur | Babel0_: that'd be why then, thanks, I didn't realise my AC connector wasn't plugged in... huge mass of cables behind my monitors hid it |
| 09:19.20 | Nistur | hmmm, totally separate question. My girlfriend has a Wizard that she left to discharge fully. It now doesn't charge, I assumed that it didn't have enough charge to initialise USB connection to charge from USB. Does anyone know of any way of fixing this? Is the battery FUBAR or would an AC charger work? |
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| 11:11.22 | dcordes_ | tmzt: no but, let's do this. I'm getting an image |
| 11:11.39 | dcordes_ | Marajin: ping? |
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| 11:49.32 | dcordes_ | tmzt: ok I'm in a configured moko image |
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| 12:12.27 | tgreer | hey nighthawk08 |
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| 12:17.11 | nighthawk08 | hi |
| 12:17.36 | nighthawk08 | I am using the latest OE,. and trying to build the angstrom on himalaya,. it keeps on breaking on the prismstumbler package,. I tried to avoid compiling it but it got many dependencies on the gpe-image build... the compilation bug is logged under the following url: http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4473 -- florian on the #OE channel tried compiling the same package from scratch, and succeeded -- does anybodygot an idea how to fi |
| 12:20.02 | dcordes_ | nighthawk08: rm -rf tmp, pull, update, rebuild |
| 12:20.19 | dcordes_ | that's what I do when in desperate OE situations |
| 12:20.26 | nighthawk08 | I did that,. still same result |
| 12:21.12 | dcordes_ | nighthawk08: can you pastebin your conf/local.conf? |
| 12:21.39 | dcordes_ | tmzt: you around? |
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| 12:25.39 | nighthawk08 | ok,. one sec... |
| 12:26.22 | kiozen | hi Marex, did you ever use BT on the Loox N560 ? |
| 12:26.43 | nighthawk08 | http://pastebin.com/d326c527d |
| 12:28.12 | BabelO_ | poor kiozen :) |
| 12:28.19 | BabelO_ | kiozen: it works fine on blueangel :) |
| 12:28.24 | BabelO_ | kiozen: tested yesturday |
| 12:28.45 | kiozen | BabelO_: even if you switch of the BT client while acessing it? |
| 12:28.59 | dcordes_ | nighthawk08: that looks like the conf/local.conf.sample |
| 12:29.13 | dcordes_ | you altered the vars, I see |
| 12:29.51 | nighthawk08 | I used the sample as a base... |
| 12:32.53 | kiozen | BabelO_: if I would understand the backtrace I would know where to start debugging, however with no knowledge about kernel structure and BT it's tought |
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| 12:34.47 | meredydd | Howdy, folks. |
| 12:35.10 | meredydd | Is there anyone who's been fiddling with Android who can enlighten me on the topic of SMS? |
| 12:35.55 | meredydd | ISTR reading that there's a third-party app for SMS support, and I was wondering if that meant they'd figured out the niceties of how Android handles SMS |
| 12:46.24 | dcordes_ | nighthawk08: try to rewrite the local.conf based on the example here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom |
| 12:47.10 | dcordes_ | meredydd: what phone are you talking about? |
| 12:47.31 | dcordes_ | people keep asking I want this and that in android :p |
| 12:47.35 | meredydd | dcordes_: The Android SDK, as currently shipped, doesn't have an internal SMS app. |
| 12:48.08 | meredydd | I seem to recall, from somewhere in the forums I now can't find again, that someone has got SMS working with Android, by writing their own front-end application for it |
| 12:48.31 | meredydd | which is a very feasible proposition on that platform, and something I may be about to do myself |
