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01:45.23nighthawk08dcordes_: are you there?
02:15.17tmztdcordes: ping?
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03:49.33dcordes_tmzt: back
03:49.43dcordes_didn't add the debugging yet
03:53.02dcordes_tmzt: here is the strace http://rafb.net/p/3mdNon56.html
03:57.44tmzthey
03:59.30dcordes_I'm in the devshell now, looking into how to add the prints
04:04.09tmztpaste the tslib.c under hw
04:09.11tmztdo you have hal and dbus running when you started X?
04:09.38dcordes_not sure
04:09.48dcordes_are you referring to the hal error from Xfbdev?
04:09.53tmzttry dbus-launch Xfbdev -dumb -softCursor
04:10.02tmztyes
04:10.13tmztit tries to contact dbus over a socket and fails
04:10.13dcordes_the null null thing
04:10.18dcordes_there is only libhal in the image
04:10.21dcordes_is that all we need?
04:10.24tmztno, before that
04:10.31tmzthal won't work without dbus
04:10.58tmztlibdbus is there
04:11.03tmztdo you have hald?
04:11.17dcordes_where should that be located?
04:12.06dcordes_./usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2
04:12.17dcordes_./usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2.1.0
04:12.29dcordes_./usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3
04:12.29dcordes_./usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3.4.0
04:12.39dcordes_./usr/share/dbus-1
04:12.47dcordes_./usr/libexec/dbus-1
04:12.51dcordes_./sbin/hotplug-dbus
04:13.43tmztcan I have the mtn for oe again?
04:14.01tmztor is it the same as the git
04:14.23tmztjust include the hal package, not just libhal
04:15.52tmztpaste the hal .bb, is it hal_5.9.1.bb?
04:16.15tmztand include hal-info
04:16.52dcordes_tmzt: I think git and mtn are the same
04:17.09tmztok, I am looking at git
04:17.17dcordes_still got the link?
04:17.19tmztyes
04:17.38dcordes_ok. shouldn't hal be included if it was needed for X?
04:17.46tmzthal info is /usr/share/hal you need that
04:17.50tmzthal-info is /usr/share/hal you need that
04:20.00tmztI don't know where libhal is or how you got it without hal
04:20.17tmztdo you have /usr/share/hal and /usr/sbin/hald or /usr/libexec/hald?
04:21.29tmztand /etc/init.d/hal ?
04:21.43tmzt/usr/sbin/hald
04:24.47dcordes_there are no files called hal or hald present in the image
04:25.03tmztadd hal and hal-info
04:25.24tmztthat might be enough
04:25.36dcordes_alright
04:25.36tmztbut paste that hw/.../tslib.c
04:25.40dcordes_ok
04:26.44dcordes_http://rafb.net/p/DVgdbO63.html
04:28.08tmztafter 127: fprintf(2, "opening %s", pi->path);
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04:29.05tmztbut its not getting there anyway
04:29.28dcordes_hmm
04:32.38tmztafter 85: fprintf("got pressure at %d, %d\n", event.x, event,y);
04:32.54tmztadd the \n on the last one (127) the same way
04:33.06tmztafter 127: fprintf(2, "opening %s\n", pi->path);
04:33.34tmztthat should tell us if its registering the events
04:34.18danthaman915hey tmzt my internet (wireless) gets disconnected when i hook up my phone
04:34.40tmztis that a carrier thing?
04:34.48danthaman915no on my laptop
04:34.54tmztwhat os?
04:35.02danthaman915fedora core 9
04:35.02tmztoh, NM
04:35.22danthaman915it hooks up to the "wired" network
04:35.30danthaman915i really want both
04:35.34tmztuncheck "Enable networking"
04:35.35danthaman915is that possible
04:35.49tmztwith it connected to the wireless
04:36.24tmztunfortunately the rndis on your phone appears to be a network device
04:36.25danthaman915that messes up my wireless internet though
04:36.53tmztI can usually do that and then re-enable and a connect to wireless
04:36.55danthaman915you gave me a good idea though
04:36.58danthaman915hold on
04:37.23tmztif not, you can add and delete routes or run dhclient (or dhcp*) manually
04:39.41dcordes_tmzt: I've got line 86 "fprintf("got pressure at %d, %d\n", event.x, event,y);" and line 128 fprintf(2, "opening %s\n", pi->path);
04:40.13tmztgood, do you know the gitweb for X?
04:41.37dcordes_org.oe.dev/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive_1.4.0.90.bb
04:43.21dcordes_http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=org.openembedded.dev.git;a=blob;f=packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive_1.4.0.90.bb;h=1583cc3c6cd3c46d16441c8038446fc196c3ec2e;hb=refs/heads/org.openembedded.dev
05:00.26dcordes_tmzt: it failed to build at xcalibrate.c
05:02.27tmztpaste the whole log
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05:04.26tmzt_mp900cbooted from cmonex with empty gx.dll
05:07.28dcordes_tmzt: http://pastebin.com/d5bb30332
05:07.31dcordes_tmzt_mp900c:
05:13.58tmztyou might need to make clean and make, it looks like the protocol stuff might be bad
05:14.09tmztin devshell
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05:30.08dcordes_tmzt: oops, I was building for blueangel ;)
05:30.23tmztoh
05:30.36tmztwhat is the difference in packages?
05:31.44dcordes_no clue I will just see if it will work now
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05:58.13tmzt_mp900c_dcordes dcordes_: ping
06:00.28dcordes_pong
06:00.58dcordes_it rebuilt what it could find now that I changed machine
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06:08.32dcordes_ERROR: '/media/archiv/OE/org.openembedded.dev/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive_1.4.0.90.bb' failed
06:08.35dcordes_grr
06:08.43dcordes_~lart OE
06:08.43aptduct-tapes OE to the floor and drools on him
06:09.28danthaman915yes i got linux to boot!!
06:09.47dcordes_~lart linux
06:09.47aptwhacks linux with the cluebat
06:10.04dcordes_danthaman915: where?
06:10.11danthaman915on my phone
06:10.19dcordes_which?
06:10.26danthaman915i got a hermes
06:10.48danthaman915what do you have?
06:15.07tmzt_mp900c_hey
06:15.27tmzt_mp900c_dhclient wlan0 after the phone connection is up
06:15.44tmzt_mp900c_what zImage are you using now?
06:16.02danthaman915i dont know
06:16.18danthaman915im using a .exe
06:16.19tmzt_mp900c_you got it to boot though?
06:16.30danthaman915it might be an old version
06:16.36tmzt_mp900c_what is the name?
06:16.51dcordes_you got the wifi working on hermes?
06:16.57dcordes_danthaman915: I've got kaiser, blueangel
06:16.59danthaman915herm-linux-20070930.exe
06:17.15tmzt_mp900c_no, he is trying to connect with rndis from fc9
06:17.20danthaman915i got it
06:17.22tmzt_mp900c_to wm5
06:17.28danthaman915its working with wifi
06:17.48tmzt_mp900c_oh, do you what wireless chip that is?
06:18.05danthaman915what on the phone?
06:18.09tmzt_mp900c_yes
06:18.13danthaman915no
06:18.25danthaman915im just getting started with developing
06:18.26dcordes_ha
06:19.12danthaman915so im pretty much a noob
06:19.42tmzt_mp900c_hey, I mapped pgup
06:19.58tmzt_mp900c_doesn't help in irssi though
06:20.09tmzt_mp900c_ok
06:20.18tmzt_mp900c_what are you asking then?
06:20.38dcordes_pgup down works for me in irssi
06:20.50tmzt_mp900c_to scroll back?
06:20.54dcordes_yea
06:21.09tmzt_mp900c_then I must have done it wrong, because it works in console
06:22.17tmzt_mp900c_do you know what keysym it is
06:22.28dcordes_no clue
06:22.31dcordes_symbol?
06:22.39tmzt_mp900c_can you check loadkeys on pc?
06:22.45tmzt_mp900c_dumpkeys
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06:24.08dcordes_tmzt_mp900c_: can't see a keysym in there
06:24.22tmzt_mp900c_sorry, just what is page up/page down called
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06:26.34tmzt_mp900c_ctrl alt f1 and showkey should work
06:27.51dcordes_http://rafb.net/p/x3kA2z50.html
06:28.04dcordes_I can't find page up something
06:28.05tmzt_mp900c_what is that?
