irclog2html for #htc-linux on 20061219

`01:24.59`	`lkcl`	`btw guys: pierrox mentioned to me that booting on the g500 only works if bluetooth has been enabled and then disabled :)`
`01:25.25`	`lkcl`	`and suspend/resume only works if the device has been suspended/resumed at least once, after a hard reset.`
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`01:33.54`	`Kevin2`	`Scarry`
`01:35.23`	`lkcl`	`he he`
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`01:35.49`	`lkcl`	`anyway: i've found the handhelds.org arm-linux-gcc3.4.1 compiler, just in case _that_ makes a difference...`
`01:36.16`	`lkcl`	`hmph. i wonder who else has s3c devices booting, using haret...`
`01:36.22`	`Kevin2`	`lkcl: One uses "apm --suspend" to suspend the phone?`
`01:36.46`	`lkcl`	`Kevin2: on devices where we've completed linux kernel enough for it to actually work, yes :)`
`01:39.06`	`Kevin2`	`If I see: Dec 18 20:37:08 h2200 user.warn kernel: Suspending console(s)`
`01:39.09`	`Kevin2`	`Does that mean it works?`
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`01:43.11`	`lkcl`	`if the screen went black, and you had to press the power button to get it back, then yes :)`
`01:43.56`	`Kevin2`	`Yes. Keyboard and touchscreen don't come back. I need to plug/unplug usb also.`
`01:44.25`	`Kevin2`	`I'm not sure if the cpu is really going down -- many of the devices definitely are.`
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`01:45.44`	`lkcl`	`ahh, suspend/resume debugging Hell.`
`01:45.56`	`lkcl`	`ok, does your device have a vibrate option?`
`01:46.17`	`lkcl`	`do you have a serial cable?`
`01:46.42`	`lkcl`	`or does it have IRDA _and_ do you also have another device with matching IRDA?`
`01:47.20`	`lkcl`	`alternatively, do you want to try doing something really painful to your local copy of your kernel tree?`
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`01:58.37`	`lkcl`	`Kevin2: consider commenting out the console blocking in the main linux kernel suspend code`
`01:58.47`	`lkcl`	`and block out the console suspend`
`01:58.59`	`lkcl`	`and enable PM_DEBUG config option`
`01:59.33`	`lkcl`	`you'll then be able to see suspend debug messages, after which, your device is likely to crash, either on processor-sleep, or most likely, on resume.`
`02:00.08`	`lkcl`	`there's no real decent way to debug power-management, except possibly with JTAG.`
`02:00.30`	`lkcl`	`or - yes: you know how to flash the LEDs, right?`
`02:01.00`	`lkcl`	`so you can either switch on vibrate, or flash one or more LEDs, or you could send debug messages manually and directly down the IRDA or the serial cable.`
`02:01.47`	`lkcl`	`i might end up doing that on the hermes...`
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`02:09.09`	`Kevin2`	`lkcl: Well, the apmd daemon seems to invoke the suspend. But the machine comes back up okay. (I can ssh in via usb.)`
`02:09.19`	`lkcl`	`oh, great - that's good news.`
`02:09.32`	`lkcl`	`ok so enable CONFIG_PM_DEBUG and it will tell you much more.`
`02:09.38`	`Kevin2`	`The screen comes back okay also. I'm just not sure if the CPU was fully suspended or not. (I didn't copy all the code from universal.)`
`02:10.07`	`lkcl`	`ok - do you have to press a button or anything to bring it out of suspend?`
`02:10.09`	`Kevin2`	`Good idea.`
`02:10.21`	`Kevin2`	`lkcl: Yes - the power button.`
`02:10.24`	`lkcl`	`ahhhh you have just remiiinded me of something to try...`
`02:10.32`	`lkcl`	`ok, well, don't press that, and try pinging it :)`
`02:10.40`	`lkcl`	`or try lsusb`
`02:11.05`	`lkcl`	`also the CONFIG_PM_DEBUG will tell you which bits of the suspend code it goes into.`
`02:11.14`	`Kevin2`	`Right - after it suspends, the ssh terminal hangs. But I don't know if this is because the cpu is not there or if the usb is not there.`
`02:11.50`	`lkcl`	`i just thought of something for the htc sable... i can..`
`02:12.21`	`lkcl`	`if an old lady falls over in a forest, as she hits the ground, does she actually make a sound? :)`
`02:12.49`	`lkcl`	`... i can take out the code that actually does the suspending/resuming of the processor....`
`02:13.03`	`lkcl`	`but calls all the suspend/resume on all the devices`
`02:23.45`	`Hymie`	`hey guys, >I know this is strange.. but, a week ago, someone posted a picture of a PDA that had a can of pringles beside it... can anyone tell me where that picture is, or.. alternatively... what the can of pringles was?`
`02:27.07`	`Kevin2`	`Pringles are a type of potato chip sold here in the states - they come in a tall round can about 15cm in diameter.`
`02:28.12`	`Hymie`	`yes, I know that... we have them here in Canada too.. but, in that picture was a new flavour of pringles I hadn't seen before, and it looked damn good, so I was going to try to find it ;)`
`02:28.26`	`Hymie`	`it's been bugging me for a week!`
`02:28.28`	`Kevin2`	`:-)`
`02:29.23`	`Kevin2`	`Someone was talking about pringles here a couple of days ago - search the irc logs.`
`02:29.46`	`Hymie`	`logs!!!! cool!!!!!`
`02:31.44`	`Kevin2`	`lkcl: I think this thing is actually suspending! That was totally painless!`