| 12:49.11 | meredydd | so I was looking for someone who knew where (and whether) I could get my hands on the source of that app, to see how they did it |
| 12:50.21 | meredydd | I'm currently working on the emulator, so I'm not looking for a hardware driver. |
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| 13:12.59 | BabelO_ | kiozen: BT is only a serial port, all bt is done by hciattach and libbluez stack |
| 13:13.20 | BabelO_ | kiozen: strange thing is that you have not same issue with _gps driver |
| 13:13.47 | kiozen | BabelO_: it looks like rfcomm wants to move something in sysfs |
| 13:14.00 | kiozen | BabelO_: and that goes wrong misserably |
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| 13:14.30 | BabelO_ | kiozen: hmm what do you enable in bluetooth part ? can you check with htcblueangel_defconfig ? |
| 13:14.44 | BabelO_ | kiozen: under arch/arm/configs or script, never remember |
| 13:20.17 | kiozen | BabelO_: the same except the ieee80211 stuff |
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| 13:50.34 | kiozen | BabelO_: any other idea ? |
| 13:51.47 | BabelO_ | kiozen: try to remove sysfs option from your kernel |
| 13:52.20 | kiozen | BabelO_: but I need sysfs for backlight |
| 13:52.48 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ok but to see |
| 13:52.58 | kiozen | hm, ... |
| 14:08.45 | kiozen | BabelO_: without sysfs it won't even boot |
| 14:19.30 | dcordes_ | hi |
| 14:19.47 | BabelO_ | kiozen: poor |
| 14:19.53 | BabelO_ | kiozen: what is the error message ?* |
| 14:19.59 | dcordes_ | somsomebody seen cr2 by any chance? |
| 14:20.06 | kiozen | BabelO_: can't mount rootfs |
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| 14:20.24 | kiozen | dcordes_: cr2 is on vacation |
| 14:20.25 | BabelO_ | outch |
| 14:20.35 | D0c5i5 | anyone use HaRET before? i'm trying to boot linux on my vx4700 and the instructions on http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ApacheLinux don't indicate if i'm suppose to rename the compressed rootfs, but i'm not sure how else HaRET would locate it on the storage card |
| 14:20.49 | D0c5i5 | sorry if it's an obvious question :) |
| 14:20.57 | kiozen | hm gdal is available for wince |
| 14:21.41 | D0c5i5 | realized someone has probably used HaRET and the wording could have been better for that question |
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| 14:43.26 | D0c5i5 | is there a phone application for htc-linux? |
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| 14:58.33 | tsdogs | D0c5i5: Depends on what "gui" you use |
| 15:05.12 | BabelO_ | kiozen: right, it use sysfs to detect mmc minor major. |
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| 15:32.50 | D0c5i5 | tsdogs: which guis support a phone app? :) i'd like to be able to use my vx6700 as a phone too while running linux |
| 15:33.20 | D0c5i5 | i just tried out the one at http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ApacheLinux, but i'll run something different |
| 15:33.21 | tsdogs | qtopia does, but I think nobody took the effort to create the necessary modules for the apache |
| 15:34.09 | tsdogs | I found this: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ApachePhoneTrace |
| 15:34.40 | BabelO_ | D0c5i5: apache has a CDMA modem , no support at all |
| 15:35.59 | D0c5i5 | ouch, ok |
| 15:36.27 | tsdogs | BabelO_: right, not even kernel support for phone :( |
| 15:39.08 | BabelO_ | tsdogs: did you try latest qtopia ? |
| 15:39.20 | BabelO_ | we have to move application to mainline :) |
| 15:39.41 | tsdogs | BabelO_: nope, trying to build arora for qtopia though :) |