06:28.16dcordes_the dumpkeys from my ubuntu pc
06:28.25tmzt_mp900c_do you have Scroll_backward on a keycode
06:28.26tmzt_mp900c_ok
06:29.02dcordes_bitbake -c clean xserver-kdrive
06:29.08dcordes_ops
06:30.37tmzt_mp900c_its Prior, I think
06:36.51dcordes_hmhmhm
06:37.04dcordes_failed
06:38.02dcordes_I get the same xcalibrate issue
06:42.30tmzt_mp900c_oh
06:42.48tmzt_mp900c_do you have xorg protos installed?
06:43.43tmzt_mp900c_Prior is Page Up, Next is Page Down, Scroll_Backward and Scroll_Forward
06:43.46tmzt_mp900c_it works
06:44.45dcordes_great
06:45.11dcordes_tmzt_mp900c_: xorg protos? where
06:45.21tmzt_mp900c_might be a package, I'm checking git
06:46.07tmzt_mp900c_is there a way to check dependencies in bitbake?
06:46.09dcordes_tmzt_mp900c_: it wouldn't start the compile if it would lack as a dependent package
06:46.19tmzt_mp900c_ok
06:46.24tmzt_mp900c_that was fast
06:46.52tmzt_mp900c_you have xorg-proto though?
06:47.27dcordes_um on the device or available from OE?
06:47.57tmzt_mp900c_oh, calibrate-proto is a git bb
06:48.11tmzt_mp900c_so that might be broken
06:48.16dcordes_nah
06:48.25dcordes_it is the printfs
06:48.52dcordes_bitbake -c clean xserver-kdrive; bitbake xserver-kdrive
06:48.55dcordes_and it builds fine
06:49.24tmzt_mp900c_paste the tslib.c
06:49.43dcordes_wait a second
06:50.40dcordes_oops removed it
06:51.07dcordes_brb
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07:10.18tmzt_mp900cI don't have a middle button on this thing, so I guess no copy/paste in gpm
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07:21.32HortonSalmhi all
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07:26.55kiozen_cr2: charging device via usb: http://pastebin.no/13702
07:27.48kiozen_cr2: charging device via ac: http://pastebin.no/13703
07:29.35kiozenand btw, got synce working out of the box on my suse system :)
07:30.21tmzt_dcordes dcordes_: ping?
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07:59.18thedalmenyHi
08:03.49tmzt_mp900chello, do you have a question?
08:08.37thedalmenynope
08:09.08thedalmenyJust bought my first HTC, so thought i'd look for a chat room regarding the devices. Not to ask anything, just to see what developments there are
08:12.35tmzt_mp900chuh, well reading the logs helps: http://irclog.iclem.net/ under #htc-linux
08:12.35tmzt_mp900cwhat did you get?
08:13.44thedalmenyHTC Diamond Touch
08:14.26NiZoXoutch :)
08:14.37thedalmenyI really like it :)
08:15.27thedalmenyWell, i really like it after i upgraded the ROM. The shipped rom is slow, update sorts the problems out though.
08:17.16tmzt_mp900cwhich one is that, not raphael, the other one, is it GSM?
08:18.00tmzt_mp900cif you are interested in linux on the device, this would be the place, but I don't know how much is being done on it now
08:18.19tmzt_mp900cits msm though, which is coming along
08:18.34thedalmenyWell i just thought i'd see what things are being done, and just wait around until something does pop up.
08:18.39tmzt_mp900ckaiser, vogue, and titan are working I think
08:19.07tmzt_mp900clinux doesn't erase what is on there just runs in ram or from sd card, when it does work
08:19.13thedalmenyROM update does include GSM 850 support ye
08:19.21thedalmenyBut i live in the UK so i didn't need it
08:19.32thedalmenyI just upgraded the ROM for the preformance tweaks
08:19.36tmzt_mp900csorry, I meant GSM/UMTS or CDMA
08:19.48thedalmenyye tis GSM/UMTS
08:19.52tmzt_mp900cdoes that one have a keyboard?
08:19.57thedalmenyna
08:20.04tmzt_mp900cand do you know the old name for it?
08:20.22thedalmenyhttp://www.htc.com/europe/product.aspx?id=46638
08:20.26thedalmenyit's that one tmzt_mp900c
08:20.37tmzt_mp900cor what is under the battery?
08:20.59thedalmenyIt's not in the states yet i don't think
08:21.30tmzt_mp900cright, but is it the old diamond or raphael, what is the four letters and numbers under the battery?
08:22.02tmzt_mp900cI think one of the developers is getting one,
08:22.02thedalmeny2 secs
08:22.22thedalmenythe raphael is the one with the slide out keyboard
08:22.23thedalmenyi believe
08:22.28tmzt_mp900cok,
08:22.49tmzt_mp900cdoes it have the pattern on the back, like the diamond shapes?
08:22.53thedalmenyyeah
08:22.59thedalmenywell mine does
08:23.02thedalmenythe raphael doesn't
08:23.12tmzt_mp900cok
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08:23.42tmzt_mp900cBabelO_: do you what the Diamond Touch is called?
08:24.33thedalmenyI havent heard the HTC Diamond touch been called by any other name
08:24.44BabelO_tmzt_mp900c: all is here -> http://wiki.xda-developers.com/
08:24.52tmzt_mp900cI thought they just annouced that name
08:25.00tmzt_mp900cmaybe was just Diamond
08:25.05thedalmenyah Victor
08:25.35tmzt_mp900cI'll check the wiki
08:25.50thedalmenyhttp://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Diamond
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08:27.16tmzt_mp900c46638, that would be HTC Diamond then
08:27.49tmzt_mp900cits 7200A, so android kernel might work
08:27.58thedalmenyye
08:28.14thedalmenyTheyre shipping HTC Diamond Touch with Andriod in the future
08:28.23thedalmenyso i guess you'll be able to put it on the one i have
08:28.25tmzt_mp900cgoogle has published there code for that chip on git.android.com,
08:29.04tmzt_mp900cI am referring to the linux kernel from google under git.android.com,
08:29.19thedalmenyah k
08:29.37tmzt_mp900cthe android interface has not been released yet, only a version from sdk is available
08:30.02tmzt_mp900cbut it has been made to work on many devices
08:30.09thedalmenynice
08:30.25thedalmenyshould be quite a good phone to mess with about in the future then
08:30.36tmzt_mp900cif you want to come back in a few hours, cr2 may be here and he would know what to start with for haret
08:31.21thedalmenyNa it's ok thanks tmzt_mp900c i've just gonna hang around here i think over the next few months
08:31.59thedalmenyJust see what othr peoples experiences are doing stuff with the HTC Diamond touch before i take a dip
08:33.16tmzt_mp900cok
08:33.51tmzt_mp900csomeone who has that phone may prove the mmu dumps and other things needed to start development
08:34.47tmzt_mp900cthere is lots of Windows Mobile stuff on www.xda-developers.com though
08:35.50thedalmenyYeah been reading xda is how i managed to find the right ROM
08:36.19tmzt_mp900cdid they release those drivers for that one, that fix the video on msm?
08:37.01thedalmenydont think it has any video driver issues
08:37.08tmzt_mp900cgood
08:37.08thedalmenylike previous htc phones
08:37.30tmzt_mp900cit might just be the 7200a instead of 7200/7500
08:37.52tmzt_mp900cthat works
08:39.47tmzt_mp900cvictor must be the new name then, and its sold as HTC Diamond Touch
08:40.56thedalmenyit is a very good phone
08:41.08tmzt_mp900cwhat rom did you go with?
08:41.19thedalmenyThe offical asia one
08:41.30tmzt_mp900cand what kind of free ram/heap do you get?
08:41.46thedalmenynow ya going over my head technically :)
08:41.53thedalmenyfree ram/heap ?
08:42.13thedalmenymean how much free ram have i got running atm?
08:42.48thedalmenyis has 192mb ram
08:42.51thedalmenydunno how muh is free
08:43.30tmzt_mp900ccontrol panel/settings device info?
