| 00:25.16 | BabelO | good night |
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| 06:55.21 | kiozen | hm, bugs for breakfast :/ |
| 06:55.26 | kiozen | vr2 |
| 06:55.49 | kiozen | cr2: the one in M is easy to fix |
| 06:56.01 | kiozen | cr2: for the one in GT I need more information |
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| 07:14.07 | jeanseb | hi |
| 07:21.17 | kiozen | cr2: http://www.qlandkarte.org/QLandkarteM |
| 07:21.24 | kiozen | that should fix the crash |
| 07:21.57 | kiozen | and mind your steps, the map might be a bit slippy |
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| 07:33.32 | joschkopf79 | hi all |
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| 07:34.14 | jeanseb | hi |
| 07:35.00 | joschkopf79 | hi BabelO, some time ago you told me to examing the IO_CONF registers to find out to which spi port the touchscreen is connected, but i couldn't figure out how to to this... question is how I can find out anything at all without knowing the pinout ioof omap850 |
| 07:35.47 | joschkopf79 | oups, seems I'm not really able to type correctly this morning :-O |
| 07:56.58 | BabelO | hi |
| 07:57.32 | BabelO | joschkopf79: yes, i told you that, but i think your ts port is the same than on artemis at 0xfffc1000 |
| 07:57.42 | BabelO | just using pd 0xfffc1000 0xff |
| 07:58.00 | BabelO | before and after taping the screen, you can see difference on latest adress |
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| 08:00.20 | joschkopf79 | BabelO: i see... so do i have to add any pin entries to the mux.c file? |
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| 08:04.12 | BabelO | joschkopf79: you can keep them like this for the moment, actually i try to finish the spi driver |
| 08:04.59 | joschkopf79 | oh, i see... actually i wonder whether there is some parallel effort on linwizard and what you are doing? |
| 08:08.28 | BabelO | joschkopf79: as cr2 say the spi driver look simple, i reuse another driver that use pio mode for low data transfer |
| 08:08.59 | BabelO | i just have a little issue wirth irq w<hich hang my device |
| 08:09.31 | joschkopf79 | hm, which driver did u reuse? |
| 08:09.48 | joschkopf79 | i had the irq already working, but nothing else :D |
| 08:10.12 | joschkopf79 | so i could count touches in /proc/interrupts |
| 08:12.10 | BabelO | joschkopf79: i reuse omap2_mcspi.c which look same struct once you remove all DMA call |
| 08:12.37 | BabelO | joschkopf79: if you look better on it you can see pio mode for data access <= 8 bit |
| 08:15.01 | BabelO | joschkopf79: i can send you mine this evening if you want to try it, i just have to fix status register access mask |
| 08:15.31 | joschkopf79 | BabelO: sure i am interested |
| 08:16.14 | joschkopf79 | BabelO: which kernel are you based on? as i understood you are not on the mvista branch? |
| 08:17.49 | BabelO | joschkopf79: i m on handhelds.org kernel with some omap patch |
| 08:19.32 | BabelO | bbl |
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| 08:23.00 | joschkopf79 | BabelO: i don't know if anybody had this running on wizard yet... but there should be big difference between artemis und wizard... |
| 08:23.04 | joschkopf79 | cya |
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| 08:56.20 | BabelO_ | joschkopf79: i don't think there is big difference between wizard / artemis / prophet /herald /omap850 phones |
| 08:58.01 | joschkopf79 | BabelO_: is your code checked in somewhere? |
| 09:16.29 | BabelO_ | joschkopf79: no, i m at office. i have to reverse some change before i send it to you. So i can't do it before this evening |
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| 09:17.50 | joschkopf79 | BabelO_: i'm in the office too, no hurry, question was just of interest ;) |
| 09:27.21 | kiozen | BabelO_: can you recommend a bluetooth usb stick working smoothly wit Linux, by chance? |
| 09:27.33 | kiozen | or anyone else :) |
| 09:28.05 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i have the MSI bluetooth stick, works fine with linux |
| 09:29.01 | kiozen | how generic is that stuff? is every adapter supposed to work or is it the same mess as WIFI? |
| 09:29.12 | BabelO_ | kiozen: this one, but it is very old http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/msi-bluetooth-usb.php |
| 09:30.35 | BabelO_ | kiozen: it seem it is more generic, i ve tested three different adapter, and all works |
| 09:30.49 | BabelO_ | kiozen: it is more easier to run them under linux than under windows |
| 09:31.18 | kiozen | hm, the yast dialog always scared me to death :) |
| 09:31.39 | cr2 | hi |
| 09:32.06 | cr2 | kiozen: it's much better than wifi. but there are some annoying firmware bugs too. |
| 09:32.38 | kiozen | http://www.amazon.de/Fujitsu-Siemens-BLUETOOTH-V2-0-USB-Stick/dp/B000CNF1CM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1202808710&sr=1-4 |
| 09:32.50 | kiozen | I would tend to by that one |
