| 00:02.56 | cr2_ | EXIT:pARM9State=0x%x, pARM11State=0x%x, a9_m2a_5=%d |
| 00:03.01 | cr2_ | looks like 2 cpus |
| 00:03.30 | cr2_ | ok, it's 2am here. try to extract nk.exe. good night :) |
| 00:04.26 | ImCoKeMaN | alright |
| 00:04.30 | ImCoKeMaN | goodnight |
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| 10:17.49 | snua12 | hi, how can i find GPIO used by touch screen with haret? (on HTC charmer omap 850) |
| 10:19.48 | snua12 | i've tried pdump <omap 730 gpio offset> 16, but I'm not shure, if it is good way. |
| 10:20.41 | snua12 | is there any userguide latest for haret, where are described its commands. |
| 10:30.00 | cr2_ | snua12: afaik there is only the builtin help. |
| 10:30.48 | cr2_ | there are some special commands for watching gpios. 'addgpiowatch' or something like that |
| 10:31.23 | cr2_ | and there are some python helper scripts to parse and decode the watched output |
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| 10:33.17 | cr2_ | look at the haretconsole/ directory |
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| 12:36.30 | Kevin2 | snua12: With latest haret (http://handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/haret-20070911.exe) just run "watch gpios". |
| 12:38.09 | Kevin2 | You should connect to haret via the "haretconsole" script. When you run the "watch gpios" you will likely see a lot of traffic - you can ignore uninteresting gpios by running "ibit gpios XXX" where XXX is the number in parenthesis shown during "watch gpios". |
| 12:39.21 | Kevin2 | BabelO: If you get time, can you grab latest haret and retry memory tracing with wifi on? I've fixed a few bugs, and I am curious if it fixes your issue. |
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| 12:53.27 | BabelO | Kevin2 : hi, i test it now ;) , i ve a big test running so i ve time |
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| 13:02.57 | BabelO | Kevin2 : i can trace adress while wifi running, but i have to test at home when i m also connected over wifi |
| 13:03.19 | BabelO | Kevin2 : and it run wifi previous version too |
| 13:04.54 | Kevin2 | BabelO: Okay. |
| 13:04.59 | Kevin2 | I'm off to work - be back later. |
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| 13:31.44 | cr2_ | hi |
| 13:32.19 | cr2_ | Kevin2: have you seen my yesterday notes about the qualcomm cpu ? |
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| 15:32.49 | goxboxlive | hi |
| 15:34.16 | BabelO | hi goxboxlive |
| 15:34.31 | goxboxlive | any news BabelO ? |
| 15:34.55 | BabelO | no, still developping my app |
| 15:34.58 | goxboxlive | Wonder when QTopia-4.3 is going to be released. |
| 15:35.01 | goxboxlive | ok |
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| 15:53.15 | dcordes | moin |
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| 17:15.32 | cr2_ | Kevin2: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TitanMemoryMap |
| 17:17.26 | cr2_ | Kevin2: without the cpu manual it's not going to be easy with this dual cpu chip ;-) |
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| 18:33.58 | dcordes | cr2_: is it the titan having dual cpu? |
| 18:36.37 | pH5 | all smartphones are dual cpu. |
| 18:36.55 | pH5 | the titan is a msm7500 with both cores on one chip (arm11 for applications arm9 for modem) |
| 18:38.05 | pH5 | on the older phones the second arm core (the modem) is on an external chip connected to the main processor via uart or usb connection |
| 18:41.27 | dcordes | so like inside the neo all those phones have a more or less autonomous gsm modem? |
| 18:42.34 | pH5 | yup. magician and blueangel have exactly the same modem chip as the neo. |
| 18:43.00 | dcordes | so I guess macing phone calls is working well with those? |
| 18:43.59 | dcordes | making |
| 18:44.37 | dcordes | Qualcomm MSM7500 400 MHz processor (dual core 400MHz ARM11 application processor and 133MHz ARM9) |
| 18:44.46 | dcordes | that's pretty much what the titan has right? |
| 18:44.54 | pH5 | yes |
| 18:45.00 | dcordes | mogul specs |
| 18:45.08 | dcordes | I'm thinking about getting one of those |