08:44.00thedalmenyYe it just says
08:44.01tmzt_mp900csomething like that, I don't have ppc
08:44.04thedalmenyRAM: 192mb
08:44.11thedalmenyFlash Size 256MB
08:44.24tmzt_mp900cdo you have a thing where you kill programs?
08:44.40thedalmenyOnly had it since sat so dunno
08:44.50thedalmenyThis is my first windows mobile device so its all a bit new to me
08:45.25tmzt_mp900cwell, closing programs with the x doesn't really close them, at least in wm5
08:45.32thedalmenyah
08:45.34thedalmenyit does on this
08:45.37tmzt_mp900cso they just stay in ram
08:45.46tmzt_mp900coh, that might be the htc thing
08:46.04thedalmenywhen u press "x" on this it does close them but its wm6.1
08:46.13tmzt_mp900cok
08:46.58tmzt_mp900chow is the touch interface?
08:47.13thedalmenyIts very good
08:47.17thedalmenyI had an iphone before it
08:47.28thedalmenyAnd it doesnt beat the iphone when it comes to usability
08:47.32thedalmenyBut it's very very close
08:47.33tmzt_mp900cold iphone?
08:47.44thedalmenyye
08:47.55thedalmenyi didnt want the iphone 3G
08:48.04tmzt_mp900cdo you get the contacts spinning and all that?
08:48.06thedalmenySo i got the HTC Diamond touch instead
08:48.11thedalmenyye tmzt_mp900c
08:48.30thedalmenyu can flick through contracts like u would a flip book
08:49.02tmzt_mp900cI've seen pictures, I will probably play with it if it comes here
08:49.18tmzt_mp900csome people are using it on other phones, I think
08:49.32tmzt_mp900cbut not as fast as on diamond
08:49.46thedalmenyye
08:50.05thedalmenyThe ROM the diamond gets shipped with is very bad when it comes to the touch interface speed
08:50.28thedalmenyBut once u update, it works perfectly.
08:50.45tmzt_mp900cyou use asian rom, was that just released?
08:50.56thedalmenyye not long ago
08:51.05tmzt_mp900cmight be newer drivers
08:51.08thedalmenyye
08:51.43tmzt_mp900cdoes touch replace most of the interface or does it fall back to start menu and today screen?
08:53.36tmzt_mp900cknowing the free ram is important because different roms have different amounts free, and it really makes the biggest difference in usability of these devices
08:54.48thedalmenyTouch replaces quite a bit
08:54.51thedalmenynot all of it
08:55.08tmzt_mp900cwhat ie does it have?
08:57.35thedalmenyuses Opera
08:57.55thedalmenyuses an optimized ver made for htc diamond
09:07.59tmzt_mp900cok
09:12.04tmzt_mp900cso 6.5 opera, full opera on the device not mini?
09:13.50thedalmenyOpera Mobile 9.5
09:14.33tmzt_mp900c9.5, right
09:15.13tmzt_mp900cno wifi though?
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09:16.08tmzt_mp900cit seems all the touch ones don't have the wifi, like vogue doesn't and titan does
09:16.15thedalmenyye it does have wifi
09:16.20thedalmenyWifi and AGPS
09:16.27tmzt_mp900coh, its not in the wiki, is it g?
09:16.34thedalmenyG ?
09:16.39tmzt_mp900c80211g
09:17.01tmzt_mp900cthere it is under connectivity
09:17.20tmzt_mp900chow does the gps work?
09:17.49thedalmenyWiFi 802.11b/g
09:17.51tmzt_mp900cno card slot?
09:17.53thedalmenythe gps is perfect
09:17.57thedalmenygot TomTom7 on it
09:18.03thedalmenyWorks like a dream, almost instant lock
09:18.58tmzt_mp900cbut it has the internal 4g flash
09:19.08thedalmenyye
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11:44.12kiozencr2: you saw the pastebins?
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12:48.15knoboMaybe there is a faq somewhere, but which HTC phone is most usable with linux now?
12:51.49knoboMaybe I could get my company to sponce some of the development.
12:52.07knoboThey are considering buying iPhone for everyone
12:52.25knoboWhich I'm working against.
12:52.34marajinknobo: None of the modern ones are exactly fully useable. We've been getting some decent progress with kaiser/vogue/polaris though
12:53.11knoboAre you using DLLs from windows to operate the hardware?
12:53.22marajinNo all native linux stuff
12:53.37marajinwe're reverse engineering where necessary
12:54.18marajinbut seriously why buy an iPhone for /business/ O.o your bosses must be cracked int he head
12:54.40raph_aelcould be worse : blackberry
12:54.49knoboHe has his good sides too.
12:54.53marajinraph_ael: I'd rather have a blackberry than an iPhone
12:55.15marajinthough purely out of loathing for apple/iphone fanaticism
12:55.21knoboIf I should present your plans to the board, to make them sponce you, which page should I point them to?
12:55.44raph_aelmarajin: i would not
12:55.53marajinknobo: Unfortunately we haven't been doing much public information release, stuff is spammed all over the place.
12:56.12raph_aelmarajin: i'm fed up with apple fanboyism, though the iphone is far better than a blackberry
12:56.53marajinknobo: All I can tell you is that we've got Framebuffer/SD/GPRS/GPS/GSM/Touchscreen (more or less, we need to fix some niggles)/Keyboard
12:57.15marajinWe need to get... bluetooth, wifi, power management, sound
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12:57.37knoboahh. power management is important.
12:57.42knoboand sound
12:57.42marajinyes indeedy
12:57.48marajinwell we can make calls
12:57.50knoboIf not, we can no cal
12:58.00marajinwe just can't play sounds from the OS
12:58.12marajinnah the call stuff is actually handled somewhat in hardware directly
12:58.24marajinwe've booted and made calls under android at least on those devices
12:59.06knoboMaybe I could make a demo for them, then they would be inspired.
12:59.25marajinQuestion though, if they'll consider linux converted HTC devices and the iPhone, what's their objection to running on WM for now?
13:01.53marajinanyway, those 3 would probably be the best supported modern devices, some of the older devices have somewhat more complete implementations but you'd never get those devices from-new anymore
13:02.23marajinthe 3 devices are pretty much linked in development so they tend to stay quite level in what works
13:04.16marajinknobo: http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/README.txt
13:04.42marajinknobo: Bit of info on what's going on there. That folder contains the necessary files to boot a polaris/kaiser into linux/android
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13:11.37marajinallo ginge!
13:11.39gingedcordes_: half way through moving!
13:11.44gingemarajin: yo
13:11.51gingedcordes_: hows the ba image?
13:12.08gingeI lose all broadband tomorrow for about 2 weeks :(
13:12.11dcordes_ginge: doesn't want to build, sorry.
13:12.21marajinginge: knobo over there is trying to campaign his company to get HTC devices with linux on them (possible with a view to commiting some of their resources to developing linux on the devices) instead of getting iPhones company wide
13:12.30dcordes_you could take some ancient prebuilt one
13:12.41gingemarajin: nice
13:13.00gingedcordes_: no worries, thanks anyway
13:13.13gingehas to move mosre stuff now...
13:13.15gingecya
13:13.42dcordes_ginge: I will look where I can get a good image and email
13:15.12marajindcordes_: Yo..
13:15.17dcordes_yoyo
13:15.32marajindcordes_: that comment to gingeabout knobo might be of interest to you too
13:15.50dcordes_I'm reading through the conversation
13:16.23marajindcordes_: Well it'd be nice for us to get some corporate backing/paid dev time
13:17.00knoboThere is a meeting on thursday, I'll talk with them about this then
13:17.12dcordes_heck we need the touchscreen driver so knobo can present openmoko
13:17.20marajinseriously
13:17.26dcordes_knobo: are you guys envolved in embedded development?
13:17.34marajinthey might well be wooed if you could present working openmoko
13:17.36dcordes_s/envolved/involved&
13:17.44dcordes_*_o ^^
13:18.12knobodcordes_: no, we are in to free software
13:18.32dcordes_then you really cannot get an iphone :)
13:18.41knobodcordes_: that's what I'm saying
13:18.51dcordes_knobo: did you look at the kaiser?
