| 00:00.08 | cr2 | this is SRAM, i'll edit wiki |
| 00:00.08 | cr2 | BUT |
| 00:00.58 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.06 | cr2 | 0xa0000000 0x30600000 3a 58MB DRAM |
| 00:01.21 | cr2 | the ATI chip config declares "external" DRAM |
| 00:01.31 | cr2 | in addition to the SRAM. |
| 00:01.44 | cr2 | blueangel/himalaya did not do that. |
| 00:01.58 | cr2 | it's in the \windows\atihwtbl0.txt |
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| 00:02.16 | cr2 | and the (virtual) address for this DRAM is |
| 00:02.33 | cr2 | 0xa0000000 - 0x8000 |
| 00:02.57 | cr2 | so it's at the top (or bottom as you like) of these 6MB Bootloader |
| 00:03.34 | cr2 | the linux w100fb goes very simple route: |
| 00:04.02 | cr2 | if the xres*yres*bpp > SRAMsize, allocate DRAM. |
| 00:04.24 | cr2 | i guess it's the case on hx4700 |
| 00:04.40 | cr2 | because 480*640*2 > 384K |
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| 00:05.28 | cr2 | so we have to shutdown the ATI chip, and reconfigure it in linux. |
| 00:05.46 | Kevin2 | What's the line to look for in atihwtbl0.txt? |
| 00:05.52 | cr2 | the vsfb alone will trash the memory between 5 and 6MB. |
| 00:06.03 | cr2 | in a busmaster way ;) |
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| 00:06.34 | cr2 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Video |
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| 06:16.19 | manveru | heya guys |
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| 06:25.44 | manveru | hey _law_, nice to see some austrian again :) |
| 06:26.37 | _law_ | manveru, hi, and you are from jp ? |
| 06:28.53 | manveru | working/living here, but i'm from tirol :) |
| 06:29.38 | manveru | ok, anyway... |
| 06:30.13 | manveru | just bought a HTC Hermes... |
| 06:30.20 | manveru | that's how i got here :) |
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| 07:08.41 | _law_ | i have a htv tornado und currently try to port linux onto it... |
| 07:10.14 | manveru | well, good luck with that... |
| 07:10.35 | manveru | i'd love to run linux on hermes, but it seems to be extremly experimental right now |
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| 13:08.07 | pandabear | hello |
| 13:08.30 | pandabear | pH5: Are you online by chance ? |
| 13:08.52 | pH5 | hi pandabear, yes I am. |
| 13:09.57 | pandabear | pH5: great, you have a minute ? I started using openmoko to compile my own image for the magician, but I ran in some difficulties |
| 13:10.11 | pandabear | pH5: do you use the magician.conf from openembedded ? |
| 13:10.22 | pandabear | pH5: erm openembedded, not openmoko |
| 13:11.03 | pH5 | pandabear: yes, MACHINE=magician, DISTRO=angstrom. |
| 13:11.13 | pH5 | I just completed an angstrom-x11-image. |
| 13:11.54 | TBBle | Hmm. How do you reboot an openembedded phone? Specifically, I want to get my Magician back to WinCE so I can work out if this cable's correct. |
| 13:12.20 | pandabear | k, the same what i did, ran quite nice until it stopped because of gcc4, but i will find that out on myself =) |
| 13:12.28 | pandabear | you need to do a hardreset |
| 13:12.32 | pH5 | TBBle: hard reset is the only way. |
| 13:12.49 | pH5 | (hold power + cam key and push the reset button) |
| 13:12.54 | TBBle | Erk, I was afraid of that. Oh well, not like I have anything on the phone I care about, I'm just sick of the WinCE first-boot crap |
| 13:13.17 | pandabear | where did you place your patches to the kernel, in the linux directory and then in a new one called magician ? |
| 13:13.23 | pH5 | TBBle: imagine how sick I am of this ;) |
| 13:13.32 | TBBle | pH5: Oh yeah. -_- |
| 13:13.50 | pandabear | TBBle: have you did this bigSpace thing ? |
| 13:14.02 | pandabear | so it won't load all that stuff at the beginning ? |
| 13:14.05 | pH5 | pandabear: the magician patches are applied in hh.org cvs (the linux-handhelds-2.6 kernels), so no patches. |