| 15:39.48 | tsdogs | webkit builded :) |
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| 15:40.41 | BabelO_ | tsdogs: latest git ? |
| 15:40.42 | tsdogs | BabelO_: any interesting change in latest? |
| 15:40.53 | BabelO_ | tsdogs: i did not try :) |
| 15:41.06 | tsdogs | BabelO_: ok |
| 15:41.08 | BabelO_ | i can test this evening, build is very evry fast on my new computer :) |
| 15:41.18 | BabelO_ | 18 min for full git build |
| 15:41.24 | tsdogs | I think the 4.3.4 version (I took it from merkartor svn) |
| 15:41.47 | tsdogs | :), I also changed computer though it's not that fast (it's a notebook) |
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| 16:30.45 | ginge | grumbles |
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| 17:26.20 | mahone | Hello, aren't there newer versions of Linux than the ones at http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcuniversal/index.html? |
| 17:29.44 | mahone | And most important, how to create distributions that boot from image files, instead than from partitions? |
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| 18:02.00 | diogene31 | Kevin2: ping ? |
| 18:03.23 | ginge | ~last marbalon |
| 18:03.43 | ginge | damn how do yo do that again? |
| 18:04.42 | ali1234 | -> /msg apt help |
| 18:05.05 | herriojr | ok, I'm having difficulty flashing my ROM for the kaiser...I downloaded diamond-hspl-1.34.zip, and am running diamond-sspl.bat, but when I go to run DiamondCustomRUU.exe from HardSPL-1.34, it fails |
| 18:06.51 | tsdogs | ~seen marbalon |
| 18:06.52 | apt | marbalon <n=marbalon@212.122.223.98> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 9h 42m 35s ago, saying: 'risk is quite small, I run a loot of kernels on my kaiser, with wrong kernel drivers and nothing wrong happened'. |
| 18:07.05 | Marajin | allo allo |
| 18:09.11 | herriojr | ok, wait, can Dutty's Diamond ROM be installed on a Kaiser? |
| 18:09.38 | ginge | ali1234: cheers |
| 18:09.50 | Marajin | herriojr: Well dutty's diamond rom is for the kaiser as far as I know? |
| 18:09.55 | ginge | tsdogs: also thanks |
| 18:10.02 | Marajin | tho' I use L26's V9 Diamon rom |
| 18:10.30 | ginge | herriojr: I have used dutty rom on my kaiser |
| 18:10.48 | herriojr | I'm trying to install it so I don't have to try for an hour to start up android |
| 18:10.57 | Marajin | heh :) |
| 18:11.28 | ali1234 | herriojr: have you tried the telnet workaround for haret? |
| 18:11.36 | herriojr | no, didn't see that |
| 18:12.36 | ali1234 | just use telnet or haret console to launch the default.txt |
| 18:13.10 | ali1234 | you can even use pocketputty to telnet localhost |
| 18:13.12 | ginge | herriojr: I make it easier on myself by renaming default.txt to a then in telnet you can do r a |
| 18:13.40 | ginge | ali1234: that seems to have a lower then remote boot rate, but higher then pressing run :/ |
| 18:14.19 | ali1234 | you guys should really figure out how to boot from SD card, it's way easier and faster |
| 18:14.36 | Marajin | TBH since we stopped using huge initrds commonly, It boots pretty reliably just by tapping run |
| 18:14.43 | ginge | ali1234: its not about figuring out how to boot from it, more about how to stop dma errors |
| 18:14.45 | Marajin | + for me |
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| 18:15.03 | ginge | ali1234: in fact I can boot angstrom from sd no problem |
| 18:15.04 | Marajin | anyway, I'm going to grab some food, back ina few people |
| 18:15.10 | ginge | Marajin: inabit |
| 18:15.12 | ali1234 | ah but, how do you know that booting from SD directly instead of going through wm first wont cure those dma errors? |