13:19.34knoboI'm just starting to look in to this matter my self, as I can see that the guys handeling our phones are not able to do it.
13:19.36dcordes_marajin: btw, I think dzo is half way with the (non-phone)audio and he said it should be the same on all msm7x00
13:19.49marajindcordes_: sweet =)
13:19.57knoboSo I have no mandate, yet, but this issue needs fixing
13:20.31marajinwell there's no real argument that HTCs are the best/most flexible phones for business
13:20.51BabelO_kiozen: i found a new idea to improve M :), like  when approach a Waypoint doing an automatic zoom in to a specific level detail...
13:21.11dcordes_marajin: if I'd want to sell business phones, I'd go for kaiser.
13:21.20BabelO_kiozen: and some other idea too, but i think you have to say, then just do it :)
13:21.23marajindcordes_: That is what the kaiser was designed for yeah
13:21.29BabelO_kiozen: but i m not Nike company
13:21.51kiozenBabelO_: zooming at proximity sounds good
13:21.56marajindcordes_: Or the Diamond Pro possible but too expensive/no linux at all yet
13:21.59kiozenBabelO_: and what is the other?
13:22.20dcordes_BabelO_: like in the first GTA games, lol :)I
13:22.26marajindcordes_: Tho' the diamond (pro) may turn out to be a good candidate for android and such given that it's an MSM7201A
13:22.35dcordes_marajin: raphael?
13:22.43marajindcordes_: GTA games zoomed at speed not proximity
13:22.52marajindcordes_: yeah the diamond pro == raphael
13:23.00knoboUsing HTC with WM until Linux is working is a realy good idea. I'll see if I could make a demo for them by thursday. I know a guy who has offerd a HTC phone to try it out on.
13:23.15knoboI don't know which one it is, but it is said to be possible.
13:23.24BabelO_kiozen: it is more like a maps automatic orientation, because i use M with my bike... a little more difficult to get a coorect maps orientation, specialy when  wife say the direction
13:23.38marajinknobo: find out which device it is and someone around here will be able to help you get it running if its a supported device
13:23.39kiozenLOL
13:23.49cr2kiozen: i need to read the datasheet to understand your logs
13:23.50dcordes_knobo: where are you located?
13:23.55cr2#define CTRL_TEMP0  0x04
13:23.55cr2#define CTRL_TEMP1  0x74
13:23.55cr2#define CTRL_VBAT   0x24
13:23.56cr2#define CTRL_AUX_N  0x64
13:23.56cr2#define CTRL_START  0x80
13:24.17cr2kiozen: your logs show 0x72 0x80
13:24.30cr2and 0x72 0x00
13:24.41kiozenhm
13:25.06knobodcordes_: norway, oslo
13:25.08kiozendo you need a trace with a charged device, too?
13:25.14kiozencr2: ?
13:25.38cr2kiozen: no, we need to understand this log
13:25.42kiozenok
13:26.26dcordes_knobo: ok. thought you'd probably be more proximate so I could have offered kaiser for tryout
13:27.58cr2kiozen: Table1 of tsc2046 says '2' is VBAT ;)
13:28.36cr2and '7' is temp1
13:29.36cr2kiozen: but they are shifted, i think.
13:29.36BabelO_kiozen: is the GPS direction stable ?
13:29.54BabelO_cr2: why you did not take the tsc2046.c ?
13:31.07cr2BabelO_: does it work in single-ended mode ?
13:31.16kiozenBabelO_: only if you have some speed > ~3km/h
13:31.54cr2BabelO_: can you provide me with a link ?
13:31.57BabelO_cr2: single-ended ? i use it on artemis but it is only 16bit mode
13:32.08kiozencr2: if i do a powermon while tracing, we should see several request (temp et al)
13:32.48BabelO_cr2: http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=tree;f=drivers/input/touchscreen;h=5b16ef6a5b571bc059f5f4547d07251c8db4b3ec;hb=htc-omap
13:33.27BabelO_cr2: this one works perfect for TS, ads7846 give me some strange results
13:37.18cr2kiozen: it may just pick the data from cached locations, but it's interesting to run it longer than 1 minute.
13:37.43cr2BabelO_: ts may run in differential mode.
13:37.51kiozenok, i can try that..
13:39.13cr2BabelO_: this is a ts driver, we need vbat and tempX too.
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13:40.35cr2BabelO_: and wince sets 15bit transfers for some reason. but the standard ads7846 driver works for ts.
13:40.36BabelO_cr2: ok, then i can do one myself :) just to see of on arte i can get battery from that, but don't think
13:41.00cr2ok
13:41.25BabelO_cr2: on arte ads7846 give me bad result, tsc2046_ts is better and fine
13:43.43dcordes_mickeyl: ping?
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13:52.15BabelO_kiozen: so it is nmea command, i ll look to nmea spec, can be nice to have orientation too
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13:56.20marajindcordes_: So, what's been happening?
13:57.41kiozenBabelO_:  no nmea
13:58.09kiozenBabelO_: the direction is derived from the coordinates of p[n] and p[n-1]
13:58.11BabelO_kiozen: ok, so how can i get that, only math calcul ? from available sat
13:58.14BabelO_ok
13:58.40BabelO_that easy this way
13:58.51kiozenBabelO_: if speed is too low, noise will make your direction pointer jump
13:59.08BabelO_kiozen: for automatic zoom, it can be a propertie of waypoint on GT
13:59.33kiozenBabelO_: yes, wpts do have a proximity value already
13:59.46BabelO_kiozen: oh, very good :)
14:00.12kiozenBabelO_: proximity zoom is easy
14:00.31kiozenBabelO_: however your map rotation is a bit tricky
14:01.10kiozenBabelO_: you have to rotate a bitmap of the diagonal size of you screen
14:01.23BabelO_kiozen: yes i understand, i think i see that in roadmap or another tool cr2 told me
14:01.24kiozenBabelO_: and that has to be done quite frequently
14:01.36kiozenBabelO_: that needs a good cpu
14:02.03kiozenBabelO_: yes vector maps are much easier in that respect
14:02.16BabelO_ok
14:05.43kiozengot to go, bbl
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15:47.28BabelO_cr2, kiozen : http://www.cuil.com do you know this one ?
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17:14.06tmzt_mp900con gta/fr?
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17:40.04dcordesBabelO: that cuil looks interesting
17:40.51BabelOdcordes: yes make up by old google  guys
17:41.16dcordesI'm reading info
17:44.19dcordesWe believe that analyzing the Web rather than our users is a more useful approach
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17:50.46dcordeshi marbalon
17:50.50marbalondcordes: hi
17:51.07marbalonany success with Xfbdev ?
17:51.41dcordesno I tried to insert two fprintf lines tmzt told me but it won't build
17:51.51dcordesdo you have openembedded by any chance?
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17:52.26marbalondcordes: no
17:52.57dcordesmickey|walking: heya. Can you give me a hand adding the debug printing to tslib.c?
17:53.02dcordes(in the xser-kdrive)
17:53.07marbalondcordes: there is any tutorial about OE configuration and compilation?
17:53.40dcordesmarbalon: I always look at http://angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
17:53.56dcordesjust remove the .stable stuff and only use org.openembedded.dev
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17:55.27marbalondcordes: any way to connect via telnet or ssh ?
17:56.14dcordesmarbalon: ssh. use gprs to connect to the net and then revers ssh
17:56.48marbalondcordes: to expensive in our country :(
17:58.04dcordesmarbalon: we really need usb or bluetooth
18:02.53cr2BabelO: yes, a good idea. to be not so evil :)
18:04.01cr2google-analytics and such redirect to /dev/null here.
18:04.44BabelOcr2: but it is not working very well at the  moment
18:07.23dcordesBabelO: it looks ok to me
18:07.53tmzt_mp900cdcordes: hey
18:08.07dcordesheya
18:08.38tmzt_mp900cdid you get me that file in a paste?
18:08.56tmzt_mp900cI can't know where exactly you put the printf's otherwise
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18:09.47dcordestmzt_mp900c: tslib.c from xorg-xserver-kdrive package?
