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| 07:11.22 | paulproteus | Are there any of these that work? And are these generally GSM-based? |
| 07:11.29 | paulproteus | And have you guys tried porting Qtopia now that it's GPLware? |
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| 07:39.50 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: yes Qtopia is running on the htc devices, but for noe only HTC Universal has phone support |
| 07:40.11 | Cyorxamp | goxboxlive: However no camera support... am I right? |
| 07:40.48 | goxboxlive | Cyorxamp: yes, we havent made any driver for it yet. i want it too, but i have no dea how to make one :-) |
| 07:41.04 | Cyorxamp | I take it thats both cameras then? |
| 07:41.18 | paulproteus | I am extremely excited by this. (-: |
| 07:41.38 | paulproteus | It seems that the OpenMoko software stack is also being ported. This is great stuff. |
| 07:41.53 | Cyorxamp | Also theres no tick in 'Flash memory' but no notes either - does that mean SD cards can't be read?! |
| 07:41.54 | goxboxlive | Cyorxamp: yes no cam support, but i dont think the little cam will ever be supported. |
| 07:42.20 | paulproteus | It seems that if I want an HTC + Linux that dials and charges, it's only the Universal for me. Is that right? |
| 07:42.22 | Cyorxamp | paulproteus: Is Maemo a possibility too? |
| 07:42.26 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: yes we also have Openmoko running. I have made some images if you want to test them. |
| 07:43.01 | paulproteus | Cyorxamp, I don't understand your question. FWIW I'm new here. |
| 07:43.07 | paulproteus | Maemo doesn't have a GSM dialer, I thought. |
| 07:43.12 | Cyorxamp | True |
| 07:43.41 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, I'd be happy to, I just need to buy a phone first and want to make sure that I buy something that I can actually run Linux on (pref. OpenMoko) and charge and dial. |
| 07:43.59 | paulproteus | (Preferably with a keyboard, and preferably with wifi, but I'll take what I can get for now.) |
| 07:44.02 | Cyorxamp | I don't really want a GSM capable device... just a W-CDMA (3G UMTS) one |
| 07:44.13 | Cyorxamp | And obviously a flavour of linux |
| 07:44.25 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: No, actually. The Universal has been freezed some how, and it seems like it's not beeing developed on so much at the moment. So i would rather go for a Magician (trhough we miss phoen support in Qtopia, but we are close) or a FICphone (GTA02). |
| 07:44.52 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, The FIC phones have a weird hardware bug regarding them dying after a while if the battery goes low. |
| 07:45.09 | paulproteus | (I have one.) "dying" means they must be off for ca. 10h, which is really a major drag. |
| 07:45.22 | goxboxlive | I dont think that Universal can be used as a daily phone with linux running on it (probably cr2 will shoot me now for saying this). It drains battery. |
| 07:45.29 | paulproteus | How much battery? |
| 07:45.45 | paulproteus | Er, meaning, it stays on less than one full day? |
| 07:46.07 | paulproteus | "full day" =approx= 8-16h |
| 07:46.18 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, And I appreciate your candor! (-: |
| 07:46.29 | paulproteus | Is the Magician better at this? |
| 07:48.05 | Cyorxamp | OK, real important question for me... I want a CDMA capable PDA running Linux however I'm prepared to wait for the finished Wi-Fi edition of the GTA02 next year... is it possible to some how remove or have an alternative (or any other methods) to get rid of the 'e' internet explorer key on a Universal? |
| 07:52.04 | paulproteus | Cyorxamp, I though the FIC phones weren't going to do CDMA. |
| 07:52.20 | Cyorxamp | I was told in thier channel next year they would |
| 07:52.25 | paulproteus | Oh, interesting! |
| 07:52.26 | Cyorxamp | *their |
