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| 05:20.14 | goxboxlive | good morning |
| 05:20.58 | echowip | morning to you too |
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| 05:47.18 | rakeem | cr2? |
| 05:48.48 | rakeem | ...or goxboxlive...? I haven't been on for a couple of weeks, grieving 'cos I lost my Uni (3 weeks after replacing LCD 8'(... |
| 05:49.51 | rakeem | But I picked up a Blueangel cheap.... Any recommendations for images? |
| 05:50.31 | goxboxlive | rakeem: I think BabelO have made some for it. Check out linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa |
| 05:52.49 | rakeem | You're a star... Looking at the xda-dev forum it seems everything dried up in 2006.... |
| 06:01.19 | rakeem | What are the chances of booting a Universal rootfs (Opie?) on the Blueangel? |
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| 07:18.53 | rakeem | Is it normal for CE to be hard-reset every time I return from Linux (various kernels - Blueangel) |
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| 07:21.30 | sadeness | rakeem, wince? or window mobile 5? |
| 07:21.56 | rakeem | Currently on 2k3... Only got the device yesterday.... |
| 07:22.40 | rakeem | You suggest I upgrade to WM5 (or 6... 8-| |
| 07:27.02 | sadeness | for 2k3 that's normal behavior. |
| 07:30.58 | sadeness | 'cos wince stores all data in ram, not in flash as wm5 does. |
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| 08:54.01 | goxboxlive | rakeem: yes you can use the universal images with BA. But remeber to change the kernel zImage and modules. There are also diffrent port settings you might do in /etc/* |
| 08:57.53 | Foxdie | You know what I wish? I wish Universal was more like Zaurus, ability to backup and restore entire ROM to SD or CF card |
| 08:58.32 | Foxdie | goxboxlive, did cr2 have any luck with that later version of WM6? |
| 08:59.37 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: It is, opie-backup does the work. I also think Qtopia and gpe has this option. |
| 09:00.16 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: no, i am using a old wm6 rom my self, so we have to fiond someone with new rom that can run some tests for us. |
| 09:00.18 | Foxdie | goxboxlive: to dump flash memory of a HTC pda? |
| 09:00.32 | Foxdie | ie. windows flash storage? |
| 09:04.26 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: no, only linux rootfs |
| 09:04.51 | Foxdie | thats what I thought |
| 09:05.02 | Foxdie | I would like a utility to dump the flash zaurus-style |
| 09:05.22 | Foxdie | so that it can be made easier to play with new ROM's and not lose all my settings |
| 09:11.27 | Foxdie | Thats the only thing that scares me about flashing another ROM really |
| 09:11.53 | Foxdie | The fact that i've got to put so much effort into reinstalling all the 3rd party apps i've installed such as GPS tracking and media players |
| 09:13.41 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: isent active sync taking care of that? |
| 09:21.16 | Foxdie | I don't use it, I've found it to be very unreliable and it doesn't work across different Windows Mobile installations |
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| 10:13.49 | steve-_ | does anyone have the omap850 datasheet? |
| 10:30.52 | BabelO | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:14.34 | BabelO | hi goxboxlive |
| 11:14.42 | goxboxlive | hi BabelO |
| 11:15.34 | BabelO | goxboxlive: did you try my email ? i ve done few change now, works better, just looking for what i miss for irc ;) |
| 11:16.12 | goxboxlive | BabelO: yes i tried, but it failed compiling (the requirements) |
| 11:16.47 | BabelO | really ? do you have a pastebin ? maybe i miss something |
| 11:23.13 | goxboxlive | i'll test later again this evening |
| 11:24.50 | BabelO | goxboxlive: ok, i ll send you the new one ;) |
| 11:25.10 | BabelO | goxboxlive: did you remember if it is when tapioca compile or when telepathy ? |
| 11:26.13 | goxboxlive | the first one to compile, it failed when i did make. It was some cross compiler bug i think |
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| 11:34.46 | BabelO | goxboxlive: ok, if you want we can try this evening |
| 11:35.02 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 11:35.31 | BabelO | goxboxlive: i ve some iother prject to do for qtopia too, like a home screen weather, and also a home screen plguin to power on/off bluetooth or wifi |
| 11:36.33 | goxboxlive | cool |
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| 16:42.04 | Kevin2 | Hi cr2_. Are you around? |
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| 18:12.49 | lorenzoZzZ | hi all. may i have some help with a HP iPAQ rw6815? |
| 18:13.06 | lorenzoZzZ | i think it is a HTC Hardware |