| 09:33.08 | cr2 | BabelO_: maybe it's better to try some earlier tagged version for roadmap_editor |
| 09:33.27 | kiozen | always hope that FSC's conservative design helps :) |
| 09:33.59 | cr2 | kiozen: you'd find out which chipset it uses. |
| 09:34.19 | cr2 | are there any windowz drivers available for it ? |
| 09:35.06 | cr2 | kiozen: your rootfs gives some warning about QtSvg during boot. |
| 09:35.22 | kiozen | :( ? |
| 09:35.35 | cr2 | kiozen: and there are a lot of !"ยง$% broken trash files lying around |
| 09:36.00 | BabelO_ | kiozen: http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/features.html |
| 09:36.02 | kiozen | did I tell you i had some problem with booting and shutdown |
| 09:36.24 | cr2 | but this svg is not used in M, so it's not a problem so far. |
| 09:36.42 | cr2 | ah, ok. now i get it. |
| 09:36.57 | kiozen | :) |
| 09:36.59 | cr2 | i don't have any problems. |
| 09:37.25 | cr2 | if the problem will persist, that must be your SD card i guess. |
| 09:37.48 | cr2 | ok, but i made many changes in the kernel... |
| 09:37.52 | kiozen | http://www.evilgenius.de/2007/04/10/bluetooth-dongle-with-csr-chipset-and-flash-or-external-memory-using-flash/ |
| 09:37.59 | kiozen | seems to be ok on linux |
| 09:38.25 | cr2 | kiozen: there are not that much BT chipset producers. |
| 09:38.32 | kiozen | cr2: I tried 3 different SD cards |
| 09:38.45 | cr2 | the problems are usually caused by buggy firmware. |
| 09:39.03 | cr2 | BT is nothing more than a glorified serial port. |
| 09:39.20 | kiozen | the stick is reported to work properly with windows, thus fw can't be too bad |
| 09:39.21 | cr2 | rs232 or serial-over-usb. |
| 09:39.57 | cr2 | kiozen: ok, i can test with many different cards too. and i'll fix the boot off the usb stick. |
| 09:40.12 | kiozen | yes, but I noticed too late what the gal at DELL meant asking me if I want anything special on my notebook |
| 09:40.42 | kiozen | it has a bt button, it has a bt light, but it has no bt |
| 09:41.00 | cr2 | lol. |
| 09:41.08 | cr2 | the same here, actually. |
| 09:41.32 | kiozen | and I never thought I would use bt |
| 09:41.45 | kiozen | but I consider buying a bt gps mouse |
| 09:41.56 | kiozen | to get gpsd up and running |
| 09:42.11 | cr2 | ok. |
| 09:42.30 | cr2 | i have 2 here |
| 09:42.43 | cr2 | one has broken bt. probably |
| 09:42.47 | cr2 | the other is ok. |
| 09:42.51 | kiozen | any one to recommend? |
| 09:43.03 | cr2 | don't use them, because of 76cx and athena. |
| 09:43.04 | kiozen | I would like to have one with a nice kallman filter |
| 09:43.24 | cr2 | they all use kalman filter. |
| 09:43.48 | kiozen | well then the one of the wbt201 must be real bad |
| 09:44.14 | kiozen | bought that one for my dad and was shocked by the quality |
| 09:44.14 | cr2 | it's nothing more than a quadratic predictor. |
| 09:44.27 | cr2 | 201 ? which chipset it is ? |
| 09:44.40 | kiozen | mkt if I remember right |
| 09:44.56 | cr2 | mine are very small leadtek receivers with sirf3. |
| 09:45.58 | kiozen | no antaris |
| 09:46.00 | cr2 | but i dislike sirf3. |
| 09:46.03 | cr2 | ok. |
| 09:46.21 | cr2 | antaris needs the handcrafted firmware :) |
| 09:46.40 | cr2 | i'd like to do my own raw data processing, you know :) |
| 09:46.48 | kiozen | it would need stable drivers in the first place :P |
| 09:47.04 | cr2 | drivers ? |
| 09:47.25 | kiozen | windows! my dad calls me every 3 weeks |
| 09:47.34 | cr2 | hehe. |
| 09:47.51 | kiozen | I wanted to do him a favour... |
| 09:48.06 | cr2 | Atmel / u. blox ATR 0625 ? |
| 09:48.16 | BabelO_ | cr2, kiozen : i want to change my job :( doing that actually, not really funny -> http://www.pruefziffernberechnung.de/U/USt-IdNr.shtml#PZES |
| 09:48.59 | kiozen | hope they pay you good |
| 09:49.36 | cr2 | lol |
| 09:49.37 | kiozen | yes that is some fine german burocratic stuff |
| 09:49.45 | cr2 | the right upper corner is nice. |
| 09:50.11 | kiozen | the attractor? |
| 09:50.39 | BabelO_ | it is the only website i found that describe how to check vat num and other for various country |
| 09:50.41 | kiozen | cr2: http://www.kowoma.de/gps/geraetetests/Datenlogger/iblue_wintec_p1.html |
| 09:50.48 | cr2 | no, the right upper corner. |
| 09:51.15 | kiozen | coool its hacked :) |
| 09:52.50 | kiozen | or it might by from the page owner, any way it's nice :) |
| 09:53.29 | cr2 | i think it's hacked |
| 09:53.45 | cr2 | because of the p0rn links at the left side. |
| 09:56.21 | BabelO_ | cr2: anyway it is a usefull web site for me :) |
| 09:57.02 | cr2 | BabelO_: sure. |
| 09:57.03 | kiozen | BabelO_: comit it, you were bored and hcked the site |
| 09:57.21 | cr2 | lol |
| 09:57.40 | BabelO_ | :) |
| 10:04.04 | kiozen | cr2: btw you noticed the link to the new M binary? |
| 10:06.31 | cr2 | kiozen: yes. i'll test it in the evening. |
| 10:06.44 | kiozen | ok, just wanted to make szre |
| 10:06.55 | kiozen | s/szre/sure/ |
| 10:07.00 | cr2 | you have fixed the unaligned access ? |
| 10:12.44 | kiozen | cr2: don't even have a clue what this can cause |