18:09.54tmzt_mp900cyes
18:10.36dcordesI accidently told OE to remove the workdir. but I pasted it yesterday let me look
18:11.17tmzt_mp900cthe xcalibrate proto comes for xorg git I think, so it may have been changed
18:12.36dcordesdon't find the paste
18:12.59dcordesI will see if OE still builds it without the fprintf changes
18:13.04tmzt_mp900cok
18:15.25marbalondcordes: what MACHINE = ??? did you set in OE ?
18:16.28marbalondcordes: and bitbake x11-image for building ?
18:17.31dcordesmarbalon: http://rafb.net/p/G0KEcG73.html
18:17.37dcordesof course we have kaiser in OE ;)
18:18.38dcordesI wonder if it wouldn't be better to use stable for all this testing
18:18.49dcordesbut better use dev so we are in sync
18:18.55BabelOdcordes: compare a search with google and cuil, for example : "linux on htc artemis" and you will see.
18:19.49kiozenhm,, how do I get a second login for haret?
18:20.07marbalondcordes: thanks I will try to build that, you put that on SD card as initrd image or ext3 partitions?
18:20.21BabelOkiozen: port 999
18:20.29BabelOSorry 9998
18:20.32dcordesmarbalon: use the latest git source revision for SRCREV_linux-kaiser and OE will even give you an uptodate, working kernel
18:21.07kiozenBabelO: port is inknown key word
18:21.24kiozens/inknown/unknown/
18:21.32tmzt_mp900clisten 999
18:21.53BabelOkiozen: telnet on port 9998 after doing a listen
18:21.58dcordesmarbalon: sd, but you have to be a bit careful: there are mmc DMA errors which can kill your system. they occure when you make large file operations in the image. for example it happens here when I run a find on / or try tp mplayer a video.
18:22.17BabelOOk i m slow with n800 keyboard
18:23.08kiozenBabelO: listen! that's it, thanks
18:23.14tmzt_mp900chaven't needed that since doing nledset and mmutrace together
18:23.28dcordesmarbalon: I have 1st primary parition fat 16 with haret, default.txt (add to cmdline root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 and remove initrd) zImage. then there is the root file system extracted on the _ext2_ on partition two
18:23.50tmzt_mp900cdo you have rootdelay, dcordes?
18:24.10dcordestmzt_mp900c: marbalon yea, also put a rootdelay of 5 or so
18:24.48marbalondcordes: wrr I left my card reader at work...
18:25.04dcordes:(
18:25.10dcordessucks
18:25.18tmzt_mp900citsutils, do you have windows?
18:25.40dcordesmarbalon: you can use initrd also but it sucks for debugging
18:28.24kiozencr2: a spp trace with powermon over 1 minute http://pastebin.no/13749
18:38.43dcordesmarbalon: I'm getting a micro sd usb reader device with my new 8gb micro sd
18:42.27dcordestmzt_mp900c: I'll get the workdir out of OE and modify/build manually
18:48.44kiozendamnit, no dynamic_cast for arm :/
18:50.49dcordestmzt_mp900c: now it won't build at all any longer
18:51.08BabelOkiozen: lol, i discover that too
18:51.29BabelOkiozen: qobject_cast works
18:52.18kiozendoes not help here, I know it's an QObject, but I want to know it the object has an extended API
18:52.40kiozenkillall -9 arm
18:54.44dcordesanother rm -rf tmp/
18:56.37kiozenyes, tomorrow I get "Appleseed Ex Machina" at  least one positive news for today
19:01.05dcordeslooks nice
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19:02.41BabelOkiozen: upgrading to suse 11.0 since 2hours
19:03.12kiozenBabelO: arrgg, you are dooooooooooomed
19:04.16BabelOkiozen: intermet upgrade booted from grub ;)
19:04.26BabelOSo n800 save me
19:05.13kiozendooooomed
19:05.13kiozensince I installed suse11 my compelte network handling is a mess
19:05.57kiozenlatest gcc gives me a hell of stupid warnings from all libs
19:06.24BabelOkiozen: 64bits?
19:06.26kiozenjust my total lack of time saves me from downgrading to 10.3
19:06.30kiozenyes 64 bits
19:10.05wasupginge: you there?
19:10.28marajinwasup: I think ginge is gone for a while now, he's in the middle of moving
19:10.51wasupoh... do u know has he released n e new zImages?
19:11.15marajinprobably on his site, I'll find itfor you in a minute (busy right now), or dcordes will know
19:11.31wasupok..thanks
19:12.24BabelOkiozen: still 32b for me
19:12.49kiozenBabelO: have fun with knetworkmanager
19:14.20BabelOkiozen: i always remove it else when i connnect artemis usb i lose internet ;)
19:14.41dcordeswasup: titan zImage?
19:14.41marbalondcordes: http://rafb.net/p/NzspWR63.html can you look that ?
19:14.54kiozenBabelO: me too, but now they seem to have fucked up tradittional method, too
19:15.04marbalondcordes: problem with CACHE variable ???
19:15.52dcordesmarbalon: did you make the variable setup script as explained in the building-angstrom howto?
19:16.26dcordesBabelO: does blueangel qtopia image use tslib?
19:16.40marbalondcordes: no just create local.conf
19:16.45wasupdcordes: yeah... just wondering if there was a new one
19:17.09dcordesmarbalon: make the script then. you need to source it before you build
19:17.23dcordeswasup: no clue. I bet if
19:17.37marbalondcordes: ok, thans
19:17.40dcordes..ginge made a new one in the meantime, he would have notified you
19:17.41BabelOdcordes: yes, artemis too
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19:18.01dcordesBabelO: I should try it on kaiser then. maybe it just works ootb witht the blueangel image
19:18.17dcordeswill diskdump my current sd
19:19.58BabelOdcordes: take artemis image
19:20.15BabelOdcordes: i post the link yesturday
19:21.47BabelOdcordes: you have gps app on it ;)
19:21.54dcordesyea :D
19:22.07dcordesqlandkarte
19:23.01kiozendcordes: good on you
19:24.37wasupdcordes: oh its cause i have been off since friday.. and last time that happened.. They got the SD card to work
19:24.44BabelOdcordes: yes ;) you have to edit /etc/init.d/qpe before start
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19:28.20dcordesBabelO: can you give me the link?
19:28.40dcordeswhich one shall I try? ba or artemis?
19:28.53dcordesoh sorry, you already said artemis. I can't find the link
19:29.05BabelOdcordes: look in the log at ltg, the one for artemis
19:30.49dcordesBabelO: http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcartemis/qtopia/QtopiaPhone-artemis-image.rootfs.tar.bz2 ?
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19:33.12BabelOdcordes: yes !
19:33.31dcordesok extracted it
19:36.12dcordesBabelO: why do you have to mknod the event devices in the qpe init script for artemis?
19:36.23dcordesis no udev present?
19:36.52BabelOdcordes: wrong kernel config on first release
19:37.12BabelOdcordes: copy artemis section
19:37.17dcordesok so I don't have to add them for kaiser? (in angstrom, they are created automatically)
19:37.48dcordes<PROTECTED>
19:37.49dcordes<PROTECTED>
19:37.52dcordeswhat's that for?
19:38.09dcordeslines83, 84
19:39.23dcordesBabelO: kaiser ts is on event0, keyboard on event1
19:39.40BabelOdcordes: default , it is like switch case in c
19:40.04dcordesln -s /dev/smd7 /dev/gps
19:40.22BabelOdcordes: so you duplicate arte and check your cat /proc/cpuiinfo
19:40.23dcordesso I put the switch case thing after Kaiser section?
19:40.31dcordesyea I already booted to check cpuinfo
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19:41.02dcordesHTC Kaiser
19:41.14BabelOdcordes: simply copy artemis part between ) and ;;
19:42.06dcordesok I'm not sure about                 export QWS_KEYBOARD="htcbuthandler:/dev/input/event0,GPIO:/dev/input/event1,EXT"
19:42.52BabelOJust keep the first
19:43.01cr2kiozen: it's the same consistent pattern in the trace
19:43.08BabelOI have many entries on arte
19:43.15dcordesBabelO: the first? you mean remove GPIO?