| 18:15.26 | ginge | ali1234: oh, I see what you mean |
| 18:15.50 | ginge | ali1234: no way to tell for sure, but the problem is we are relying too much on wm to init some of the hardware for us |
| 18:16.06 | ali1234 | let me guess, gsm? |
| 18:16.22 | ginge | ali1234: no, actually its not :) |
| 18:16.34 | ali1234 | i didn't know anything else worked :) |
| 18:16.48 | ginge | ali1234: its mainly the clocks touchscreen keyboard and power management |
| 18:17.03 | ali1234 | you need windows to initialize all that stuff? |
| 18:17.11 | ginge | most of it would be trivial to fix |
| 18:18.06 | ginge | ali1234: and also we probably need to get the nand driver to work |
| 18:18.22 | ginge | but not important for booting off sd |
| 18:18.23 | ali1234 | don't see why, unless you want to read files from windows mobile |
| 18:19.30 | ginge | ali1234: in theory dooting directly from sd instead of haret wont affect the sd driver as it is initialised properly anyway |
| 18:19.40 | ginge | ali1234: but you know how it is |
| 18:20.00 | ali1234 | yeah. on the wizard, you have to disable it in windows mobile otherwise it wont work in linux (if you boot from haret) |
| 18:20.28 | ginge | how do you disable it? |
| 18:20.32 | ali1234 | registry hacks |
| 18:20.39 | ali1234 | unregister SDcard.dll |
| 18:20.40 | ginge | got any links? |
| 18:20.45 | ali1234 | then replug the SD card |
| 18:20.48 | ali1234 | yeah hang on |
| 18:21.40 | ali1234 | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1593777&group_id=174107&atid=867988 |
| 18:22.13 | ali1234 | look at the *.ns files, they are just scripts |
| 18:23.09 | ginge | nice |
| 18:23.15 | ginge | worth a go |
| 18:23.51 | ali1234 | you never know what corruption WM will cause |
| 18:24.54 | ali1234 | i need to figure out how to load the radio rom properly |
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| 18:25.25 | ginge | hi marbalon |
| 18:25.35 | ginge | ali1234: what do you mean? |
| 18:25.37 | marbalon | hi ginge |
| 18:26.21 | ginge | marbalon: find anythine else interesting while looking at proc_comm? |
| 18:27.14 | marbalon | ginge: I don't have I time to do that... |
| 18:27.20 | marbalon | ..till now ;) |
| 18:27.27 | ginge | marbalon: no problem, just curious :) |
| 18:27.36 | ali1234 | ginge: i mean loading the firmware for the arm7 gsm coprocessor |
| 18:27.37 | marbalon | pwr up PC and start searching |
| 18:27.48 | ginge | ali1234: ah, I see |
| 18:27.58 | ginge | marbalon: I think I found some clock related commands in proc_comm channel 2 |
| 18:28.04 | ginge | marbalon: but I need to check to make sure |
| 18:28.18 | ginge | marbalon: I also started to rewrite the SD driver to accomodate using proc_comm |
| 18:28.26 | ginge | marbalon: hopefully the clocks you found yesterday will work |
| 18:28.51 | marbalon | ginge: I give up with USB, and going to BT |
| 18:29.05 | ginge | yeah, I always use BT |
| 18:29.19 | Marajin | ginge: Thus, I return |
| 18:29.34 | ginge | Marajin: and therefore I leave. brb |
| 18:29.49 | Marajin | ginge: Bah! Bah to you I say! |
| 18:30.31 | marbalon | ginge: but have a question about proc_comm and command |
| 18:31.37 | marbalon | I get something like that yesterday b51fc100 =ffffc915, so command is 0xffffc915 ? |
| 18:31.46 | marbalon | a little big ??? |
| 18:33.59 | Marajin | marbalon: Heh, I wondered when you'd give up on USB |
| 18:34.16 | ginge | marbalon: it is a little big |
| 18:34.34 | ginge | marbalon: almost like it is wrapping or signed value |
| 18:35.32 | ali1234 | couldn't it be a pointer? |
| 18:36.57 | ginge | ali1234: possibly or something to do with rpc |