| 10:13.19 | kiozen | but I fixed probably the crashing on exit |
| 10:14.49 | cr2 | ok. |
| 10:16.33 | cr2 | hahaha. |
| 10:16.36 | cr2 | The plans foresee increased use of satellites and unmanned surveillance aircraft to monitor unauthorized movements, and a computerized communication network to share information. |
| 10:17.14 | cr2 | we are going in the direction of the land of the free |
| 10:17.16 | cr2 | http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/10/europe/union.php |
| 10:18.05 | cr2 | this is something new to me |
| 10:18.07 | cr2 | The 27 EU countries started issuing passports with a digitalized facial image in August 2006 and, in June 2009, will add the holder's fingerprints. |
| 10:25.45 | kiozen | I know some historic persons that would have celebrated a big party, finding such a close grid to surveil their people |
| 10:32.03 | cr2 | that sounds very good: "monitor unauthorized movements" |
| 10:32.52 | cr2 | i think it's wider known as 'agps' ;) |
| 10:35.15 | cr2 | kiozen: i think you'll enjoy this http://lea.hamradio.si/~s53mv/navsats/digital.html |
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| 10:37.18 | snakefreak | can anyone say me how to configure gomunicator on ba? which port ttyS0? |
| 10:37.55 | cr2 | snakefreak: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Serial |
| 10:38.28 | kiozen | cr2: marvelous! that is like a flashback into my youth :) and those hand drawn printed boards... I shouldn't have thrown away all that stuff |
| 10:38.44 | snakefreak | thx |
| 10:39.47 | cr2 | kiozen: it's too 1980' to me. i think it can be done better these days. |
| 10:41.40 | kiozen | well sure, but it's like those old art deco machines from 1900, they can be done better today, too. but it's still a joy to look at them, where as todays machines look bad after a year |
| 10:42.27 | cr2 | :) |
| 10:47.57 | snakefreak | is there any fix or a idea for a fix for ba touch (because its not working correctly) |
| 11:01.29 | BabelO_ | cr2: so nice GPS receiver, it is based on motorola ;) good... i ve some old article of Ham radio |
| 11:02.47 | BabelO_ | cr2: i ve an ICOM IC706 , maybe i can do something more than packet radio / weather satellite :) |
| 11:06.18 | cr2 | BabelO_: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=368014 |
| 11:06.38 | cr2 | command timeout |
| 11:07.23 | cr2 | but the partition is detected ? |
| 11:08.58 | BabelO_ | cr2: have to try again on artemis, if it works then it is a bad driver, or another clock issue |
| 11:10.57 | BabelO_ | cr2: but it is with old 2.6.16 kernel |
| 11:11.43 | cr2 | ok. |
| 11:12.18 | goxboxlive | hi |
| 11:12.46 | BabelO_ | cr2: so all this omap850 are same :) |
| 11:13.55 | cr2 | BabelO_: the cpld is different on artemis. |
| 11:14.11 | cr2 | but all others seem to have this i2c cpld. |
| 11:19.39 | BabelO_ | cr2: i ll try to finish spi driver before ;) i boot over NFS |
| 11:22.40 | LunohoD | re |
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| 13:30.32 | cr2 | looks like kaiser |
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| 14:43.50 | kiozen | cr2: concerning these alignment errors, is there a way to get more information about them (like a backtrace)? |
| 14:44.03 | kiozen | hi Marex, exams over? |
| 14:44.17 | Marex | kiozen, just made test from math analysis |
| 14:44.27 | Marex | now only verbal part remains |
| 14:44.30 | Marex | death arises |
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| 14:45.16 | kiozen | ;) could be worse, like statistics |
| 14:48.26 | Marex | dont say that loud |
| 14:49.57 | kiozen | was no capital letter in it |
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| 15:10.29 | rakeem_ | Heloo.... |
| 15:14.08 | cr2 | kiozen: you can run it in gdb, and enable break on such signal. or it's possible to disassemble the code at that address and find out where it happens. |
| 15:14.45 | rakeem_ | Hey cr2... |
| 15:15.01 | cr2 | hi rakeem_ |
| 15:15.46 | cr2 | kiozen: btw, i'm using qgis to georeference the files, and there are some deficiences there that will make it uneasy for a beginner... |
| 15:16.30 | kiozen | let's get some stable fw first |
| 15:16.44 | kiozen | i'll do a debug build for M |
| 15:16.53 | kiozen | I read some FAQ |
| 15:16.58 | rakeem_ | With enough lib gymnastics, should I be able to run (old, not Qtopia) opie apps under gpe and vice-versa, or are they mutually exclusive? |
| 15:17.13 | kiozen | however I already tried to avoid those pitfalls |
| 15:18.01 | kiozen | debug version of M: 4.5 MB :) |
| 15:18.15 | rakeem_ | Also, did you (we?) know that the wifi on the Uni now works really nicely in Access Point (Master) mode? |
| 15:19.33 | rakeem_ | I tried to buy a host-host USB cable to try out on the Uni, but they're too weird. Even for HongKongers... Do you think I'm wasting my time? |
| 15:21.02 | rakeem_ | One more thing? What's this GPS madness you guys have been banging on about, and how do I play? |