19:43.22kiozencr2: yes that what i thought, too
19:43.24cr2kiozen: 6 writes and 6 reads.
19:43.37cr2kiozen: 2 r/w repeated 3 times.
19:43.54cr2kiozen: i see it in the battdrv.dll too
19:44.24cr2now i need to understand the numbers.
19:44.51BabelOLinwnck, lol
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19:45.27BabelOdcordes: anyone if you change the event name
19:46.05dcordesBabelO: I don't really understand. keyboard output goes to /dev/input/event0 on kaiser so I put htcbuthandler:/dev/input/event1, but what about the other part?
19:46.46kiozencr2: have ordered a new gps mouse i-Blue 747, hope it's without static nav, and linux friendly
19:46.49BabelOdcordes: put event0 not 1
19:47.32dcordesBabelO: event0 is touchscreen only
19:49.08BabelOdcordes: ok , so you can boot
19:49.23dcordeswait I'll put /etc/pointercal
19:49.45BabelOdcordes: after you  can enable modem, but before try without
19:50.02dcordes4943 2 -3038528 -1083 14390 -30622432 6553666 65536
19:51.31dcordesBabelO: http://rafb.net/p/ewP6p480.html camn
19:51.40dcordescan you take a look? I'm not sure about *) position
19:53.39BabelOdcordes: *) ;; go after ;; of kaiser section,
19:54.07BabelOdcordes: also, you have to measure screen size in millimeter
19:54.12dcordesok
19:54.13dcordesoh
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19:59.47dcordesBabelO: I measured it, it's equal to artemis
20:00.26BabelOOk
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20:00.47dcordes;;
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20:00.48dcordesesac
20:00.51dcordescorrect?
20:02.14BabelOdcordes: *) ;;
20:02.35BabelO;; *) ;;
20:02.47dcordesalright
20:05.52dcordesBabelO: 118M/media/disk2/ extracted. is that ok?
20:07.03BabelODon t know
20:07.11BabelONo computer
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20:09.41dcordesBabelO: it is stuck after Starting Qtopia on HTC Kaiser
20:10.06dcordesCannot create hore
20:10.09dcordeslol
20:10.30dcordesCannot get display lock
20:13.57BabelOSsh to device and try by hand, set the  env variable before
20:14.49dcordesCannot create semaphore /tmp/qtembedded-0/QtEmbedded-0 'd'\ Error 38: Function not implemented\ Cannot get display lock\ /local/devel/qtopia-git/qtopia_snapshot/src/libraries/qtopia/qperformancelog.cpp:104 shmget failed: Function not implemented
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20:15.25dcordesit flashes between this and anohter error:
20:15.49tmzt_mp900cdcordes: is /tmp a tmpfs?
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20:17.36dcordesBabelO: ssh is not so good. I would need ppp, the gprs init script and run the reverse ssh script
20:17.39cr2dcordes: sysv ipc not compiled ?
20:18.18dcordescr2: it's 1:1 artemis image, only changed board stuff for kaiser and replaced /etc/pointercal
20:18.18tmzt_mp900ccr2: would it be hard to get bt on kaiser?
20:19.28tmzt_mp900cdo we know the gpio for it?
20:20.07dcordestmzt_mp900c: I think the problem is that the uart it is connected to does not function properly
20:20.18dcordesiirc, we can read from it, and writing causes a hang
20:21.10tmzt_mp900cso it would need an entry in the serial driver (forget what it is called)
20:21.29tmzt_mp900cthere are many different quirks for pxa and others
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20:21.36Red_Devilhello
20:21.52dcordeshi
20:21.57marajin'lo
20:22.16Red_Devil:-)
20:22.22tmzt_mp900calternatively, does the card part of the wifi work?
20:22.27tmzt_mp900cthe sdio interface?
20:22.32Red_Devili'm playin around with my kaiser and linux
20:22.36Red_Devilpretty cool stuff
20:22.37dcordestmzt_mp900c: I never tried anything about that
20:22.50dcordesmarajin: you know anything about it?
20:22.51cr2dcordes: you don't have sysv ipc in the kaiser _kernel_
20:23.05marajindcordes: Know anything about what?
20:23.17dcordesmarajin: kaiser wifi
20:23.23dcordescr2: k
20:23.28marajindcordes: Erm what do you want to know about it?
20:23.51dcordesmarajin: did somebody try to make it work?
20:23.52tmzt_mp900cI asked if the sdio part worked, and the driver didn't?
20:24.13marajindcordes: No but SDIO technically detects it I think.
20:24.17tmzt_mp900cbut I remember that only on sdio is working
20:24.43tmzt_mp900cdcordes: (I think) ls /sys/bus/
20:24.54tmzt_mp900csee what sdio is under
20:25.19dcordescr2: enable CONFIG_SYSVIPC in kaiser .config?
20:25.42dcordesok let me boot tmzt_mp900c
20:25.57tmzt_mp900cdo that zImage first, if you are going to try qt
20:26.53dcordesright.. I don't have the angstrom fs now on the card anyway
20:26.59tmzt_mp900cis there a way to dump cis from sdio devices?
20:27.00dcordescould have put both
20:27.23tmzt_mp900cyou can force a shell under the qt image?
20:27.39tmzt_mp900cinit=/bin/sh or add 2 to cmdline?
20:28.52tmzt_mp900cor, acx is internal so no cis
20:29.20dcordescommand init sequence?
20:29.41tmzt_mp900cdo we know T* number for it?
20:30.05dcordes/OE/org.openembedded.dev/tmp/cross/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: No such file or directory ouch
20:30.11tmzt_mp900cno, if I understand it, sdio is similar to pcmcia in some ways,
20:30.14cr2dcordes: yes.
20:30.38tmzt_mp900cdumpcis would identify the card under pcmcia, I wondered if the was a similar program for sdio
20:31.34BabelOdcordes: yes you need sys and  also shm and tmpfs
20:32.10cr2dcordes: it's an old hardcore unix way, i'm suprised (?) that this java stuff from gooooogle does not use it.
20:32.35kiozencr2: do you know this? ftp://ftp.gentoo.ru/projects/handhelds/fs_n560/ScreenShoots/Inside_N560/
20:32.51cr2dcordes: lol. that's why qtopia will be always faster :)
20:33.19cr2kiozen: this machine was unavailable for months.
20:34.29kiozencr2: there is a small backup battery!?
20:34.47cr2where ?
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20:35.21cr21020210.JPG ?
20:35.26cr2yes :)
20:35.32cr2for the rtc probably.
20:36.03dcordescr2: booting.
20:36.09cr2aic1110 ?
20:37.46kiozenbut clock is reset after reset, ok that is obvious :)
20:37.53dcordescr2: same errors
20:38.20tmzt_mp900cdid you add anything to /etc/fstab?
20:38.39dcordesno
20:38.41cr2kiozen: this site is a bit outdated
20:38.53kiozenwhy?
20:38.57cr2dcordes: do you have 'ipcs' ?
20:39.06BabelOdcordes: you activate shmfs too?
20:39.18dcordescr2: what's that?
20:39.27cr2dcordes: try in the desktop.
20:39.32cr2s/in /on /
20:40.13kiozencr2: the pics are great, ok the my rootfs is better now  ;)
20:40.20tmzt_mp900cwhat mounts /dev/shm ?
20:41.05dcordesBabelO: System V/Xenix/V7/Coherent file system support (SYSV_FS) ? (I cannot find shmfs in my config)
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20:43.28dcordes<PROTECTED>
20:43.35dcordesit's in pseudo fs
20:43.43dcordesand it is(was) enabled.
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20:44.56BabelOdcordes: soo something else is missing, should work on kaiser too
20:45.19tmzt_mp900ctmpfs?
20:45.42tmzt_mp900cI have a tmpfs on /dev/shm on my hpc and on my desktop, ipcs works on my hpc
20:46.48BabelOdcordes: check your .config with ba defconfig
20:47.14BabelOOr artemis, or universal
20:47.27cr2dcordes: sysv_fs is not needed.
20:48.05dcordescr2: ok do you have any other idea what might be missing?