| 18:37.33 | ali1234 | dunno about MSM but OMAP devices seem to have a lot of FIFO buffers around that area |
| 18:37.42 | ali1234 | and other hardware stuff |
| 18:38.33 | ginge | ali1234: the whole smd is using 3x (known ones) fifos and a proc comm area with a small buffer |
| 18:39.06 | ali1234 | ah yeah i remember you telling me that before |
| 18:39.16 | ali1234 | that's a nightmare to figure out, surely?? |
| 18:39.28 | ginge | no shit |
| 18:39.46 | ginge | its got two arm chips that talk over those fifos |
| 18:41.03 | lpotter | seen this? http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/10/ |
| 18:42.10 | ginge | ali1234: I think I just found soemthing interesting in the new google commits. It has a smd scan routine that looks for the channels... I think |
| 18:44.19 | ali1234 | hmm |
| 18:44.27 | ali1234 | why you telling me? ;) |
| 18:45.21 | ginge | ali1234: I meant to tell marbalon |
| 18:46.16 | marbalon | ginge: interesting ... |
| 18:48.25 | marbalon | ginge: I think we should work on google git repository like dzo for vogue, and commit only patches to our repository |
| 18:48.49 | marbalon | no we miss to many fixes and drivers |
| 18:49.12 | ginge | marbalon: we are just waiting for the git to be set up so we can put our patches in |
| 18:50.08 | ginge | that way we hit google mainstream latest and we can start looking over dzo's stuff... anything I havn't already ripped ;) |
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| 18:50.29 | ginge | wasup: hi |
| 18:50.33 | ginge | laggggg |
| 18:50.45 | Marajin | ginge: just you there I'm afraid |
| 18:51.08 | ginge | Marajin: something to do with my mobile phone being the internet connection :( |
| 18:51.35 | ginge | it seems to save packets up and drop them all on me at once |
| 18:52.19 | Marajin | Thrift internet! |
| 18:52.30 | Marajin | I guess you probably don't get HSUPA then huh? |
| 18:52.39 | ginge | yeah, and full signal |
| 18:53.00 | ginge | so in theory its about as good as it gets |
| 18:53.21 | Marajin | nah man |
| 18:53.22 | ginge | marbalon: did you see the patches I put up? |
| 18:53.26 | Marajin | HS/U/PA |
| 18:53.34 | Marajin | the kaiser does D and U |
| 18:53.48 | ginge | Marajin: you lost me |
| 18:53.51 | marbalon | ginge: no |
| 18:53.57 | marbalon | ginge: any link ? |
| 18:54.09 | Marajin | HSDPA is high speed, HSUPAis highspeed + lower latency |
| 18:54.35 | ginge | marbalon: I have patches to go to android-msm-2.6.25 from google git |
| 18:54.36 | ginge | http://www.headfuzz.co.uk/files/android/git-diff-2.6.25-040808.diff |
| 18:54.58 | ginge | marbalon: you will need to reclone and switch branch to get it to apply |
| 18:55.34 | ginge | Marajin: so we dont have the low latency one built into kaiser? |
| 18:55.46 | Marajin | yeah |
| 18:55.47 | Marajin | we do |
| 18:55.53 | marbalon | ginge: I allways download snapshot |
| 18:55.55 | Marajin | but you might not get HSUPA in your area |
| 18:55.56 | ginge | Marajin: so how do I use it |
| 18:56.07 | marbalon | ginge: much much faster |
| 18:56.10 | ginge | Marajin: right, I think I get this |
| 18:56.12 | Marajin | it'll switch automatically based on what the local masts support AFAIK |
| 18:56.28 | ginge | marbalon: fair enough :) |
| 18:58.31 | herriojr | trying to install applications is starting to piss me off |
| 18:58.54 | herriojr | I know it's super easy, but I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong |
| 18:59.30 | herriojr | when creating android-data, what format are you guys using for cpio? |
| 18:59.34 | marbalon | ginge: we have a part off PM but we still don't have other more important drivers, SD (without errors), wi-fi, BT,... |