| 15:22.12 | kiozen | rakeem_: i do a moving map application for raster (bitmap) maps |
| 15:22.33 | kiozen | and cr2, tsdogs do the same with roadmap for vector maps |
| 15:22.52 | kiozen | you need vector maps for navigation |
| 15:23.07 | kiozen | and raster maps for hiking (more detailed) |
| 15:23.37 | rakeem_ | kiozen: So I gather... Some pretty deep transform stuff you were talking about a couple of weeks back? Anything ready for me to try on the Uni or BA? (Or Tornado....?) |
| 15:23.46 | kiozen | some mapping software is a must-be-on-the-box today |
| 15:24.17 | kiozen | hm, roadmap is hard to install but works pretty nice |
| 15:24.33 | kiozen | and QLandkarteM still has no gps support :) |
| 15:25.10 | kiozen | for a nice and easy app you have to wait about half a year |
| 15:26.06 | kiozen | but you are welcome to grab the code from www.qlandkarte.org |
| 15:27.30 | cr2 | kiozen: roadmap install is hard because the .ipk rules are wrong. and because the tile indexer is weird us-specific mess, not builtin in the gui. |
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| 15:28.24 | kiozen | cr2: I know, nevertheless it's hard to install :) |
| 15:28.40 | cr2 | rakeem_: navigation is the only killer app for these pdas. imho. |
| 15:28.49 | kiozen | any chance to automate this |
| 15:28.51 | cr2 | kiozen: yes, and i want to fix it. |
| 15:28.52 | rakeem_ | kiozen: Must-have: Yeah man. I bought a bluetooth GPS mouse last year for no reason (Hong Kong is about five miles square and the world's densest concrete jungle), but I got really into the idea of that extra dynamic in software. I think I succeded in proving my suspicion that HK has the highest density of Wifi routers too... |
| 15:29.47 | kiozen | :) thus you don't need gps, you can use WIFI |
| 15:29.48 | cr2 | rakeem_: can't you go somewhere outside ? |
| 15:30.27 | cr2 | kiozen: the indexer should support the countries and utf8 too. and it should be a menu like .qmap |
| 15:31.39 | kiozen | what about doing something like garmin and put all this stuff into one blob that is read by the app? |
| 15:32.05 | cr2 | it is already. just not very user-friendly. |
| 15:32.15 | kiozen | by that you can prepare the map on the pc and send it via tcp/ip to the device |
| 15:32.43 | kiozen | ok |
| 15:32.51 | cr2 | yes, copy it to the device, and the indexer will pick the tiles together. |
| 15:33.10 | rakeem_ | cr2: There's a much bigger island called Lantau that I visit a lot, but it's the other extreme: no landmarks, little wifi and even less point, as I get the bus. Although rotating a Yagi antenna 180 towards HK is funny. |
| 15:33.12 | cr2 | the vector map needs search, and routing graph glue. |
| 15:33.15 | kiozen | but that sound simple :) |
| 15:33.53 | rakeem_ | Where the hell do open-source vector maps come from? |
| 15:33.59 | kiozen | osm |
| 15:34.06 | kiozen | openstreet map |
| 15:34.31 | cr2 | ok |
| 15:35.37 | cr2 | rakeem_: the raster maps can be bought. or scanned :) |
| 15:35.57 | rakeem_ | I need to take another look. Last time I played it was trying, unsuccessfully, to get gpsdrive to work on the Uni. I've since managed to leave the GPS mouse at my mum's in UK. |
| 15:36.07 | kiozen | but HK looks pretty bad |
| 15:36.48 | kiozen | not much enthusiasts or real bad gps reception |
| 15:37.43 | kiozen | hehe, it's the same where I live. It's a town with a medival town center. no gps in the center :) |
| 15:39.25 | rakeem_ | Asia's shite on all the western commercial apps I tried too. There's a really nice, and very detaild CE app called MapKing by MapAsia which is cheap. I tried it out in Shanghai and Manila and it was on the money. Best was when I cached a shitload of google-earth and tracked my journey from door-to-door, flying from Manila to HK. When I showed the woman next to me on the bus she didn't believe it was us. |
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| 15:41.04 | rakeem_ | What countries are you guys in? |
| 15:41.57 | kiozen | germany |
| 15:42.05 | rakeem_ | cr2: Am I mental for even contemplating a port of Beryl desktop to the Uni? |
| 15:43.44 | cr2 | rakeem_: yes. because the fb on the uni is too simple. |
| 15:44.07 | rakeem_ | kiozen: Of course you are. There's something in the water. Germany is instrinsically intermingled with the C64. Which is most of my childhood. |
| 15:44.28 | cr2 | rakeem_: it'll be much better on ati accel phones. |
| 15:45.07 | cr2 | rakeem_: i think it's just the generation that brought linux to life. |
| 15:45.09 | rakeem_ | That's what I was thinking. The Uni is ATi'd up yeah? |
| 15:45.11 | kiozen | rakeem_ my parents never allowed me to have one, I had to play with an PET 2001 |
| 15:46.57 | rakeem_ | Same man. They finally folded a few weeks after I saw an Amiga 500. (I took a while to regain my power of speech) |
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| 15:48.40 | cr2 | rakeem_: uni does not have ati. hima/ba/hermes/trinity/athena |
