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| 08:10.57 | rob_w | now its better .. |
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| 10:47.36 | mjones | Hi all, any one willing to give me some pointers, |
| 10:48.13 | mjones | I have booted kernel, but i cant figure out how to start gpe |
| 10:49.11 | mjones | I can log in, either with the built in keyboard, or via windows hyperterminal |
| 10:49.39 | mjones | but i have not had much luck with the usbnet module |
| 10:50.49 | mjones | i am running suse 10, with a windows VM andf I have a cradle and serial connection, I also have a hymalayer, and a |
| 10:51.15 | mjones | and a backpack. and would be willing to provide info if it will help |
| 10:52.02 | mjones | i am just not as good as you guys, so i would need a little help, with whatever you need me to do |
| 10:53.32 | mjones | but I would love to help with hardware details of the backpack |
| 11:04.26 | immolo | mjones, which model are you using |
| 11:09.22 | immolo | oh I see, I should read before writing :P |
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| 11:41.52 | mjones | i have a hymalaya and a blueangel,the bleangel is a 0x6 |
| 11:43.18 | mjones | sorry i can't spell at all,please don't let it reflect on me to much |
| 11:43.45 | mjones | and this new irc client I am using is not helping |
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| 12:55.23 | mjones | On the Blue Angel, howdo I start GPE once I have loged in? |
| 12:55.23 | immolo | mjones, I'm going to grab some dinner |
| 12:55.39 | immolo | use the wiki it will get you booted fine |
| 12:55.44 | immolo | with working gpe |
| 12:55.50 | mjones | okay, I had to log out for a reboot, did I miss anything you said to me? |
| 12:56.08 | immolo | nope |
| 12:57.08 | mjones | have followed several on the wiki, but i always get to log in, then i can't see where i go from there is it supposed to auto boot using the linuxrc file? |
| 13:00.35 | immolo | using all the files the wiki suggests |
| 13:03.13 | mjones | yeah, most recent I have just done the blue Angel tut on handhelds.org, I am booting from an SD card |
| 13:03.31 | mjones | can terminal in using hyperterminal |
| 13:04.17 | mjones | I can see all the files on the device etc. |
| 13:07.20 | mjones | I have not tried nfs yet, as I have not been able to get my PDA to talk to synce, or get my desktop to see it on usb0 |
| 13:12.40 | immolo | mine just booted and loaded gpe |
| 13:13.40 | mjones | you bugger |
| 13:14.08 | mjones | I don't doubt it is something I am doing wrong, I just can't pinpoint what |
| 13:14.47 | mjones | I have a 256 sd card that i have formated 200MB ext3 and 50mb vfat |
| 13:16.25 | mjones | i have tryed loads of files but I have ended up with the files from handhelds.org |
| 13:16.30 | immolo | you only need 30mb of vfat |
| 13:16.43 | mjones | I have extracted the gpe image to the ext3 partition |
| 13:16.46 | immolo | you are using the file gpe-ba.tar.bz2 |
| 13:17.03 | mjones | I have the correct harat, kernel etc. |
| 13:17.54 | immolo | and using the startup.txt |
| 13:17.58 | mjones | yeah |
| 13:18.06 | mjones | i got all that stuff ok |
| 13:18.08 | immolo | should just boot then |
| 13:18.11 | mjones | I can boot and log in |
| 13:18.17 | immolo | with gpe |
| 13:18.18 | mjones | but nothing happens |
| 13:18.35 | mjones | i can direct the output to ttyS0, and see it on pc |
| 13:18.39 | mjones | and lo in that way |
| 13:18.47 | immolo | no gpe-bootsplash? |
| 13:18.51 | mjones | and I also get log in propt on the device screen |
| 13:18.54 | mjones | no |
| 13:19.08 | mjones | no gpe bootsplash |
| 13:19.22 | mjones | it just stops at the log on propt |
| 13:19.46 | mjones | but i can access the file system on the SD card |
| 13:19.46 | immolo | the only thing I can think is you are using the wrong gpe |
| 13:19.54 | mjones | okay |
| 13:20.05 | mjones | is there a current one? |
| 13:20.30 | mjones | i have found alot of broken links actualy |
| 13:20.54 | immolo | http://gnulinux.biz/files/blueangel/sd/linux/gpe-ba.tar.bz |