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| 18:55.43 | dcordes | pH5: will it be possible at all to develop for that titan/mogule architecture without cpu manual? |
| 18:57.02 | pH5 | possible? I sure think so. easy? no. |
| 19:03.54 | dcordes | wow mogul has 128m ram |
| 19:05.10 | cr2_ | pH5: the chances of getting phone support on the qualcomm cpu are higher than omap850. |
| 19:05.44 | pH5 | cr2_: good |
| 19:05.54 | cr2_ | because the arm9 cpu runs linux and communicates with arm11 through DPRAM. like BA and athena. |
| 19:06.28 | dcordes | cr2_: does that mean their modems are linux ran? |
| 19:06.43 | cr2_ | but omap850 has an advantage of having (partial) omap support for the main cpu |
| 19:06.58 | cr2_ | dcordes: i think yes, but we need more research. |
| 19:07.14 | dcordes | could I be of any help? |
| 19:07.23 | pH5 | those chips are way more interesting than olde omap1 :) |
| 19:07.28 | cr2_ | do you have a samsung device ? |
| 19:07.42 | dcordes | yes an sgh-d600 |
| 19:07.51 | cr2_ | pH5: certainly. a 400MHz cpu is not bad. |
| 19:08.02 | dcordes | http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_tytn_II.htm that's the mogul |
| 19:08.03 | cr2_ | dcordes: a link ? |
| 19:08.16 | dcordes | looks pretty nice with 128mb and that 400mhz |
| 19:08.43 | dcordes | cr2_: you mean with device specs for d600? |
| 19:08.49 | cr2_ | yes |
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| 19:09.20 | cr2_ | i can tell you wwhat is realistic to expect about a qualcomm-based phone right now. |
| 19:09.40 | pH5 | heh, linux on the d600 would be way cool. |
| 19:09.46 | dcordes | http://www.esato.com/phones/index.php/phone=206 |
| 19:10.28 | dcordes | openmoko needs a t9 input method |
| 19:10.31 | goxboxlive | pH5: is cr2_ able to help you with the cam driver? Could he give you some usefull information maybe? :-) |
| 19:10.46 | cr2_ | dcordes: ok, the whole procedure is more or less standard now :) |
| 19:11.41 | dcordes | I don't know where to get more detailed specs cr2_ |
| 19:11.59 | cr2_ | 1. can you run haret ? |
| 19:12.06 | cr2_ | 2. can you open the phone ? |
| 19:12.14 | cr2_ | 3. are there any rom updates ? |
| 19:12.16 | dcordes | I can only run j2me apps |
| 19:12.25 | dcordes | 2.3.=yes |
| 19:12.45 | cr2_ | 4. can you extract files from the rom update |
| 19:12.53 | cr2_ | 5. hehe. is it a wince phone ? |
| 19:12.58 | pH5 | cr2_: no |
| 19:13.02 | cr2_ | 5. should be 0. |
| 19:13.23 | pH5 | dcordes: any links to the roms? |
| 19:13.24 | cr2_ | pH5: that's not good for debugging. |
| 19:13.48 | dcordes | since I'm out of 24months of EU guarantee and it looks pretty broken anyway I have no problems experimenting a bit with it |
| 19:13.59 | dcordes | pH5: just a second |
| 19:14.36 | cr2_ | samsung as a device manufacturer is not bad. i guess they used their own cpu :) |
| 19:14.48 | pH5 | goxboxlive: I doubt it. it's not that I'm missing information. I'm missing time and understanding :) |
| 19:14.52 | cr2_ | what os does it have ? |
| 19:15.01 | goxboxlive | pH5: i c. |
| 19:15.42 | dcordes | cr2_: I have no idea |
| 19:15.46 | dcordes | samsungmobile os? |
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| 19:16.26 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: this shitty cam is probably not really worth the pain ;) only to tell the people that we really support all hardware. |
| 19:16.57 | Linuturk | I have the sprint PPC-6601, and I've come to understand via http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:g8Yev5blOOIJ:www.anytux.org/hardware.php%3Fsystem_id%3D1107+PPC-6601+linux&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us << that this is the project to see |
| 19:17.14 | Linuturk | about installing linux on it |
| 19:17.22 | cr2_ | dcordes: how are you going to reprogram the phone ? even if there will be a linux rom available ? |
| 19:17.22 | goxboxlive | cr2_: i know the quality, but the second you said is important. |
| 19:17.28 | pH5 | cr2_: though adding capture interface support for pxa, and bring that together with the omap one, would be a worthwile task. |
| 19:18.03 | cr2_ | pH5: sure. |
| 19:18.13 | Linuturk | is there anything relatively stable enough to install at this point? |