| 18:14.10 | lorenzoZzZ | but currently i cannot boot linux on that device. it stops after the "red eyes of the tux" with Haret 3.6; not booting with haret 3.7 |
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| 18:20.43 | Kevin2 | lorenzoZzZ: Those versions of haret are really old - try the later ones. The most recent is at: http://www.handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/haret-20071122.exe |
| 18:22.11 | pH5 | lorenzoZzZ: if you have time and patience we can help you start the linux port, but I think o2 xda atom / ipaq rw6815, if that is the same device, has any support yet. |
| 18:22.13 | lorenzo_ZzZ | what image i have to boot with this version? |
| 18:22.29 | pH5 | s/think/don't think/ |
| 18:22.41 | lorenzo_ZzZ | i have patience but not so much time... :^) |
| 18:22.47 | pH5 | as everybody :) |
| 18:23.45 | lorenzo_ZzZ | what z image i boot with version 20071122 of haret? |
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| 18:27.57 | lorenzo_ZzZ | kevin2: where i find a zimage and an initrd for that version of haret? |
| 18:29.25 | Kevin2 | lorenzo_ZzZ: The zimage and initrd are tied to the device, not the version of haret. So, use whatever version you were using before. |
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| 18:30.33 | lorenzo_ZzZ | kevin2: i know but the zImage i'm using is 4 months old.... |
| 18:37.47 | Kevin2 | lorenzo_ZzZ: I don't know much about the HP iPAQ rw6815 -- if pH5 is correct, then there is quite a bit of work to be done. |
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| 18:55.54 | cr2_ | hi |
| 18:56.08 | cr2_ | Kevin2: ? |
| 18:56.25 | pH5 | hej cr2_ |
| 18:56.35 | cr2_ | pH5: have you found a cable, or should i send you the docking station ? |
| 18:57.06 | pH5 | cr2_: that would be the easiest option for me. |
| 18:57.24 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 19:01.36 | pH5 | first I was going to cut/resolder the hx4700 cable, but after realizing I'd have to open the connector I have postponed this task indefinitely. |
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| 19:28.39 | BabelO | goxboxlive: around ? want to test ? |
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| 19:55.24 | BabelO | nobody this evening :( |
| 19:56.17 | pH5 | BabelO: noooo! |
| 19:56.26 | pH5 | hi BabelO |
| 19:57.12 | BabelO | hi pH5 |
| 19:57.22 | BabelO | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.41 | pH5 | great :) |
| 20:00.30 | BabelO | pH5: looking at irq bank it seem something is wrong |
| 20:01.00 | pH5 | BabelO: that for sure would explain hangups |
| 20:01.28 | BabelO | pH5: how many irq bank do we have 6 ? |
| 20:03.19 | pH5 | BabelO: the linux kernel defines three for omap730. IH1_BASE, IH2_BASE and IH2_BASE+0x100 |
| 20:04.04 | cr2_ | BabelO: these are gpio banks. |
| 20:04.17 | BabelO | hello cr2_ :) |
| 20:04.25 | cr2_ | i guess cpld does not have irqs |
| 20:04.27 | cr2_ | hi BabelO |
| 20:05.26 | BabelO | pH5: i see some trace about IH6 with haret, i have to check withomap git then |
| 20:08.20 | BabelO | ok , no it is a wine effect ;) |
| 20:09.50 | Robot_ | hey |
| 20:10.18 | Robot_ | anyone ever tried to document the registers of the imageon w32xx chips ? |
| 20:11.04 | BabelO | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=ATIWxxxx |
| 20:11.22 | Robot_ | I mean the USB-related stuff |
| 20:11.25 | Robot_ | :) |
| 20:12.53 | Robot_ | I have found sources for the otg 243 devices on the internet |
| 20:12.54 | BabelO | Robot_: there is also this one, but no usb http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=ATIHW |
| 20:13.23 | BabelO | cr2_ know more about that |
| 20:13.33 | cr2_ | Robot_: do you have a wince device with it ? |
| 20:13.57 | Robot_ | cr2: not really, i have flashed it with linux image |
| 20:14.03 | cr2_ | Robot_: i didn't find the atiw32xx SD offset too. |
| 20:14.18 | Robot_ | but i was thinking about going back , just to find out more |
| 20:14.20 | cr2_ | Robot_: which one is it ? |
| 20:14.27 | Robot_ | hx4700 |
| 20:14.40 | Robot_ | flashed with angstrom dist. |
| 20:14.45 | cr2_ | hx4700 uses atiusb ? |
| 20:15.20 | Robot_ | yup, it has the usb in the battery compartment, I have read it on some mailing list |
| 20:15.40 | cr2_ | the only device with atiw32xx SD and usb is hitachi G1000 phone |
| 20:15.58 | Robot_ | the atihw01.txt tells me that it has the host port |
| 20:16.02 | cr2_ | Robot_: i've read that it's not really used |
| 20:16.17 | cr2_ | Robot_: it's the same on blueangel |
| 20:16.40 | cr2_ | theere is ati USB and SD section, but they are just not used. |
| 20:17.25 | cr2_ | if you are _really_ sure, you'll be able to trace the port in wince. |
| 20:17.49 | cr2_ | but i can't tell you the exact address range. |
| 20:18.00 | Robot_ | first thing would be identifying those pins on the magic connector |
| 20:18.26 | cr2_ | on atiw248x we know where is the SD. |