| 13:22.53 | mjones | okay I will try that, it has the same name as the one I am using, but I will try anything here |
| 13:23.07 | mjones | I am at the same point with my hymalaya |
| 13:23.41 | immolo | been along time since I booted linux on the that device |
| 13:24.59 | mjones | Well I will bet the BA going first |
| 13:25.35 | immolo | k |
| 13:25.56 | immolo | I'm going to play with some more openembedded so let me know what happens |
| 13:26.42 | mjones | okay thanks immolo |
| 13:27.14 | immolo | mjones, no problem I wouldn't wish windows upon anyone |
| 13:28.13 | mjones | windows? |
| 13:28.20 | immolo | nevermind |
| 13:28.24 | mjones | you mean me running it? |
| 13:28.39 | mjones | i am on suse |
| 13:29.03 | mjones | i have a windows VM that I am using for hyperterminal, but thats it |
| 13:29.16 | mjones | rest of network is debian |
| 13:29.41 | mjones | I am stil learning |
| 13:31.04 | mjones | or did you mean openembedded as aposed to windows embedded, and I just made a fool of my seld, defending my credability? |
| 13:31.12 | mjones | self* |
| 13:31.52 | immolo | the second one :P |
| 13:31.59 | mjones | lol |
| 13:32.00 | mjones | ok |
| 13:39.35 | immolo | what happened to the blueangel.conf on the oe dev tree |
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| 15:04.23 | mjones | immolo, I have just booted from the sources you gave me, got to same point, it stops at log on prompt |
| 15:04.56 | mjones | once again I can log in using the built in keyboard, or over serial |
| 15:10.44 | awelux | hikj, can you two somehow find out the revision of |
| 15:10.55 | awelux | a) your devices |
| 15:11.07 | awelux | b) Your windows ce |
| 15:24.38 | awelux | s/hikj/hi/ |
| 15:25.26 | immolo | as in me as well |
| 15:25.36 | awelux | because maybe your devices are slightly different and the usb of mjones device isn't supported yet. |
| 15:26.27 | immolo | he can usb in though |
| 15:26.36 | immolo | gpe isn't autostarting |
| 15:26.44 | awelux | ah. |
| 15:27.19 | awelux | It's odd that the same package behaves different on the very same device. |
| 15:27.23 | immolo | and off the top of my head I can't remember how I used to start gpe before autostart did |
| 15:27.39 | immolo | very much so |
| 15:28.14 | immolo | god montone is so slow |
| 15:28.37 | immolo | I've been down the pub and sobered up and it's still not finished |
| 15:30.21 | awelux | ^^ |
| 15:33.17 | immolo | stilll once it's done it's not too bad |
| 15:50.31 | mjones | sorry been away reading, i have not been able to usb in to the device only serial |
| 15:51.16 | mjones | if any one can point me in the right diretion to start gpe, or better yet explain how it is supposed to work |
| 16:16.57 | immolo | have you setup usb0 to 192.168.0.205 |
| 16:20.24 | mjones | no I have not been using the USB to connect, I am using a serial cable and Windows Hyperterminal to connect to the device, I have not been able to get the usbnet module to detect my device under SuSE 10.0 |
| 16:21.13 | mjones | so I used the wiki, and made my self a serial cable out of the carging adapter, and an old ipaq cradle |
| 16:23.32 | immolo | I never got serial to work |
| 16:23.50 | mjones | vice versa, here |
| 16:24.47 | immolo | can you do an lsmod |
| 16:24.57 | mjones | yeah |
| 16:25.04 | mjones | let me just set it up again |
| 16:25.14 | mjones | what am I looking for? |
| 16:25.39 | immolo | output the content to me |
| 16:26.07 | immolo | the place is asleep so you may as well do it in here |
| 16:29.12 | immolo | oh have just just tried typing /etc/init.d/gpe-dm start on the ba |
| 16:41.14 | mjones | lsmod: |
| 16:41.25 | mjones | # lsmod |
| 16:41.29 | mjones | Module Size Used by |
| 16:41.33 | mjones | g_ether 14048 0 |
| 16:41.37 | mjones | pxa2xx_udc 13764 1 g_ether |
| 16:41.40 | mjones | blueangel_kp 6752 0 |
| 16:41.44 | mjones | himalaya_tsc2200 6252 1 blueangel_kp |
| 16:41.49 | mjones | ssp 6156 1 himalaya_tsc2200 |
| 16:41.53 | mjones | nls_iso8859_1 3904 1 |
| 16:41.57 | mjones | nls_cp437 5568 1 |
| 16:42.01 | mjones | vfat 10368 1 |
| 16:42.03 | immolo | I meant host |
| 16:42.05 | mjones | fat 45788 1 vfat |