| 07:52.39 | Cyorxamp | It'll be a second edition of the one they are releasing this xmas I beleive |
| 07:53.32 | Cyorxamp | I don't really want to use GSM, I don't mind paying £25 a month for a 3gb of use on CDMA and then just using VOIP - much simpler |
| 07:53.43 | paulproteus | (goxboxlive, not to bother you too much, but ping if possible) |
| 07:58.40 | goxboxlive | the battery on universal last for a 3-4 hours with the phone running. We dont have suspend resume working with the phoine. It also drains while it suspends, dont know why. |
| 07:58.52 | goxboxlive | The drawback for buying a magicianis: |
| 07:59.02 | goxboxlive | that it lacks wifi, vga screen and keybaord |
| 07:59.41 | goxboxlive | But at least its stays for a day with the phone running openmoko. It also resume on incomming calls. |
| 07:59.41 | paulproteus | What's battery life like? |
| 07:59.50 | paulproteus | Well, that sounds awesome. |
| 07:59.56 | paulproteus | My standards are low. |
| 08:00.02 | paulproteus | (-; |
| 08:00.31 | goxboxlive | i guess the battery last for 3 days or son with wince running on universal, but it depends on the use of course |
| 08:00.51 | goxboxlive | i guess 3 dyas is in suspend mode |
| 08:01.13 | paulproteus | I really really don't want to use WinCE. (-: |
| 08:01.18 | goxboxlive | I am goping to buy a GTA02, i think it will be a killer. |
| 08:01.22 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 08:01.30 | goxboxlive | who does |
| 08:04.09 | BabelO | hi goxboxlive |
| 08:05.44 | goxboxlive | Hi BabelO |
| 08:06.26 | goxboxlive | What the heck do we have to do to get the modem working on Ba/Ma ? |
| 08:08.01 | BabelO | goxboxlive : : normally just thing i ve alerady done in multiplexer, so a null multiplexer device plugin with line discipline inside ;) |
| 08:10.48 | goxboxlive | BabelO: have you tested that yet? |
| 08:12.32 | Cyorxamp | paulproteus: Apparently the CDMA is more just rumour at the moment, nothing finalised |
| 08:12.55 | paulproteus | Cyorxamp, Yes, I read elsewhere that they said they'd have to find a network provider who wanted to do it. |
| 08:13.33 | Cyorxamp | God I hope not, last we need is another iPhone - They don't need a network provider GSM, why in the hell would they need one for CDMA |
| 08:15.07 | BabelO | goxboxlive : yes, but does not work it segfault like you know, same thing you have tested |
| 08:16.42 | goxboxlive | BabelO: yes, ok i thought you had come up with something new. :-((((((( |
| 08:18.15 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, So if I can get my hands on a Magician, did you say you had an OpenMoko build for it? |
| 08:19.06 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, And the 3-4 hour quote on the time for Universal is even with the screen turned off most of the time? |
| 08:30.37 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: yes openmok is r\unning on it. I tried out yesterday build, but it was actually a drawback. It might be that i have done something wrong when i builded it. vut you are able to use a x11 or gpe image with openmoko-dialer. But just as you know, i am not using it as a daily phone at the moment (i have no idea about sms support), i rather wait untill we have Qtopia working. |
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| 08:31.24 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: yes that's in suspend mode (suspend is suposed to save power) wich is not working good at the moment. |
| 08:31.39 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, Ouch re: suspend mode |
| 08:33.36 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, I guess I'll try using a Magician as a daily phone until the FIC phone works well enough to be my daily phone.... |
| 08:36.30 | cr2 | hi |
| 08:37.16 | cr2 | goxboxlive: it seems htc was planning an athena without the usb host. |
| 08:38.13 | cr2 | and it seems that their original hardware plans were different from what came out. |
| 08:38.43 | cr2 | so the device is a nice hardware hack job |