| 15:49.20 | rakeem_ | I was lucky, in an odd way, though to be one of an entire generation of british kids, to have the ubiquitous Acorn / BBC machines. I was the only kid in my school who got beyond Magic Mushrooms. |
| 15:49.59 | rakeem_ | The BA does, but the Uni (with 4x the pixels to chew on) doesn't?! |
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| 15:52.54 | cr2 | rakeem_: no. it even uses sdram ;) |
| 15:53.04 | cr2 | the main sdram |
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| 15:59.13 | rakeem_ | For the FB?! Perverted! |
| 15:59.57 | cr2 | hehe. |
| 16:00.04 | cr2 | pxa sram is too small for vga. |
| 16:00.20 | cr2 | in 16bit |
| 16:01.01 | cr2 | 8bit is ok, but there are no 8bit lcd panels these days. afair m$ mandated 16bit. and 64mb ram ;) |
| 16:01.54 | rakeem_ | Jesus. Perfect colour I can live without. A geriatric UI pace I can live without too... |
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| 16:04.25 | rakeem_ | A mate of mine just quit his job in Singapore as a senior marketing dude Windows Mobile Division M$ for SE Asia. The whole time he tried to blame HTC. I haven't spoken to him since the reality distortion implant was removed. |
| 16:05.04 | cr2 | :) |
| 16:05.24 | rakeem_ | The only thing Bill's ever given me is a pre-production Tornado with rarity-value HTC branding... |
| 16:05.47 | cr2 | htc is our friend. they do good hardware, and really shitty software. is wince was not bad enough by itself :) |
| 16:08.42 | rakeem_ | I couldn't believe it when I heard (from a woman trying to sell them) that they license it, minus (or is that plus) things like .net for embedded? Anyone paying money for such cack should be relieved of their cash and forced to eat whatever junk they're trying to create. |
| 16:12.16 | rakeem_ | The first time I clapped eyes on CE it was true and nothing's changed. Apple have utterly shamed them. 1/10th? of the time 1/15th? Never mind the cash. For an infinitely better product? |
| 16:12.41 | cr2 | rakeem_: unless there is another option, people will eat it. see win32. |
| 16:13.26 | cr2 | rakeem_: that's why i'd like to have the working gps programs. because it's a commodity software. |
| 16:16.11 | cr2 | without have commodity software, linux development on a pda is a waste of time. |
| 16:18.10 | rakeem_ | cr2: Yeah, sure, people are interested to see a phone running linux (right after Haret's best for impressions ;), but the killer app has yet to do what it inevitably will... With the growing variety of distros and their different approaches, the killer app for mobile linux could very well be that choice? I'm thinking girls and guys OSs not phones.... |
| 16:19.18 | rakeem_ | And in 15 years time, it'll be the ultimate in retro-chic to be seen sporting a console-only image... |
| 16:20.38 | cr2 | nobody cares about the OS when it does not crash, and there are apps for it. |
| 16:21.14 | rakeem_ | I thought you guys were pissing in the wind trying to get even the phone working. That's a huge milestone. |
| 16:22.12 | rakeem_ | cr2: That's why people like Macs. They've always been computers for people that don't like computers. |
| 16:22.55 | rakeem_ | What would you say to opensource S60? |
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| 16:27.01 | cr2 | not going to happen. |
| 16:27.15 | rakeem_ | Here's something you'll have some insight on: What other OSes are there to play with now? I've heard vaguely about Plan 9. I played with BeOS for a while. If I'm right in thinking that we're pretty much down to Linux / BSD. OSX and Win, do you think we're missing anything, or anything's been left behind? |
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| 16:48.56 | sirlobster | hello |
| 16:51.39 | rakeem_ | sirlobster: You have no idea how much resonance your nick has with me. An honour to meet you... |
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| 17:06.24 | sirlobster | rakeem_: Nice to meet you too ;) But maybe you take me for someone else... |
| 17:07.08 | rakeem_ | Hey, how do I modify the bash prompt? |
| 17:07.17 | rakeem_ | I want it to display less.... |
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| 17:09.58 | rakeem_ | Got it: PS1=">" works nicely on a tiny screen.... |
| 17:15.26 | sirlobster | Is there someone who could give me a hint how to get OpenMoko and/or Qtopia running on a Magician? |
| 17:16.27 | rakeem_ | cr2 was just here... The force is strong in that one... Meanwhile, can I help? |
| 17:16.46 | sirlobster | Sure, would be great |
| 17:16.53 | rakeem_ | Have you got a kernel booting? |
| 17:17.08 | sirlobster | No, thats the problem |
| 17:17.28 | sirlobster | The Bootloader of Moko got a kernel panic |
| 17:17.34 | rakeem_ | What are you using? Can you gimme the URL you're working from? |
| 17:17.38 | sirlobster | and Qtopia says FAIL FAIL FAIL |
| 17:17.52 | sirlobster | http://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcmagician/ |