| 16:42.09 | mjones | nls_base 6592 4 nls_iso8859_1,nls_cp437,vfat,fat |
| 16:42.10 | mjones | mmc_block 6152 2 |
| 16:42.10 | mjones | asic3_mmc 6708 0 |
| 16:42.10 | mjones | mmc_core 17572 2 mmc_block,asic3_mmc |
| 16:43.03 | mjones | sorry |
| 16:43.22 | immolo | try /etc/init.d/gpe-dm start |
| 16:43.25 | immolo | on the ba |
| 16:45.08 | mjones | gpe-dm not found |
| 16:46.12 | immolo | ok I know the problem |
| 16:46.33 | mjones | okay |
| 16:46.47 | mjones | i dont have the start up script? |
| 16:46.47 | immolo | would you mind formating your sdcard if I take you step by step |
| 16:47.10 | mjones | np, but i am going between machines a bit so bare with me |
| 16:47.24 | mjones | ok so i need to format card firs |
| 16:48.10 | mjones | ok ready |
| 16:48.13 | immolo | yeah 30mb vfat and the rest ext3 |
| 16:48.22 | mjones | ok |
| 16:48.32 | mjones | same as before then, nothing special |
| 16:48.37 | immolo | yep |
| 16:48.44 | mjones | okay |
| 16:49.04 | mjones | got to be 30mb? |
| 16:49.16 | mjones | if so i need to fdisk |
| 16:49.23 | immolo | easier |
| 16:49.27 | mjones | okay |
| 16:50.58 | immolo | do you want linux to autoboot when you put the sdcard in? |
| 16:51.33 | mjones | not right away |
| 16:51.39 | immolo | ok |
| 16:51.56 | immolo | http://gnulinux.biz/files/blueangel/sd/linux/zImage-2.6.12 |
| 16:52.12 | immolo | http://gnulinux.biz/files/blueangel/sd/linux/initrd-2.6.12-hh2.gz |
| 16:52.18 | mjones | got it |
| 16:52.24 | immolo | http://gnulinux.biz/files/blueangel/sd/linux/startup.txt |
| 16:52.32 | immolo | lets just redownlload to make sure |
| 16:52.39 | mjones | btw do i need to set the partition types? if so what is best for vfat? |
| 16:52.48 | mjones | okay |
| 16:52.50 | immolo | 0e i think |
| 16:53.10 | mjones | okay |
| 16:54.28 | immolo | done |
| 16:54.36 | mjones | yeah |
| 16:54.36 | immolo | ? |
| 16:54.45 | mjones | sorry just formating etc |
| 16:54.55 | immolo | ok untar the gpe image on your ext3 partition |
| 16:55.01 | immolo | ok I'll have a fag |
| 16:55.02 | mjones | okay |
| 16:55.34 | immolo | tar xjvpf <file-name> |
| 16:55.45 | immolo | but I'm sure you know how to use tar |
| 16:56.06 | mjones | yeah it is running now |
| 17:02.06 | mjones | are you saying that the initrd is the gpe image? |
| 17:02.20 | immolo | no |
| 17:02.32 | mjones | just checking |
| 17:02.37 | immolo | initrd is a mini linux distro |
| 17:02.50 | immolo | needs to be on the vfat partition |
| 17:03.28 | mjones | yeah I thought so, I just re-read what you said and confused myself |
| 17:04.48 | mjones | i just have to mess around a bit to do all this because my desktop has the serial port etc, and tha laptop has the card reader, so i am swaping from one to the other all the time |
| 17:05.05 | mjones | makes me look busy |
| 17:18.12 | immolo | lol |
| 17:27.12 | mjones | sorry it seems to take an age to write to storage cards |
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| 17:39.21 | immolo | hey rob |
| 17:40.09 | rob_w | hey immolo |
| 17:40.23 | immolo | the answer to your questiob |
| 17:40.28 | immolo | err question |
| 17:40.37 | immolo | my device doesn't suspend :P |
| 17:40.54 | immolo | if I press the power button nothing happens |
| 17:41.03 | immolo | but I've yet to look into it further |
| 17:41.18 | rob_w | what about apm -s ? |
| 17:42.15 | mjones | immolo, gpe just finished extracting |
| 17:42.33 | immolo | rob_w, I'll try on my next boot |
| 17:43.12 | immolo | also is gomunticor alot more updated in cvs then 1.3 |
| 17:43.37 | mjones | do you want me to copyharet, the initrd and the startup.txt to the vfat partition? |
| 17:43.38 | immolo | like contact support and replying to sms |
| 17:43.44 | immolo | yes |
| 17:44.26 | rob_w | yes to the vfat ... |
| 17:44.44 | rob_w | then check the content of the startup.txt and see if it makes sense on your system |
| 17:45.48 | rob_w | phueww i am just back online after my move .. |
| 17:46.00 | immolo | wondered what happened |
| 17:46.53 | mjones | as far as I know the startup.txt is correct, but my understanding is limited |
| 17:47.33 | mjones | ok ready |