| 19:18.13 | cr2_ | Linuturk: is it a CDMA blueangel ? |
| 19:19.06 | Linuturk | http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:g8Yev5blOOIJ:www.anytux.org/hardware.php%3Fsystem_id%3D1107+PPC-6601+linux&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us << according to that page, it is technically identical |
| 19:19.57 | Linuturk | unless I'm understanding all this wrong, which is quite possible |
| 19:19.58 | Linuturk | ;p |
| 19:20.04 | dcordes | cr2_: I have no programming knowledge at all |
| 19:20.08 | cr2_ | you are using CDMA ? |
| 19:20.13 | dcordes | ok I made hello world app in C :D |
| 19:20.14 | cr2_ | or GSM ? |
| 19:20.46 | cr2_ | dcordes: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=249 |
| 19:21.06 | Linuturk | the carrier is Sprint, but I'm not concerned about making phone calls |
| 19:21.07 | cr2_ | dcordes: this phone should be happily running linux. given some effort :) |
| 19:21.45 | Linuturk | I'd rather see wifi enabled, and use it as a linux pda with ssh back home :) |
| 19:21.58 | cr2_ | Linuturk: afair somebody said that CDMA was working. if you are just curious, grab the old 2.6.12 distro and check. |
| 19:22.13 | goxboxlive | pH5: i have just builded a openmoko image with the kernel source from HEAD. I'll try to boot it now. |
| 19:22.30 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: for magician ? |
| 19:22.34 | Linuturk | cr2_: well, that's just it. I know how to install via CD . . . but i'm at a loss as how to install |
| 19:22.36 | goxboxlive | cr2_: yes |
| 19:23.03 | cr2_ | Linuturk: read the installation instructions on handhelds.org |
| 19:23.22 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: i'd like to adapt it for blueangel :) |
| 19:23.47 | cr2_ | i'm sending hima to lamikr, so RSN for hima too. |
| 19:24.33 | goxboxlive | pH5: it failed as useuall. So i guess there is a kernel issue then since hh12 is working. I'll try out hh13 |
| 19:25.08 | goxboxlive | cr2_: yes of course, but i guess BabelO has made one for BA allready |
| 19:25.33 | Linuturk | ah, so it is all over a serial cable. don't have one :( |
| 19:25.35 | Linuturk | crum |
| 19:26.37 | cr2_ | Linuturk: ? you only need a cardreader. and linux on the desktop. to do things not really painful. |
| 19:26.58 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: there should not be any big difference between these images. |
| 19:27.22 | Linuturk | cr2_: a regular SD card? |
| 19:27.53 | goxboxlive | cr2_: i guess not,only the machine modules i guess. Are the ports equal (ttyX) ? |
| 19:27.54 | cr2_ | yes. |
| 19:28.22 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: the ports are equal, but they are used in a different way. |
| 19:28.30 | goxboxlive | cr2_: ok |
| 19:28.43 | dcordes | goxboxlive: could you pass me that image so I can give it my prophet test buddy? |
| 19:28.54 | dcordes | s/it/it to/ |
| 19:29.02 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: there is a htc_serial wiki page |
| 19:29.16 | goxboxlive | cr2_: BabelO tried out my moko image on BA and he where able to use it AFAIR |
| 19:29.36 | goxboxlive | dcordes: yes of course. |
| 19:29.37 | cr2_ | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Serial |
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| 19:30.27 | Linuturk | cr2_: does it matter that my handheld isn't an iPAQ ? |
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| 19:31.32 | cr2_ | Linuturk: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel |
| 19:32.05 | cr2_ | Linuturk: you should ask BabelO about it. |
| 19:32.14 | Linuturk | ah, ok, cool |
| 19:33.19 | cr2_ | pH5: i can guess from the wince kernel for qualcomm that the cpu has 5 gpio banks with 105 gpios. they are extended by a CPLD (in a usual way), which many irqs muxed through the CPLD. |
| 19:33.44 | dcordes | pH5: unfortunately I only find flash roms uploaded to mysterious hosting services years ago |
| 19:34.02 | pH5 | cr2_: memory mapped cpld? |
| 19:34.18 | dcordes | I already got many internet poker offers |
| 19:34.23 | cr2_ | with some effort i'll find out the GPIO base address, so haret can be extended to watch them. i've already found the CPLD base address. and 9 CPLD registers. |