| 13:14.29 | TBBle | Nope, it's not actually my phone, so until I've got it running Linux sweetly and as a phone, I prolly shouldn't. |
| 13:14.34 | pandabear | not as quick as a soft reset, still need to calibrate it but it's much faster |
| 13:14.45 | pandabear | true =) |
| 13:15.05 | pH5 | I wish I could store the wince touch screen configuration in flash and skip this cut&paste tutorial on boot somehow. |
| 13:15.10 | TBBle | I got sick of it when I was deploying some WinCE-based custom hardware solution, and the people being deployed too kept forgetting to put it on the charger (or we lost a charger, it wasn't clear) and kept submitting results dated years earlier. |
| 13:16.16 | TBBle | I was never quite clear why a custom hardened scanning-doodad solution still had instructions on how to move appointments around a calender in possibly the dumbest HCI possible. |
| 13:16.32 | pandabear | hehe |
| 13:17.16 | TBBle | Still, the calendar et al were on the device, so you _could_ in theory use it to store appointments, as long as you didn't mind losing them when you were assigned a different device so we could drag the data off that one. |
| 13:17.22 | pandabear | pH5: hrmm, so you made a new bitbake file for the hh kernel ? |
| 13:18.39 | pH5 | pandabear: I didn't make it, most machines (pdas/smartphones) use the hh kernel. |
| 13:19.25 | pH5 | It's selected with the PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel line in the machine.conf file. |
| 13:19.39 | pandabear | hrm, but there are just bitbake files for the 2.6.20 kernel |
| 13:20.51 | pH5 | pandabear: no. there are linux-handhelds-2.6 .bb recipes from 2.6.16-hh9 to 2.6.20-hh3 |
| 13:21.40 | pH5 | the older ones won't work with magician, so I have changed PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-handhelds-2.6 to something more recent locally. I guess I should push that change to oe.dev... |
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| 13:22.50 | pandabear | yes, i just meant there is no .21 rc one like in your fileshack |
| 13:22.59 | pandabear | that'd be nice |
| 13:23.35 | pH5 | btw, great to see some active magician users from time to time :) |
| 13:23.55 | pH5 | pandabear: ah right, I have no .bb recipe for my dev kernels (patches against mainline). |
| 13:24.29 | pandabear | actually i stepped back from using linux on it some time ago when i found tcpmp, but that wince just keeps getting on my nerves |
| 13:25.02 | pandabear | now i am trying a bit harder, see how far i can get with it, you activly using linux now ? |
| 13:25.05 | pH5 | pandabear: I never got used to watching moving pictures on such a small screen. |
| 13:26.07 | pandabear | hrmm, i am addicted to lost and similar series but they somehow manage to air when i got to travel the next day |
| 13:26.11 | pH5 | pandabear: I don't use it as my main phone, so I guess that doesn't count yet. |
| 13:26.29 | pandabear | right |
| 13:27.57 | pH5 | I still need to figure out how to have the phone wake up via GSM interrupt reliably. |
| 13:30.33 | TBBle | Erk. rndis_host needs to be built-in to the kernel to work with usb, apparently. Does the same thing apply to cdc_ether? |
| 13:31.12 | pH5 | TBBle: no, I have cdc_ether as a module. |
| 13:31.45 | TBBle | Good. Windows ActiveSynce can see this thing in WinCE, so I presume the cable is good. Let's see if I can get cdc_ether to talk to g_ether... |
| 13:36.10 | TBBle | Hmm. I get four "hub 4-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 1. Maybe the USB cable is bad?" when I plug the magician in. >_< |
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| 13:52.18 | pandabear | pH5: hrmm, the trouble with qemu and gcc3 seem to be pretty serious, are you using gcc3 for the whole process ? |
| 13:58.05 | pH5 | pandabear: I have gcc-3.4 and gcc-4.1 installed on the debian host. only qemu-native is built with 3.4. |