| 20:18.39 | cr2_ | i'm even close to make it work. |
| 20:18.48 | Robot_ | isnt it the same as on w3200 ? |
| 20:19.57 | cr2_ | there are many differences between them. so i doubt it's the same address. |
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| 20:21.25 | cr2_ | Robot_: i don't see any usb functions in ace_ddi.dll |
| 20:21.37 | Robot_ | atiusbh.dll ? |
| 20:21.51 | cr2_ | atiusbh.dll |
| 20:21.56 | cr2_ | do you have it ? |
| 20:22.02 | Robot_ | hx4700 image has it |
| 20:22.04 | cr2_ | G1000 has atiusbh.dll |
| 20:22.06 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 20:22.25 | cr2_ | i think pH5 also does not have wince on hx4700 |
| 20:22.42 | Robot_ | but tracing those dlls is not the simpiest thing to do |
| 20:22.48 | cr2_ | i guess it'll be relatively easy to find usb on the running wince. |
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| 20:23.28 | Robot_ | and how do you dump memory on runnung wince ? |
| 20:23.31 | cr2_ | disassembling them is a PITA, because they are very obfuscated, but for tracing them you only need the 'dump mmu' |
| 20:23.40 | pH5 | afaik hx4700 doesn't use ati for usb |
| 20:23.49 | cr2_ | Robot_: it's easier to do mmutrace |
| 20:23.59 | pH5 | the ati usb pins are wired to the expansion connector in the back (behind the battery) |
| 20:24.18 | cr2_ | Robot_: usbhid.dll |
| 20:24.22 | Robot_ | ph5: but it dould be great to add host to hx4700 |
| 20:24.33 | Robot_ | *would |
| 20:24.33 | cr2_ | Robot_: i don#t see atiusbh.dll |
| 20:24.52 | pH5 | Robot_: sure, but you couldn't use it without hardware modifications. |
| 20:25.18 | cr2_ | Robot_: it is realistic only if you have a dead motherboard. |
| 20:25.28 | Robot_ | ph5: like adding connector ?:) i can live with that modification, ... it's not harder that modifying your cradle |
| 20:25.42 | pH5 | :) ok |
| 20:25.55 | Robot_ | cr2: those connectors can be bought for about 1$ here where i live :) |
| 20:26.24 | cr2_ | Robot_: but are the connectors connected ? it#s not about money. |
| 20:26.45 | cr2_ | something like that will be nice :) http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_JTAG |
| 20:26.56 | smev | hmm my htc tytn2 is stuck in roaming mode |
| 20:28.00 | Robot_ | cr2 im not willing to sacrifice my pda for that :) |
| 20:28.28 | pH5 | hm. I've still not found a sufficiently cheap magician to do exactly that with it. |
| 20:29.59 | Robot_ | ph5 all you need is a electric cooker :) heat up the cooker till it's red and then lay the pda for few seconds ... |
| 20:30.24 | Robot_ | ph5 then just bang the board against table and everything comes off easily :) |
| 20:33.57 | Robot_ | is it possible to save the linux image with the htc bootloader , the same way as i did wince ? |
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| 20:37.44 | cr2_ | Robot_: i think so. pH5 should know the details |
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| 20:39.41 | Kevin2 | Hi cr2_ |
| 20:39.44 | pH5 | Robot_: yup, you can use s2d just the same, as it just backs up everything except the first 256k |
| 20:40.13 | Kevin2 | I wanted to know if you got my email on moving kernel development to linuxtogo.org? |
| 20:40.48 | pH5 | Robot_: or you git clone http://linuxtogo.org/~ph5/htc-tools/.git and try to download over USB |
| 20:41.12 | cr2_ | Kevin2: my e-mail is completely messed up after i've done a full linux reinstall. |
| 20:41.30 | cr2_ | Kevin2: do you want to create a new repository ? |
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| 20:42.30 | Kevin2 | cr2_: I've had a conversation with florian from linuxtogo. I've created a new project and got confirmation that git and git-web are available. I suspect we'll be ready in the next few days. |
| 20:43.46 | cr2_ | Kevin2: ok, i vote with both hands for having a compatible .24 kernel |
| 20:51.59 | BabelO | cr2_: .24 or 2.4 ? lol |
| 20:54.21 | Robot_ | ph5: do i really need the first 256k ? that is the htc bootloader, isn't it ? |
| 20:54.53 | pH5 | Robot_: yes, and no, you don't need it because you most likely don't want to overwrite that part. |
| 20:55.10 | pH5 | (and if you do your backup doesn't help anyway unless you have jtag) |
| 20:55.42 | pH5 | Robot_: sorry. that should have been no and yes, in that order. |
| 20:56.31 | cr2_ | pH5: is the jtag pinout known for hx4700 ? |
| 20:56.47 | Robot_ | ph5: s2d should not overwrite it, or ? :) |
| 20:57.02 | Robot_ | cr2: hh.org has them in the wifi |
| 20:57.08 | Robot_ | wiki |
| 21:03.44 | cr2_ | i'm looking at the rp-2.6.23 patches |
| 21:04.19 | cr2_ | corgi-bl is finally away. |
| 21:04.23 | cr2_ | +struct generic_bl_info { |
| 21:08.46 | BabelO | cr2_: what about acx ? maybe time to try others support than wep only |