| 08:39.49 | cr2 | i think there are several things one can do to save power on the universal |
| 08:40.04 | cr2 | but i'd like to do something on the athena first. |
| 08:40.37 | cr2 | and since athena and hermes use ak4641 too, i'll do that anyway :) |
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| 09:03.24 | BabelO | hi cr2 |
| 09:03.32 | BabelO | cr2: any luck with file i send to you ? |
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| 09:26.43 | goxboxlive | cr2: Ok |
| 09:28.12 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: As i said i havent used it myself as a daily phone so i have no idea if it will be successfull or not. But at least we are close. But i would recommend you to use a x11 image with openmoko-dialer since the openmoko image is quite in alpha state. |
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| 09:45.03 | cr2 | BabelO: no, i was busy with other things. |
| 09:46.16 | cr2 | BabelO: it seems that the gpsmapedit author has nothing against if we will use the modified 0.89b version as free software. |
| 09:47.55 | cr2 | we can fix the bugs by comparing with the latest version without doing and cut'n'paste |
| 09:48.18 | cr2 | and i think that the old version is a better starting point. |
| 09:48.41 | cr2 | but it needs some changes to include the routing graph handling. |
| 09:50.09 | cr2 | and the gdal integration will make many things more simple and better. |
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| 16:19.09 | goxboxlive | hi |
| 16:19.23 | pH5 | hi goxboxlive |
| 16:19.57 | goxboxlive | pH5: i am not able to build any x11-image now, because xserver-xorg failes. Could you build one and upload one to your web space at linuxtogo? |
| 16:20.29 | pH5 | no, I'm not interested in building xserver-xorg. |
| 16:22.45 | pH5 | which machine did you build for? xserver-xorg shouldn't be selected for our devices. |
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| 16:28.12 | goxboxlive | pH5: Magician and angstrom-2008.1 |
| 16:29.26 | pH5 | not good, let me fix that.. |
| 16:32.13 | goxboxlive | pH5: i have done the same, and console-images so i havent noticed it. |
| 16:41.39 | pH5 | goxboxlive: fix pushed (I think) |
| 16:41.56 | goxboxlive | thx |
| 16:42.04 | pH5 | bbl |
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| 17:25.41 | BabelO | hi |
| 17:26.20 | paulproteus | allo |
| 17:26.39 | pH5 | hi |
| 17:26.55 | goxboxlive | pH5: did you push the OE change? |
| 17:27.34 | pH5 | goxboxlive: yes |
| 17:27.41 | goxboxlive | hmm ok |
| 17:27.55 | goxboxlive | wich file did you change? |
| 17:29.14 | pH5 | magician.conf, added PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/xserver = "xserver-kdrive" |
| 17:29.42 | goxboxlive | ahh now it got updated. It took some while then :-) |
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| 17:43.56 | Asmooh | hi all |
| 17:45.21 | Asmooh | anyone knows anything about default.txt? i have gnuharet and linux.ha (Linpropeth) |
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| 18:06.16 | goxboxlive | pH5: does bluez-gnome buildfor you'? For me it complaines about som permissons stuff. |
| 18:19.55 | Asmooh | hm |
| 18:19.58 | Asmooh | i wonder... |
| 18:20.33 | Asmooh | in my readme file said, copy blabla to /storage/programm blabla etc |
| 18:20.36 | Asmooh | but.. |
| 18:20.53 | pH5 | NOTE: package bluez-gnome-0.14: completed |
| 18:21.16 | Asmooh | i cant rename storage card into storage.. so i created a directory: storage.. but now i get: unable to mount blabla |
| 18:22.35 | goxboxlive | http://pastebin.no/2704 |
| 18:28.03 | pH5 | http://en.pastebin.ca/740104 |
| 18:28.28 | pH5 | calling /usr/bin/update-mime-database is clearly wrong here, but somehow it works for me nevertheless. |
| 18:29.26 | goxboxlive | hmm |
| 18:39.30 | goxboxlive | pH5: ok, i giveup. Could you make a x11 image and upload it? |