| 19:34.35 | cr2_ | pH5: yes. like on hermes. |
| 19:34.57 | pH5 | ok |
| 19:36.04 | cr2_ | many GPIO irqs are also known now. |
| 19:36.35 | goxboxlive | dcordes: / cr2_ : I have uploaded a openmoko image. It's suplied with magician modules so remember to remove them: http://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/tmp/ |
| 19:36.43 | cr2_ | somebody with a real device can dump other memory areas, so we will easily find the DPRAM location. |
| 19:36.55 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: ok. |
| 19:37.14 | Linuturk | while I'm in here, got any info on a Sprint Toshiba 2032SP ? |
| 19:37.44 | dcordes | goxboxlive: thanks a lot |
| 19:38.57 | dcordes | goxboxlive: hm I only tried with ext2 for now |
| 19:39.33 | goxboxlive | :-) ok, i dont have that now. I haveremoved that option. |
| 19:39.53 | dcordes | I mean I built an ext2 image for htctornado, gzipped it and put the image and ext2.gz into one folder with haret and was able to boot on prophet |
| 19:40.03 | dcordes | although it oopsed |
| 19:40.04 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 19:40.12 | dcordes | could you make an ext2 possibly? |
| 19:41.54 | goxboxlive | i can try, but you hae to wait. I have to rebuild my own first. |
| 19:42.09 | dcordes | I don't have the phone here anyway |
| 19:42.26 | dcordes | so no need to hurry- you could also give me your kernel bb? |
| 19:42.49 | goxboxlive | dcordes: what do you mean by kernel bb? |
| 19:42.54 | goxboxlive | the bitbake file? |
| 19:42.56 | dcordes | yes |
| 19:43.20 | goxboxlive | do you mean local.conf? |
| 19:44.03 | goxboxlive | I hate webkit-gtk, it rebuidls every day, and it takes allmost an hour to build |
| 19:44.24 | pH5 | goxboxlive: then toss it. |
| 19:44.35 | pH5 | or fix the srcrev |
| 19:45.22 | dcordes | goxboxlive: no not the local.conf. you said you built your image for wizard right? |
| 19:45.56 | pH5 | dcordes: magician. you keep mixing up the devices :) |
| 19:46.07 | dcordes | oops sorry |
| 19:46.22 | dcordes | they sound so similar |
| 19:46.26 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 19:47.10 | dcordes | what arch does magician have? |
| 19:48.10 | goxboxlive | pH5: i know i can do the srcrev, but, i'll will allways think if i build some old stuff "what if the new one is even faster pr have another functionality" :-) |
| 19:48.35 | goxboxlive | dcordes: pxa272 |
| 19:48.47 | pH5 | goxboxlive: :) how true |
| 19:49.09 | goxboxlive | :-) |
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| 19:50.48 | goxboxlive | pH5: i have done that too. Only openmoko fails AFAIR |
| 19:51.38 | pH5 | goxboxlive: where? so far I've only had to work around a really strange build bug in cups. |
| 19:52.06 | goxboxlive | AFAIR webkit-gtk where failing |
| 19:53.17 | goxboxlive | But i havent tested it for a week or so. So it might build again. I have some problem with libicu (with both 2008.1 and 2007.2) so i guess i have to rebuild everything. |
| 19:53.25 | goxboxlive | Now i am building openmoko distro |
| 19:53.36 | goxboxlive | it has cooler bootsplash :-) |
| 19:53.38 | pH5 | goxboxlive: good. I want to see if there are any issues with X11R7.3 |
| 19:53.46 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 19:54.15 | pH5 | and if not, if we can finally enable the evdev keyboard driver (after making it not depend on xkb). |
| 19:54.43 | cr2_ | ERROR: Importing sqlite3 and pysqlite2 failed, please install one of them. |
| 19:54.58 | cr2_ | wtf |
| 19:55.07 | goxboxlive | cr2_: you and sqlite3 is not good friends :-) |
| 19:59.36 | cr2_ | sqlite is just not good enough :) |
| 19:59.49 | goxboxlive | :-.) |
| 20:02.00 | cr2_ | i have everything installed. |
| 20:02.24 | cr2_ | it was working before. |
| 20:05.40 | dcordes | pH5: http://www.mediafire.com/?brmukviwyen that's one d600 flash file from 2006. It is an .exe file |
| 20:06.17 | dcordes | I have received plenty ringtone and poker offers |
| 20:07.15 | goxboxlive | cr2_: have you done a pull? |
| 20:08.10 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: yes. |
| 20:08.30 | goxboxlive | cr2_: have you tried to rebuild sqlite3? |