| 17:47.39 | mjones | connect to my serial? |
| 17:48.02 | mjones | the startup.txt is not set to out up to serial shall i change it? |
| 17:48.12 | rob_w | yes |
| 17:49.19 | mjones | ok gona try a boot again |
| 17:51.20 | mjones | ohh |
| 17:51.24 | mjones | yay |
| 17:51.42 | mjones | so what was diffrent to the other 10 or so times i did exactly that |
| 17:52.05 | rob_w | what is your outcome now mjones ? |
| 17:52.30 | mjones | well i am looking at the splash screen, which is further than before |
| 17:52.41 | mjones | i saw no gui before |
| 17:52.56 | mjones | still says is is booting |
| 17:53.27 | mjones | however it is not showing me anything on the serical connection to hyperterminal |
| 17:53.50 | mjones | still says booting please wait |
| 17:54.03 | immolo | takes awhille on the first boot |
| 17:54.16 | mjones | some text |
| 17:54.21 | mjones | xserver |
| 17:54.28 | mjones | screen align |
| 17:54.30 | mjones | cool |
| 17:54.37 | mjones | thank you very very much |
| 17:54.43 | immolo | enjoy |
| 17:54.55 | mjones | :) |
| 17:55.19 | mjones | I still don't see what we did diffrently, what did you think my problem was |
| 17:55.44 | mjones | the only thing I can see difrent is a smaller vfat partition |
| 17:55.50 | immolo | something things just work if you start again |
| 17:56.36 | immolo | rob_w, apm -s still doesn't work |
| 17:56.49 | immolo | do you use a config file or the gpe-conf tool? |
| 17:56.51 | mjones | aye |
| 17:57.08 | mjones | wish it had worked the first million times I did it again |
| 17:57.24 | rob_w | immolo, u have blueangel_suspend.ko loaded ? |
| 17:57.36 | immolo | might help |
| 17:57.44 | immolo | why did I forget that |
| 18:02.37 | rob_w | it was not automaticly loaded ... |
| 18:03.18 | immolo | do I need to load any others to get more working features |
| 18:03.40 | immolo | like battery reading support and some doc access |
| 18:09.19 | immolo | stilll nothing with blueangel_suspend loaded |
| 18:11.09 | mjones | how do I properly exit out of gpe, or should I just soft reset? |
| 18:11.34 | immolo | hard reset |
| 18:12.45 | mjones | and it will retain all the data on the sd card, no file system coruption or anything like that? |
| 18:12.53 | immolo | yes |
| 18:13.05 | immolo | well I've had none |
| 18:14.43 | mjones | ok so if I change the device type in the startup.txt, could I boot from the same card on a himalaya? |
| 18:31.52 | rob_w | mjones you use different haret direcory`S to load the different kernels ,, then it is possible to have a rootfs with both working :-) |
| 18:32.20 | mjones | Ok this is quite obviously far better than CE |
| 18:32.35 | mjones | smoother cleaner etc |
| 18:33.00 | mjones | that sounds like a good idea |
| 18:42.18 | rob_w | mjones, what idea exactly ? |
| 18:43.50 | mjones | 2 directorys with diffrent kernels |
| 18:51.31 | rob_w | a htc-gpe-linux ... :-) |
| 18:57.32 | awelux | mjones, either that or two directories with just different startup.txt files and haret. The kernel and initrd can be common. |
| 18:57.54 | awelux | well. the initrd can be common. not the kernel |
| 18:58.07 | awelux | so. yes exactly as you said. |
| 18:58.19 | awelux | <- should read and think before typing |
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| 18:59.57 | cr2 | hi guys |
| 19:00.59 | cr2 | awelux, you must be doing something wrong |
| 19:01.43 | awelux | I've made some progress. |
| 19:01.44 | cr2 | a guy from xda-dev has successfully booted the _raw_ universal image on htc apache |
| 19:01.47 | cr2 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=ApacheProgress |
| 19:01.59 | cr2 | i am speechless now :) |
| 19:02.27 | awelux | It seams like I made a mistake moving the kernel to 0xa0200000 |
| 19:02.37 | awelux | which caused a problem loading the initrd |
| 19:02.44 | cr2 | i'm amazed he has not destroyed anything! |
| 19:02.52 | cr2 | so, does it work now ? |
| 19:03.49 | awelux | I get a different error message |
| 19:03.56 | awelux | Just looking for it |
| 19:04.11 | awelux | couldn't find valid ram disk image starting at 0 |
| 19:05.19 | cr2 | why at 0 ? |