`02:31.52`	`lkcl`	`you lucky bastard.`
`02:32.06`	`lkcl`	`Kevin2: it was me`
`02:32.31`	`lkcl`	`talking about pringles.`
`02:32.42`	`lkcl`	`not taking photos of them.`
`02:32.45`	`lkcl`	`barbecue flavoured.`
`02:35.26`	`Hymie`	`lkcl: there was this pic, though`
`02:35.26`	`lkcl`	`not from me there wasn't!`
`02:35.26`	`Hymie`	`lkcl: I saw about a week ago.. had a PDA with someone showing linux booting`
`02:35.27`	`lkcl`	`oh.. uhh....`
`02:35.29`	`lkcl`	`ermm....`
`02:35.29`	`Hymie`	`lkcl: and there just happened to be a can of prinkles`
`02:35.35`	`Hymie`	`it was moz cheese and something`
`02:35.38`	`lkcl`	`oops`
`02:35.47`	`Hymie`	`it sounded delicous, it did!`
`02:35.47`	`lkcl`	`that ermmm... yeh, might be me... lemme check...`
`02:36.02`	`Hymie`	`TOMATO AND MOZZARELLA FLAVOURED PRINGLES !!! :( They don't have that here :(((`
`02:36.02`	`Hymie`	`00:44.20Hymiedamn`
`02:36.16`	`lkcl`	`http://hands.com/~lkcl/hp6915/IMAGE_00019.jpg`
`02:36.19`	`lkcl`	`euuuw.`
`02:36.23`	`lkcl`	`no. definitely wasn't me.`
`02:36.42`	`lkcl`	`http://hands.com/~lkcl/hp6915/first_boot.jpg`
`02:37.15`	`lkcl`	`you need to take more care of your taste buds, Hymie`
`02:37.15`	`Hymie`	`hey, what pda is that?`
`02:37.29`	`Hymie`	`does it have UTMS?`
`02:38.33`	`Hymie`	`http://www.gnulinux.biz/`
`02:38.35`	`Hymie`	`!!!!!!`
`02:38.38`	`Hymie`	`there it is!!!!`
`02:38.41`	`Hymie`	`does anyone know this person?`
`02:38.45`	`lkcl`	`it's the hw6915 - aka HTC sable`
`02:38.47`	`lkcl`	`1sec...`
`02:39.04`	`lkcl`	`that's a blueangel.`
`02:39.16`	`lkcl`	`i ought to know who it is...`
`02:40.32`	`Hymie`	`hey, does that have blue leds for the backlight?`
`02:40.42`	`Hymie`	`my hermes drives me nutty`
`02:40.46`	`Hymie`	`the backlight is too bright`
`02:40.49`	`lkcl`	`he he`
`02:40.51`	`Hymie`	`the led lights are too brighht`
`02:40.56`	`Hymie`	`the lights around the top and the bottom are too bright`
`02:41.02`	`lkcl`	`don't think so, hymie.`
`02:41.07`	`Hymie`	`I have painted over the network leds, with black paint`
`02:41.14`	`Hymie`	`put black tape over all the buttons that shiner`
`02:41.20`	`lkcl`	`actually it depends what revision board you have. there's a toppoly screen version and a sony screen version`
`02:41.22`	`Hymie`	`put on an extra dark screen protector ;)`
`02:41.28`	`Hymie`	`hmm`
`02:41.41`	`Hymie`	`well, I'm hoping Linux might give me more control over dimming thgat backlight`
`02:41.52`	`lkcl`	`ahh... it's PWM controlled, so yes.`
`02:41.57`	`Hymie`	`as one of the 10.3 BILLION $#%#$@@#$ THINGS wm5 pisses me off over ;)`
`02:42.03`	`Hymie`	`lkcl: dude.. you know what?`
`02:42.09`	`lkcl`	`you could potentionally mess with the PWM`
`02:42.10`	`Hymie`	`I used to have an Ipaq.. maybve 7 years ago`
`02:42.14`	`lkcl`	`no, dude, i don't know what :)`
`02:42.18`	`Hymie`	`and....`
`02:42.26`	`Hymie`	`THERE ARE BUGS FROM IT THAT STILL EXIST IN TWM5`
`02:42.28`	`Hymie`	`WHY!`
`02:42.29`	`Hymie`	`why?!`
`02:42.33`	`Hymie`	`it makes no sense, M$!!!`
`02:42.36`	`lkcl`	`hehe. that's really funny.`
`02:42.42`	`lkcl`	`well, what do they care?`
`02:42.45`	`Hymie`	`I reported them`
`02:42.47`	`lkcl`	`it sells devices.`
`02:42.47`	`Hymie`	`precisely`
`02:42.57`	`Hymie`	`and, take pocket outlook`
`02:42.59`	`Hymie`	`I have 1200 contacts`
`02:43.04`	`Hymie`	`I can't do "select all" and delete`
`02:43.09`	`lkcl`	`by the time you've found out, you've already spent the money.`
`02:43.14`	`Hymie`	`I have to delete them one at a time, if I wwant mass deelete`
`02:43.24`	`Hymie`	`or.. I GUESS I MUST OWN OUTLOOK OR EXCHANGE`
`02:43.29`	`Hymie`	`or windows`
`02:43.30`	`Hymie`	`or something`
`02:43.39`	`lkcl`	`well, if you want an expensive PDA, then there are plenty of HTC devices to choose from.`
`02:43.40`	`Hymie`	`sorry lkcl`
`02:43.43`	`lkcl`	`he he`
`02:43.48`	`lkcl`	`you're not the only one`
`02:43.59`	`Hymie`	`lkcl: last night`
`02:43.59`	`lkcl`	`just don't put your device in between the fist and the wall, ok?`
`02:44.04`	`Hymie`	`I'm ashamed about this`
`02:44.10`	`Hymie`	`but, >I was using pocket tomeraider`
`02:44.14`	`Hymie`	`and it sucks so bad`
`02:44.23`	`Hymie`	`that I cam out of my bedroom (i was reading to go to sleep)`
`02:44.27`	`lkcl`	`oh dear! well what do you expect, dude? :)`
`02:44.35`	`Hymie`	`and started smashing my fists against the kitchen counter`
`02:44.39`	`Hymie`	`and I hit this plate`
`02:44.43`	`Hymie`	`and it smashed against the ceiling`
`02:44.48`	`Hymie`	`and broke into a billion pieces`
`02:44.48`	`Hymie`	`#)$(@#)_($@#`
`02:44.53`	`Hymie`	`SO THGEN I WAS MORE MAD`
`02:44.55`	`lkcl`	`the blueangel and himalaya have an ATI w100 accelerated chip`
`02:45.00`	`lkcl`	`that's very funny :)`
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`02:45.31`	`lkcl`	`anyway, Hymie: i really _must_ go to sleep.`
`02:45.34`	`Hymie`	`lkcl: they designed pocket tomeraider so you MUST use the on screen keyboard`
`02:45.38`	`Hymie`	`lkcl: buggy crap`
`02:45.40`	`Hymie`	`have a good one dude`
`02:45.42`	`lkcl`	`oops...`