| 21:11.11 | cr2_ | BabelO: the acx code was already rewritten once, but it's still of very questionable quality. |
| 21:12.01 | BabelO | cr2_: i just ask because rmoravcik have sucessfully tested other patch |
| 21:12.41 | cr2_ | which one ? |
| 21:13.18 | BabelO | cr2_: i think one compatible with wpa, but not sure |
| 21:13.27 | BabelO | rmoravcik: around ? |
| 21:13.35 | cr2_ | is this patch available somewhere ? |
| 21:14.12 | BabelO | cr2_: i think yes, let me look for mail :) |
| 21:14.19 | Robot_ | cr2: i think it is the acx for mac80211 |
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| 21:21.22 | BabelO | cr2_: ok i got the mail ;) |
| 21:23.06 | BabelO | cr2_: http://pastebin.ca/804885 |
| 21:24.10 | cr2_ | The requested URL /pub/linux/kernel/people/linville/wireless-2.6/tiacx/ was not found on this server. |
| 21:26.07 | BabelO | cr2_: inurl:"tiacx" :) |
| 21:26.09 | BabelO | cr2_: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/linville/wireless-legacy/tiacx/ |
| 21:27.05 | cr2_ | ok, are the slavemem things included there ? |
| 21:31.35 | BabelO | cr2_: it seem only pci, but we can do it again, code is very close |
| 21:32.49 | Robot_ | ph5: what is the command to flash from sdcard to internal flash on the htc-bootloader ? |
| 21:36.47 | pH5 | Robot_ there is none. |
| 21:36.54 | pH5 | if you put in an sd card that you created with the htc bootloader d2s (or was it s2d?) command, it should recognize it automatically as soon as the htc bootloader is started |
| 21:37.24 | Robot_ | ph5: great :) thanks :) |
| 21:40.30 | Robot_ | ph5: and how to get rid of the sdg bootloader ? it comes up with the "sd download" screen |
| 21:42.06 | pH5 | Robot_: different key combination |
| 21:42.20 | pH5 | I think htc bootloader is contacts + itask button |
| 21:43.58 | Robot_ | ph5: oh, i had the right combo :) Im just lame :D |
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| 22:28.52 | x_bruno | cr2_: |
| 22:29.32 | x_bruno | cr2_: dcordes was saying something about the kernel being compiled, and done, just no graphical driver |
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| 22:35.53 | Pryan2 | hello. somebody ? |
| 22:36.22 | x_bruno | onebody here |
| 22:36.22 | Pryan2 | i want to install linux on a HTC Advantage x7500 |
| 22:37.16 | x_bruno | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary |
| 22:38.35 | x_bruno | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=AthenaResearch |
| 22:43.37 | Pryan2 | it says its supported, boot with haret |
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| 22:44.28 | dcordes | hi chan |
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| 22:45.32 | dcordes | x_bruno, hi there. yes we can compile, boot but have no kind of interaction because there are no display drivers |
| 22:45.34 | cr2_ | Pryan2: are you a crazy hacker ? |
| 22:45.47 | x_bruno | dcordes: hi |
| 22:46.16 | dcordes | help, crazy hackers! |
| 22:46.21 | cr2_ | Pryan2: if not, then you should wait a bit. |
| 22:46.22 | x_bruno | dcordes: isn't the the vram address where the device offloads whatever is there automatically? |
| 22:46.26 | dcordes | x_bruno, do you also want to build? |
| 22:46.32 | x_bruno | oh yeah |
| 22:46.38 | dcordes | cool |
| 22:46.46 | dcordes | do you have an arm toolchain? |
| 22:46.48 | x_bruno | let me get git first |
| 22:46.49 | rakeem | Hey cr2, I was hoping I'd bump into you... Can I pick your brain? |
| 22:46.52 | x_bruno | i have crosstool |
| 22:47.03 | dcordes | ok git is required |
| 22:47.04 | Pryan2 | cr2 ok |
| 22:47.04 | cr2_ | rakeem: sure :) |
| 22:47.37 | cr2_ | Pryan2: it's very promising, but i need some time to bring it to a usable state. |
| 22:48.08 | Pryan2 | what is the state of the proyect ? |
| 22:48.15 | cr2_ | Pryan2: i booted qtopia from the USB stick, touchscreen works, i think BT and GPS will work too. |
| 22:48.42 | Pryan2 | ok |
| 22:49.05 | cr2_ | wifi is a not very well researched area, but it's sdio acx100. |
| 22:49.16 | Pryan2 | i have sent a mail to montavista to know more about mobilinux |
| 22:49.31 | Pryan2 | but i have no response |
| 22:49.32 | rakeem | Cheers... I lost my UNI (left a dinner), and have got my hands on a Blueangel. How far away am I from where I was with the Uni? A rough measure of my skill level would be that it takes me about two days to build anything for these little beasts... |
| 22:49.43 | cr2_ | ATI miniSD will work soon, at least in the standard mode. |
| 22:49.57 | x_bruno | dcordes: got git |
| 22:50.04 | dcordes | x_bruno, already cloned? |
| 22:50.13 | dcordes | git clone git://git.android.com/linux-msm |
| 22:50.17 | rakeem | What device are you's talking about? |
| 22:50.22 | cr2_ | Pryan2: i'm only concerned about the kernel drivers, what you will run in the userspace is not very important. |
| 22:50.45 | cr2_ | Pryan2: and montavista will not provide you any athena-related drivers anyway. |