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| 18:59.48 | pH5 | goxboxlive: not yet, I think it still tries to build xorg instead of kdrive. |
| 18:59.52 | pH5 | :/ |
| 18:59.54 | pH5 | bbl |
| 19:00.44 | goxboxlive | pH5: no it doesnt, xorg is removed. No hurry pH5 |
| 19:02.23 | goxboxlive | damn the water in Oslo has been affected. I live 100 meter a way from the non affected water. I have to boil the water to use it now :-( Man it realy sucks :-) |
| 19:06.10 | goxboxlive | We cant even brush out teeth in the water. |
| 19:06.31 | goxboxlive | s/in/with/ |
| 19:35.24 | pH5 | goxboxlive: oy, what happened? |
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| 19:36.58 | pH5 | hi cr2 |
| 19:37.10 | pH5 | goxboxlive: you're right, it's not selecting xorg anymore. |
| 19:37.13 | cr2 | hi pH5 |
| 19:38.24 | goxboxlive | There are some bacteria in the water magazine wich suplies 80% of the citizents in Oslo :-) SO we are back to the 1800 century here now :-) |
| 19:39.12 | goxboxlive | pH5: Yes i noticed, it's only bluez-gnome wich doesnt buildfor me now i guess. But i cant find where i can disable it. |
| 19:41.47 | pH5 | bluez-gnome is pulled in by angstrom-gpe-task-base. |
| 19:41.55 | goxboxlive | thx |
| 19:42.53 | pH5 | goxboxlive: living without water is really inconvenient. hope they get this cleaned up soon, at least they didn't shut it off completely. |
| 19:43.27 | goxboxlive | no, it safe to take a shower, but just dont swallow it :-) . |
| 19:50.17 | goxboxlive | pH5: i sms supported with Magician now in openmoko-dialer2? |
| 19:53.35 | pH5 | I don't know, probably not. |
| 19:55.30 | goxboxlive | o |
| 19:55.32 | goxboxlive | k |
| 20:00.26 | goxboxlive | it where builded without bluez-gnome |
| 20:17.06 | pH5 | heh, now my x11-image is finished, too. |
| 20:31.57 | goxboxlive | pH5: my touchscreen doesnt work in x11 image. AFAIR it didn work with openmoko yesterday either |
| 20:32.10 | goxboxlive | ot works with ts_calibrate, but not in x |
| 20:39.43 | goxboxlive | doesnt seem like gsmd is working either |
| 21:05.27 | pH5 | ~botmail goxboxlive re ts problem, see http://en.pastebin.ca/740312 - that's an issue with kdrive 1.4 |
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| 21:23.38 | Asmooh | ok, anyone knows something about the linwizard? |
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| 21:26.35 | cr2 | pH5: are you still here ? |
| 21:26.56 | cr2 | Asmooh: omap850 cpu is not an not easy target. |
| 21:27.01 | Asmooh | well |
| 21:27.05 | Asmooh | guess what, i dont have one |
| 21:27.12 | cr2 | lol |
| 21:27.23 | Asmooh | Processor : ARM926EJ-Sid(wb) rev 3 (v5l) |
| 21:27.39 | cr2 | looks like omap850 |
| 21:27.55 | Asmooh | yea maybe, depens on howmuch there are |
| 21:27.57 | Asmooh | :) |
| 21:28.50 | Asmooh | well i have a simple question, i saw nano-X is a x-window-system like thing |
| 21:28.57 | Asmooh | but how the hack do i start it :P |
| 21:29.11 | cr2 | there was a microwindows howto. |
| 21:29.18 | Asmooh | was? |
| 21:29.32 | cr2 | some time gas gone, since i've tested it :) |
| 21:29.48 | cr2 | nano-X aka microwindows |
| 21:29.52 | Asmooh | yea but the most howto's is recompiling it |
| 21:30.03 | Asmooh | but its already in my "system" |
| 21:30.13 | Asmooh | but u cant start it with putty :) |
| 21:30.13 | cr2 | http://www.microwindows.org |
| 21:30.15 | Asmooh | of ssh |
| 21:30.35 | Asmooh | yea i found that site |
| 21:31.15 | cr2 | i've only run the testsuite. many years ago. |
| 21:31.25 | Asmooh | hm |
| 21:31.41 | Asmooh | yea i thought maybe theres a commando to start it from boot |
| 21:31.42 | cr2 | you have a powerful enough machine to run normal x11 |
| 21:31.56 | Asmooh | maybe, dont know :) |
| 21:32.00 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.11 | Asmooh | hm nop |
| 21:32.32 | Asmooh | whats dropbeaR? |
| 21:32.52 | Asmooh | ah ssh |
| 21:33.22 | Asmooh | cr2, well if u have something else that i can install on my device, something better would be nice |