| 17:18.47 | sirlobster | And this one; http://grigio.org/howto_openmoko_htc_magician_s100_dual_boot_wince |
| 17:19.08 | sirlobster | (The latter one boots, but doesn't work properly either) |
| 17:20.50 | rakeem_ | Openmoko isn't ready for use yet, it's still pretty young... |
| 17:21.04 | pH5 | sirlobster: you could try the openmoko images from the angstrom autobuilder |
| 17:21.30 | rakeem_ | So, after you run linload, it reboots and you get the PANIC immediately? |
| 17:21.46 | sirlobster | pH5: Yep, tried that, but theres no GSM-Support |
| 17:22.01 | sirlobster | rakeem_: Exactly |
| 17:22.47 | rakeem_ | Weird... I've not tried a magician, but I see the images are looked after by goxboxlive, and he's pretty on it... |
| 17:23.14 | rakeem_ | You in a weird part of the world? CDMA version of the device, or some other hardware variation? |
| 17:23.30 | sirlobster | The odd thing is that it says that it didn't find any bootable image or previous image |
| 17:23.31 | pH5 | sirlobster: no gsm support? |
| 17:23.34 | rakeem_ | Have you tried booting with Haret? |
| 17:23.36 | sirlobster | Weird part? Europe... |
| 17:24.26 | sirlobster | rakeem_: Yep |
| 17:25.06 | sirlobster | And the booting works fine with the angstrom, but then no gsm etc |
| 17:26.01 | rakeem_ | Ah... I think you need Haret... You can tweak boot parameters... Some SD cards / HCIs can take a second or two to come up, by which time it can give up... You can add the parameter delay=3 (seconds) to calm it down... |
| 17:26.30 | rakeem_ | Right... So some images do boot... |
| 17:26.54 | rakeem_ | Well, welcome to the world of htc-linux... |
| 17:27.03 | sirlobster | ;) |
| 17:27.19 | sirlobster | So you would also recommend the angstrom-package? |
| 17:27.23 | rakeem_ | You compiled your own kernel? |
| 17:27.42 | pH5 | sirlobster: what do you mean, no gsm? can you look at the gsmd logs? can you call libgsmd-tool --mode atcmd and talk to the modem? |
| 17:28.21 | sirlobster | rakeem_; just downloaded the files from the second link I sent to you |
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| 17:29.03 | rakeem_ | Hey ph5! You're a genius! Help me... Been trying to get GPR$ working on the Uni for ages! |
| 17:29.40 | sirlobster | pH5: It says "no modem" and when I trie to make a call it says that no GSM is available |
| 17:30.08 | sirlobster | How do I talk to the modem? |
| 17:30.11 | pH5 | sirlobster: do you have magician_phone and n_tihtc modules loaded? |
| 17:30.14 | pH5 | AT commands |
| 17:30.29 | rakeem_ | sirlobster: If you find one where all the drivers are in the right place, but the rest isn't, you can use the zImage and the modules (/lib/modules/2.6....) in another rootfs... |
| 17:30.48 | pH5 | it should work out of the box. if it doesn't it's an angstrom bug and should be fixed so the autobuilder creates working images. |
| 17:31.20 | pH5 | rakeem_: I don't know what the data channel to the qualcomm modem on the universal is. |
| 17:31.42 | pH5 | on magician you just run pppd on the second UART. |
| 17:31.59 | rakeem_ | ph5: On the Uni I'm doing: |
| 17:32.22 | rakeem_ | modprobe usbserial vendor=0x05c6 product=0x3197 |
| 17:32.32 | rakeem_ | /etc/init.d/gsmd start |
| 17:32.58 | rakeem_ | or: gsmd -s 115200 -F -p /dev/ttyS0 -d |
| 17:33.13 | rakeem_ | echo "AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","peoples.net","",0,0" > /dev/ttyS0 |
| 17:33.22 | rakeem_ | echo 'ATDT*99***1#' > /dev/ttyS0 |
| 17:33.29 | rakeem_ | pppd nodetach debug noipdefault local ipcp-accept-local novj novjccomp /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 17:33.57 | pH5 | hm. looks about correct to me. |
| 17:34.05 | pH5 | I use ATD*99# |
| 17:34.20 | rakeem_ | Does that at least make sense? The weird bit is that lsusb from boot shows a device with the appropriate Dev ID and PID... |
| 17:34.26 | pH5 | and I set AT+CGQREQ=1 and AT+CGQMIN=1 because wince firmware does the same, but that is maybe specific to the calpyso gsm chip |
| 17:34.50 | rakeem_ | ...but as soon as I send anything to /dev/ttyS0 I get |
| 17:35.24 | pH5 | rakeem_: yes, you just have to do that because the usbserial driver doesn't think 05c6/3197 is a serial device. but the usb device is there as soon as the ohci module is loaded. |
| 17:35.47 | rakeem_ | In messages: generic ttyUSB0: generic converter now disconnected from ttyUSB0 |
| 17:36.12 | pH5 | hm. from the kernel? |
| 17:36.26 | pH5 | or from pppd? |
| 17:36.34 | rakeem_ | Then if I send something else (anything it seems) to ttyS0 I get the same message but about ttyUSB1 |
| 17:37.10 | pH5 | you should ask one of the uni kernel hackers about that |
| 17:37.19 | rakeem_ | From that point there's nothing listed under lsusb and I have to reboot (I think) to get it back... |
| 17:38.20 | pH5 | rakeem_: are there no GPRS traces of uni in wince available? |
| 17:38.24 | pH5 | cr2 would know |
| 17:39.00 | rakeem_ | From the kernel yeah... Pain in the arse... Yeah, cr2 knows everything... ;) |
| 17:39.19 | rakeem_ | How do you trace GPRS under CE? Haret? |