| 14:01.24 | pandabear | pH5: stupid issue, but thanks, installing gcc3 was enough it seems, i just hope he continues to compile the rest with 4... |
| 14:03.17 | pH5 | pandabear: it should, if the gcc link defaults to gcc 4. |
| 14:04.45 | pandabear | pH5: alright, that's still the case |
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| 14:34.48 | pandabear | pH5: how much space do you mostly need for a basic x11 image ? |
| 14:34.56 | pandabear | when compiling =P |
| 14:35.45 | pH5 | pandabear: I think about 7GB should be enough. |
| 14:36.17 | pH5 | I regularly clean $WORKDIR from packages that I don't work on. |
| 14:36.34 | pandabear | *gulp*, guess I better make space hehe |
| 14:36.35 | pH5 | With rm_work and old bitbake it was possible to build the whole thing in a 1GB ramdisk. |
| 14:37.29 | pandabear | how do you clean the workdir ? is there some script or something ? |
| 14:40.00 | pH5 | there is the rm_work.bbclass that removes packages from workdir after they are built ("inherit rm_work" in local.conf), but it only works like it was intended with the old (1.6) bitbake. |
| 14:41.03 | pandabear | hrmmm, it's taking ages anyways on this machine, guess I need to think of something else |
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| 14:52.08 | cr2 | _law_: hi |
| 14:52.18 | _law_ | cr2: hi |
| 14:52.42 | cr2 | do you have nk.exe for tornado ? |
| 14:53.27 | _law_ | cr2: nk.exe ? |
| 14:53.41 | _law_ | i am very now in the htc world :-) |
| 14:53.41 | cr2 | yes. wince kernel |
| 14:54.09 | _law_ | cr2: should this be on the standard rom ? |
| 14:54.14 | cr2 | is tornado wince3 or 5 ? |
| 14:54.15 | cr2 | yes. |
| 14:54.24 | _law_ | cr2 5 |
| 14:54.25 | cr2 | do you know how to decode the rom ? |
| 14:54.45 | cr2 | or can you run the famous buggy testwm5.exe program ? |
| 14:55.05 | _law_ | cr2: from a windows system? |
| 14:55.19 | cr2 | yes. |
| 14:56.07 | _law_ | ok so i have to reactivate my old w2000 notebook :-) you could post me some infos meanwhile :-) |
| 14:56.25 | _law_ | cr2: are you also working on a linux port on the tornado? |
| 14:58.09 | cr2 | why ? testwm5.exe is a wince program, it dumps everything from \windows to the SD card. |
| 14:58.24 | cr2 | here is the source code http://mamaich.uni.cc/wm_re |
| 14:59.56 | _law_ | cr2: because i try to build a angstrom image for my tornado and i could always need some help ;-) |
| 15:00.09 | _law_ | cr2: ok i?ll dump :-) |
| 15:02.14 | cr2 | i don't do any omap development :) just wanted to look at the virtual memory map. |
| 15:02.40 | cr2 | btw, does Kevin2's haret work on tornado ? |
| 15:04.07 | _law_ | cr2: haret for tornado? where? thats what i am looking for! |
| 15:05.24 | cr2 | first try the mainline haret. |
| 15:06.01 | cr2 | http://handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret |
| 15:06.09 | cr2 | haret-20070128.exe |
| 15:08.26 | cr2 | and then the old haret for tornado (google search: haret+tornado) |
| 15:08.29 | cr2 | http://chac.le-poulpe.net/~nico/tornado/dl |
| 15:09.00 | _law_ | cr2: ok thanks but first i?ll dump the image.... |
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| 16:08.30 | _law_ | cr2: dumprom.exe ? |
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| 16:36.58 | anYc | is it possible to damage my magician if i send wrong commands to the modem? |
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| 16:45.49 | anYc | i'm asking before i'll play with ;) |
| 16:45.59 | pH5 | anYc: just by sending at commands? no. |
| 16:47.55 | anYc | ok, thanks. |
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| 17:53.04 | goxboxlive | cr2 are you around? |
| 17:53.24 | cr2 | yes. |
| 17:54.16 | goxboxlive | hi |
| 17:54.23 | cr2 | hi |
| 17:54.43 | goxboxlive | why didnt you get you self a FIC phone. You would have got a PH0 phone if you just sent them a mail |