`02:46.07`	`lkcl`	`you too. and btw the hermes is on the list of devices to do, we started yesterday.`
`02:46.17`	`lkcl`	`but have to get haret to work with it, first.`
`02:46.21`	`Hymie`	`yes, >I saw all this talk in the channel and literally almost got a boner ;)))`
`02:46.24`	`lkcl`	`it's being a bit painful`
`02:46.33`	`lkcl`	`v. funny.`
`02:46.39`	`lkcl`	`ok. enough.`
`02:46.41`	`lkcl`	`night dude.`
`02:46.45`	`Hymie`	`l8r`
`03:01.26`	`Hymie`	`http://cgi.ebay.com/PRINGLES-New-TOMATO-MOZZARELLA-Limited-Edition_W0QQitemZ160031054656QQcmdZViewItem`
`03:01.28`	`Hymie`	`FOUND IT!`
`03:01.33`	`Hymie`	`I wonder if I can get it overnighted`
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`04:11.33`	`Kevin2`	`Okay, I fixed touchscreen - now to fix keyboard.`
`04:26.26`	`lkcl`	`Kevin2 - well done, dude.`
`04:41.27`	`Kevin2`	`Cool - I have keyboard resuming now too.`
`04:42.24`	`Kevin2`	`lkcl: Thanks. Clearly, all the hard work was done already in the other ports.`
`04:42.40`	`lkcl`	`yaay! can you fix hw6915, too?`
`04:47.37`	`Ralith`	`anyone want to help me fund buying a Universal? ^_^`
`04:48.41`	`Kevin2`	`lkcl: What is hw6915?`
`04:48.47`	`lkcl`	`htc sable`
`04:49.03`	`Kevin2`	`Heh, what's wrong with it?`
`04:49.11`	`lkcl`	`suspend/resume....`
`04:50.32`	`Kevin2`	`I think fixing pxa27x_keyboard is more in my league.`
`04:50.34`	`lkcl`	`Ralith: if you have done lots of linux kernel work, or anything else, then yep, i'll think about it.`
`04:50.42`	`lkcl`	`ooo, thaaat.`
`04:50.53`	`Ralith`	`lkcl, sadly, no; if I had, the question would have been a lot more serious :P`
`04:51.16`	`lkcl`	`oops!`
`04:51.34`	`lkcl`	`you picked an expensive device to try...`
`04:51.41`	`Ralith`	`indeed ^_^`
`04:51.55`	`lkcl`	`how about a nice htc magician, instead? :)`
`04:51.59`	`Ralith`	`it's not like I don't have uses for it other than linux.`
`04:52.48`	`Ralith`	`I have every intention of using the universal-unique features in wince until linux gets usable in a production sense.`
`04:53.02`	`Ralith`	`otherwise yes, I would be getting a magician :P`
`04:53.51`	`Kevin2`	`lkcl: How much do you think Hermes will cost on ebay? I see them bidding for about $500 -- seems a little high.`
`04:54.13`	`lkcl`	`i think i got mine for .... yep, that sounds about right.`
`04:54.14`	`Ralith`	`Kevin2, it's pretty new; give it a few months and it'll die down, especially after christmas.`
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`04:58.10`	`Ralith`	`in fact, if all goes well, I should have one for under $400 paid for by wednesday.`
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`11:57.32`	`BabelO`	`hi all`
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`12:13.05`	`pH5`	`hi BabelO, goxboxlive`
`12:13.23`	`goxboxlive`	`hi pH5`
`12:13.37`	`BabelO`	`hi pH5`
`12:14.10`	`BabelO`	`goxboxlive: any news about opie II`
`12:15.36`	`goxboxlive`	`BabelO. No i havent seen anything. I have chcked trolltech and linuxtogo-opie but no news.`
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`12:53.09`	`cr2`	`goxboxlive: Kevin has posted the keyboard patch, but i have no time right now to apply it ;)`
`12:53.31`	`cr2`	`for correct resume.`
`12:55.00`	`goxboxlive`	`soo`
`12:55.03`	`goxboxlive`	`good.`
`12:55.24`	`cr2`	`applying it now, it's 1 min job actually :)`
`12:57.50`	`cr2`	`checking.`
`12:58.52`	`goxboxlive`	`thx sir. test it when i come home`
`12:59.25`	`cr2`	`compiles.`
`12:59.34`	`cr2`	`so you can check if it works.`
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`13:11.30`	`goxboxlive`	`good, i'll try when i get home. I dont know how to get it via ssh, so i have to wait`
`13:45.07`	`lkcl`	`allo darlins`
`13:45.39`	`pH5`	`hey lkcl`
`13:45.42`	`BabelOued`	`hey lkcl , big night for you :)`
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`14:08.08`	`pH5`	`hey psokolovsky`
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`14:31.30`	`lkcl`	`uhhnnn... burble. i am a bit turned to jelly`
`14:32.58`	`lkcl`	`my magician turned up today. hooray!`
`14:33.42`	`lkcl`	`i feel an overwhelming urge to get as many htc pxa and s3c phones as i can. quantity 1, each`
`14:35.04`	`pH5`	`lol how many models does htc churn out every year?`
`14:35.11`	`lkcl`	`oh god don't remind me`
`14:35.31`	`lkcl`	`ok, pH5 - where's EGPIO_MAGICION_BL_POWER #define?`
`14:35.34`	`lkcl`	`and BL_POWER2?`
`14:35.54`	`lkcl`	`it's a cute phone!`
`14:36.25`	`pH5`	`yeah, finally somebody to help me clean up my stuff`
`14:36.45`	`pH5`	`EGPIO_NR are in magician.h`
`14:36.52`	`pH5`	`uh, that file is a mess`
`14:36.53`	`lkcl`	`BL_POWER is missing.`
`14:37.04`	`pH5`	`really??`
`14:37.06`	`pH5`	`wait..`
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`14:38.24`	`lkcl`	`oh you need to put brackets round those #define values.`
`14:38.29`	`lkcl`	`for safety.`
`14:38.49`	`lkcl`	`ok. you don't _need_ to - it's just good practice.`
`14:39.20`	`pH5`	`cvs up`
`14:39.53`	`pH5`	`yeah, from its looks this header file is much neglected.`
`14:40.12`	`lkcl`	`k`
`14:42.51`	`lkcl`	`wtf is this 'AIC3'???`