| 19:05.35 | rob_w | cr2, first look at the apache looks like a magician with keyboard |
| 19:06.06 | awelux | no idea yet |
| 19:06.24 | cr2 | it's a US CDMA phone with built-in gps |
| 19:06.45 | awelux | I'm currently trying an unmodified (almost) universal kernel too |
| 19:07.12 | cr2 | actually i have a close zero info about its internals. |
| 19:07.46 | awelux | I tried for 2 weeks to understand the virtual memory management of linux. |
| 19:08.27 | cr2 | that's ok. if you will ask me about some specific things there, i'll have no idea too. |
| 19:09.15 | awelux | It's amaing how many layers of mapping there are in this area. |
| 19:11.30 | rob_w | cr2, it needs a exteranl gps chip to enable a E911 feature .. tsts |
| 19:11.54 | rob_w | or is that already in ? |
| 19:13.05 | cr2 | it's already in. the universal should have it too, but it is not soldered in. |
| 19:13.23 | cr2 | e911. big e911 brother ;) |
| 19:16.19 | rob_w | iwonder if ms did "make a this special software " .. and if there are all specs of the chip available .. |
| 19:17.28 | cr2 | the phone chipset is from qualcomm. the same situation as with the universal. |
| 19:17.40 | cr2 | the gps is combined with the radio. |
| 19:19.09 | rob_w | great |
| 19:21.39 | cr2 | imho, we will reach the critical mass soon. i think htc alpine will work too. hmm. damn that asic5, the same like on himalaya. |
| 19:23.40 | mjones | immolo, rob_w I can't thank you enough, not only have I finaly got linux on my Blue Angel, but I have just got it working on my Himalaya, with the same SD card. not perfect but now I have something to play with. Thank you very much |
| 19:24.39 | rob_w | i was not the major reason for that ... ! be thankfull to many other here and elsewhere |
| 19:24.54 | cr2 | mjones: there are some differences between the ba and hima. |
| 19:25.06 | mjones | oh I know, but thank you non the less |
| 19:25.41 | cr2 | missing the damn asic5 support will not let you run bluetooth... |
| 19:25.46 | mjones | yes I know, I have been reading about this for months |
| 19:25.56 | cr2 | the serial port assignments are different. |
| 19:26.36 | cr2 | does gomunicator work ? |
| 19:28.30 | cr2 | asic5 has PCMCIA part and a serial port. i know where are the "serial" control registers located, but no clue how to use them.who knows, maybe it's a standard UART. |
| 19:29.34 | cr2 | but forget about the BT headset. it's probably too much work. |
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| 19:58.11 | rob_w | tsts this crappy new router from NETGEAR doesnt do the ssh forward properly |
| 19:58.30 | rob_w | and it grabs new ips every few minutes .. tststs |
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| 21:05.01 | awelux | yea. got a few lines further: unable to open initial console |
| 21:13.51 | awelux | hmm. now what? |
| 21:16.08 | cr2 | hmm. |
| 21:16.45 | cr2 | the apache runs with the pxammc, and opie boots. |
| 21:17.45 | awelux | pxammc is the used initrd ? |
| 21:18.16 | awelux | Seams like I introduced a ton of errors with my debug to screen code. |
| 21:18.25 | awelux | It's working better without it. |
| 21:18.56 | awelux | mapping the fb must have messed up the mm somehow. |
| 21:19.22 | awelux | I probably can't open an initial console because I didn't compile in the right devices. |
| 21:19.51 | cr2 | pxammc is the SD controller. |
| 21:30.09 | awelux | Can you compile and run the pxa serial driver? |
| 21:31.10 | awelux | under character devices -> serial drivers ->pxa serial port support ? |
| 21:32.41 | cr2 | yes. with the 3.4.* toolchain, not with 4.* |
| 21:34.45 | awelux | ah. that explains something |
| 21:35.03 | awelux | I use gcc 4.* from crosstools |
| 21:41.14 | cr2 | make a diff with the 2.6.15 version and put a fix into CVS. this issue pops up from time to time. |
| 21:43.13 | awelux | ah. so 2.6.15 works. Thanks. will do. |
| 21:43.14 | awelux | oh |
| 21:43.32 | awelux | btw. is this pxa serial driver part of the normal kernel? |
| 21:48.37 | cr2 | i think yes. 2.6.15 - i mean the hh.org CVS kernel. |
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