20:49.41cr2dcordes: do you have ipcs in rootfs ?
20:53.49Red_Devilam i able to call with the newest rom?
20:53.57Red_Devili'm trying but nothing happens
20:54.07Red_Devilexcept the dialer shows he is calling
20:54.15Red_Devilor i mean dialing
20:54.47dcordesRed_Devil: try the other android initrd
20:55.23Red_Devilyou mean angstrom ?
20:55.31Red_Devili tried that but i only get a shell
21:01.05dcordesRed_Devil: that what the angstrom image is supposed to do. I mean the other android initrd
21:01.27dcordesRed_Devil: I think on some kaisers it works, on some not. see the forum. there are different reports with the same files
21:01.50dcordesRed_Devil: I mean this one http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/android-data.bin
21:02.04Red_Devilah
21:02.12Red_Devilit is the same size as android.bin
21:02.23Red_Devilbut i will try
21:03.04dcordesif that doesn't work either, try this one http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/initrd-android
21:03.39Red_Devilok
21:04.19Red_Devilsometimes the device hangs if i'm playin with it
21:05.11dcordesandroid is not so stable
21:05.21Red_Devilah
21:05.30Red_Devili even can't hang up
21:05.57dcordesor better said, it is not so stable on our devices. that's becauset there are no source, and therefore you can't poke around, tryout stuff and improve functionality
21:06.32dcordesRed_Devil: call a number of a device which is in your range so you can make sure you don't accidently waste money
21:09.07Red_Devilah ok
21:09.14Red_Devili called my voicemail :-)
21:09.26dcordescr2: didn't see the question. no, can't see ipcs in the artemis rootfs
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21:09.36dcordesRed_Devil: it worked?
21:09.38BabelO<PROTECTED>
21:10.31dcordesBabelO: is artemis defconfig in linuxtogo git?
21:11.07BabelOdcordes: yes
21:11.27dcordesBabelO: which branch? hh?
21:11.47Red_Devilnope
21:11.57Red_Devili'm trying the initrd-android now
21:12.25dcordesRed_Devil: you change the default.txt accordingly, no?
21:12.33Red_Devilyes i did ;)
21:13.00dcordessorry, just to make sure :)
21:13.06Red_Devilthe splash screen is pretty cool
21:13.10Red_Devilnp :)
21:13.13Red_Devilmmh
21:13.23dcordesI think the whole UI looks cool, if just it would work
21:13.31Red_Devilthiis one looks better
21:13.47dcordesthe hardware drivers are all fine, it's just the the userland
21:15.58Red_Devilthis one is more stable
21:16.11dcordescan you make a call?
21:16.11Red_Devilbut i have a red cross in my network icon
21:16.46Red_Devildidnt work :(
21:17.06Red_Devilbut the development is on the way!
21:21.29dcordescalling should work..
21:21.43Red_Devilok
21:21.50Red_Devilbut i even don't need to put my pin code in
21:22.04Red_Devilhow can the pone be connected with the network ?
21:24.37Red_Devilwow
21:24.42Red_Devilat least incomming calls work
21:24.48dcordesdid you try to call yourself in android?
21:25.04Red_Devilye
21:25.06Red_Devils
21:25.24Red_Devili should get the voicemail at that moment
21:25.27dcordesno clue about the pin question, as I disabled it in my sim card.
21:25.50Red_Devilah
21:26.00Red_Deviltouch screen is a bit buggy
21:26.10dcordesmaybe you should also try to. but I think it's not needed. yes, known problem.
21:27.05Red_Devilcool
21:27.08Red_Devilougoing works to
21:27.15Red_Deviloutgoing *
21:27.41Red_Devillooks pretty promesing :)
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21:30.41dcordesRed_Devil: what did you do to get outgoing work? disabled pin?
21:31.00Red_Devilnope
21:31.05Red_Deviljust called another number
21:31.25Red_Devili seemed that calling my own number was the problem
21:32.19cr2hehe.
21:32.31cr2250G hdd said goodbye.
21:32.49Red_Devilto bad
21:32.50cr2raid1 rules :)
21:32.53Red_Devildata loss?
21:32.54Red_Devilah
21:32.56Red_Devil:)
21:32.59cr2:)
21:33.28meredyddcr2: Just cross all available extremities until the rebuild is complete.
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21:34.09Red_Devil:)
21:34.21dcordesRed_Devil: can you try calling that number which worked in "android.bin" after you finished?
21:34.22BabelO_lol, suse install firefox 3 beta
21:34.45dcordesRed_Devil: I just want to find out if it would be better to replace android.bin with initrd-android
21:34.53dcordesbut if you say it is more stable it would be a good idea anyway
21:35.37cr2BabelO_: i use unpatched 10.2 there. because it's stable. without the net connection of course :)
21:35.56Red_Devilok dcordes
21:36.02Red_Devili'll try
21:36.12Red_Devilbut first i'm gonna take something to drink
21:36.13BabelO_cr2: 11.0 looks ok :) but after migration, not from scratch
21:36.14Red_Devilbrb
21:36.16dcordesthanks
21:37.13cr240MB/sec is ok.
21:38.02tmzt_mp900cdcordes: did you get the shm working, do you still get an error from qtopia?
21:38.41meredydddcordes: How's the grand tree-merging of the various devices going
21:38.42meredydd?
21:39.44dcordestmzt_mp900c: the shm stuff was already enabled
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21:40.49dcordesmeredydd: gine merged htc-msm up with android-msm 2.6.25 so we could look at htc-msm+dzo
21:41.19Red_Devilbooting
21:42.04dcordesRed_Devil: what did you mean the massey initrd is more stable?
21:42.13dcordesdid the android.bin make freezes?
21:42.14Red_Devilno
21:42.17Red_Devilit looked like that
21:42.28Red_Devilbut it also crashess
21:42.30dcordesany other differences observed?
21:42.54Red_Devili'm trying android.bin now
21:43.30Red_Deviltouch screen works better in android.bin
21:43.50dcordesRed_Devil: there is an android initrd posted in the forum which you can use to get online. but that depends on whether or not your provider id is in that image's table.
21:44.00dcordesok so we will keep android.bin
21:44.18Red_Devilphonecalls do not work with android.bin
21:44.28Red_Devilstrange
21:44.32Red_Devilmoment
21:44.32Red_Devilreset
21:44.34Red_Deviland i try again
21:44.54tmzt_mp900cyes, sysvipc is enabled but you need an ext2 or tmpfs on /dev/shm
21:45.01Red_Devili'm connected by hi in the neterlands
21:45.05tmzt_mp900cno more shmfs in 2.6
21:45.14Red_Devilnetherlands*
21:45.58BabelO_20 updates, 20 root password :(
21:47.29Red_Devilok
21:47.36Red_Devilif i call to the device running android.bin
21:47.50Red_Devilthe phone is ringing but nothing happens
21:48.14cr2esata is faster :)
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21:48.31dcordesRed_Devil: I bet if you'd reboot and try a bit you could get the same in the other initrd
21:49.14dcordesand you won't find out unless you decompile the phone application and all
21:49.41dcordesRed_Devil: maybe you can try around and suggest what image to use best :)
21:49.58wasupso what is the sucject you guys are on? and what device?
21:50.40Red_Devilif i can help i will
21:50.45Red_Devilso i'll try ;)
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21:51.17Red_Devilbut they are both crashing after a few minutes playiing
21:51.21Red_Devilplaying*
21:51.23dcordeswasup: which initrd is the best to use?, kaiser
21:53.45BabelO_cr2: do you have an idea why now we can turn icon on the desktop with kde4 ?
21:54.42dcordeslooks like kde said bye to minimalist :)
21:55.01dcordesI've been using gnome and now I only have fluxbox
21:55.10Red_Devil!fluxbox++
21:55.14Red_Devil;)
21:56.52cr2BabelO_: i don't have kde4
21:57.10BabelO_cr2: i try it :) ....
21:58.02wasupum...