| 22:50.50 | Pryan2 | do you code the drivers ? |
| 22:50.51 | dcordes | x_bruno, you working from pocketputty :D ? |
| 22:51.24 | x_bruno | dcordes: not yet, but I was using it on the train, but sadly the haret version I have seems limited |
| 22:51.28 | x_bruno | no gpio |
| 22:51.46 | cr2_ | Pryan2: yes, it seems i'm the only one who does something on the athena. but i'm happy to reuse some bits from other htc phones. |
| 22:52.02 | dcordes | x_bruno, what do you mean, no gpio? |
| 22:52.14 | Pryan2 | ahm. great. |
| 22:52.22 | rakeem | What's the most supported handheld so far? Including commercial units like the Zaurus? |
| 22:52.51 | x_bruno | dcordes: there where no gpio commands |
| 22:53.25 | cr2_ | rakeem: zaurus can't be compared to the phones. |
| 22:53.25 | dcordes | rakeem, the zaurus |
| 22:53.54 | dcordes | cr2_, isn't universal best supported phone? |
| 22:53.57 | x_bruno | I am starting to hate debian apt-get |
| 22:54.03 | paulproteus | x_bruno, Ouch! |
| 22:54.05 | cr2_ | well, a780 and greenphone are also commercial |
| 22:54.05 | rakeem | Thought so, but am I right in thinking the Uni os best so far? |
| 22:54.12 | Pryan2 | cr2 do you have a Athena ? |
| 22:54.20 | cr2_ | dcordes: yes, i think universal is the best supported phone |
| 22:54.23 | cr2_ | Pryan2: yes. |
| 22:54.52 | Kevin2 | x_bruno: In later versions of haret one uses the command "watch" - as in "watch gpios 1". |
| 22:55.05 | rakeem | It's got the best keyboard too... And a clear, if tiny, text mode... |
| 22:55.12 | x_bruno | paulproteus: don't even get me started in using proteus with wine |
| 22:55.19 | Pryan2 | ok, hehe, i'm ansious to put linux on my phone |
| 22:55.55 | Pryan2 | the distribution is familiar or is debian ? |
| 22:56.08 | paulproteus | Wow, HTC Universal also has a VGA screen! |
| 22:56.09 | rakeem | This BA seems quite similar, are there any major differences I should be aware of? |
| 22:56.12 | x_bruno | paulproteus: electronics simulation tool with support for developing programs for certain processors like the pic |
| 22:56.24 | paulproteus | x_bruno, I'll leave you and your hates alone then. (-: |
| 22:56.38 | cr2_ | paulproteus: universal has the best vga screen i know. |
| 22:56.42 | rakeem | Proteus simulates CPUs now?! Wow. |
| 22:57.02 | x_bruno | yes, several cpus with source code debugging |
| 22:57.03 | cr2_ | openmoko does not count, because it#s insane to have 2.8" vga. |
| 22:57.11 | paulproteus | Heh heh. |
| 22:57.23 | paulproteus | The snicker I got out of that "it's insane to" earned a glance from a co-worker.... |
| 22:58.14 | rakeem | Arrrgh.... I just replaced my Uni screen a few weeks ago... Got another one in bits in a carrier bag behind me though... |
| 22:58.23 | cr2_ | rakeem: BA is gsm, and there are some minor bugs here and there. |
| 22:58.36 | x_bruno | dcordes: |
| 22:58.43 | paulproteus | Wow, and to think I bought a Magician for some reason.... (-: |
| 22:58.57 | dcordes | x_bruno, ? |
| 22:59.03 | x_bruno | dcordes: cloning repository now |
| 22:59.07 | Pryan2 | cr2_ is the linux you install familiar or debian or any other distro |
| 22:59.08 | dcordes | great |
| 22:59.17 | dcordes | x_bruno, I will pass you the current diff head |
| 22:59.25 | rakeem | Yeah, I can say I've really missed the Uni screen beside the BA except for watching boot text... |
| 22:59.30 | cr2_ | Pryan2: it's angstrom |
| 22:59.45 | x_bruno | dcordes: the gpio stuff was my lameness, was looking at old haret help documents |
| 22:59.47 | Pryan2 | ah ok |
| 22:59.58 | rakeem | It's even stupider on the Tornado's QVGA 1.5" screen... |
| 23:00.08 | Pryan2 | what packages sistem it has ? |
| 23:00.10 | cr2_ | Pryan2: familiar == ipaq, and it's dead. |
| 23:00.16 | cr2_ | .ipk |
| 23:00.39 | dcordes | x_bruno, don't expect too much from me: I do not have any knowledge about programming and even less about low level thing |
| 23:01.01 | rakeem | Is the BA wifi the same as the Uni? I know it's ACX100, but there's some variation there.... |
| 23:01.08 | x_bruno | dcordes: no problems, I am not that keen into linux so far as well |
| 23:01.10 | dcordes | now I'm just a person that wants linux on his kaiser |
| 23:01.22 | Pryan2 | today i try to load the familiar's bootloader, but i cant |
| 23:01.27 | dcordes | but you have some low level system knowledge right? |
| 23:01.41 | x_bruno | I did a text engine plus other graphical stuff for the gameboy advance |
| 23:01.55 | x_bruno | and I know my way around internals, if I have addresses to write to |
| 23:02.00 | cr2_ | Pryan2: you should use haret. actually i always compile zimage into haret. |
| 23:02.04 | dcordes | x_bruno, that sounds good |
| 23:02.16 | Pryan2 | ok |
| 23:02.36 | dcordes | x_bruno, did you read my blob about bootloader/display driver I dropped you yesterday? |