`14:43.12`	`pH5`	`it's the label on the led/ds1wm chip`
`14:43.19`	`lkcl`	`ohh`
`14:43.29`	`pH5`	`I decided to call it PASIC3 in the code, as that's what it is named in the wince code`
`14:43.41`	`pH5`	`same as blueangel's AIC2`
`14:43.45`	`lkcl`	`ok.`
`14:43.59`	`lkcl`	`btw where's a status page for magician? what works, what doesn't?`
`14:44.07`	`pH5`	`wiki.xda-developers.com`
`14:44.18`	`lkcl`	`ok found the progress page`
`14:45.08`	`lkcl`	`ok so it's not bad.`
`14:45.24`	`lkcl`	`sound/arm/htcmagician_audio.c:71: error: 'IRQ_TYPE_EDGE_RISING' undeclared (first use in this function)`
`14:45.25`	`lkcl`	`oops`
`14:45.44`	`pH5`	`forget htcmagician_audio, never worked`
`14:46.15`	`lkcl`	`oops. what's it doing in the defconfig, then? :)`
`14:48.14`	`pH5`	`lkcl: magician_defconfig`
`14:48.58`	`lkcl`	`yep. htcmagician_audio has that in it. linux/irq.h was missing from htcmagician_audio, which shouldn't be in ... ummm... i think i used htcmagician_defconfig`
`14:49.39`	`lkcl`	`oops`
`14:50.13`	`lkcl`	`ooooops stacks of compile errors now with magician_defconfig`
`14:50.16`	`pH5`	`my fingers always tripped when typing htcmagician, and I had already started with the magician name, so I didn't follow cr2's htc prefix naming convention`
`14:50.26`	`pH5`	`yuck.`
`14:50.36`	`lkcl`	make[2]: *** No rule to make target `arch/arm/mach-pxa/magician/magician_gsm.c', needed by `arch/arm/mach-pxa/magician/magician_gsm.o'. Stop.
`14:50.39`	`lkcl`	`that'll be it.`
`14:51.05`	`pH5`	`Oh dear. I should spend less time on the vanilla tree and more on the hh.org cvs tree.`
`14:51.46`	`lkcl`	`and magician_cpld.h is missing.`
`14:51.55`	`lkcl`	`i have the magician.patch file, they're in there.`
`14:52.01`	`lkcl`	`you want to add them or shall i?`
`14:53.50`	`pH5`	`I should remove magician_gsm.c altogether. It was only an experiment. magician_phone is the correct driver`
`14:54.01`	`pH5`	`I'll upload magician_cpld.h`
`14:54.22`	`lkcl`	`ok.`
`14:54.42`	`pH5`	`huh? magician_cpld.h exists`
`14:55.43`	`lkcl`	`huh. o well`
`14:56.57`	`pH5`	`but it is outdated :/`
`14:57.34`	`lkcl`	`hehe`
`14:58.03`	`pH5`	`I should build a script to sync my trees.`
`14:59.57`	`lkcl`	`oops!`
`14:59.59`	`lkcl`	`drivers/leds/leds-magician.c:17:22: error: asm/gpio.h: No such file or directory`
`14:59.59`	`lkcl`	`drivers/leds/leds-magician.c: In function 'magician_led_keys_set':`
`14:59.59`	`lkcl`	`drivers/leds/leds-magician.c:164: warning: implicit declaration of function 'gpio_set_value'`
`15:01.18`	`pH5`	`now this one is too new :D`
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`15:02.07`	`pH5`	`I wonder whether I should just commit the common gpio api patches`
`15:02.29`	`lkcl`	`it's cos it should be asm/arch/magician-gpio.h`
`15:02.59`	`pH5`	`no, that's the proposed common gpio api`
`15:03.03`	`lkcl`	`oh ok.`
`15:04.19`	`lkcl`	`yep. _yes_ you should :)`
`15:05.38`	`lkcl`	`arg, yes you should - set_gpio_value is undefined.`
`15:05.47`	`lkcl`	`sorry. gpio_set_value`
`15:09.44`	`pH5`	`lkcl: ok, I uploaded the pxa gpio patches`
`15:09.47`	`lkcl`	`cool.`
`15:15.13`	`lkcl`	`ok ta compiled, now to test...`
`15:20.43`	`lkcl`	`whahey! splat :) kernel panic`
`15:22.12`	`lkcl`	`ok mmc not recognised, sadly`
`15:22.56`	`pH5`	`did you set rootdelay?`
`15:24.13`	`lkcl`	`no....`
`15:24.15`	`lkcl`	`1sec..`
`15:25.24`	`lkcl`	`kernel boot so quick on this device it's not getting a chance to read...`
`15:26.00`	`pH5`	`lkcl: do you have cpufreq support enabled?`
`15:26.09`	`lkcl`	`defconfig.`
`15:26.16`	`lkcl`	`duno`
`15:26.21`	`pH5`	`:) ok`
`15:26.39`	`lkcl`	`run run run....`
`15:26.44`	`lkcl`	`yaay!`
`15:26.46`	`pH5`	`because pxa-cpu and performance governor set 624MHz, no matter what device`
`15:27.23`	`lkcl`	`errors in configuration, udc disabled`
`15:28.02`	`lkcl`	`oops i didn't start up with usb connected - does that matter?`
`15:28.35`	`pH5`	`no, I get those too, even with the plug. after pulling and putting in the plug again it works for me.`
`15:28.56`	`lkcl`	`ok. not recognised...`
`15:29.41`	`pH5`	`ah, that's probably because g_ether is M in defconfig`
`15:29.53`	`lkcl`	`oops! :)`
`15:30.29`	`pH5`	`that's from the time when I thought that one day I'd also use g_file_storage`
`15:30.45`	`lkcl`	`yeo it was`
`15:31.37`	`pH5`	`gotta go`
`15:31.38`	`pH5`	`bbl`
`15:33.22`	`BabelO`	`lkcl: do you know HTC trinity ?`
`15:33.35`	`lkcl`	`heard of it. omap processor i think. yuk.`
`15:34.04`	`BabelO`	`there is a GPS build in`
`15:34.21`	`lkcl`	`yes something like that`
`15:34.38`	`BabelO`	`Processor : Samsung® SC32442A 400 MHz`
`15:34.44`	`BabelO`	`:)`
`15:34.46`	`lkcl`	`oo!@`
`15:34.50`	`lkcl`	`oo hoo`
`15:34.50`	`BabelO`	`same as hermes no ?`
`15:34.53`	`lkcl`	`yep`
`15:36.00`	`lkcl`	`huh. no boot yet`
`15:36.09`	`lkcl`	`no usb connection yet.`
`15:39.43`	`lkcl`	`hmmm have to run opie, get in, run console, see what's happening...`
`15:41.38`	`lkcl`	`yaay opie!`
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`16:33.09`	`goxboxlive`	`cr2: Problem with the keyboard resume is now history :-)`