21:58.38wasupprobably the one that dzo released... for the vogue... atleast on my titan the onscreen keyboard works
21:58.43Red_Devilok outgoing call also work in android.bin
21:58.54wasupoh intrid
21:58.59wasupmybad
21:59.29wasupumm.... hmm... I'm using the angstrom one off the linux kaiser site
21:59.58Red_Devilhttp://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/
21:59.59Red_Devilthis one
22:00.22Red_Devildcordes: both initrd's freeze
22:00.38Red_Devili'll try to replace my windows rom with another one
22:00.55wasupumm... what part freezes?
22:00.56Red_Devilto see if it will help
22:01.03Red_Devilif i'm playing around
22:01.17Red_Devilif i try to start maps it freezes
22:01.30wasupthe android one freezes?
22:01.33Red_Devilif i'm sliding the kinky slide thing from the top of the screen to the bottom
22:01.35wasupor the angstreom
22:01.40Red_Devilboth are freezing
22:01.49wasuphave you tried dzo's
22:01.57Red_Devili tried this one
22:02.02Red_Devilhttp://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/android.bin
22:02.04Red_Deviland
22:02.17Red_Devilhttp://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/
22:02.19Red_Devilthis one
22:02.34wasupdid you get the one in the android.zip?
22:02.40wasupon the vogue site?
22:02.41gingelo
22:02.55wasupit runs fine on my titan...
22:03.04Red_Devilok
22:03.05wasupand doesnt freeze.
22:03.11Red_Devili have a kaiser
22:03.27wasupif you get the android.bin i think its older then the one that comes in the zip
22:03.42Red_Devilthe one in the zip file is called intird.bin ?
22:03.47wasupyeah..
22:03.51Red_Devilok
22:03.56Red_Deviltry'ed that one yesterday
22:04.02Red_Devillet's try it again
22:04.07wasupi'm pretty sure... use all the stuff just change your zImage
22:04.42wasupdoes the kaiser have SD capabilities?
22:06.22Red_Deviles
22:06.24Red_Devilyes
22:06.30Red_Devili'm running from my sd card
22:06.56gingeRed_Devil: the kaiser sd driver is buggy. it makes android lockup
22:07.12wasupever since he updated the zip with the new data and system files.. my titan runs without freezing
22:07.25wasupbut i never really run it for longer then 15 minutes
22:07.30Red_Devilok
22:07.45gingewasup: your drevice is much closer to the voogue than the kaiseer.
22:07.51wasupginge: any new zImages?
22:08.09wasupreally?
22:08.12gingewasup: sorry, no. I amm just int he middlle of moving house
22:08.17wasupits cool
22:08.19wasupjw
22:08.27wasuphows the moving going?
22:08.39Red_Devilif i can try something
22:08.42gingewasup: not too bad. its really hot here so I am nearly cooked :)
22:08.44Red_Devillet me now
22:08.59wasuphot? where i'm at its 115...
22:09.00wasupno joke
22:09.10wasupfarenheit
22:09.11gingewasup: wow. I can't really complain.
22:09.20wasupi live in a desert
22:09.40gingewasup: thats not for me. I would turn to ash
22:10.11wasupRed_Devil: if uve already tried the angstrom and the android.zip initrids.. i dont really have any ideas
22:10.23wasupginge: i already turned to ash
22:10.27tmzt_mp900cdcordes: they aren't using the one with patched fb, right?
22:10.53tmzt_mp900czImage
22:10.58gingetmzt_mp900c: did dcordes merge those?
22:11.17tmzt_mp900cfrom yesterday, I hope not, it won't work for android
22:11.18Red_Devili mean i will try to help you guys try;ing getting something stable ;)
22:11.34gingeRed_Devil: can you code?
22:12.04Red_Devilnot realy
22:12.24Red_Devili can php
22:12.33Red_Devilbut c is a bridge to far
22:12.34gingeRed_Devil: we all start somewhere.
22:12.55dcordestmzt_mp900c: no patched fb zImage didn't go to the linuxtogo website
22:13.10tmzt_mp900cok
22:13.34tmzt_mp900cis it just an android accel problem of some type?
22:13.51dcordeswith the freezing?
22:13.56tmzt_mp900cyes
22:13.59gingeguesses dma
22:14.14dcordesginge: should know more about it. doesn't it freeze when you try and get online?
22:14.15tmzt_mp900cyes, but mdp uses dma doesn't it?
22:14.31gingetmzt_mp900c: yes, but the dma for the sd is screwed up somehow
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22:14.50gingetmzt_mp900c: well, more likely irq triggering
22:15.01tmzt_mp900coh, it just sounded like a graphics thing because he said it happens on the slide animation
22:15.11Red_Devileehm
22:15.19Red_Devilyes and if i start some application
22:15.24Red_Devildoesn't matter what
22:15.32Red_Devili can start the dialer oncce and it works
22:15.35tmzt_mp900cI am somewhat suprised that any of the android stuff works without gles
22:15.35wasupi still cant even get my titan online
22:15.42Red_Deviland if i'm starting it twice or for the third time
22:15.44Red_Devilis freezes
22:15.57tmzt_mp900cthat would be the sd dma then, I guess
22:16.08Red_Devilok
22:16.20tmzt_mp900cwasup: did you read the forum posts?
22:16.35tmzt_mp900cI think some in the vogue form where on titan
22:17.33tmzt_mp900cdo you have the settings in the default.txt?
22:17.46tmzt_mp900cwhat carrier are you on
22:18.32wasupsprint
22:19.10tmzt_mp900cI am sure some got it working, do you know you username and password from the sprint website?
22:20.06tmzt_mp900csome used that I think
22:20.15wasupi can get my username for data... but i cant get the password
22:20.19wasupand the sprint site...
22:20.23wasupthey took that info off
22:20.36tmzt_mp900cno, what you login to that site with
22:20.55tmzt_mp900cdcordes: can you give him the vogue link, its on my pc
22:21.08tmzt_mp900candroid thread
22:21.09dcordesforum or university?
22:21.11dcordesok
22:23.28dcordesmicrosoft paid xda devs to remove the sticky state :)
22:23.38dcordeshttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265
22:25.13cr2dcordes: i think it was htc :)
22:28.38wasupr u sereious?
22:28.59wasupserios*
22:29.05wasupserious*
22:29.08wasuphahaha
22:30.04dcordesdon't know. but I liked the linux threads being sticky because I found them quickly
22:30.45wasupdoes anyone know who actually owns xda?
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22:31.20tmzt_mp900co2?, there's a non htc xda device on engadget mobile
22:32.13tmzt_mp900cadd to wiki for each device?
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22:33.25dcordestmzt_mp900c: not sure what you mean
22:33.49tmzt_mp900cshould somebody add a link to the android thread on the wiki
22:34.05tmzt_mp900cfor each device
22:34.11gingethey got bribed?
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22:36.48marajinineffective chipset coolers ftl
22:39.06wasuphow much do you think microsoft/htc paid?
22:41.38marajinIt would appear to be owned by some german company
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22:42.31marajinwho seem to deal with making encrypted phones o.o;
22:42.50wasupsounds hight tec
22:42.54wasuptech*
22:45.31marajinthe whois data says it's registered to nah6.com crypto dv and nah6.com redirects to cryptophone.de
22:52.24wasupoh....
22:52.36wasuphmm... crazy.
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23:05.08dcordesginge: http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcblueangel/
23:05.15dcordesginge: if you boot to a shell, I think you can make a nice bluetooth ap from it
23:06.06gingelooks good. thanks
23:06.13wasupfor what phone?
23:06.24gingeblueangel
23:07.00dcordesmost recent build is qtopia
23:07.23gingedo any of those allow calls?
23:08.15dcordesyea the qtopia one works for me
23:08.47dcordesquite well even. you should avoid using the keyboard though. there are driver problems that make it get stuck
23:09.11gingesounds easy enough to fix, no?
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23:16.20dcordes_quite well even. you should avoid using the keyboard though. there are driver problems that make it get stuck
23:16.26dcordes_and if you have board id 6, do not suspend, because the display init is broken
23:16.52gingeoh, hmm
23:17.00gingeneeds a litte polish then?
23:32.58marajinhuh, my kaiser thinks it's connected to two seperate GPRS things at once? O.o
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23:34.19marajinI think all the abuse it's taken with linux porting tests have finally driven t mad

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