| 17:43.00 | rakeem_ | Any idea how to reset USB totally without rebooting? |
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| 17:44.48 | pH5 | rakeem_: rmmod ohci-hcd, modprobe ohci-hcd |
| 17:45.08 | pH5 | nah, better reload the phone module |
| 17:45.28 | pH5 | power-cycling the qualcomm chip should do the trick in any case. |
| 17:47.43 | rakeem_ | Don't have any phone module, or ohci-hcd... Bringing down usbserial doesn't do anything either... |
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| 17:53.05 | pH5 | rakeem_: hm. killing gsmd should close the ttyS0 device, which should turn off the gsm chip. |
| 17:53.20 | pH5 | the phone module is compiled in, but removing/reloading it shouldn't even be needed. |
| 17:53.52 | pH5 | if the usb device vanishes and even killing/restarting gsmd doesn't help, something is still wrong with the phone kernel driver. |
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| 17:57.41 | rakeem_ | ph5: Right. Thanks, for confirming my suspicions... Time to break out gcc... |
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| 19:16.26 | kiozen | cr2 did you have time to test M? |
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| 19:58.38 | sirlobster_ | Hey its me again |
| 19:59.15 | sirlobster_ | rakeem: still online? |
| 20:11.42 | sirlobster | I installed Qtopia on a HTC Magician. It boots up, but it doesn't get connection to the modem. Any hints? |
| 20:14.40 | pH5 | sirlobster: I think goxboxlive is the only one knowledgeable about both qtopia and magician. |
| 20:15.46 | sirlobster | Ok, I'll contact him, thanks. |
| 20:16.25 | sirlobster | Are you the one who made these packages? http://www.linuxtogo.org/~ph5/magician/ |
| 20:19.07 | pH5 | yes. I wouldn't recommend you to use those though. |
| 20:21.08 | sirlobster | Why? Not up-to-date? |
| 20:22.57 | pH5 | right. october 07, openmoko was even more unstable then. |
| 20:24.10 | sirlobster | What would you recommend then? These http://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcmagician/ ? |
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| 20:26.32 | pH5 | the angstrom images. and have whatever is wrong with them fixed in angstrom/oe |
| 20:26.41 | pH5 | this is the only sustainable approach |
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| 20:31.44 | sirlobster | But the Angstrom is not OpenMoko, that right? |
| 20:31.59 | sirlobster | Sorry, I'm a little bit confused ;) |
| 20:35.10 | sirlobster | No, of course not. Sorry, stupid question |
| 20:36.09 | sirlobster | What would be the appropriate image for me? I can't find one explicit for Magician |
| 20:40.47 | pH5 | sirlobster: it is confusing alright. angstrom is a distribution - as is openmoko, which is in parts based on angstrom. both are built using openembedded. |
| 20:41.20 | pH5 | but with angstrom you can have several different images, one of them is the openmoko-image (the same list of packages that the openmoko distribution uses) |
| 20:41.43 | pH5 | just openmoko don't build packages for any other device than their neo1973 phones |
| 20:42.22 | pH5 | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/magician/ is the place where the autobuilder dumps its images |
| 20:43.39 | sirlobster | I see |
| 20:45.19 | sirlobster | But... what is the right image for me? |
| 20:45.26 | sirlobster | And how do I install them? |
| 20:45.51 | rakeem_ | Hey lobster... |
| 20:46.07 | sirlobster | hey rakeem |
| 20:46.26 | rakeem_ | I'm kind of in the same situation as you... |
| 20:46.33 | sirlobster | Really? |
| 20:47.00 | rakeem_ | So many images, even successful phone calls, but no GPRS!!!! |
| 20:47.13 | rakeem_ | ...and I know it's just 'cos I'm being dumb.... |
| 20:47.27 | sirlobster | But you have the universal, don't you? |
| 20:48.09 | rakeem_ | Yup... Should be easy right? |
| 20:48.21 | sirlobster | Don't know ;) |
| 20:48.56 | rakeem_ | I never got it working on the BA either, although I did see comms between the modem and the carrier... |
| 20:49.16 | sirlobster | pH5: Got a hint for me which image I should use? |
| 20:49.41 | rakeem_ | The Uni is the best supported, "hostile manufacturer" device I think... |
| 20:49.55 | rakeem_ | What exactly do you want to accomplish? |
| 20:50.05 | sirlobster | Ahh, just for fun |
| 20:50.20 | sirlobster | The aim is to have linux on this MDA |
| 20:50.34 | pH5 | sirlobster: both x11-image and openmoko-image have the openmoko-dialer2. the first one is a basic gpe image I think, the second has the openmoko gui. |
| 20:50.36 | sirlobster | But... no real purpose |
| 20:50.58 | rakeem_ | For instance on the Uni, most functions work on the Qtopia image (due to goxboxlive diligence), however as there's no terminal app, or web browser it's not ideal for me... |
| 20:51.02 | pH5 | the others (console/minimalist) are absolutely useless except for developers. |
| 20:52.32 | rakeem_ | I like gpe, 'cos it makes your gadget feel like a real, grown-up linux box. Running the full build of Wireshark for the first time was a triumph... |