| 23:02.39 | cr2_ | Pryan2: i've connected the USB stick to the USB hub, so i boot and can login from the USB keyboard. |
| 23:02.42 | x_bruno | yes |
| 23:02.54 | rakeem | I'm using this as a lesson in subsurface warfare... |
| 23:02.56 | dcordes | x_bruno, ok so what we need is a display driver |
| 23:03.08 | dcordes | x_bruno, because the kaiser has no "standard framebuffer" |
| 23:03.12 | x_bruno | the display driver, we have the vram address, i saw it some where |
| 23:03.38 | Pryan2 | so you have the wire that gives you a USB HUB |
| 23:03.39 | dcordes | with the help of pH5 I tried to include vsfb (very simple framebuffer) which does not work on kaiser |
| 23:03.58 | cr2_ | Pryan2: it'll be possible to use dvb-t too i guess |
| 23:03.58 | dcordes | cr2_, where do you put the kaiser display stuff we researched? |
| 23:04.23 | x_bruno | I just need to know how to poke with haret to know what type of info does it write |
| 23:04.38 | Pryan2 | what is dvb-t ? |
| 23:04.54 | cr2_ | Pryan2: digital TV |
| 23:05.15 | dcordes | Pryan2, terrestrial with antenna |
| 23:05.19 | dcordes | cr2_, usb 1.1? |
| 23:05.36 | Pryan2 | ok |
| 23:05.37 | cr2_ | yes, pxa270 only has 1.1 |
| 23:05.55 | Pryan2 | yes |
| 23:06.29 | dcordes | cr2_, I thought about dvb-t on my akita, before zecke from #OE told me in theroy that would work with usb 1.1 but practically it would be too slow |
| 23:06.41 | cr2_ | lol, i guess wince doods can't beat _that_ :) |
| 23:06.43 | rakeem | Just looked up "Kaiser"... It would be a step up from the Uni... What's the secrecy level in comparison? |
| 23:07.10 | rakeem | Hehe... |
| 23:07.19 | dcordes | cr2_, everything needed is in OE I think |
| 23:07.25 | pH5 | dcordes: I've used dvb-t on a laptop with usb 1.1. if at all, the problem is a too slow cpu. |
| 23:07.26 | cr2_ | dcordes: my stick works ok in 2.0 mode, but was pretty bad in 1.1 mode |
| 23:08.00 | cr2_ | pH5: i hope it'll be possible to drop half of the lines. |
| 23:08.04 | rakeem | Also, what's the deal with USB host mode on the Uni? Does it support peripherals if you power them? |
| 23:08.09 | dcordes | pH5, hm I should just go ahead and try it out on the zaurus. What kind of cpu does that laptop have? |
| 23:08.17 | cr2_ | rakeem: nobody know. |
| 23:08.34 | dcordes | cr2_, never tried powered usb hub on universal? |
| 23:08.37 | pH5 | 2GHz P4, so only marginally slower than a PXA270 ;) |
| 23:08.43 | pH5 | s/slower/faster/ |
| 23:08.46 | dcordes | pH5, lol |
| 23:08.50 | x_bruno | dcordes: we got 65 k of colors, right? so it is 16 bit, do you know the size of the vram? |
| 23:08.55 | cr2_ | dcordes: what stick do you have ? |
| 23:09.04 | dcordes | cr2_, errr aver media |
| 23:09.35 | cr2_ | x_bruno: there is no vram on kaiser it seems. at least wince points to sdram. |
| 23:09.40 | dcordes | cr2_, 14aa:0221 AVerMedia (again) or C&E |
| 23:09.44 | cr2_ | dcordes: supported by linux ? |
| 23:09.49 | dcordes | of course |
| 23:09.52 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 23:09.52 | dcordes | perfectly |
| 23:10.10 | x_bruno | cr2_: have you tried writing a pixel? |
| 23:10.16 | dcordes | cr2_, it uses WideView WT-220U PenType Receiver |
| 23:10.17 | rakeem | It's more the weird gender-bending that would be required on the connector. I haven't checked the current path and was scared.... |
| 23:10.27 | dcordes | cr2_, which usees dvb-usb-wt220u-02.fw |
| 23:10.59 | cr2_ | dcordes: ok, i have lite-on aka toshiba. if i'll make it work, the gez goons will be after me :) |
| 23:11.25 | dcordes | haha. they spam my mailbox every week |
| 23:11.46 | cr2_ | i don't have a TV. |
| 23:11.46 | dcordes | but unfortunately I have nothing for them |
| 23:11.56 | Pryan2 | well people, we will be in contact, i will enter here other day |
| 23:12.08 | dcordes | Pryan2, bye |
| 23:12.12 | Pryan2 | see ya |
| 23:12.19 | rakeem | Good luck with the port man.... |
| 23:12.38 | Pryan2 | i will read the docs |
| 23:12.54 | dcordes | cr2_, did you save the kaiser display research things anywhere? |
| 23:13.01 | Pryan2 | and help cr2 with the testing |
| 23:13.12 | cr2_ | dcordes: no, because i'm a bit confused. |
| 23:13.13 | rakeem | Jesus, I'm still pretty awed at you guys for your sheer *bravery*... |
| 23:13.50 | cr2_ | rakeem: bravery was some time ago. now it#s just experience :) |
| 23:14.14 | rakeem | You mind if I ask how long you've been at it? |
| 23:14.30 | rakeem | [Deep geekery, I mean] |
| 23:14.35 | cr2_ | at what ? htc phones ? |
| 23:14.54 | dcordes | cr2_, oh no I thought you would put it somewhere. I didn't really realize what the value was we got that day. So I was naively assuming you put it into the wiki |
| 23:14.56 | cr2_ | 2 years. |
| 23:15.33 | rakeem | Erm.... When did you first get down to assembly level? |