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`16:35.11`	`goxboxlive`	`Is this OpieII on it's way :-) http://www.trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2006-12-19.3282791093`
`16:36.35`	`cr2`	`goxboxlive: yes, in the obscene pressrelease language ;)`
`16:36.38`	`goxboxlive`	`cr2: Could you try out the usbnet resume. It might be my own config that is ruin it.`
`16:36.48`	`goxboxlive`	`:-)`
`16:37.13`	`cr2`	`goxboxlive: is it really universal-specific problem ?`
`16:37.48`	`goxboxlive`	`I dont know. it seems like it is only I who have the problem. But i have never asked anyone with a universal.`
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`16:37.55`	`cr2`	`i think we should list all unhandled gpios and irqs.`
`16:38.00`	`goxboxlive`	`I know that hx4700 is resuming`
`16:38.12`	`cr2`	`there is one, which is usb-host related.`
`16:38.17`	`goxboxlive`	`ok`
`16:38.29`	`cr2`	`the keyboard works now ?`
`16:38.33`	`goxboxlive`	`yes`
`16:38.47`	`cr2`	`ok. afaik on apache too. need to try it on sable.`
`16:39.07`	`cr2`	`after the painful device -> platform_device conversion.`
`16:39.14`	`goxboxlive`	`really, i dindnt know`
`16:39.48`	`cr2`	`these are 3 devices that use pxa27x matrix keyboard controller.`
`16:40.15`	`goxboxlive`	`The red phone button on the keyboard is also waking it up from suspend.`
`16:41.04`	`cr2`	`?`
`16:41.22`	`cr2`	`i have just cloned the resume setup of wince.`
`16:41.38`	`goxboxlive`	`ok`
`16:42.06`	`goxboxlive`	`well, i just noticed it. Both the powerbutton and the red hangup button on the kwyboard`
`16:42.28`	`goxboxlive`	`Also the red one on the lcd screen`
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`16:43.26`	`goxboxlive`	`And the right arrow`
`16:52.10`	`cr2`	`the wakeup irqs are all know, it must be one of them.`
`17:01.39`	`goxboxlive`	`cr2: I tried out disabling my portforwarding in local usb, and using a standard usb0 section, but the usb0 on universal didnt resume now either. So I guess it's not my laptop then.`
`17:03.26`	`goxboxlive`	`I am getting a message during resume:`
`17:03.38`	`goxboxlive`	`usb usb1: resuming`
`17:04.02`	`goxboxlive`	`usb usb1: root hub lost power or was reset`
`17:07.05`	`cr2`	`yes, there is one unhandleds gpio.`
`17:07.14`	`cr2`	`the same for the battery.`
`17:07.37`	`cr2`	`there is an asic3 gpio that is enabled under certain conditions`
`17:07.59`	`cr2`	`in suspend ? i have not completely understood the code.`
`17:08.07`	`goxboxlive`	`ok`
`17:08.25`	`cr2`	`then there is some charge-related irq, which i have never seen in action.`
`17:08.43`	`cr2`	`under normal wince conditions, when running haret.`
`17:09.04`	`cr2`	`and there are BB wakeup irq and BT irq.`
`17:09.14`	`cr2`	`also unhandled.`
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`17:26.31`	`goxboxlive`	`ok`
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`17:46.35`	`lpotter`	`merry christmas!! ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/source/qtopia-opensource-src-4.2.0.tar.gz`
`17:51.30`	`cr2`	`lpotter: excellent! it's a very wise move :)`
`17:53.24`	`lpotter`	`ya, finally they got it out`
`17:53.50`	`Hymie`	`lpotter: I hope you had her shirt off first!`
`17:54.29`	`lpotter`	`hmm`
`18:04.46`	`cr2`	`lpotter: what device is the omegacamera on greenphone ?`
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`18:05.14`	`cr2`	`ah. omega is omega.`
`18:06.56`	`cr2`	`the leds control is an ioctl on /dev/foobar_led. oldskool :)`
`18:13.26`	`cr2`	`--------usbdcore.o`
`18:13.26`	`cr2`	`filename: usbdcore.o`
`18:13.26`	`cr2`	`kernel_version: 2.4.19-rmk7-pxa2`
`18:13.27`	`cr2`	`author: sl@lineo.com, tbr@lineo.com`
`18:13.27`	`cr2`	`description: USB Device Core Support`
`18:14.00`	`cr2`	`--------serial_fd.o`
`18:14.00`	`cr2`	`filename: serial_fd.o`
`18:14.01`	`cr2`	`kernel_version: 2.4.19-rmk7-pxa2`
`18:14.01`	`cr2`	`author: sl@lineo.com, tbr@lineo.com`
`18:14.01`	`cr2`	`description: USB Device Serial Function`
`18:14.28`	`cr2`	`--------omega_rtcalarm.o`
`18:14.32`	`cr2`	`filename: omega_rtcalarm.o`
`18:14.32`	`cr2`	`kernel_version: 2.4.19-rmk7-pxa2`
`18:14.32`	`cr2`	`parm_updateinterval:i`
`18:14.32`	`cr2`	`parm_desc_updateinterval:Set interval for updating rtc.`
`18:14.33`	`cr2`	`author: tao zou`
`18:14.33`	`cr2`	`description: Bulverde Realtime Clock Driver (RTC)`
`18:15.30`	`cr2`	`--------net_fd.o`
`18:15.30`	`cr2`	`filename: net_fd.o`
`18:15.31`	`cr2`	`kernel_version: 2.4.19-rmk7-pxa2`
`18:15.31`	`cr2`	`author: sl@lineo.com, tbr@lineo.com`
`18:15.31`	`cr2`	`description: USB Device Network Function`
`18:16.01`	`cr2`	`--------bvd_bi.o`
`18:16.02`	`cr2`	`filename: bvd_bi.o`
`18:16.02`	`cr2`	`kernel_version: 2.4.19-rmk7-pxa2`
`18:16.02`	`cr2`	`description: Bulverde USB Device Bus Interface`
`18:16.02`	`cr2`	`kernel_version: 2.4.19-rmk7-pxa2`
`18:16.27`	`cr2`	`these does not look like GPL modules.`
`18:18.57`	`cr2`	`BCM2121 is GPL ? must be a serial driver then.`
`18:19.01`	`cr2`	`--------omega_bcm2121.o`
`18:19.01`	`cr2`	`filename: omega_bcm2121.o`
`18:19.01`	`cr2`	`kernel_version: 2.4.19-rmk7-pxa2`