| 20:54.06 | rakeem_ | Opie (not Qtopia) has the most usable desktop for general PDA tasks. It's the most mature UI imho, but it seems to have gone out of fashion... |
| 20:54.44 | sirlobster | pH5: but the OpenMoko-Images are also for development purposes, right? |
| 20:55.40 | rakeem_ | Openmoko is very much in development... It's less than six months old (from idea) I think... |
| 20:56.14 | sirlobster | rakeem_: What is the difference between Opie and Qtopia? I currently have an OS installed that is named O.P.I.E-II / Qtopia with kernel version 2.6.21-hh17 |
| 20:56.17 | rakeem_ | But.... HOW CAN I COPY & PASTE in a TERMINAL on GPE???!!! |
| 20:56.38 | sirlobster | pH5: How do I install them? |
| 20:57.29 | rakeem_ | I think Qtopia is the sequel... They're both the children of Trolltech. I think Opie was the default GUI shipped with the Sharp Zaurus... |
| 20:57.44 | sirlobster | k |
| 20:58.24 | sirlobster | Almost as messy as the LaTeX-World ;) |
| 20:58.26 | rakeem_ | Erm... I've never built a whole environment from scratch... |
| 21:00.55 | rakeem_ | I've had success in transplanting before though... If you download a Uni / BA image and replace /lib/modules with Mag ones, then deal with the errors as they appear using the power of Google, or pestering (which is why we're here.... ;-) |
| 21:02.00 | pH5 | sirlobster: this is how I booted my magician images: http://linuxtogo.org/~ph5/magician/README |
| 21:03.07 | pH5 | right now I'm mostly booting the kernel from usb via the bootloader and booting a minimalist console image that is stored in flash (instead of the wince extrom). but that is only 19M of flash, which is not enough for a proper gui. |
| 21:03.54 | rakeem_ | That's better than using loadlin 'cos you'll have more control over the boot process... |
| 21:04.07 | rakeem_ | Right.. |
| 21:05.25 | rakeem_ | So where do you lose the instructions? |
| 21:05.45 | sirlobster | Erm... |
| 21:06.23 | sirlobster | The kernel stays the same, right? The zImage as mentioned in pH5's readme? |
| 21:07.43 | pH5 | sirlobster: that http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/magician/zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r6-magician.bin is your kernel image |
| 21:08.00 | pH5 | you can rename it to what ever you like and adapt the string in default.txt accordingly |
| 21:08.18 | rakeem_ | You've just gotta make sure that the zImage matches what you've got under /lib/modules. The two are created as part of a single compile. Version numbers won't be sufficient, they must move in pairs. |
| 21:08.51 | pH5 | then try this http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/magician/Angstrom-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-2007.12-r3-magician.rootfs.tar.gz |
| 21:08.57 | pH5 | or this http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/magician/Angstrom-x11-image-glibc-ipk-2007.12-r3-magician.rootfs.tar.gz image |
| 21:10.12 | sirlobster | and then booting with the haret mentioned in the readme |
| 21:10.13 | rakeem_ | If you get lots of "unrecognised symbol" messages when inserting modules, you've probably got zImages and modules mixed up... |
| 21:10.52 | sirlobster | that right? |
| 21:12.43 | sirlobster | pH5: it better to use the 0.5.0 HaRET or the 0.5.1? |
| 21:13.43 | pH5 | sirlobster: no, it's just the README that is old. |
| 21:14.09 | sirlobster | ok |
| 21:14.11 | sirlobster | thanks a lot |
| 21:14.38 | sirlobster | switching to my "workingstation", will report later |
| 21:15.06 | rakeem_ | Haret rarely gives me trouble (on Uni, BA, or Tornado), but I keep a couple of versions on the FAT partition just in case... |
| 21:15.45 | rakeem_ | Good luck man... You WILL succeed.... |
| 21:28.43 | goxboxlive | rakeem: There is a terminal app fro Qtopia now. Tsdogs has made one. It's in the Qtopia git tree. In tsdogs branch or mine |
| 21:29.34 | rakeem_ | How do I pull down the git tree again? |
| 21:29.57 | rakeem_ | ...Oh hi goxboxlive, BTW.... |
| 21:31.04 | rakeem_ | ...and Tsdogs, if you're reading the logs: Nice one! Very inpressive! |
| 21:56.12 | sirlobster | and back again |
| 21:56.17 | sirlobster | it worked! :) |
| 21:56.33 | sirlobster | even gsm |
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| 22:11.04 | rakeem_ | Hey, sirlobster... Nice one! |
| 22:12.15 | paulproteus | gox!!! re: Qtopia terminal |
| 22:12.27 | paulproteus | rakeem, Instructions on the handhelds.org wiki page for Qtopia |
| 22:12.34 | paulproteus | Let me know if you read that and are still stuck. |
| 22:14.30 | rakeem_ | Cheers dude.... I'm installing git right now, but I like the little snapshot buttons on the website. It seems you can pull a big tgz'd current snapshot. Won't wanna do it every day though... |
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| 23:17.25 | `DoM` | hi all |
| 23:17.27 | `DoM` | :) |
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