| 18:59.53 | ginge | herriojr: did you see the link dcordes posted yesterday? |
| 19:00.36 | herriojr | yeah, -H newc, I was just making sure |
| 19:00.38 | ginge | find ./ | cpio -H newc -o | gzip > ../initrd-console-bluetooth.cpio.gz |
| 19:01.17 | herriojr | when I unpack it, add my file, and then repack it, it doesn't seem to start up....freezes at haret loading |
| 19:01.30 | ginge | you will probably need to do it sudo |
| 19:01.47 | herriojr | yeah, I've done it as root |
| 19:01.58 | ginge | hmm. dunno then |
| 19:02.10 | ginge | did you unpack it as root? |
| 19:02.17 | herriojr | yup |
| 19:02.24 | ginge | scratches head |
| 19:02.45 | herriojr | I'm going to try something else |
| 19:02.49 | ginge | how big is it? |
| 19:02.52 | ginge | once repacked |
| 19:02.59 | herriojr | 19.9 on the device |
| 19:03.11 | ginge | hmm. might be just a little too large |
| 19:03.29 | ginge | Marajin had problems around that size and above |
| 19:03.37 | herriojr | does the browser not work under android? |
| 19:03.45 | herriojr | or rather network connection? |
| 19:03.55 | ginge | herriojr: should do, but not for long before a lock |
| 19:04.08 | ginge | I get about 1 minute before it dies |
| 19:04.22 | herriojr | it doesn't recognize a network connection for me |
| 19:04.28 | marbalon | ginge: do you have a initrd with bluez ? |
| 19:04.59 | marbalon | ginge: will be useful for me |
| 19:05.02 | ginge | marbalon: not yet. the one referenced above was a test image loaded with scripts |
| 19:05.11 | ginge | bt doesnt even work yet |
| 19:05.40 | marbalon | ginge: I know but only tools... |
| 19:06.02 | ginge | marbalon: ask dcordes, I think he has one |
| 19:06.19 | ginge | marbalon: he packed one up for me a while ago |
| 19:08.47 | herriojr | brb |
| 19:10.29 | marbalon | dcordes: hi |
| 19:11.58 | marbalon | dcordes: how can I build angstrom console with bluez-utils ? |
| 19:12.26 | marbalon | I have this in ANGSTROM_EXTRA_INSTALL += "screen cu bluez-utils nano tslib tslib-calibrate pointercal ppp mplayer xcalibrate" but cant find in image ??? |
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| 19:13.33 | ginge | marbalon: http://headfuzz.co.uk/files/android/console-bluetooth.tar.gz I have no idea what is in that |
| 19:14.09 | marbalon | ginge: thanks I wil check this |
| 19:25.07 | herriojr | there's not much difference between android.bin and android-data.bin, why do you need both? |
| 19:25.47 | ginge | dunno should be using data |
| 19:28.03 | herriojr | is dcordes on? |
| 19:28.16 | ginge | ~ping dcordes |
| 19:28.17 | apt | pong dcordes |
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| 19:40.02 | herriojr | ok, so it looks like android-data.bin isn't even used |
| 19:40.12 | herriojr | I don't see it referenced in android.bin at all |
| 19:40.39 | herriojr | so how does the kernel know to load android-data.bin? |
| 19:44.37 | ginge | herriojr: its in default.txt |
| 19:44.45 | ginge | you need to change to that |
| 19:45.01 | herriojr | it's not in default.txt |
| 19:45.07 | herriojr | android.bin is |
| 19:45.33 | ginge | thats what I mean, change that to android-data and see is that iamge gets you online |
| 19:45.41 | ginge | -data has my ppp scripts in it I think |
| 19:45.59 | herriojr | I think we may have found the source of my headaches |
| 19:46.06 | herriojr | :) |
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| 19:46.12 | herriojr | I've been using the wrong damn image! |
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| 19:47.15 | ginge | how irritating. We should get dcordes to change to that in default.txt if this works |