`18:19.01`	`cr2`	`license: GPL and additional rights`
`18:21.37`	`BabelOued`	`not so green`
`18:21.40`	`lpotter`	`you must be running the license infringing greenphone`
`18:21.51`	`cr2`	`RTC alarm is on the wristwatch register.`
`18:22.15`	`cr2`	`lpotter: it's in the file you have linked above.`
`18:22.48`	`lpotter`	`hmmm.. wonderful`
`18:23.20`	`cr2`	`but this is not really the ground-breaking stuff there.`
`18:23.33`	`cr2`	`:D`
`18:23.36`	`lpotter`	`smacks that is`
`18:23.44`	`cr2`	`yeah, i understand.`
`18:37.21`	`cr2`	`BabelOued: this is a true hacker device :)`
`18:37.26`	`cr2`	`if [ $1 = "--suspend" ]; then`
`18:37.26`	`cr2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:37.26`	`cr2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:37.26`	`cr2`	`fi`
`18:37.50`	`BabelOued`	`:)`
`18:38.09`	`BabelOued`	`didn't found any assembler code ?`
`18:38.18`	`cr2`	`not yet :)`
`18:38.46`	`cr2`	`lineo programmers did something like that too.`
`18:39.18`	`cr2`	`they exposed all cpu and ASIC registers in /proc. for r/w.`
`18:39.26`	`psokolovsky`	`Hi!`
`18:39.35`	`cr2`	`psokolovsky: hi`
`18:39.44`	`psokolovsky`	`cr2, that's cool, we should have that too. as debugfs however ;-E`
`18:40.02`	`BabelOued`	`hi psokolovsky`
`18:40.03`	`cr2`	`on a production device ? :)`
`18:40.10`	`psokolovsky`	`cr2, do you follow current discussion with David Brownell on how to handle device wakeups right?`
`18:40.16`	`cr2`	`yes.`
`18:40.40`	`psokolovsky`	`cr2, nope, not on production (I mean, not mounted by default). solely for debugging/hacking ;-)`
`18:40.50`	`cr2`	`ok :)`
`18:42.15`	`cr2`	`oo. Qipkg c++ class (!)`
`18:46.08`	`cr2`	`goxboxlive: the camera/volume up/volume down are F4,F5,F6 there.`
`18:47.09`	`goxboxlive`	`ok`
`18:47.47`	`cr2`	`hmm. mouse is hardcoded on /dev/ts`
`18:48.05`	`cr2`	`keyboard uses normal VT access on /dev/tty0`
`18:48.27`	`cr2`	`there are Key_Hangup and Key_Call qt constants.`
`18:48.30`	`goxboxlive`	`I want to compile it, but i have no idea howto do it without OE.`
`18:48.57`	`psokolovsky`	`cr2, so, in other words, qte is as buggy as always? ;-)`
`18:49.38`	`psokolovsky`	`FYI: Angstrom was just upgraded to use common buttonmap. So guys, your devices are next to adapt it ;-)`
`18:50.17`	`psokolovsky`	`And I hope gt/qtopia 4 will be patched by the single patch to get keycodes rigth, not by gazzilions, like qte2 is.`
`18:50.59`	`ljp`	`no patch required.. plugins`
`18:51.56`	`ljp`	`i have written a kernel keymap plugin to grab them from the kernel`
`18:52.02`	`psokolovsky`	`ljp, so how plugins will help having both real F4 key and a camera button?`
`18:52.29`	`ljp`	`they are also controled by defaultbuttons.conf`
`18:52.44`	`ljp`	`and can be mapped to any qtopia service`
`18:52.56`	`psokolovsky`	`ljp, ok, if there's a conf, that's really cool ;-)`
`18:53.07`	`cr2`	`hmm. my biggest beef now. sound is oss.`
`18:53.10`	`psokolovsky`	`ljp, anyway, congrats on the release!!!`
`18:53.21`	`ljp`	`in the qtopia/opieII source, take a look at the qvfb skins`
`18:53.30`	`ljp`	`thanks. :)`
`18:53.52`	`ljp`	`cr2: it has support for alsa as well`
`18:54.15`	`ljp`	`unless you mean rge greenphone`
`18:55.23`	`cr2`	`ok.`
`19:06.53`	`cr2`	`cameramonitor has /dev/video hardcoded.`
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`19:13.44`	`ellisway`	`hi all i have a question regarding the universals`
`19:14.30`	`ellisway`	`on the wiki a few days bak it said about trying the bootloader`
`19:15.51`	`ellisway`	`i have a universal thats going to be replaced on a 28 day handset replacement because it has developed a fault with the sound`
`19:16.22`	`ellisway`	once i no that the new handset is in stock i`ll be up for trying the bootloader
`19:17.05`	`ellisway`	as i`ll just say that the device has completly stoped working when i take it to the shop
`19:34.51`	`elysion`	`how does the touchscreen work on the other devices (!=hermes)?`
`19:35.47`	`goxboxlive`	`cr2: Are you around?`
`19:36.16`	`goxboxlive`	`How fast can we make the bootloader, or bether you?`
`19:36.19`	`BabelOued`	`goxboxlive: you didn t try to compile qtopia ?`
`19:37.15`	`elysion`	`i read the user manual, and i understood that there would be a adc block on the cpu that also could take care of touchscreen but there's nothing happening in that block when i try to watch it with haret`
`19:40.21`	`BabelOued`	`elysion: maybe it is an external chip like in other device`
`19:40.42`	`elysion`	`ok`
`19:41.17`	`elysion`	`so would it be logical then that it would be connected to the spi or i2c?`
`19:41.18`	`BabelOued`	`elysion: try looking for different bus like i2c spi`
`19:41.23`	`BabelOued`	`yes`
`19:41.24`	`BabelOued`	`:)`
`19:41.34`	`elysion`	`:)`
`19:42.46`	`goxboxlive`	`<BabelOued> yes i am compiling it. But for my computer and not universal.`
`19:42.59`	`goxboxlive`	`I dont know how to start.`
`19:43.59`	`ljp`	`read on device configurations`
`19:45.44`	`BabelOued`	`goxboxlive: i m compiling for blueangel. i ve starting after lpotter mail and not finished :(`