| 17:54.54 | goxboxlive | and for free too |
| 17:56.25 | cr2 | i have 5 already, and prefer to finish something. |
| 17:56.59 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 17:57.18 | goxboxlive | I am considering buying a ph1 phone. It's for everyone. |
| 17:57.38 | cr2 | right now i need to understand why hermes does not boot, which is a shame for us :) |
| 17:58.31 | goxboxlive | add rootdelay to or increase the the rootdelay. Have you tried that? |
| 17:58.40 | goxboxlive | startup.txt |
| 17:58.51 | cr2 | and it's not a secret that i'm not excited with neo hardware. |
| 17:58.59 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 17:59.04 | cr2 | the _kernel_ crashes very early. |
| 17:59.08 | goxboxlive | Well, i have read abouyt the screen |
| 17:59.16 | goxboxlive | it's so clear |
| 17:59.22 | goxboxlive | and bright |
| 17:59.27 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 17:59.49 | goxboxlive | The A780 screen is almost invisable in sunlight |
| 18:00.15 | cr2 | we've put neo and universal side by side in brussels |
| 18:00.55 | goxboxlive | NEO has a bether screen right? |
| 18:01.01 | cr2 | and was quite happy with the dpi on universal, the difference between 225 and 285 dpi is not real. |
| 18:01.08 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 18:01.31 | cr2 | neo is vga at 2.8", universal at 3.6" hx4700 at 4" and athena at 5" |
| 18:02.22 | cr2 | just the screen is smaller. i wish athena had 800x600 lcd :) |
| 18:02.53 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 18:03.19 | goxboxlive | Do you thinlk we have Universal finished by summer? |
| 18:03.28 | goxboxlive | we bether |
| 18:03.36 | cr2 | i'll think about athena after hermes will boot. |
| 18:03.45 | cr2 | if somebody will help me... |
| 18:03.45 | goxboxlive | ohhh |
| 18:03.54 | goxboxlive | well, i would if i could |
| 18:03.58 | cr2 | we _must_ finish universal. |
| 18:04.08 | cr2 | help with universal, i mean. |
| 18:04.25 | goxboxlive | right, but who might that be |
| 18:04.48 | cr2 | everything is actually known about universal. |
| 18:05.11 | cr2 | there is no excuse, it's a perfect free software phone. |
| 18:05.34 | cr2 | no other can be compared. |
| 18:05.39 | goxboxlive | so, actually, one with some C skills are able to finish it? |
| 18:06.17 | cr2 | i've talked with ljp, and hope that trolls will see the light eventually. |
| 18:06.17 | goxboxlive | s/one/one person/ |
| 18:06.40 | cr2 | no, you need some kernel experience. and in different fields. |
| 18:06.46 | goxboxlive | right |
| 18:06.56 | cr2 | but there are many other "small" things that can be done. |
| 18:07.14 | goxboxlive | yes right |
| 18:07.26 | cr2 | i'm not an expert in alsa, and will need some time to write an asoc driver properly. |
| 18:07.44 | goxboxlive | right |
| 18:07.45 | cr2 | user-friendly haret is one of small things. |
| 18:08.09 | cr2 | and removing the modules from image another one. |
| 18:08.24 | cr2 | adding modules to to initramfs will help a lot. |
| 18:08.48 | cr2 | these are very local and limited tasks. |
| 18:08.54 | pH5 | cr2: I wonder if instead of removing modules from the image giving haret ext2 capabilities and putting the kernel in there too might be an alternative? |
| 18:10.07 | cr2 | hmm. miniloader/MILO did it on alpha. |
| 18:11.09 | cr2 | pH5: it's a good idea, actually. |
| 18:11.25 | cr2 | pH5: you don't need full-blown ext2 support, only open() and read() |
| 18:12.01 | goxboxlive | pH5: If that will work, are we then able to put the ext2 image on a fat SD card and Haret will boot the ext2 file? |
| 18:12.02 | cr2 | i have booted alpha this way when there was no initramfs, and it's the most comfortable. |
| 18:12.40 | cr2 | goxboxlive: you can have an ext2 partition on the SD card. |
| 18:12.54 | cr2 | haret==bios |
| 18:13.11 | cr2 | but an intelligent one :) |
| 18:13.21 | goxboxlive | But do you have to have a ext2 partition? |