| 19:47.15 | ginge | herriojr: you will also have to pass your carrier apn and username/password in the kernel line |
| 19:47.28 | ginge | ppp.apn=yourapn ppp.username=user ppp.password=pass |
| 19:47.51 | herriojr | where do I get that information? |
| 19:47.59 | ginge | in setcmdline "..." |
| 19:48.09 | ginge | google your provider and apn |
| 19:48.17 | ali1234 | and country |
| 19:48.22 | ginge | yeah |
| 19:55.07 | herriojr | the password in starred out on my phone |
| 19:55.51 | marbalon | hmm kaiser hangs when I enable msm_serial :( |
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| 19:56.36 | herriojr | ok, I got it |
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| 20:01.20 | Marajin | wb ginge :P |
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| 20:11.38 | herriojr | so how does this look: |
| 20:11.38 | herriojr | set MTYPE 1553 |
| 20:11.38 | herriojr | set KERNEL zImage.bin |
| 20:11.38 | herriojr | set RAMSIZE 0x7800000 |
| 20:11.38 | herriojr | set RAMADDR 0x10000000 |
| 20:11.38 | herriojr | #uncomment to rotate the framebuffer console 90° to the left |
| 20:11.40 | herriojr | #set CMDLINE "fbcon=rotate:3 ppp.apn=wap.cingular ppp.username=WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM ppp.password=CINGULAR1" |
| 20:11.42 | herriojr | #change android.bin for whatever ramdisk you want to use |
| 20:11.44 | herriojr | set INITRD android-data.bin |
| 20:11.46 | herriojr | bootlinux |
| 20:12.35 | ali1234 | uncomment line "set CMDLINE" |
| 20:12.45 | herriojr | oh crap, missed that :) |
| 20:12.48 | herriojr | thaks |
| 20:12.50 | herriojr | *thanks |
| 20:17.23 | herriojr | it's hard to tell whether my haret's acting up or I screwed the image up |
| 20:18.50 | ali1234 | if "all" you did was screw the image up then you should see linux boot followed by a kernel panic "unable to mount rootfs" |
| 20:19.16 | herriojr | ok, it's haret then :) |
| 20:19.26 | herriojr | it freezes while haret is still loading |
| 20:20.07 | ali1234 | use the telnet workaround |
| 20:22.03 | herriojr | do you have a link to the workaround, I wasn't able to find it earlier |
| 20:23.24 | ali1234 | it's simple |
| 20:23.34 | ali1234 | click on "listen for network connection" in haret |
| 20:23.53 | ali1234 | then connect to haret remotely and type "r default.txt" |
| 20:24.30 | herriojr | ah, assuming you're on wifi, I don't think windows mobile has telnet installed |
| 20:24.41 | herriojr | but I could be wrong :) |
| 20:24.45 | ali1234 | wifi or usb or bluetooth |
| 20:24.53 | ali1234 | or a VPN over gprs |
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| 20:25.04 | ali1234 | or just boring old activesync |
| 20:25.11 | ali1234 | or install pocket putty |
| 20:25.19 | ali1234 | but aparently that doesnt work quite as well |
| 20:25.25 | herriojr | I don't have usb drivers set up for the kaiser under linux |
| 20:25.50 | herriojr | *debian |
| 20:27.43 | herriojr | I guess I'll reboot, brb |
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| 20:35.58 | herriojr | that didn't seem to work either |
| 20:37.02 | herriojr | it must be something with the image |
| 20:38.20 | herriojr | when I packaged it |
| 20:38.26 | herriojr | I'll try without repackaging it |
| 20:41.31 | herriojr | does android-data.bin need a different copy of zImage? |
| 20:41.40 | ali1234 | no |
| 20:41.42 | herriojr | ok |
| 20:41.55 | herriojr | somethings wrong with how I'm doing it, so I'm going to revert back to android.bin |
| 20:42.01 | herriojr | and try to install an app on that. |
| 20:43.31 | herriojr | before I reboot, do you think it would be fine to unpackage and package through cygwin? |