| 20:15.15 | cr2_ | it's some problem with bitbake |
| 20:16.25 | dcordes | I can't build either |
| 20:16.46 | dcordes | gconf-dbus_svn.bb is broken for me |
| 20:18.30 | goxboxlive | cr2_: maybe your bitbake version is obsolete. Try svn up in the bitbake folder. I am using 1.8.9 |
| 20:27.48 | goxboxlive | pH5: i am very close now . |
| 20:28.34 | goxboxlive | pH5: i tested tag 21-hh14 and it starts openmoko. So i guess somewhere between hh14 and hh15 is causing it. Do you have any idea? |
| 20:29.15 | pH5 | goxboxlive: nope. 'cause I was running hh15 kernels :/ |
| 20:30.14 | goxboxlive | pH5: ok, so hh15 is working. I'll test that one too. |
| 20:32.14 | dcordes | pH5: I'm trying to extract d600 firmware with wine |
| 20:33.18 | pH5 | dcordes: that exe file is a rar archive |
| 20:34.07 | pH5 | hmmh, with a nice configuration file containing a file list |
| 20:34.17 | pH5 | "Samsung TFS Builder, Version 1.1" |
| 20:34.44 | dcordes | how can I execute it when it is a rar archive? |
| 20:34.58 | pH5 | dcordes: unrar x D600XAFB2.exe |
| 20:35.08 | dcordes | ok ^^ |
| 20:35.31 | dcordes | cla is the rom? |
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| 20:35.56 | pH5 | dcordes: I don't know, or .tfs or both |
| 20:36.14 | dcordes | τα παρακάτω περιέχουν SFX scripts |
| 20:39.37 | pH5 | dcordes: the cla definitely starts with arm code |
| 20:41.28 | dcordes | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.45 | dcordes | is it possible to determine further things with the rom? |
| 20:42.21 | cr2_ | strings(1) |
| 20:43.13 | pH5 | dcordes: certainly, given enough time. |
| 20:43.47 | dcordes | isn't that only binary stuff? how can you read things from it? "reverse engineering"? |
| 20:44.00 | pH5 | dcordes: there's much clear text in it. |
| 20:44.11 | pH5 | all the strings in the binary programs, for example |
| 20:44.29 | pH5 | and the tfs is just a file system image that contains all the files in the phone's flash file system. |
| 20:44.51 | pH5 | the "strings" just filters readable strings out of binary data |
| 20:45.01 | pH5 | s/"strings"/"strings" command/ |
| 20:45.02 | dcordes | ok |
| 20:45.24 | goxboxlive | pH5: i have gsmd working, and sort of openmoko-dialer2 but it's still unstable. I have problem placeing calls with it |
| 20:45.44 | dcordes | so that tfs is like initrd and the other one like zImage? |
| 20:46.18 | pH5 | dcordes: that's a crude guess. given that the .cla is 26MB I think there's more than just the kernel in there. |
| 20:47.17 | dcordes | hm ok. what kind of filesystem are they using? |
| 20:47.27 | pH5 | Samsung TFS |
| 20:48.03 | dcordes | is that supported in linux? |
| 20:49.40 | pH5 | dcordes: not that I know of. |
| 20:49.50 | pH5 | but it seems the format is known: http://www.mediafire.com/?brmukviwyen |
| 20:50.28 | pH5 | *http://forums.mobiledia.com/topic11883.html |
| 20:52.26 | dcordes | how did you manage to gain that info about the system w/o mounting the file somehow? |
| 20:53.11 | pH5 | dcordes: by looking at the .cfg file and at the output of strings *.cla and strings *.tfs |
| 20:54.23 | dcordes | interesting what strings prints |
| 20:54.26 | dcordes | Copyright (c) 1998 Hewlett-Packard Company |
| 20:54.51 | dcordes | phone has printing capability |
| 20:55.11 | dcordes | via usb using hp protocol |
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| 21:01.41 | dcordes | pH5: is it possible to tell on what kind of code the system is based? |
| 21:02.46 | pH5 | dcordes: what do you mean? I'd assume this is samsung internal code, with some parts licensed (by hp, by sun) and some bsd code. |
| 21:03.22 | pH5 | it uses bx quite a lot. isn't that an armv4ism? |
| 21:04.51 | dcordes | what's bx? No idea what cpu type it has sorry |
| 21:09.49 | pH5 | "branch and exchange", an arm instruction. I've just seen armv4 code use it to leave functions while armv5 code uses other code, but maybe that's just gcc. |
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| 23:09.49 | Kevin2 | Hi |
| 23:14.25 | Kevin2 | cr2_: So, do you think we can reuse s3c code on msm7500? |
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