`19:46.15`	`goxboxlive`	`BabelOued: Did you create a device?`
`19:46.48`	`BabelOued`	`goxboxlive: no i use pxa27x for moment`
`19:48.19`	`goxboxlive`	`But, how do you get oit running on the BA. Do you have a bootstrap-image on it, or is that included ?`
`19:49.08`	`BabelOued`	`goxboxlive: no i have to merge into your universal image`
`19:50.10`	`goxboxlive`	`Ok, so the best is to have a bootstrap image then, so we dont have any Opie stuff left right?`
`19:50.53`	`BabelOued`	`goxboxlive: yes, but opie is only under /opt i think and some library in /usr/lib`
`19:51.13`	`goxboxlive`	`yes, and some in /etc`
`19:51.46`	`BabelOued`	`i use nfs root, so no space limit`
`19:51.54`	`goxboxlive`	`right`
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`19:52.18`	`goxboxlive`	`What did your ./configyue line look like?`
`19:53.09`	`BabelOued`	`./configure -prefix /home/fcr/armlinux/opie -device pxa27x -bluetooth -sound-system alsa -ssl -displaysize 240x320 -displayrot 0,90`
`19:53.21`	`goxboxlive`	`thx`
`19:54.14`	`BabelOued`	`there is some font option, i try without...`
`19:54.40`	`lpotter`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:54.42`	`goxboxlive`	`But shouldnt you have added path to /opt/qtopia instead?`
`19:54.55`	`goxboxlive`	`yes that's what i mean`
`19:55.34`	`goxboxlive`	`So the right think for me is /opt/Qtopia if i want to run it from the universal's SD card right?`
`19:57.03`	`BabelOued`	`yes, keep default :) and don't forget to have aslsa devel package :)`
`19:57.06`	`lpotter`	`if thats where the card is mounted`
`19:57.55`	`lpotter`	`when opieII gets commited, it will have qss2 which adds support for other ringtone formats besides wav`
`19:59.56`	`lpotter`	`and a aptch for the fullscreeninput method for 16 bit displays`
`20:01.46`	`BabelOued`	`lpotter: is dbus usefull for me ?`
`20:02.55`	`goxboxlive`	`lpotter: When will OpieII be commited. It thought this where OpieII`
`20:03.04`	`lpotter`	`if you have dbus and want bluetooth`
`20:03.37`	`lpotter`	`i tried to commit opieII but some permissions are wrong on the svn db file ;( so it didnt import correctly`
`20:04.02`	`BabelOued`	`lpotter: so i may have fail when building blueatooth`
`20:20.28`	`goxboxlive`	`<BabelOued> How did you set the gcc cross compiler?`
`20:21.07`	`BabelOued`	`it is with pxa27x device parameters`
`20:21.18`	`BabelOued`	`it take arm-linux-*`
`20:22.16`	`goxboxlive`	`hmm but not mine arme-eabi`
`20:22.32`	`BabelOued`	`ah, like me`
`20:22.44`	`BabelOued`	`i use ln -s command line`
`20:23.05`	`BabelOued`	`i don't find any CROSS_COMPILE=`
`20:23.18`	`goxboxlive`	`in the bin directory or in the crosscompiler directory?`
`20:23.48`	`goxboxlive`	`bin directory of qtopia`
`20:24.08`	`BabelOued`	`go to your arm bin cross compiler directory`
`20:24.37`	`BabelOued`	`and do ln -s arme-eabi-g++ arm-linux-gcc for each binaries`
`20:24.45`	`BabelOued`	`outch`
`20:24.50`	`BabelOued`	`and do ln -s arme-eabi-g++ arm-linux-g++ for each binaries`
`20:25.10`	`goxboxlive`	`ohh, for each. thats a lot`
`20:25.35`	`BabelOued`	`the best way is to find the cross compiler variable`
`20:26.16`	`goxboxlive`	`i found something. It looks like it uses g++, c++ and gcc`
`20:27.00`	`BabelOued`	`it use ld i think`
`20:30.23`	`psokolovsky_`	`lpotter, so indeed, do you have idea about qtopia4.2 and OE? I assume you're not interested to add it there? Did hrw already subscribed to that?`
`20:32.21`	`goxboxlive`	`BabelOued: I dont think this is looking good. Because i have displaysaize twice and both oss and alsa: http://pastebin.ca/285393`
`20:33.06`	`goxboxlive`	`I just dont think i can use a pxa27x device. Have to create a own`
`20:33.52`	`BabelOued`	`oh yes :(`
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`20:38.10`	`BabelOued`	`i don t know where this parameters are set look at pxa27x devices directroy`
`20:38.29`	`goxboxlive`	`yes i'm on it`
`20:39.34`	`BabelOued`	`ok build failed on lan.cpp :(`
`20:44.42`	`goxboxlive`	`mine where build for i686, i guess mine will fail to then. Bether abort and try out with own device`
`20:48.20`	`BabelOued`	`goxboxlive: it is a compiler error... a bad include file from my compiler`
`20:48.32`	`goxboxlive`	`ok`
`20:48.54`	`goxboxlive`	`i havent aborted yet.`
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`21:03.47`	`elysion`	`got the camera to take really weird green and purple coloured pictures :D`
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`21:33.50`	`ljp`	`i think hrw is going to add it to oe`
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`21:41.50`	`BabelOued`	`Compile finished :)`
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`21:55.39`	`goxboxlive`	`mine is still compiling :-)`
`21:55.55`	`goxboxlive`	`ljp: That was very good news id hrw is going to.`
`21:55.56`	`BabelOued`	`eh eh, but cannot launch qpe :(`
`21:56.06`	`goxboxlive`	`hmm`
`21:56.26`	`ljp`	`try scripts/runqtopia`
`21:56.39`	`ljp`	`did you 'make install'?`
`21:56.51`	`BabelOued`	`yes make install`
`21:57.09`	`BabelOued`	`and copy content of image directory to my device`