| 20:43.50 | herriojr | so I don't have to keep switching back and forth |
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| 21:13.19 | herriojr | su root |
| 21:13.20 | herriojr | cp android.bin android.gz && gunzip android.gz && mkdir filesystem && cd filesystem && cpio -i < ../android && cp ../Snake.apk data/app && find ./ | cpio -H newc -o > ../new_android && gzip ../new_android.bin |
| 21:13.28 | herriojr | anyone see anything wrong with how I'm packaging it? |
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| 21:15.45 | eway3g | hi all |
| 21:15.57 | herriojr | hi |
| 21:16.18 | eway3g | just got a 16gb ameo |
| 21:18.14 | eway3g | now to put haret on |
| 21:20.53 | herriojr | could someone else make an image for me and test it? |
| 21:21.04 | herriojr | or send it to me for me to test |
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| 21:41.18 | herriojr | so something about my packaging is wrong |
| 21:41.32 | herriojr | if I unpackage android.bin, then package it back up, the md5sum is different |
| 21:41.57 | ali1234 | do you actually see kernel output? |
| 21:42.24 | ali1234 | you should do, even if you give it a ramdisk full of 0 |
| 21:42.29 | ali1234 | unless haret is failing |
| 21:42.50 | ali1234 | note differing md5 could be merely due to different level of compression |
| 21:43.05 | ali1234 | if you can unpack your own image again, i'd say it's working |
| 21:43.50 | ali1234 | try commenting the "set CMDLINE" in default.txt |
| 21:43.57 | ali1234 | then you know the image is not to blame |
| 21:45.18 | herriojr | when I unpackage it, it says "cpio: : No such file or directory" and then unpackages everything |
| 21:45.37 | ali1234 | that sounds bad then |
| 21:45.57 | herriojr | the farthest I get is the bar saying loading linux in haret |
| 21:45.58 | ali1234 | but i dont know, i never made an initrd |
| 21:46.09 | ali1234 | then linux isn't even booting |
| 21:46.10 | herriojr | it gets full then it freezes |
| 21:46.14 | ali1234 | is your initrd huge or something? |
| 21:46.21 | herriojr | no, 19.9 |
| 21:46.25 | herriojr | K |
| 21:47.00 | ali1234 | i think i just found a bug in busybox :( |
| 21:47.02 | herriojr | I even tried gzip -9 |
| 21:47.15 | herriojr | so compression shouldn't be an issue |
| 21:47.23 | ali1234 | yeah |
| 21:48.12 | eway3g | we |
| 21:48.20 | ali1234 | maybe try this guide: http://www.faqs.org/docs/evms/x3834.html |
| 21:48.25 | ali1234 | ext2 should still work |
| 21:50.13 | eway3g | haret runs doesn't know the 16gb ameo just comes up as a generic pxa270 but thats a start |
| 21:50.40 | herriojr | I wonder if my cpio is bugged |
| 21:51.01 | herriojr | cpio (GNU cpio) 2.6 |
| 21:54.29 | herriojr | I'm going to compile the newest version |
| 21:54.32 | herriojr | see if that helps |
| 21:57.33 | herriojr | nope, didn't help at all |
| 21:57.46 | herriojr | dcordes: ping |
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| 22:20.58 | ali1234 | great, i got the GSM working after EOL cold boot |
| 22:21.51 | ali1234 | turns out the 2.5mb file in my rom named "GSM" is not the same 2.5mb file that the GSM driver needs |
| 22:22.08 | Marajin | ah well so much for logic |
| 22:22.43 | ali1234 | instead i snatched a copy from RAM after booting with haret |
| 22:23.31 | Marajin | it's possible that the 2.5MB file in the ROM is the right one it just is somehow modified/decrypted/something during loading? |
| 22:23.40 | ali1234 | very possible |
| 22:23.50 | ali1234 | if it isn;t then i have no idea what it is |
| 22:23.58 | ali1234 | the odd thing is both files contain plaintext strings |
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