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| 23:16.02 | cr2_ | dcordes: i've put the android register layout into wiki. but it's not clear how it applies to kaiser |
| 23:16.40 | cr2_ | rakeem: on an arm cpu ? i had jornada820 in 2000. still have it actually. |
| 23:17.03 | Pryan|oFF | sorry for the nick change. bye, i will sleep |
| 23:18.10 | rakeem | Is htc hacking how you learned or were you rolling your own 6502 boxes with Woz? |
| 23:18.17 | x_bruno | git is using 94% of my system |
| 23:18.37 | rakeem | Yum does that with me sometimes... |
| 23:18.56 | x_bruno | what happen to the old days when you could say linux runs on my old pentium 2 |
| 23:18.59 | dcordes | cr2_, isn't the kaiser display thing I was refering to here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TitanMemoryMap ? |
| 23:19.22 | dcordes | x_bruno, I used pentium III 500 for 2 months this summer |
| 23:19.45 | x_bruno | I used it for a year working for virgin |
| 23:19.48 | dcordes | it ran but it was slow ass. I was building images for my zaurus with ti ^^ |
| 23:20.00 | cr2_ | rakeem: i learned how to do pdp-11 asm in 1986. or maybe a bit earlier, i don't remeber now ;-) |
| 23:20.49 | cr2_ | dcordes: kaiser LCD is different from titan LCD. both the panel, and how it uses RAM. |
| 23:20.50 | x_bruno | dcordes: is it the same memory map_ |
| 23:20.58 | rakeem | I remember the first time I actually contemplated what a driver is: Waiting for one dude to slowly piece a working Voodoo Banshee on my PII... Contemplation's as far as I've got. |
| 23:21.19 | dcordes | cr2_, arrr so that research is gone (the thing where I had to touch the screen and you were doing calculations afterwards) |
| 23:21.47 | cr2_ | rakeem: yes, i used to play games on apple][ too :) |
| 23:21.50 | dcordes | x_bruno, I think there are many parallels between the tww, at least that's what I was told by cr2_ |
| 23:22.07 | rakeem | [cr2] Indeed, the force is strong in you sir... |
| 23:22.08 | Robot_ | does anyone know how to create PAN between linux desktop and PocketPC ?:) |
| 23:22.11 | x_bruno | I will look at the source of git |
| 23:22.41 | cr2_ | dcordes: it was about I2C touchscreen ? |
| 23:22.57 | dcordes | ah yes I think so! |
| 23:22.58 | x_bruno | dcordes: did you read something about the ati imageon features in msm7200? |
| 23:23.06 | dcordes | x_bruno, did you notice <cr2_> dcordes: i've put the android register layout into wiki. but it's not clear how it applies to kaiser ? |
| 23:23.15 | dcordes | x_bruno, not really |
| 23:23.41 | x_bruno | yes |
| 23:23.43 | cr2_ | dcordes: i think the only useful data was that the lower pins are grounded, so the I2C address is known, and the TSC2003 linux driver is already available. |
| 23:23.50 | x_bruno | I also looked at it |
| 23:24.01 | rakeem | Is blueetooth 2 a different hardware spec? |
| 23:24.03 | x_bruno | the tsc2003 is it the modem driver_ |
| 23:24.23 | x_bruno | ah, touch screen |
| 23:24.31 | dcordes | ^^ yes |
| 23:24.46 | cr2_ | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_MDP |
| 23:24.51 | x_bruno | cr2_: did you take the beast appart and note the chip list? |
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| 23:25.01 | dcordes | cr2_, what is that? |
| 23:25.12 | cr2_ | x_bruno: i have only pxa and s3c2442 phones. |
| 23:25.25 | cr2_ | no omap and msm |
| 23:25.35 | dcordes | x_bruno, https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=812152&native_or_pdf=pdf |
| 23:25.39 | cr2_ | dcordes: the android LCD registers |
| 23:26.14 | dcordes | cr2_, why is it named kaiser something? |
| 23:26.37 | cr2_ | everything useful on kaiser is on the cpu |
| 23:26.40 | dcordes | x_bruno, https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=791306&native_or_pdf=pdf |
| 23:27.01 | dcordes | cr2_, so there's no real difference between 7200 and 7200A? |
| 23:27.22 | x_bruno | dcordes: supposively hsupa differences |
| 23:27.47 | rakeem | I detect the hand of a westerner in htc... I live in China. You don't get such lingustics without one. |
| 23:28.04 | cr2_ | the CPLD is visible. |
| 23:28.27 | cr2_ | what is this samsung chip ? |
| 23:28.42 | x_bruno | dcordes: got the android git |
| 23:28.44 | cr2_ | flash ? |
| 23:29.52 | x_bruno | samsung_k9k2g08 NAND flash Datasheet |
| 23:30.26 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 23:30.42 | cr2_ | android has the NAND driver. |
| 23:31.38 | cr2_ | rakeem: BA works with the brf6150 firmware. to my surprise |
| 23:32.00 | dcordes | cr2_, is display driver really what we want right now? |
| 23:32.25 | cr2_ | kaiser uses brf6300. 4Mbit over weird "secure" DMA. |
| 23:32.35 | dcordes | cr2_, I wonder if I can really boot when I display the fb in haret. Kevin2 told me with set fbduringboot 0 it would work |
| 23:32.40 | dcordes | but I have no sort of resonance.. |