`21:57.24`	`ljp`	`oh`
`21:57.38`	`ljp`	`did you set -prefix ?`
`21:57.51`	`BabelOued`	`yes, it is good`
`21:57.51`	`ljp`	`and copied it there?`
`21:58.04`	`BabelOued`	`but got Illegal Instruction when start qpe`
`21:58.11`	`BabelOued`	`it read Task.cfg`
`21:58.13`	`ljp`	`bugger`
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`21:59.38`	`BabelOued`	`need perl to run "runqtopia"`
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`22:03.14`	`ljp`	`on a device you need to run your own script, as runqtopia starts qvfb`
`22:03.15`	`ljp`	`:)`
`22:05.34`	`BabelOued`	`i got Illegal error when QtopiaApplication is in my Tasks.cfg`
`22:06.56`	`ljp`	`hmm`
`22:07.17`	`BabelOued`	`if i coment out this line`
`22:08.10`	`BabelOued`	`ok it is this line`
`22:11.47`	`goxboxlive`	`yes it compiled. Now <BabelOued> which line is wrong?`
`22:12.08`	`BabelOued`	`you have an error ?`
`22:12.32`	`goxboxlive`	`No you said that something was wrong`
`22:12.38`	`BabelOued`	`ah`
`22:12.51`	`BabelOued`	`it was a problem with my wireless.h file`
`22:13.05`	`goxboxlive`	`so you have it running now?`
`22:14.31`	`BabelOued`	`not running, but compiled`
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`22:14.40`	`goxboxlive`	`ok, mine too`
`22:14.46`	`BabelOued`	`when i start qpe`
`22:14.56`	`BabelOued`	`got problem`
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`22:27.55`	`BabelOued`	`goxboxlive: it is running on your computer ?`
`22:29.47`	`goxboxlive`	`yes the greenphone starts. But now i have compiled the pxa device, but i dont know wich file to start it with?`
`22:31.28`	`BabelOued`	`goxboxlive: pxa device ? like me ?`
`22:31.33`	`goxboxlive`	`yes`
`22:31.58`	`goxboxlive`	`i have compiled both for pxa and i386 today`
`22:32.37`	`BabelOued`	`i ve copied the content of image directory to destination specify by -prefix on universal image`
`22:32.48`	`BabelOued`	`and start qpe`
`22:33.41`	`goxboxlive`	`ok, i have installed to /opt/qtopia/ on sd card (make install IMAGE=sdcard/opt/Qtopia )`
`22:34.24`	`ljp`	`it will look for it at sdcard/opt/Qtopia`
`22:34.34`	`goxboxlive`	`i get error when loading shared libary libstdc++.so.6`
`22:34.45`	`ljp`	`bugger`
`22:34.56`	`ljp`	`the toolchain cam bring that in`
`22:35.00`	`ljp`	`can`
`22:35.18`	`goxboxlive`	`shouldnt it look for it at opt/Qtopia . I set the -prefix /opt/Qtopia when it configured`
`22:35.38`	`ljp`	`oh ok`
`22:38.34`	`goxboxlive`	`<BabelOued> I have installed it in a bootstrap-image and not a opie-image. Just to have clean install`
`22:40.39`	`BabelOued`	`install it in opie because aalll ibrriee aarlready here`
`22:42.00`	`goxboxlive`	`o, i thought they where installed with qtopia`
`23:12.03`	`goxboxlive`	`<BabelOued> do you have it running yet?`
`23:18.03`	`goxboxlive`	`hmmm illigal instructions`
`23:18.40`	`goxboxlive`	`And it screwes my keyboard layout :-)`
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`23:31.45`	`BabelO`	`oups sorry goxboxlive`
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`23:32.12`	`BabelO`	`i ve used gmake -j 6, it is too much for my computer`
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`23:33.33`	`goxboxlive`	`ok`
`23:33.40`	`goxboxlive`	`i havening real problem to run it`
`23:33.59`	`BabelO`	`which error ?`
`23:36.14`	`goxboxlive`	`i have am struggling with the ./runqpe script`
`23:36.23`	`goxboxlive`	`QPEDIR=/opt/Qtopia/`
`23:36.23`	`goxboxlive`	`depotpath=`
`23:36.30`	`goxboxlive`	`what is depotpatch?`
`23:37.55`	`BabelO`	`and if you only start qpe ?`
`23:38.53`	`goxboxlive`	`then all crash with "illigal instruction"`
`23:39.02`	`BabelO`	`same as me`
`23:39.06`	`goxboxlive`	`and my keybaord gets screwed`
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`23:40.49`	`BabelO`	`what do you have in your qpe.conf ?`
`23:42.51`	`goxboxlive`	`nothing`
`23:49.52`	`goxboxlive`	`root@htcuniversal:~$ ./runqpe`
`23:49.52`	`goxboxlive`	`**********************************************************`
`23:49.52`	`goxboxlive`	`* Qtopia is using HOME=/opt/Qtopia/home`
`23:49.52`	`goxboxlive`	`**********************************************************`
`23:49.52`	`goxboxlive`	`./runqpe: ./runqpe: 88: bin/qpe: not found`
`23:51.03`	`BabelO`	`your path is ok ?`
`23:51.53`	`BabelO`	`HOME=/opt/Qtopia/home not good must be HOME=/opt/Qtopia for you ?`
`23:53.26`	`ljp`	`shouldnt need to set QPEDIR, but HOME you might want to`
`23:55.42`	`ljp`	`also, look in the devices/blah for which ever device configuration you use, there is a keyboard plugin. the defaultbuttons.conf also has a play in keyboard mapping`
`23:56.48`	`goxboxlive`	`The home directory is set by Qtopia`
`23:57.32`	`goxboxlive`	`This is my path: PATH=/opt/Qtopia/:/opt/Qtopia:/opt/Qtopia/bin/:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:`
`23:57.42`	`ljp`	`you can override HOME`
`23:58.00`	`goxboxlive`	`But that isent why it doesnt find qpe`
`23:59.29`	`ljp`	`nope`
`23:59.52`	`BabelO`	`what is command line to specify device framebuffer ?`

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