| 21:33.48 | cr2 | afair there was gpe and opie ? |
| 21:34.06 | cr2 | hmm. if your SD card works. |
| 21:34.18 | Asmooh | well, not with the linwizard kernel |
| 21:34.34 | Asmooh | if it worked i had already debian installed ;) |
| 21:34.34 | cr2 | which machine do you have ? |
| 21:34.38 | Asmooh | desktop? |
| 21:34.56 | Asmooh | mobile: qtek S200, HTC propet i think |
| 21:35.10 | cr2 | prophet ? |
| 21:35.16 | Asmooh | yea |
| 21:35.21 | Asmooh | think so :) |
| 21:35.29 | cr2 | ok. |
| 21:35.40 | Asmooh | Block devices: |
| 21:35.40 | Asmooh | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.40 | Asmooh | 254 mmc |
| 21:35.41 | Asmooh | hmm |
| 21:36.10 | cr2 | i guess you need to find out the SD power gpio, SD irq gpio, etc. |
| 21:36.32 | cr2 | SD detect gpio |
| 21:36.41 | cr2 | but the last one is not critical. |
| 21:37.18 | Asmooh | but, at my /proc/devices |
| 21:37.20 | Asmooh | i have mmc... |
| 21:37.54 | cr2 | so what |
| 21:38.03 | cr2 | it means that the driver is loaded. |
| 21:38.10 | cr2 | the controller is there. |
| 21:38.34 | cr2 | but you need to apply the power to the card at the right time |
| 21:38.48 | Asmooh | hm |
| 21:38.54 | cr2 | and it must produce interrupts for the kernel to service them. |
| 21:39.11 | cr2 | otherwise you'll just get timeouts. |
| 21:39.50 | Asmooh | hmmz |
| 21:41.29 | Asmooh | and i think there isnt anything else i can run on my mob |
| 21:46.24 | cr2 | so you have 2 options |
| 21:46.40 | cr2 | trace it with haret |
| 21:46.51 | cr2 | or disassemble the wince driver. |
| 21:47.03 | cr2 | first option includes some guessing. |
| 21:47.46 | cr2 | the second one requires to understand the gpio structure layout and the way how it's done for omap850 |
| 21:48.09 | cr2 | i don't have such phone, so never did any systematic research in this area. |
| 21:48.28 | Asmooh | well, the second question is |
| 21:48.34 | Asmooh | IF i get the MMC working.. |
| 21:48.57 | Asmooh | is it possible write the dist to the ROM so it will remove windows? |
| 21:49.01 | cr2 | then you can put any distro on the SD card. |
| 21:49.24 | cr2 | i have much more complex problem now with hermes and athena. |
| 21:49.26 | Asmooh | yea but the goal is to but mini-debian on it |
| 21:49.34 | cr2 | hm. |
| 21:49.39 | cr2 | it's even easier. |
| 21:49.47 | Asmooh | debian does have arm dists |
| 21:49.57 | cr2 | you put some angstrom-minimal image |
| 21:50.14 | cr2 | yes, but do they use eabi ? |
| 21:50.22 | Asmooh | dont know |
| 21:50.45 | cr2 | i don't know too. |
| 21:51.08 | Asmooh | but what bout the angstrom minimal image |
| 21:51.40 | cr2 | you can run non-eabi binaries, actually. but it's not nice. |
| 21:52.05 | cr2 | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org |
| 21:52.16 | Asmooh | hehe |
| 21:53.11 | Asmooh | hm wich version shall i need |
| 21:53.30 | Asmooh | htctornado/28-Aug-2007 19:08 ? |
| 21:53.55 | cr2 | should be a good one. |
| 21:54.43 | Asmooh | but |
| 21:54.53 | Asmooh | it still doesnt replace that damn windows ;) |
| 21:54.58 | Asmooh | is that possible? |
| 21:55.35 | cr2 | you need to make it run stable first. |
| 21:57.38 | Asmooh | hm |
| 21:57.58 | Asmooh | why doesnt it have a normal install manual |
| 21:59.12 | Asmooh | ah |
| 21:59.14 | Asmooh | haret |
| 21:59.14 | Asmooh | ok |
| 22:11.19 | Asmooh | oh cool cr2 i get direct an failed to load error |
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| 22:39.02 | cr2 | hi BabelO |
| 22:39.16 | BabelO | hi cr2 |
| 22:39.43 | BabelO | my little cat is playing with adsl cable :( |
| 22:41.10 | cr2 | lol |
| 22:41.40 | cr2 | i'm looking through the RAM dumps for useful info ;) |
| 22:42.20 | BabelO | info of athena ? |
| 22:42.49 | Asmooh | cr2, it doesnt work because i dont have a pxa cpu |
| 22:43.23 | cr2 | BabelO: yes. |
| 22:43.30 | cr2 | Asmooh: haret-0.5.0 ? |
| 22:43.34 | Asmooh | hm |
| 22:43.44 | Asmooh | ik meen anstromblabla |