| 23:32.56 | cr2_ | dcordes: yes, the panel-dependent MDDI init is mandatory. |
| 23:33.39 | cr2_ | dcordes: i don't quite understand that there is no framebuffer ram. |
| 23:34.03 | cr2_ | the MDDI is a packet interface, but the packets need to be stored somewhere. |
| 23:34.26 | cr2_ | it's certainly the first megabyte of SDRAM at 0x10000000(phys) |
| 23:34.45 | cr2_ | on kaiser |
| 23:35.02 | cr2_ | on titan it's in the SRAM, see wiki. |
| 23:35.35 | x_bruno | mddi is only to map the camera interface directly to the screen |
| 23:35.54 | x_bruno | *camera data |
| 23:35.56 | cr2_ | the kaiser SPL certainly does not have any badass 3D driver inside, so it should work somehow. |
| 23:36.13 | dcordes | what was SPL? |
| 23:36.29 | cr2_ | x_bruno: it's another MDDI channel |
| 23:36.32 | rakeem | What's brf6xxx? |
| 23:36.59 | dcordes | x_bruno, pass me your email again so I can send you the diff? |
| 23:37.02 | cr2_ | x_bruno: there are 4 SD ports on msm7x00, 1 is used for the SD, another one for wifi. |
| 23:37.10 | dcordes | querry |
| 23:37.12 | cr2_ | rakeem: bluetooth |
| 23:37.56 | cr2_ | swetland said that they plan an SD driver, but who knows when... |
| 23:37.57 | x_bruno | dcordes: bruce_loco@hotmail.com |
| 23:38.18 | cr2_ | hehe. and if it will be free software ;) |
| 23:38.22 | dcordes | lol hotmail |
| 23:39.16 | x_bruno | ok, ok |
| 23:39.25 | x_bruno | bruce_loco@yahoo.com |
| 23:39.32 | x_bruno | I have two |
| 23:39.49 | dcordes | cr2_, so when we /they have msm7x00 sd(io) driver, SD card and wifi will be no problem? do you know the wifi chipset by chance? arx1000? |
| 23:39.53 | rakeem | Any theories as to why these guys are so meticulously, uniformly silent? |
| 23:39.55 | dcordes | heh |
| 23:40.06 | x_bruno | cr2_: http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/Feb2006/2684.htm |
| 23:40.32 | x_bruno | dcordes: take a peak too |
| 23:40.45 | cr2_ | dcordes: wifi is acx100, with the sdio interface. as on all other 54mbit htc phones. |
| 23:41.21 | dcordes | thought so |
| 23:41.31 | dcordes | good to hear google makes sd |
| 23:41.54 | cr2_ | x_bruno: it's just some marketing fluff. the best thing you can do is to dump the SPL from SRAM, and disassemble it. |
| 23:42.32 | dcordes | does "git-diff HEAD" diff the whole tree since I cloned? |
| 23:42.38 | cr2_ | i've actually done it. but my brain is already overloaded. |
| 23:43.19 | x_bruno | cr2_: dissassemble it? did you note it down somewhere |
| 23:44.40 | cr2_ | you can use the disassemble.py script of pH5 or IDA (if oyu have it) |
| 23:44.53 | x_bruno | cr2_: it is an epson chip after all |
| 23:45.22 | cr2_ | x_bruno: where ? |
| 23:45.37 | cr2_ | in the LCD ? |
| 23:45.41 | rakeem | Epson? |
| 23:45.56 | cr2_ | rakeem: which guys ? htc ? |
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| 23:47.06 | x_bruno | yes |
| 23:47.11 | x_bruno | epson S1D13751 |
| 23:47.32 | cr2_ | x_bruno: the datasheet available ? |
| 23:48.24 | x_bruno | searching for it |
| 23:49.06 | rakeem | TI, HTC, ATi, Qualcomm, Broadcom etc... A guru friend reckons that these days a datasheet amounts to the recipe behind it, and they wanna keep their silicon lego hidden. He went on to say that he's seen guys in china planing ICs down a few molecules at a time to rip-off designs, so why bother? |
| 23:49.50 | x_bruno | http://www.epson.co.jp/e/newsroom/img/2005/corporate_050202_attach.jpg |
| 23:50.19 | Kevin2 | cr2_: The Kaiser does appear to use the top of ram as a framebuffer. However, just modifying that ram doesn't cause the screen to update. Wince is unmapping the frame buffer to catch reads/writes to that memory. When a write does happen, it must be "packaging" it up some way and then sending it to the screen. |
| 23:50.28 | dcordes | x_bruno, you got mail |
| 23:51.42 | rakeem | Some kind of compression to save on bus bandwidth? |
| 23:51.43 | x_bruno | merci dcores |
| 23:52.42 | cr2_ | Kevin2: ok, but it should not be _very_ difficult to setup the FB. the SPL does not have ace_ddi.dll or somehting like that embedded. |
| 23:53.56 | dcordes | x_bruno, did you see the fcc kaiser internals pdf links I sent? |
| 23:54.30 | x_bruno | yes |
| 23:55.42 | x_bruno | but it is a bit fuzzy |
| 23:56.22 | dcordes | unfortunately, yes. But some descriptions are readable on the chips |
| 23:57.14 | x_bruno | got it |
| 23:57.28 | dcordes | I hope I will find another source with higher resolution photos |
| 23:58.11 | x_bruno | dcordes: it is called balls to open the phone and void its warranty ;-) |
| 23:58.23 | x_bruno | I don't have them yet |
| 23:58.49 | dcordes | sorry but I won't open my kaiser |
| 23:59.11 | dcordes | x_bruno, do you think it would be any useful to poke fcc for higher resolution imagesß |
| 23:59.52 | x_bruno | I really don't see them giving it up |