| 18:13.31 | cr2 | pH5: i'm searching for the MILO source . |
| 18:13.40 | goxboxlive | With OE you are able to build ex2 images |
| 18:14.06 | pH5 | that would make it work a little more like a desktop pc and let distributions leave their kernel+modules under package management control. |
| 18:14.11 | cr2 | goxboxlive: fat was also supported |
| 18:14.15 | goxboxlive | right |
| 18:14.27 | cr2 | pH5: i agree. |
| 18:14.28 | pH5 | cr2: that'd be cool. I think u-boot has similar functionality. |
| 18:14.32 | goxboxlive | pH5, right i agree too |
| 18:15.51 | goxboxlive | Ok, so with this solution Haret will boot the zImage provided in the /boot directory and we dont the the seperate one anymore in the fat partition right? |
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| 18:16.17 | goxboxlive | s/the the/the |
| 18:17.16 | cr2 | hehehe. that were the times http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/alpha/9510/0047.html |
| 18:18.18 | cr2 | check the date :) |
| 18:18.33 | goxboxlive | i saw it :-) |
| 18:19.07 | pH5 | hehe. I think I learned about linux in '96 or 97 only. |
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| 18:21.04 | pH5 | cr2: is htc kaiser the same hardware as hermes? |
| 18:21.24 | pH5 | (except for the gsm) |
| 18:22.19 | cr2 | kaiser ? |
| 18:25.09 | cr2 | 256 MB RAM ? |
| 18:25.59 | cr2 | looks like hermes |
| 18:28.10 | cr2 | hermes with gps. |
| 18:35.28 | cr2 | pH5: ext2 image will be very interesting if we can 'dd' it to the SD card |
| 18:40.01 | pH5 | cr2: i agree. any plans for handling sd cards of different sizes? |
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| 18:43.15 | cr2 | no, but we can create the test images, wasting some space. |
| 18:43.45 | cr2 | not all 512MB cards are equal in size anyway. |
| 18:45.01 | cr2 | we can create the first fixed-size partition (let's say 120MB), and then add the second afterwards. |
| 18:45.52 | cr2 | 120is may be an overkill :) 32 or 64 is better, and fits better in the oe concept. |
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| 21:21.49 | cr2 | Kevin2: FYI |
| 21:21.52 | cr2 | HaRET(1)# atidbg |
| 21:21.56 | cr2 | test ATI: |
| 21:22.00 | cr2 | ATI ChipId = 0x56441002 |
| 21:22.04 | cr2 | ATI Revision = 0x00000001 |
| 21:22.08 | cr2 | ATI RevisionId = 0x00000001 |
| 21:22.08 | cr2 | ATI BusInterfaceMode = 0x00000002 |
| 21:22.09 | cr2 | ATI InternalMemSize = 0x00060000 |
| 21:22.09 | cr2 | ATI ExternalMemSize = 0x00000000 |
| 21:22.10 | cr2 | this is on blueangel. |
| 21:23.03 | cr2 | gnu-haret does not work on hermes, so it's necessary to add this function to mainline haret. |
| 21:33.37 | cr2 | found a workaround :) Log() instead of Output(). |
| 21:34.10 | cr2 | internal memsize= 0x30000 |
| 21:34.31 | cr2 | external memsize 0x200000 |
| 21:35.05 | cr2 | 192K SRAM + 2MB DRAM ??? |
| 21:35.53 | cr2 | looks like a shitty 176x200 phone chipset :) |
| 21:36.34 | cr2 | hahaha. athena has w2284 vs. w2282 chip, but it seems that its SRAM is also not for vga ;) |
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| 22:50.53 | cr2 | pH5: do you have hx4700 somewhere around ? |
| 22:54.23 | TBBle | Hmm. haret can be built with free tools? The idea of adding ext2-reading support to load a kernel appeals to me... |
| 22:58.48 | cr2 | TBBle: haret is compiled with gcc. |
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| 23:02.14 | TBBle | Good. I'll grab it and start reading. Thanks. |
| 23:07.01 | cr2 | afaik you can't compile it with anything else now. |
| 23:24.51 | pH5 | cr2: it's right next to me. |
| 23:32.07 | cr2 | pH5: do you know the framebuffer address in linux ? |
| 23:32.58 | cr2 | +0x10190 |
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| 23:40.55 | pH5 | cr2: sorry, to check that I'll have to get linux to boot first. |
| 23:43.31 | pH5 | but that I'll do tomorrow. good night. |