| 22:44.11 | cr2 | BabelO: it seems that it's easier to write an .rdm saver ;-) |
| 22:44.37 | BabelO | ah ? you try something with mif /mid or just shp compiling ? |
| 22:44.44 | cr2 | BabelO: because the "save" infrastructure is oriented towards 1 save file. hFile |
| 22:45.29 | BabelO | cr2: yes, that s why i create a new CFileWriter with same base name, just need to change extension i think, but not tested |
| 22:45.51 | cr2 | but then a big chunk of the roadmap_* and buildmap_* code should be included into the program. |
| 22:46.04 | cr2 | btw, how can we name the program ? |
| 22:46.25 | cr2 | we need some addition to the name, so the people are not confused. |
| 22:46.34 | BabelO | ok |
| 22:47.06 | cr2 | i'm thinking of fixing the bugs in the .img loader (so it matches qlandkarte as a map viewer) |
| 22:47.19 | cr2 | then the ozi .map loader |
| 22:47.42 | cr2 | and it's necessary to extend the polish parser |
| 22:47.51 | cr2 | to support the routing graph. |
| 22:48.15 | cr2 | it should not necessarily match the current version anyway ;) |
| 22:48.19 | BabelO | what is routing graph ? jsut a trace graph ? |
| 22:48.30 | cr2 | nodes. |
| 22:48.46 | BabelO | cr2: i can report bug fix to your version, i have a nice merge tools ;) |
| 22:48.47 | cr2 | out map_t layout may be then different |
| 22:49.01 | cr2 | ? |
| 22:49.25 | cr2 | maybe we can #ifdef MSVC |
| 22:49.42 | cr2 | #define strncasecmp strnicmp |
| 22:49.43 | BabelO | cr2: yes, you don't want to compare current gpsmapedit with this old release ? to look at bug fix ? |
| 22:50.14 | cr2 | we should compare the key areas. |
| 22:50.28 | cr2 | as in polish input and layout |
| 22:50.36 | cr2 | grmin .img |
| 22:50.41 | cr2 | and ozi .map |
| 22:51.03 | cr2 | the gazillion of the track/waypoint formats can be handled by gpsbabel |
| 22:51.17 | cr2 | it's a pity that there is no libgpsbabel.so ;-) |
| 22:51.36 | cr2 | lol |
| 22:51.53 | cr2 | and the cgpsmapper may be replaced by mkgmap |
| 22:52.03 | BabelO | mkgmap is free ? |
| 22:52.28 | cr2 | http://www.parabola.me.uk/mkgmap/index.html |
| 22:52.32 | cr2 | gplv2 |
| 22:52.54 | cr2 | don't understand why v2 |
| 22:52.57 | cr2 | but ok. |
| 22:53.14 | cr2 | it's written in java, after all. |
| 22:53.28 | BabelO | ah ok java code |
| 22:53.38 | BabelO | java is not my friend :( |
| 22:54.45 | cr2 | we can port it to c++ |
| 22:54.48 | cr2 | later :) |
| 22:55.17 | cr2 | i think there was a java topology suite JTS |
| 22:55.26 | cr2 | which was ported to c++ |
| 22:55.31 | cr2 | to make it usable. |
| 22:56.07 | cr2 | http://www.vividsolutions.com/jts/jtshome.htm |
| 22:56.59 | cr2 | i think the c/c++ version is called GEOS |
| 22:57.20 | BabelO | cr2: how you got all this link so fast ? you are like Kevin2 with bunch of web navigator opened |
| 22:58.42 | cr2 | yes. |
| 22:58.48 | cr2 | library development in C++ was quite painful, since it requires such painstaking attention to details of memory management and code structure. |
| 22:58.56 | cr2 | LOL |
| 22:59.12 | cr2 | so they have chosen java :) |
| 22:59.49 | cr2 | does it imply that java programmers pay no attention to memory management and code structure ? |
| 22:59.51 | cr2 | :) |
| 23:01.31 | cr2 | The project charter did not highlight the requirement for efficiency and robustness, |
| 23:01.36 | cr2 | i'm quoting :) |
| 23:02.35 | BabelO | i m agree that java is very nice to open huge file without take care of memory management |
| 23:04.03 | cr2 | In my opinion C++ is less effective for algorithm design since it requires too much brainpower |
| 23:05.25 | cr2 | BabelO: unix has mmap() for that purpose ;) |
| 23:05.44 | BabelO | :) |
| 23:06.12 | cr2 | CreateFileMapping |
| 23:06.26 | cr2 | of how it is called on the evil side of the world :) |
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| 23:47.23 | cr2 | fixed a bug in the map table. good. |
| 23:51.31 | cr2 | now it looks better. |